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watermock
09-16-2005, 12:47 PM
This is why I like PFT. He tore down M.I. like the overdressed punk he really is.

For a guy who lives in a stained-glass and powdered-mirror palace, Michael Irvin sure loves to toss the boulders.



His most recent target is Packers quarterback Brett Favre, whom Irvin blames for the current predicament facing receiver Javon Walker.



Walker stayed away from the team's entire offseason program in protest of a rookie deal that pays him $515,000 in 2005 and $650,000 in 2006. Based on his 2004 Pro Bowl season (which came on the heels of two average-to-mediocre campaigns), Walker wanted to cash in, hoping to be paid (so we heard) like Randy Moss.



Said Favre in early May, when Walker's intentions became clear: "If Javon wants to know what his quarterback thinks, and I would think he might, I'd tell him he's going about this the wrong way."



Walker eventually showed up for training camp. And in the first game of the regular season, Walker tore an ACL. He's done for 2005, and likely won't see a new contract in Green Bay until he proves in 2006 that he is healthy and still effective.



Irvin blames the whole thing on Favre.



"Now, this is a story here," Irvin said Thursday, according to The Palm Beach Post. "This boy came back into camp because of Brett Favre. The great Brett Favre. This is not some rookie quarterback calling him out when he was asking for his money. This is the great Brett Favre. . . .



"I love Brett, I appreciate Brett," Irvin added. "But Brett should know business is business. You don't mess with another man's business.



"Now, what do you do, Brett? If I'm Brett, how you can walk in the room when you just did surgery to say, 'Hey, man, I'm sorry this has happened?' How could you do it? How could you look that man in his eyes?"



We haven't been, won't be, and never will be Brett Favre sycophants. There are already too many of them out there. But on this point Irvin is way, way off.



The flaw in Irvin's reasoning is that Walker showed up for camp because of Favre's comments. Not true, based on our knowledge of the situation. Walker didn't report because of Brett Favre, but because of the many thousands of dollars Walkers would have lost if he didn't show.



For starters, the Packers would have been able to recover a big chunk of Walker's bonus money if he had breached his contract by not reporting to camp. Likewise, if Walker had failed to report by August 8, he would have lost a year's credit toward free agency. He also would have been susceptible to daily fines.



If the holdout had lasted into the regular season, he would have lost more than $30,000 per week in game checks. And if he'd missed more than 10 regular-season games, Walker's contract would have been tolled for a year.



The other flaw in Irvin's argument is the presumption that the Packers would have caved in and paid Walker if he had held out. The team, however, made it clear that Walker wouldn't get a new contract this year. The fact that Walker didn't hold out suggests that he and his agent found the team's commitment in this regard credible.



So money talks much louder than does Brett Favre or anyone else. It's convenient for those of limited cognitive abilities (inherent and/or chemical-induced) to blame Favre, but we suggest that before Irvin or anyone else points to Brett as the reason for Walker's present twist of fate, they consider the facts.



The facts, of course, don't always fit with the agendas of guys like Irvin, who never lets reality get in the way of yet another chance to draw attention to himself.



And the notion of Irvin criticizing anyone is curious, to say the least. As one high-level league insider opined on Friday morning, "For a guy that has as many skeletons in his closet and past transgressions in life, the guy is awfully opinionated and judgmental about people. . . . [He] represents an angle of the game that is bad for football -- just like him supporting the two idiots that got into a brawl" prior to Monday night's Eagles-Falcons game.



The whole thing makes us wonder why the NFL hasn't pressured ESPN to put a sweat sock in Irvin's stew shoot. Although we like the idea that someone/anyone is willing to actually express opinions other than "Michael Vick is the greatest quarterback ever to play the game," a guy spouting off takes that are misguided and misinformed isn't a good thing.



If the NFL was able to squeeze Bristol's balls into dropping its former show Playmakers, our guess is that the league office eventually will suggest to ESPN that it might want to consider dropping a former playmaker who will only make more trouble if no one calls him out and/or shuts him up.



NFLPA CAVED TO COMPETITION



In response to our report that the NFL Players Association has dropped the premiums for its mandatory liability insurance by $1,000, multiple league sources have advised us that the reduction occurred not because of the complaints from agents, but because of the fact that other insurance companies were ready to offer the same product for less money.



The premiums for the NFLPA policy acquired through AIG started at $3,500 per year. The low end premium is now down to $2,500.



"[R]ival insurance companies were coming in with much better rates and AIG was forced to match them," said one source. "AIG initially thought they were going to have a monopoly on screwing us."



This development suggests that the NFLPA didn't do a very good job of shopping around before trying to shove the policy down the throats of its agents.



As another source said, "The PA continues to look bad and their half-assed approach to developing this program sure reinforces the opinion many have of them."

Garcia Bronco
09-16-2005, 01:06 PM
Not that Irvin isn't a complete dumbass ghettio kid come upon some money...I gotta agree with him...Favre should have kept his trap shut about it.

watermock
09-16-2005, 01:13 PM
It was so sweet to see the Duke walk out holding B2B Lombaries, and the MVP award.

I have always thought Favre was overrated, but applied that to the Fat Man, Madden. Favre is a fine man. He's had some problems, but is overall a fine guy. Favre just wanted a WR under contract to report. He didn't wish an ACL on him!

HE WANTED TO THROW TD'S TO HIM.

His contract is totally irrelevant. It wasn't out of line at all. What else is new in the world of sports? I freaked when Canseco got 3 mill for 3 years. I stopped paying attention at that point.

When they take it off free air I will finally get pissed. (if you call cable free air)

I can handle the stupid ads, they don't bother me all that much. I figure it's the price to pay for 10 dollar six packs.

bronco militia
09-16-2005, 01:16 PM
Not that Irvin isn't a complete dumbass ghettio kid come upon some money...I gotta agree with him...Favre should have kept his trap shut about it.


I agree

DarkHorse30
09-16-2005, 01:17 PM
Not that Irvin isn't a complete dumbass ghettio kid come upon some money...I gotta agree with him...Favre should have kept his trap shut about it.

Agreed, Irvin is a blabbermouth...but he's got a point. Favre has had his turn to grab the ring, anything he says about a teammates contract (or lack of) only hurts the team AND the teammate he is dissing.

watermock
09-16-2005, 01:23 PM
Gee..Favre was out of line to ask Walker to play out his contract? Outrageous!

I don't have any axe to grind with Walker at all, and it's unfortunate. I had a niece-in-law ran over who is a vegetable. Sheat happens.

Fact is, yes, Fave has a fat contract. The MANAGEMENT KNEW IT WHEN THEY MADE IT. So get off his back.

One other thing. You might look to see how much Brett has donated.

DarkHorse30
09-16-2005, 01:37 PM
If football contracts are about business, then consider what you'd do with a co-worker that told you to shut up about asking for a raise?

It was just a stupid comment, IMO. Favre has had his day.....he shouldn't be messing with somebody else's contract business, especially to the press. It's another thing if he really wants Walker on the field (likely) and tells him PRIVATELY that he wants him back so the team can try for another ring.

The injury is completely out of the conversation. If Irvin is blaming Favre for Walker's injury, he probably should run for congress somewhere, where idiocy reigns.

GreatBronco16
09-16-2005, 02:36 PM
While I don't agree with Farve going public about a contract other than his own, how in the hell can Irvin put the blame on Farve? Say GB anted up and paid him? He is still on the IR now and not playing thus not being worth it. He had one good year and a couple so so years. I understand wanting to get paid, but he isn't one of the best, hell not even top 10 or 20.

Any way, Irving really has no room to talk about somebody else, and I wish ESPN would put a sweat sock in his mouth to shut him up.

Cocains a hellofa drug.

ludo21
09-16-2005, 02:47 PM
Gee..Favre was out of line to ask Walker to play out his contract? Outrageous!

I don't have any axe to grind with Walker at all, and it's unfortunate. I had a niece-in-law ran over who is a vegetable. Sheat happens.

Fact is, yes, Fave has a fat contract. The MANAGEMENT KNEW IT WHEN THEY MADE IT. So get off his back.

One other thing. You might look to see how much Brett has donated.


Agreed. Favre is a leader of the Packers team and has every right to tell Javon to get to camp, public or quietly. Forgive Favre for trying to get his guy in camp for a contract that hes already under. It wasnt asking for all that much.


I like the part in the article about Irvin actaully having an opinion tho rather that "Vick is God, over and over again"

Bob's your Information Minister
09-16-2005, 02:51 PM
Mike Irvin actually lives in a very normal house. A high-school buddy of mine lived in the same neighborhood. I've driven by his house a couple times, has a big cowboy star on the lawn.

I do hear the inside is extravagant.

Bronco_Beerslug
09-16-2005, 03:00 PM
Irvin babbles but Favre should have kept his trap shut or offered to make up the difference in Walkers contract if he wanted him there that bad.

Wes Mantooth
09-16-2005, 03:11 PM
Wasn't Javon messing with Farve and everyone elses business though by not being in camp?

Never thought that Javon was good enough to warrant more $$ anyway.

Not that Irvin isn't a complete dumbass ghettio kid come upon some money...I gotta agree with him...Favre should have kept his trap shut about it.

GreatBronco16
09-16-2005, 03:16 PM
Wasn't Javon messing with Farve and everyone elses business though by not being in camp?


Rep!

Bronco_Beerslug
09-16-2005, 04:03 PM
Wasn't Javon messing with Farve and everyone elses business though by not being in camp?

Never thought that Javon was good enough to warrant more $$ anyway.
Not hardly. Favre has already made his millions. The NFL owners promote and accept the "holdout" policy players have to use to secure contracts. 99% of the players in the NFL understand that (and all the owners do) except for a few holier than thou like Favre.

Bronx33
09-16-2005, 04:40 PM
Wasn't Javon messing with Farve and everyone elses business though by not being in camp?

Never thought that Javon was good enough to warrant more $$ anyway.


It's kinda like when somebody doesn't show up for work so you have to cover for them thus making work harder......

Clockwork Orange
09-16-2005, 04:58 PM
Mike Irvin actually lives in a very normal house. A high-school buddy of mine lived in the same neighborhood. I've driven by his house a couple times, has a big cowboy star on the lawn.

I do hear the inside is extravagant.

I don't believe that for one minute. Not the stuff about Irvin, but that you had a buddy in high school.

As for Irvin, I stopped listening to anything that comes out of his piehole when he listed himself as the 2nd greatest WR of all time.

Bronco_Beerslug
09-16-2005, 05:00 PM
It's kinda like when somebody doesn't show up for work so you have to cover for them thus making work harder......

That comparison surely doesn't apply in the NFL where 100 guys for each position are waiting in line!!