Statue Drinks Milk Worldwide Miracle

[GonzoLays]

Does anyone recall on September 21, 1995 the Indian Diety Ganesh, which is a statue of an elephant heads on a man's body, started to drink milk worldwide. The statue, some the size of a G.I. Joe figurine, would drink milk from a teaspoon up to a five gallon bucket. This occured all over the world, including England, the USA, and all over Asia.

For those who do not believe, here is a link to video of it:

http://www.milkmiracle.com/html/miracle.html


What I can't believe is, how little coverage the miracle received. I witnessed this act in PERSON. An Indian family lived in my neighborhood and I was good friends with their son and I went over to their house and watched it happen myself. I brushed off because I was so young, but now that I think about it, does this prove God exists? This happened all over the world.

http://www.milkmiracle.com/assets/images/Milk_Miracle_World_Wide_url_s.jpg

http://www.milkmiracle.com/imgs/Milk_Miracle_Cow_Do_they_Do_url_s.jpg


What do you guys think? I would really like OrangeAthiest's take on this...

[bronco_diesel]

Does anyone recall on September 21, 1995 the Indian Diety Ganesh, which is a statue of an elephant heads on a man's body, started to drink milk worldwide. The statue, some the size of a G.I. Joe figurine, would drink milk from a teaspoon up to a five gallon bucket. This occured all over the world, including England, the USA, and all over Asia.

For those who do not believe, here is a link to video of it:

http://www.milkmiracle.com/html/miracle.html


What I can't believe is, how little coverage the miracle received. I witnessed this act in PERSON. An Indian family lived in my neighborhood and I was good friends with their son and I went over to their house and watched it happen myself. I brushed off because I was so young, but now that I think about it, does this prove God exists? This happened all over the world.

http://www.milkmiracle.com/assets/images/Milk_Miracle_World_Wide_url_s.jpg

http://www.milkmiracle.com/imgs/Milk_Miracle_Cow_Do_they_Do_url_s.jpg


What do you guys think? I would really like OrangeAthiest's take on this...

the proof there is a God is in our existance.

this only provides proof that there is a spritual realm inside this creation.

[epicSocialism4tw]

That video only confirms one thing for me...that's that I love Indian people. Great people.

[GonzoLays]

the proof there is a God is in our existance.

this only provides proof that there is a spritual realm inside this creation.

Could you elaborate?

[GonzoLays]

http://www.milkmiracle.com/assets/images/Milk_Miracle_Udderly_Amazing_url_s.jpg

[Hotrod]

12 They worshiped idols, though the LORD had said, "You shall not do this."

[bronco_diesel]

Could you elaborate?
do you think a creator of the universe would choose to show proof of his existance in a milk drinking idol?

no. his proof is in the creation.

"19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse."

God is also spiritual and has created spiritual beings.

so if this is really happening, and it is not a hoax, then it must spiritually inspired.

[GonzoLays]

12 They worshiped idols, though the LORD had said, "You shall not do this."

Okay, so you quote the Bible. Now, what do you think of a statue drinking milk. A phenemenon that happened all over the world. Somebody made that statue drink, who do you think did it?

[GonzoLays]

And why did this get little to no press in the United States? That is what I can't get over.

[bronco_diesel]

Okay, so you quote the Bible. Now, what do you think of a statue drinking milk. A phenemenon that happened all over the world. Somebody made that statue drink, who do you think did it?

Moses performed signs and wonders. As did the magicians of Pharaoh.
Jesus performed great signs and miracles.
There is no doubt this is a phenom, but the source of where it is coming from is the question.

the God of the Bible, the God that Moses and Jesus gave honor to said not to have idols. I would not thinks this is from Him...

however, your next argument is if the God of the Bible is truly God

[bronco_diesel]

And why did this get little to no press in the United States? That is what I can't get over.
honestly, i think people would chalk it up as crazy talk. i think people would think it belongs in the tabloids...

[GonzoLays]

Moses performed signs and wonders. As did the magicians of Pharaoh.
Jesus performed great signs and miracles.
There is no doubt this is a phenom, but the source of where it is coming from is the question.

the God of the Bible, the God that Moses and Jesus gave honor to said not to have idols. I would not thinks this is from Him...

however, your next argument is if the God of the Bible is truly God

But this wasn't "one person" performing wonders. These were statues all across the world performing the same miracle, drinking milk. Westerners and Easterners saw the same miracle. Who made the statue drink milk?

[epicSocialism4tw]

But this wasn't "one person" performing wonders. These were statues all across the world performing the same miracle, drinking milk. Westerners and Easterners saw the same miracle. Who made the statue drink milk?

Im a skeptic, you've gotta come up with more than that. Even the Catholic church rigorously investigates it's miracles.

[GonzoLays]

honestly, i think people would chalk it up as crazy talk. i think people would think it belongs in the tabloids...

I don't see how this could be attributed to crazy talk as you say. One female white reporter from England fed the statue herself and reported it on TV to English people all across the UK. Same thing happened in LA but only on a smaller TV station there. How could this be crazy talk when there are literally millions of eyewitnesses AND video proof of what happened from believers and non-believers.

[bronco_diesel]

But this wasn't "one person" performing wonders. These were statues all across the world performing the same miracle, drinking milk. Westerners and Easterners saw the same miracle. Who made the statue drink milk?

this does not change that this is spiritually inspired.

if you go off the Bible, this is not from God. This type of phenom is from his fallen angels.

[bronco_diesel]

I don't see how this could be attributed to crazy talk as you say. One female white reporter from England fed the statue herself and reported it on TV to English people all across the UK. Same thing happened in LA but only on a smaller TV station there. How could this be crazy talk when there are literally millions of eyewitnesses AND video proof of what happened from believers and non-believers.

whether it be true or not, seriously, how absurd does it sound?

an idol drinking milk. why milk? why an idol with an elephant head?

it sounds absurd.

[Hotrod]

whether it be true or not, seriously, how absurd does it sound?

an idol drinking milk. why milk? why an idol with an elephant head?

it sounds absurd.

Exactly I just dont see God trying to get everyones attention with a elephant drinking milk. I would be quicker to suspect the local dairy producers ;)

[GonzoLays]

Im a skeptic, you've gotta come up with more than that. Even the Catholic church rigorously investigates it's miracles.

I could see if this happened in one temple in a small city in India. But this happened all ACROSS THE WORLD! And I saw it with my OWN EYES. Nobody can tell me what I did and didn't see and I am not even religous. I was just thinking about that incident today and I looked it up on the Internet and I was amazed at how little the Western Press took to the story.

I wonder why...

[epicSocialism4tw]

whether it be true or not, seriously, how absurd does it sound?

an idol drinking milk. why milk? why an idol with an elephant head?

it sounds absurd.

Yeah...it really does. Why didnt it drink water or grape kool-aid?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Exactly I just dont see God trying to get everyones attention with a elephant drinking milk. I would be quicker to suspect the local dairy producers ;)


Yeah, I saw that money changing hands in the video!

[bronco_diesel]

I could see if this happened in one temple in a small city in India. But this happened all ACROSS THE WORLD! And I saw it with my OWN EYES. Nobody can tell me what I did and didn't see and I am not even religous. I was just thinking about that incident today and I looked it up on the Internet and I was amazed at how little the Western Press took to the story.

I wonder why...

over 500 eye witnesses saw the resurrected body of Christ. thousands saw Christ's miracles. His story has stood the test of time and has converted many many people. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, and millions of people will attest that they have experienced a phenom in their lives that provides proof to his statements. People were being put to death and still are today for following Christ's path - but their faith is not swayed even at the sight of death. Yet, even with all this evidence, many still choose to chalk it up as "crazy talk"

so either this is a credible story and the truth, or they are indeed crazy, as is the milk drinking idol witnesses.

[GonzoLays]

over 500 eye witnesses saw the resurrected body of Christ. thousands saw Christ's miracles. His story has stood the test of time and has converted many many people. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, and millions of people will attest that they have experienced a phenom in their lives that provides proof to his statements. People were being put to death and still are today for following Christ's path. Yet, even with all this evidence, many still choose to chalk it up as "crazy talk"

so either this is a credible story and the truth, or they are indeed crazy, as is the milk drinking idol witnesses.

I think we deny our common sense sometimes when it does not agree with our own worldview. No one can deny this incident happened because as a human being, what more proof could you want to say this miracle happened? You want eyewitnesses, you got millions of them. You want eyewitnesses who are not believers, you got those too. You want video proof, you have it aswell. Did it happen in one city in a far off distant land, no, it happened all across the "civlizied" world as well.

[bronco_diesel]

I think we deny our common sense sometimes when it does not agree with our own worldview. No one can deny this incident happened because as a human being, what more proof could you want to say this miracle happened? You want eyewitnesses, you got millions of them. You want eyewitnesses who are not believers, you got those too. You want video proof, you have it aswell. Did it happen in one city in a far off distant land, no, it happened all across the "civlizied" world as well.

i don't disagree with you. i believed the drinking milk phenom happened. though, i also believe that Christ is the Son of God. the same logic that is used to deny Christ as being the Son of God, is the same logic that denys this milk phenom - it just sounds too far out there from our world view. thus, i concur.

[Hotrod]

I think we deny our common sense sometimes when it does not agree with our own worldview. No one can deny this incident happened because as a human being, what more proof could you want to say this miracle happened? You want eyewitnesses, you got millions of them. You want eyewitnesses who are not believers, you got those too. You want video proof, you have it aswell. Did it happen in one city in a far off distant land, no, it happened all across the "civlizied" world as well.

Not sure I would classify a elephant statue drinking milk as a "miracle" but thats just me.

[GonzoLays]

NEW YORK: Even in cynical, hard-edged New York, the miracle was happening. The milk was actually disappearing. Manisha Lund, a young college student, went to the Hindu temple in Queens, and says it was a virtual stampede. When she offered milk to Lord Ganesha, "It was sucked up, like someone was drinking it with a straw." Many devotees were able to feed Nandi, Lord Siva's mount, and also the Naga or snake. Ganesha seemed to be in a whimsical mood: sometimes He refused the spoonfuls offered by devotees and slurped up that given by non-believers. At the Hindu temple in Flushing, a young African-American woman who is not a Hindu but loves Hindu philosophy wondered aloud whether Siva would accept her offering. She extended her spoon and before the eyes of many worshippers, the milk disappeared into Siva's mouth. Tales of faith and joy were repeated in many homes and offices where devotees offered milk to idols of stone, brass and silver. Young people seemed to have better luck, and delighted in the miracle: Pummy Singh, 14, called Indra, her mother, at work and gave her the exciting news: Ganesha had taken the milk three times from her and her friends. Such was the frenzy that it was hard to gain entrance into the crowded temples, even at 2:00 in the morning. Romanee Kalicharan, 15, reports, "When I tried, Ganesha and Shivji weren't taking, but the Naga took from me. I also gave to Nandi, and He took it from me. Little by little, you see it disappearing. I had my hand underneath, and it was totally dry. So where could the milk go? I think it's a sign from God." Lavina Melwani, New York

CANADA: The phenomenon began following the 7:30 pm puja, Friday and continued unabated until about 11:45 pm Sunday the 24th at the Edmonton Ganesha temple. The atmosphere around the Ganesha murthi was scintillating. Devotees approached, bowed and offered their prayers and a spoonful of milk. They ran the gamut from sari-clad pious elderly ladies supported on either side to gum-chewing teens in black leather jackets. I simply can't explain what happened to the milk. It would visibly "wick" up from the spoon to the surface of the stone of the trunk. Spoonful after spoonful was absorbed, sometimes as quickly as one could count to three, usually in 20 seconds. At the conservative rate of two teaspoons per minute for 51.5 hours (milk was offered continuously), some 7.7 US gallons of milk were taken up. I could see no significant amount of milk around the Ganesha murthi. Of course, with the number of devotees and dripping spoons, Ganesha's garments became wet on the same side as his trunk, but this didn't begin to account for the volume of milk offered. I was forced to conclude that we were all witnessing something that we could not logically explain. Aran Veylan, Edmonton

LOS ANGELES: "One of the devotees received a phone call from India about the miracle," recalls Bharat Shastri, priest of the Hindu temple in Norwalk. By evening he had received 600 phone calls. There was a general air of skepticism here and at other temples in Los Angeles. Only a few devotees had their milk offerings taken by Ganesha at Norwalk. Nothing extraordinary happened at the Sri Venkateshwara Temple in Calabasas, where milk was offered only by the priests. At the Chatsworth temple, the miracle seemed to have happened big time. "On Thursday morning, temple president Dinesh Lakhanpal offered milk. It disappeared. Then I offered more, and that too disappeared," said Ravi Sharan, vice president of the temple. CNN and local TV channels came and the miracle reportedly happened for them. "One reporter, Sharon Tae of Channel 5, was so excited she hugged me with tears in her eyes," said Sharan. Archana Dongre, Los Angeles

[bronco_diesel]

Not sure I would classify a elephant statue drinking milk as a "miracle" but thats just me.

true. a miracle would be raising a girl from the dead, or an old man. returning sight to the blind. parting the red sea or raising from the dead after a brutal death.

[epicSocialism4tw]

true. a miracle would be raising a girl from the dead, or an old man. returning sight to the blind. parting the red sea or raising from the dead after a brutal death.

Must spread rep before giving it to Bronco _Diesel again!

[GonzoLays]

Not sure I would classify a elephant statue drinking milk as a "miracle" but thats just me.

When the statue is of a particular religion, then you must use your own common sense in the matter. It isn't a statue of John Elway drinking milk. Keep in mind Hinduism is one of the world's oldest religions, so it has survived the test of time as well.

[GonzoLays]

true. a miracle would be raising a girl from the dead, or an old man. returning sight to the blind. parting the red sea or raising from the dead after a brutal death.

The only difference between the two events is that there is ACTUAL EVIDENCE of this miracle happening. There is only a book to say that those events actually occured. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but there is a difference.

And I don't understand when you say this isn't a miracle: A Hindu statue drinks milk across the world with million of eyewitnesses. What more can God do besides come down himself and tap you on the shoulder and say hello?

[bronco_diesel]

When the statue is of a particular religion, then you must use your own common sense in the matter. It isn't a statue of John Elway drinking milk. Keep in mind Hinduism is one of the world's oldest religions, so it has survived the test of time as well.

Gonzo,

question for you:

Do you believe the God of this world, the creator of the universe would use an idol with an elephant head drinking milk without explanation, to speak to His cause?

or

Do you think that God would utilize a man who He called his son showing many miraculous signs: healed the sick, feeding the hungry, sight to the blind, raising the dead, and ultimatly raised Himself from the dead to show His purpose?

You obviously are not denying the idea of miraculous signs...it might behoov you to study the reason behind the two.

[bronco_diesel]

The only difference between the two events is that there is ACTUAL EVIDENCE of this miracle happening. There is only a book to say that those events actually occured. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but there is a difference.

And I don't understand when you say this isn't a miracle: A Hindu statue drinks milk across the world with million of eyewitnesses. What more can God do besides come down himself and tap you on the shoulder and say hello?

what will the actual evidence be...say in 2000 years? do you think people will even remember this event? heck, not many have given it attention today, yet people are still talking about the resurrection of Christ. whats more credbile?

[GonzoLays]

Gonzo,

question for you:

Do you believe the God of this world, the creator of the universe would use an idol with an elephant head drinking milk without explanation, to speak to His cause?

or

Do you think that God would utilize a man who He called his son showing many miraculous signs: healed the sick, feeding the hungry, sight to the blind, raising the dead, and ultimatly raised Himself from the dead to show His purpose?

You obviously are not denying the idea of miraculous signs...it might behoov you to study the reason behind the two.

I personally think there is One God and there are many different paths to HIM. I will not deny my common sense when it comes to matters such as this. That is like me denying, oh take for example, pictures of Jesus Christ bleeding all across the world at the same time, because I don't follow that religion. That would be stupid. At the same time, there have been numerous instances where statues of the Virgin Mary have shed tears. If I am a Hindu or a Muslim, and there is evidence of the Virgin Mary shedding tears, should I deny them?

[bronco_diesel]

I personally think there is One God and there are many different paths to HIM. I will not deny my common sense when it comes to matters such as this. That is like me denying, oh take for example, pictures of Jesus Christ bleeding all across the world at the same time, because I don't follow that religion. That would be stupid. At the same time, there have been numerous instances where statues of the Virgin Mary have shed tears. If I am a Hindu or a Muslim, and there is evidence of the Virgin Mary shedding tears, should I deny them?

so you are saying we have a God that will allow us to make him into whatever we want? do you not think a divine creator would rather you know him personally and have absolutely no confusion as to who He is and what He wants from you, and what He stands for?

each and every person has a very unique identidy. each of us just want people to know who we are and accept us for what we are. if we are a creation in the image of our creator, i would think He has a very unique image too, and it may possibly be an insult to Him if we try to make Him fit the mold we want Him to. perhaps we should stop trying to make the God we want, and accept the God who is.

only Christianity makes such claimes as to greatly identify who God is to the point that he did become human to save us from the destruction before us. That my friend, is love.

many will argue this over and over...but we argue in the light of what we want to believe.

[bronco_diesel]

i gotta jet. if i don't respond, it's because i have to go to a wedding.
have a good weekend!

[epicSocialism4tw]

what will the actual evidence be...say in 2000 years? do you think people will even remember this event? heck, not many have given it attention today, yet people are still talking about the resurrection of Christ. whats more credbile?

You beat me to it. People are still talking about Jesus.

[GonzoLays]

what will the actual evidence be...say in 2000 years? do you think people will even remember this event? heck, not many have given it attention today, yet people are still talking about the resurrection of Christ. whats more credbile?

You also have to remember that Christianity was forced upon thousands of people during its inception. You cannot deny this.

Just because the western media does not pick this up and make it a headline like Scott Peterson or Michael Jackson, does not make it any less credible.

You are saying what is written in a book is more credible than what you have witnessed with your own eyes. Once again, it goes back to your worldview and what you want to believe.

[Rohirrim]

Blessed are the cheesemakers!

And not just the cheesemakers, but dairy workers in general.

[enjolras]

the proof there is a God is in our existance.

Hah.. our very existence proves the existence of god? Unfortunately, our existence is proof of nothing but our existence. That statement is nothing more than a fallacy.

As to the elephant thing:

http://www.imsc.res.in/~jayaram/Articles/milkb.html


If your looking to validate the existence of god, I would tend to look farther than a statue drinking milk.

[orangeatheist]

Three things:

1.) I'm flattered that my opinion was requested.

2.) Someone else already mentioned something I was thinking while I watched the video of the "Miracle Milk Drinking": If there is a god (or gods), the best this ****er can do is have a statue drink milk while millions lie dying of incurable diseases and malnutrition? Screw this god if this is the kind of sick pleasure it derives from playing parlor tricks on its creations.

3.) Someone else already posted a link to the refutation of the "miracle."

Keep on that look-out for "god"! When the Sahara turns instantly into a fertile land-o-plenty and disease and malnutrition instantly vanish from the planet, let me know. Then inform me which god is taking credit for these miracles so I know where to send my check.

[GonzoLays]

Hah.. our very existence proves the existence of god? Unfortunately, our existence is proof of nothing but our existence. That statement is nothing more than a fallacy.

As to the elephant thing:

http://www.imsc.res.in/~jayaram/Articles/milkb.html


If your looking to validate the existence of god, I would tend to look farther than a statue drinking milk.


As I have stated before, I witnessed the miracle FIRST HAND, so therefore the article you provided a link to means nothing. And secondly, I don't believe it is "science" when you blame the action on capillary action or mass hysteria. Its not rational to even think that is remotely close to science. "No, you did not see what you saw. Even though there was no milk on the ground, on the side, or under the statue. You are experiencing mass hysteria. You and the rest of the hundred thousands people who saw it." Right

[GonzoLays]

Three things:

1.) I'm flattered that my opinion was requested.

2.) Someone else already mentioned something I was thinking while I watched the video of the "Miracle Milk Drinking": If there is a god (or gods), the best this ****er can do is have a statue drink milk while millions lie dying of incurable diseases and malnutrition? Screw this god if this is the kind of sick pleasure it derives from playing parlor tricks on its creations.

3.) Someone else already posted a link to the refutation of the "miracle."

Keep on that look-out for "god"! When the Sahara turns instantly into a fertile land-o-plenty and disease and malnutrition instantly vanish from the planet, let me know. Then inform me which god is taking credit for these miracles so I know where to send my check.

But you cannot deny that it happened. What do you think caused it? You have all the evidence in the world something abnormal happened, whether you believe in God is secondary on this one, OrangeAthiest.

[TheDave]

I call hoax/BS...

[W*GS]

The whole thing is silly.

What's next? A thread based on "Weekly World News" detailing the latest exploits of Bat Boy?

[kappys]

1) Not good evidence for a hoax since it happened in many temples across the world, at the same time, and has not happened before or since. Some of the events probably were hoaxes, but most were not. Capillary action is the worst excuse for a scientific reason that I've ever heard. If it is true then why such a singular event?

2) Why the hell should God come and make this a paradise for you? What did you do to deserve this? You are approaching this from an entirely Christian viewpoint re: what is a miracle. To Hindus this world is far from heaven, and is meant to be a place of suffering. True happiness comes via rejection of of a materialistic garden of eden image.

3) Drinking the milk is an act of love. What greater than knowing that your devotions to God are accepted by him?

[GonzoLays]

The whole thing is silly.

What's next? A thread based on "Weekly World News" detailing the latest exploits of Bat Boy?

Stupid.

Once again Wigs, you add nothing to the discussion.

[DBruleU]

Stupid.

Once again Wigs, you add nothing to the discussion.

ha, cause there is nothing to add. It's all been said so far. Diesel has said everything that needs to be said about it. If you wanna put your faith in some sorta milk drinking statue go for it. I'll put my faith in a man who died so I may know him.

Things like this statue are used by Satan to drive us away from the truth of Jesus Christ, and he does a darn good job at it.

[Arkie]

I remember when this happened on Septemeber 21, 1995. I put a teaspoon of milk up to my John Elway figurine, and, sure enough, it slowly disappeared! I don't know how to explain it. It was a true milkacle!

[DBruleU]

I remember when this happened on Septemeber 21, 1995. I put a teaspoon of milk up to my John Elway figurine, and, sure enough, it slowly disappeared! I don't know how to explain it. It was a true milkacle!


:laugh: LOL "milkacle"

[TheDave]

Things like this statue are used by Satan to drive us away from the truth of Jesus Christ, and he does a darn good job at it.

Same thing applies here... If all Satan has is some milk drinking idols he better start recruiting some new talent!

[TheDave]

Stupid.

Once again Wigs, you add nothing to the discussion.

Worshiping milk drinking idols seems to have made you a bit tense...

[DBruleU]

And what evidence do you have that Jesus Christ died for your sins? None, but you believe nonetheless.

You follow a book that was written atleast 40 years after his death. Forty years is a loooooong time for someone to write about God walking on Earth don't you think?

Not really.Can take many years to write anything. The evidence he died for my sins is in the Bible. I'll believe it because I have experienced him in my life. You dont walk by sight, you walk by faith, and without faith, you have nothing. What would I even lose if I found out it was all a lie? Nothing. But when I see that its true, I have gained everything. Eternity is a loooong time. I would rather spend it with Jesus in heaven, than in a fiery pit of hell.

[GonzoLays]

Not really.Can take many years to write anything. The evidence he died for my sins is in the Bible. I'll believe it because I have experienced him in my life. You dont walk by sight, you walk by faith, and without faith, you have nothing. What would I even lose if I found out it was all a lie? Nothing. But when I see that its true, I have gained everything. Eternity is a loooong time. I would rather spend it with Jesus in heaven, than in a fiery pit of hell.


But you believe blindly in what another man has written, and considering there is no actual evidence that Jesus rised from the dead, it is quite hard to build a religion around it.

[DBruleU]

But you believe blindly in what another man has written, and considering there is no actual evidence that Jesus rised from the dead, it is quite hard to build a religion around it.

That is what Im talking about when I say faith. You have to have it. You need to experience Jesus in your life, and until you do, theres not much more I can say to you to get you to understand. Hundreds of people saw Jesus cricified and then risen from the dead. The gospels in the Bible all say the same thing (in their own words), and they didnt write those books together. Christianity has been going strong for thousands of years, with people all over the world. And I find it funny that its the only religion that puts people on edge. Why do people get so worked up over God? Why dont you say "allah", instead of "Jesus", when you use his name in vain. Why is the christian faith so widely condemned all over the world, but other religions arent. We live on a planet that God doesnt control. Satan is called the prince of this world. And hes gonna use wahetver he can to draw our attention away from Jesus, and onto to false religions.

I would much rather believe in a Man who loved us so much, he gave his own life for us. Rather than some silly idol that can drink milk. There is absolutely nothing to lose when you trust God with your life, and give it to him. But you have everything to lose if you dont. Seems like an easy decision.

[DBruleU]

But you believe blindly in what another man has written, and considering there is no actual evidence that Jesus rised from the dead, it is quite hard to build a religion around it.

Actually. Mark, which was the first gospel written after Jesus' life on earth, was written about 2 years after his life on earth. Then followed the rest of the gospels. All were written on eye witness accounts. None of them contridicted eachother either. It's like these men witnessing a car accident and telling it like they saw it in their own eyes.

[TheDave]

Actually. Mark, which was the first gospel written after Jesus' life on earth, was written about 2 years after his life on earth. Then followed the rest of the gospels. All were written on eye witness accounts. None of them contridicted eachother either. It's like these men witnessing a car accident and telling it like they saw it in their own eyes.

According to everything i have read they were written after 70 A.D. which would put them a whole generation after the events...


Matthew: c. 70–100 as the majority view, with conservative scholars arguing for a pre-70 date, particularly if they do not accept Mark as the first gospel written.
Mark: c. 68–73
Luke: c. 80–100, with most arguing for somewhere around 85
John: c. 90–110. Brown does not give a consensus view for John, but these are dates as propounded by C K Barrett, among others. The majority view is that it was written in stages, so there was no one date of composition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel


http://www.bibleresourcecenter.org/vsItemDisplay.dsp&objectID=C5F6CC5C-D05D-4F72-A225E7304C35FDA7&method=display

[orangeatheist]

But you cannot deny that it happened. What do you think caused it?

I do not deny at all that it happened. Just as I do not deny that someone who had cancer go into remission claims that it was the will of Allah that did it. The fact is, some event occurred. You chose to believe Ganesh drank milk through some porous statue. Someone else chooses to believe Allah cured cancer. Someone else believes that aliens are the source of the pimples on their butt. I do not dispute that statues appear to drink milk. I don't dispute that someone's cancer went into remission after an infidel's head was cut off in the name of Allah. I don't dispute that someone's has pimples on their ass. However, I don't have to subscribe to the particular "theories" that certain people propose for these facts.

What do I think happened? I think the article debunking the "miracle" gives us the answer. You say you "saw" it occur with your own eyes. So, tell me: What kind of statue was it? Of what material was it composed? How large was it? Upon what was it standing? How much milk did it "drink"? Can you gain access to that statue again and check for cracks in the surface? Can you perform the feat again, this time with the statue observably dry, standing in a shallow pie plate? Can you give it at least an 8 oz glass of milk and have none of it pool in the plate and none of it seen visibly on the surface of the statue? Can you perform the "miracle" on a soild statue? One made of some metalic substance like aluminum?



You have all the evidence in the world something abnormal happened, whether you believe in God is secondary on this one, OrangeAthiest.

There are plenty of discarded eyeglasses and crutches at Lourdes, too, Gonz. What do you think I should do with this information? Noting, particularly, that there have never been found any empty caskets there.

[orangeatheist]

That is what Im talking about when I say faith.

And this statement ends all such discussions regarding the "rationality" of a given "miracle." DB has "faith" that a man rose from the dead. His witness is the Bible. Gonz has "faith" that a statue can drink milk. His witness is having seen the feat occur before his own eyes. When you invoke "faith" as the basis of your argument, there is no sense asking a skeptic to have a rational discussion with you. Faith and reason don't mix.

[orangeatheist]

According to everything i have read they were written after 70 A.D. which would put them a whole generation after the events...


Matthew: c. 70–100 as the majority view, with conservative scholars arguing for a pre-70 date, particularly if they do not accept Mark as the first gospel written.
Mark: c. 68–73
Luke: c. 80–100, with most arguing for somewhere around 85
John: c. 90–110. Brown does not give a consensus view for John, but these are dates as propounded by C K Barrett, among others. The majority view is that it was written in stages, so there was no one date of composition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel


http://www.bibleresourcecenter.org/vsItemDisplay.dsp&objectID=C5F6CC5C-D05D-4F72-A225E7304C35FDA7&method=display

Bingo

[GonzoLays]

Why is it that for the thousands of years before September 21, 1995 and the six and a half years after has this miracle not repeated itself? If it was attributed to capillary action alone, then this should tale place today as well. But it doesn't. If you try to feed a Ganesh idol with milk today, it will not absorb it. Please explain this first and then doubt later.

[enjolras]

Bingo

Not to mention the fact that the bible wasn't cannonized until the 4th century. Meaning it was almost 300 years between the death of christ and the bible, more or less as we know it today, to be brought together. With so few original texts in modern possesion, its hard to know what edits had been made during that period.

[enjolras]

Why is it that for the thousands of years before September 21, 1995 and the six and a half years after has this miracle not repeated itself? If it was attributed to capillary action alone, then this should tale place today as well. But it doesn't. If you try to feed a Ganesh idol with milk today, it will not absorb it. Please explain this first and then doubt later.

I would very much like proof of this. I don't have a Ganesh idol sitting around, but I simply don't beleive it. I think I'll put together an experiment to test exactly that at some point... after all, as part of my undergraduate studies in fluid dynamics we did some experiments that CLOSELY resemble the 'milk drinking miracle' to show the effects of surface tension and capillary action...

[GonzoLays]

I do not deny at all that it happened. Just as I do not deny that someone who had cancer go into remission claims that it was the will of Allah that did it. The fact is, some event occurred. You chose to believe Ganesh drank milk through some porous statue. Someone else chooses to believe Allah cured cancer. Someone else believes that aliens are the source of the pimples on their butt. I do not dispute that statues appear to drink milk. I don't dispute that someone's cancer went into remission after an infidel's head was cut off in the name of Allah. I don't dispute that someone's has pimples on their ass. However, I don't have to subscribe to the particular "theories" that certain people propose for these facts.

What do I think happened? I think the article debunking the "miracle" gives us the answer. You say you "saw" it occur with your own eyes. So, tell me: What kind of statue was it? Of what material was it composed? How large was it? Upon what was it standing? How much milk did it "drink"? Can you gain access to that statue again and check for cracks in the surface? Can you perform the feat again, this time with the statue observably dry, standing in a shallow pie plate? Can you give it at least an 8 oz glass of milk and have none of it pool in the plate and none of it seen visibly on the surface of the statue? Can you perform the "miracle" on a soild statue? One made of some metalic substance like aluminum?







The statue was no more than 4 inches tall and 3 inches wide. It was made of metal, of which kind I am unsure, but lets say if you dropped it from a three story window onto the concrete it wouldn't break. I witnessed two different people, one my mother and the mother of my friend, feed the statue with a teaspoon of milk and both times the milk evaporated. They did not pour the milk on the statue, they simple put the teaspoon of milk underneath the trunk and it vanished.

Once again OrangeAthiest, I am not a religious person. I do not attend church, I do not pray everyday and I am a very very skeptical person. All I can tell you is one, I witnessed this event with my own two eyes and I wasn't the only person to see this.

[GonzoLays]

I would very much like proof of this. I don't have a Ganesh idol sitting around, but I simply don't beleive it. I think I'll put together an experiment to test exactly that at some point... after all, as part of my undergraduate studies in fluid dynamics we did some experiments that CLOSELY resemble the 'milk drinking miracle' to show the effects of surface tension and capillary action...

Please watch the VIDEO of the link that I posted with my first post. Then, PLEASE perform the experiment and POST THE VIDEO ON THE INTERNET SO EVERYONE CAN SEE SCIENCE TAKE CARE OF IT.

[GonzoLays]

Naturally there are skeptics-10% of Hindus, according to our very unscientific poll, all of whom moved swiftly to distance themselves from the phenomenon. "Capillary action," coupled with "mass hysteria" is the correct explanation, concluded many scientists within a few hours. Aparna Chattopadhyay of New Delhi replied to these scoffers in a letter to the Hindustan Times: "I am a senior scientist of the Indian Agriculture Research Institute, New Delhi. I found my offerings of milk in a temple being mysteriously drunk by the deities. How can the scientists explain the copper snake absorbing the milk I offered with a spoon kept at a good distance away from it?" Scientific or not, gallons of milk were disappearing with hardly a trace. A leading barrister in Malaysia was dumfounded when he watched a metal Ganesha attached to an automobile dashboard absorb six teaspoons of milk. In Nepal King Birendra himself made offerings to the God. Deities in Kenya and other countries took gallons of milk while sitting in shallow metal trays with no drains.

[bronco_diesel]

Same thing applies here... If all Satan has is some milk drinking idols he better start recruiting some new talent!

Dave, with all due repsect, this is a rather short sighted view.

satan using a drinking idol is nothing more than mockery on top of all the other deceptions he has put in place.

[TheDave]

Dave, with all due repsect, this is a rather short sighted view.

satan using a drinking idol is nothing more than mockery on top of all the other deceptions he has put in place.

much more of a sarcastic remark than anything else... My personal opinion is if Satan has the power to enter our universe or plain (however you want to look at it) and the best he can do is physically make a stone idol drink milk, well, I'm not too impressed with the evil one. Honestly i barely understand todays religious view point on God let alone the devil. But again if he has the ability to perform physical acts in front of our eyes, I would think there would be alot more he could/should do to push his agenda... if that makes me short sighted, so be it.

[orangeatheist]

Please watch the VIDEO of the link that I posted with my first post. Then, PLEASE perform the experiment and POST THE VIDEO ON THE INTERNET SO EVERYONE CAN SEE SCIENCE TAKE CARE OF IT.

The trouble, Gonz, is we don't have access to the same idol you witnessed nor the same circumstances in which the "miracle" was peformed. So the experiment cannot be duplicated.

I tell you what. I have a statue of another Hindu deity at home. Made of brass, I think. It is only a couple of inches high. What do you think will happen if I "feed" this statue some milk tonight?

Let me put the shoe on the other foot for a moment and hope you'll indulge me: What do YOU think is happening/happened with these statues? The claim is that now the "miracle" can't occur any longer, right? Why has the phenomenon stopped? What was happening that allowed the "miracle" to occur? What do you think happened that night? Did a deity really drink milk thru the statue? What's your take? Can you get ahold of that statue and have your mom and mom's friend feed it some milk again?

[BroncoInferno]

whether it be true or not, seriously, how absurd does it sound?

an idol drinking milk. why milk? why an idol with an elephant head?

it sounds absurd.

No more absurd than believing a virgin got pregnant and gave birth to God on earth.

In never ceases to amaze me how so many religious people (though not all) find their own absurd view point to be perfectly reasonable, but put their 'logic hats' back on when it's the absurd belief of another.

[orangeatheist]

No more absurd than believing a virgin got pregnant and gave birth to God on earth.

In never ceases to amaze me how so many religious people (though not all) find their own absurd view point to be perfectly reasonable, but put their 'logic hats' back on when it's the absurd belief of another.

Welcome to my world! Everyone's an atheist....toward someone else's god! :laugh:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You need to experience Jesus in your life, and until you do, theres not much more I can say to you to get you to understand.

You could just as easily say "you need to experience Elmer Fudd in your life."

Both are purely subjective claims.

And what you're "experiencing" is your own perception or understanding of Jesus as a historical or mythic figure (which may not be the same as other people's experiences.)

Christianity has been going strong for thousands of years, with people all over the world. And I find it funny that its the only religion that puts people on edge.

???

Surely you're not suggesting that Islam doesn't put the average evangelical/fundamentalist Christian "on edge?"

And if Christianity is the only religion that "puts people on edge," then how do explain the crusades?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Welcome to my world! Everyone's an atheist....toward someone else's god! :laugh:

Not every religion is theistic.

I'm an atheist, but I believe in God.

[GonzoLays]

The trouble, Gonz, is we don't have access to the same idol you witnessed nor the same circumstances in which the "miracle" was peformed. So the experiment cannot be duplicated.

I tell you what. I have a statue of another Hindu deity at home. Made of brass, I think. It is only a couple of inches high. What do you think will happen if I "feed" this statue some milk tonight?

Let me put the shoe on the other foot for a moment and hope you'll indulge me: What do YOU think is happening/happened with these statues? The claim is that now the "miracle" can't occur any longer, right? Why has the phenomenon stopped? What was happening that allowed the "miracle" to occur? What do you think happened that night? Did a deity really drink milk thru the statue? What's your take? Can you get ahold of that statue and have your mom and mom's friend feed it some milk again?


They tried to feed that exact same statue for YEARS after that day and it never took any offering again. The thing is, it just didn't happen to that particular statue in my town, but everywhere across the world.

I honestly don't know what to make of it. I have read where some people say that it signifies that a great soul has been born into this world. Others say it is to show us that God is real and that he can do anything, like make a statue drink milk.

I think Kappy touched on this earlier, Hindus have a very different view of this world than other religions. Their holy book, the Bhagavad-Gita, which was written some six thousand years ago talks about this world, the material world. In essence, they describe this world as a world of misery and preoccupation with material possessions that you cannot take with you when you die. The book goes on to say your lot in this life is determined by how you acted in your previous life. It tells you why some people are successful, while other are mired in poverty. Why some have all the luck while other can't catch a break. Why some people are more intelligent than others and so forth.

I for one don't have an answer for WHY the statue drunk the milk, but once again, all I can say is that I saw it occur with my own two eyes and it happened all across the world. Scientists have no explanation for why occurred so they it was capillary action that happened simultaneously all across the world on the same day. No scientist can explain what happened at friend's mother house that day. We are talking about an inanimate object here, not a plant. Where is the tissue necessary for the molecules to move up or down on? Where are the tubes for the molecules to travel? That is why I get upset with these scientists coming out and saying,"oh yes, it is capillary action, everyone move on now, you saw nothing." That is not science, if it science, prove it.

And to those who call it a hoax, make a statue drink something and come back and say you did it. People act like nothing happened here, but when it did. There is video evidence for God's sake !(pun intended)

[orangeatheist]

They tried to feed that exact same statue for YEARS after that day and it never took any offering again.

Perhaps you didn't know the "trick." You did say that it was not you who performed the milk-feeding during the "miracle," but your mom and your mom's friend, right?


The thing is, it just didn't happen to that particular statue in my town, but everywhere across the world.

Or so they say.


I honestly don't know what to make of it. I have read where some people say that it signifies that a great soul has been born into this world.

That implies that something called a "soul" really exists. I don't buy that particular explanation.


Others say it is to show us that God is real and that he can do anything, like make a statue drink milk.

Which is horribly insultive, in my opinion.


I think Kappy touched on this earlier, Hindus have a very different view of this world than other religions. Their holy book, the Bhagavad-Gita, which was written some six thousand years ago talks about this world, the material world. In essence, they describe this world as a world of misery and preoccupation with material possessions that you cannot take with you when you die.

Can't argue with that!


The book goes on to say your lot in this life is determined by how you acted in your previous life.

Yes, I know. I studied Eastern Religions briefly in college. This concept assumes reincarnation. That's another doctrine without benefit of proof.


It tells you why some people are successful, while other are mired in poverty. Why some have all the luck while other can't catch a break. Why some people are more intelligent than others and so forth.

Sure. It sounds good. And I used to buy into such ideas in the 80's during my "New Age" phase. I used that idea to explain why my brother was born deaf. I thought it was probably because he had "turned a deaf ear" to people in a previous life and that now he was learning what it was really like not to hear people (reincarnation lends itself to great irony). I don't believe this anymore.


I for one don't have an answer for WHY the statue drunk the milk, but once again, all I can say is that I saw it occur with my own two eyes and it happened all across the world.

And, again, I have NO DOUBT that what you saw was the appearance of a statue "drinking" milk. When I was about 8 years old I "saw" Dracula in my bedroom window, right before I went to bed. I can still see the image vividly in my mind's eye. It was crystal clear and unmistakable. But, seriously, did I really see Dracula? Did you really see a statue drink milk? And I don't mean you were hallucinating but that what appeared to be "drinking" was really something else. I'm no more willing to grant the existence of Dracula than I am willing to grant the existence of a supernatural being(s) who makes statues drink milk.


Scientists have no explanation for why occurred so they it was capillary action that happened simultaneously all across the world on the same day. No scientist can explain what happened at friend's mother house that day.

That's not true. You just gave the scientific answer yourself. It just that you don't accept it which is, of course, your prerogative.


We are talking about an inanimate object here, not a plant. Where is the tissue necessary for the molecules to move up or down on? Where are the tubes for the molecules to travel? That is why I get upset with these scientists coming out and saying,"oh yes, it is capillary action, everyone move on now, you saw nothing." That is not science, if it science, prove it.

And if its a supernatural phenomenon, prove that. I tell you what: I have a statue at home of a diety (actually quite a few such statues. I collect them) and I will try the experiment when I get home tonight (if I remember). I'll report back tomorrow. Maybe I can even use my digital camera to take a brief avi of my findings and I'll post it here as well.


And to those who call it a hoax, make a statue drink something and come back and say you did it. People act like nothing happened here, but when it did. There is video evidence for God's sake !(pun intended)

That's exactly what I'll do. I'll bring you my report tomorrow (barring Alzheimer's).

EDIT TO ADD:

By the way, Gonz; can you tell me as closely as you can remember the circumstances surrounding your witness of the miracle? Was it hot or cold? Room temperature? Upon what did the statue sit? Kitchen table? Plate? Towel? Altar with flowers? What kind of statue was it? Was it Ganesh? Or another deity? Anything you can remember will be very helpful.

[GonzoLays]

Room temp : 70 degrees ; Statue sat on a wood table ; No flowers ; A metal statue that most likely was iron ; Statue was Ganesh ; Occured around 3:00 in the afternoon ; The room had plenty of light ; I stood right beside both ladies with a clear view of each instance ; They put the spoon directly underneath the trunk of the statue, they did not "force feed" or tilt the spoon to feed the diety; The spoon DID NOT touch the trunk, it was atleast 3 centimeters away; No angle to spoon ;

[orangeatheist]

Room temp : 70 degrees ; Statue sat on a wood table ; No flowers ; A metal statue that most likely was iron ; Statue was Ganesh ; Occured around 3:00 in the afternoon ; The room had plenty of light ; I stood right beside both ladies with a clear view of each instance ; They put the spoon directly underneath the trunk of the statue, they did not "force feed" or tilt the spoon to feed the diety; The spoon DID NOT touch the trunk, it was atleast 3 centimeters away; No angle to spoon ;

3 centimeters??!! What? Did the milk just zoom up into the trunk? That's over an inch away! Did you see the milk leap up from the spoon? Or did it just vanish?

[DBruleU]

Lol

[GonzoLays]

That is what I am telling you, OrangeAthiest. It was absolutely out of this world. The spoon was AWAY from the trunk, not even CLOSE to touching it. The milk just vanished and you had crying ladies to the left and right of me. I saw it with my own two eyes, and the thing is this happened in Jackson, Ms, not one of the cities listed on the chart that experience this "miracle" or whatever you want to call it. All I know is that I saw it happen, and due to my disinterest in religion at the time I just shrugged it off as nothing. I don't know why I did that, probably because I didn't understand the magnitude of what was happening and also I didn't know at the time it was happening all over the world. The lady who did it found out from her relative in India who told her to try it because it was happening all over India. Later, the lady told us that her relatives in San Jose, California were able to experience the same "miracle" there at temple near their house.

I guess you could even try it by putting the milk to the trunk of the statue and seeing what happens. But you can't pour on there, that is not what occured. See the video for reference on how people did it. I personally hope you debunk the whole thing and are able to post it on the web for the whole world to see. But I don't know...

[GonzoLays]

Lol

Who are you going to believe, your lying eyes or a tax collector? Nevermind, your eyes are lying to you. Happens all the time.

[orangeatheist]

That is what I am telling you, OrangeAthiest. It was absolutely out of this world. The spoon was AWAY from the trunk, not even CLOSE to touching it.

Which isn't what was depicted in any of the video on the "Miracle Milk Drinking" site. I'm not calling you a liar, Gonz, but I have a real hard time believing this. May I ask, and please do not be offended, how old you are?


The milk just vanished and you had crying ladies to the left and right of me. I saw it with my own two eyes, and the thing is this happened in Jackson, Ms, not one of the cities listed on the chart that experience this "miracle" or whatever you want to call it. All I know is that I saw it happen, and due to my disinterest in religion at the time I just shrugged it off as nothing. I don't know why I did that, probably because I didn't understand the magnitude of what was happening and also I didn't know at the time it was happening all over the world. The lady who did it found out from her relative in India who told her to try it because it was happening all over India. Later, the lady told us that her relatives in San Jose, California were able to experience the same "miracle" there at temple near their house.

Did this all occur on the same day as the "miracle" was occuring in India? Within a 24 hour period?

And why are you suddenly fascinated by this now? Why, 10 years later, are you bringing this up?


I guess you could even try it by putting the milk to the trunk of the statue and seeing what happens. But you can't pour on there, that is not what occured. See the video for reference on how people did it. I personally hope you debunk the whole thing and are able to post it on the web for the whole world to see. But I don't know...

Yes, I saw how they did it in the video. Not once on the footage did anything "miraculous" happen. The milk was often given to a white statue (which could hide the milk trickling down). A couple of times I saw the milk trickling down the front of a non-white statue. Most of the shots were just of the upper portion of the statue, not allowing a view of the base. When I did see a base it was either a creamy white color, was in a basin, or I could see milk pooling around underneath the statue. Not once was there CLEAR evidence (think Instant Replay!) that the statue had actually "drank" the milk. And NEVER was there an instance where the milk literally leaped up from the spoon over 1 inch and into the statue itself. Nor was there any footage of the milk simply vanishing from a non-tipped spoon.

I honestly think you have forgotten certain details of the event, Gonz. Not that you've done so deliberately but this is EXACTLY the kind of thing that happens around "unknown" (and even some known) events. The story gets exaggerated over time. I'm of the opinon that this is how religious cults (including Christianity) get started. Some event occurs and even eye-witnesses, years later, have forgotten or have embellished the details. I know this to be a fact because I had a very memorable event occur a number of years ago and in recalling the details I remembered the event occurring a certain way. I was convinced. Then, at a friend's house who was at the event with me, I saw a video taken at the time. What I saw and what I recalled were quite different. The overall event was recalled but the details in the video were very different than the details in my memory. This convinced me not to rely on "eye-witness" accounts of events. The human mind is just too vulnerable to getting the details wrong. The mind is a huge filter.

Anyway, I'm again not saying you did not see what you thought you saw. However, I think if the event had been taped you'd be surprised how many of your details are missing. You yourself admit that you watched with half-hearted interest. You were not there to record the event in every detail. Nonetheless, we do have video documentation of the event as it occurred for other folks that day and I will try to reproduce the phenomenon at home tonight. I just have to think about which of my statues I don't mind having milk dribbled down its surface! ;)

[DBruleU]

Who are you going to believe, your lying eyes or a tax collector? Nevermind, your eyes are lying to you. Happens all the time.

What Im wondering is...what do you believe in now that you have seen this with your own two eyes? What kind of belief system do you have now? Do you believe in the power of a milkd drinking statue? Or what? Im just curious as to know what, after seeing this, has made you believe in...

[TheDave]

This thread rocks...

I will always be amaxed at the crazy sh!t people buy into when it comes to relegion!!!

[orangeatheist]

Ok, ran the "experiment" last night but my camera was low on batteries and I didn't get any good footage. I charged the batteries last night and then ran the experiment again this morning. Unfortunately I ran out of time before I had to leave for work and couldn't upload the files from the camera to the PC and then from the PC to a webhost. So, I'll try to do that tonight.

Anyone know if photobucket accepts avi's? And if not, who does? (Since I haven't uploaded the files I'm not sure how big they are)


But, to kill any suspense, my experiments were just as successful as any demonstration caught on tape shown in the Miracle Milk Drinking website Gonz linked us all to. However, I will say that my spoon was not an inch away from my deity and I had to tilt it a bit (just like in the video). But the spoon sure enough emptied.

[GonzoLays]

I will withhold my judgement until I see the video of you making the milk disappear.

But here are a couple of questions. Did you pour the milk on the statue? When you say tilt, does that mean you poured the milk on the statue? And what happened to the milk once you tilted the spoon toward the statue? Did it vanish in thin air just like the video? Was there any milk on the side, underneath and around the statue after you finished?

And to reply to a question you asked earlier, the statue that I saw do it was brown.

[bronco_diesel]

I will withhold my judgement until I see the video of you making the milk disappear.

But here are a couple of questions. Did you pour the milk on the statue? When you say tilt, does that mean you poured the milk on the statue? And what happened to the milk once you tilted the spoon toward the statue? Did it vanish in thin air just like the video? Was there any milk on the side, underneath and around the statue after you finished?

And to reply to a question you asked earlier, the statue that I saw do it was brown.

i have a few questions too-

1) did you use 1%, 2%, Vitamin D, evaporated milk?
2) was your spoon silver?
3) did you wash your hands?

:)

[orangeatheist]

I'm sorry guys. I keep forgetting to upload that movie. I wasn't very impressed with the results and other things at home keep taking my time and I forget to upload it after I've put the kids to bed.

I'll try doubly hard to remember to do it tonight or sometime this weekend.

Gonz, I did the same thing that is depicted in the videos on the website you linked us to in your opening post: http://www.milkmiracle.com/html/miracle.html

There is no video evidence for the "miracle" you witnessed and as such I cannot comment on what you think you saw. Like I said, I seriously doubt --with all due respect-- your recollection of the event as you've recounted it. So, if you can get a video of a statue drinking milk from a spoon held 3 centimeters from it's "mouth", I'll be more inclined to try and duplicate the experiment as you can show it. As it is, I can only go by the documented "milk feedings" as found on the Milk Miracle site. And that includes tipping the spoon toward the statue if even ever so slightly.

[GonzoLays]

I would first like to see the video then make any comments.

[alkemical]

HOW did i miss this thread!?

[TheDave]

HOW did i miss this thread!?

This was a classic Hilarious!

[Rohirrim]

Ha! I remember this one.

[sisterhellfyre]

HOW did i miss this thread!?

Dunno, CS. I asked myself the same question.

But then I was able to draw a couple conclusions from catching up:

* That the statues drank milk, but not Kool-Aid, proves conclusively that even God is not a Republican, in any of His many incarnations. Not even when He shows up with the head of an elephant!

* The "Got Milk?" campaign begins in 1993, and the milk miracle follows in 1995: coincidence, or sign of the end times?

Regards,
m.

[orangenblue2]

HOW did i miss this thread!?

No doubt...I would have been all over this...

[alkemical]

I feel too late to the party, i have many points but they've been covered in many threads since.

[alkemical]

One final comment:

About this whole they worship idols thing.... BULL ****

Anyone that states this - is full of crap and doesn't understand it. Esp. if you wear a ****ing cross on your neck, and pray to a picture of a white jesus.

Sorry that just really irritated me.

[alkemical]

Hundreds flock to Nepal shrine for "sweating" idol (http://uk.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUKSP13772220070521)


KATHMANDU (Reuters) - Hundreds of people have flocked to a remote village in eastern Nepal to see a "sweating" idol of a Hindu god, a sign of impending turmoil or natural disaster for the devoutly religious nation.

Witnesses said that sweat seeped out of the idol of the Bhimeshwor god at a temple in Dolakha, a few hours drive from Kathmandu, during evening prayers at the weekend.

"I saw the right side of the black stone idol had become wet because of sweating," said Shanta Krishna Shrestha, chairman of a committee responsible for maintaining the temple.

"This denotes something like major political change or a natural calamity," said Shrestha.

"We must hold special prayers and make sacrifices asking for forgiveness."

Sacrificing animals such as goats or roosters to appease gods is common among Hindus in Nepal.

Sweating was seen on the idol in 2001, media reported, months before a palace massacre when King Birendra and eight other members of the royal family were shot dead in a drug-and-drink fuelled shooting spree by the then crown prince, who later turned the gun on himself.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Someone needs to turn off the humidifier.