Canned by the Fish

[sisterhellfyre]

What a weird day in the NFL. The Saints beat the Panthers, the 49ers down the Rams, and the Broncos get the stuffing beat out of them by the Dolphins. I've got crow cooking in the kitchen cuz I, too, predicted a fairly easy win for the Broncos. I was wrong -- boy, was I wrong! A few thoughts after the debacle alleged to be a game...

* Yes, it's one loss out of a 16-game schedule. With some adjustments, this Bronco squad could still post a winning season and make the playoffs. New England did it last year, after a disastrous loss to the Bills in the first week. I'm having hard time swallowing this one because of the way the Broncos lost. 34-10, and the game was not as close as the score would indicate. That's tough to admit. I'll bet Patriots fans said the same thing last year.

* I think the league office needs to take a serious look at the way home teams manipulate the rules to maximize climate advantages. Why are home teams allowed to use their road uniforms when playing home games? Especially when it's an obvious move to place the visiting team at a further disadvantage? The Jaguars did it to the Broncos last year, the Chargers tried to do it, and the Dolphins did it this week. (The only reason the Chargers didn't get away with it was because Shanahan "forgot" to have the equipment staff pack the home blues.) The Dolphins can't do anything about the heat & humidity any more than the Broncos can thicken the air in Denver. When both teams have to deal with the same conditions, that's fair. But when the home team forces the visitors into their home colors, I call it blatant cheating. Everyone who's ever lived in a southern state knows the effect of wearing dark colors in the sun. It's time for the league office to address this issue.

* CBS showed several shots of sideline thermometers hovering just over 115 degrees. With even 60% humidity, that is truly brutal. I worked on a maintenance/grounds crew in Florida for two summers while I was in college. The position required me to wear long pants every day. It was truly a miserable experience. My first day there it was 89 degrees with 98 percent humidity. At first I thought I was going to die -- and then I wanted to. When you get tired in those conditions, it's impossible to rest up or cool off without extended time out of the sun and doing nothing. I was not surprised that the Broncos lost multiple secondary players to dehydration and leg cramps. The only thing that surprised me was that we didn't hear about "economy-size" linemen like Warren going down with the same problems. They were suffering the same effects, I'm sure, and just as bad or worse. I'd be more surprised than not if the Broncos trainers aren't treating several cases of at-least-borderline heatstroke on the plane ride home.

* I knew the Broncos were in trouble when the defensive line began to disappear in the second quarter. The defense's problems were compounded by the ineptitude of the offense. Our only prayer today was to score quickly several times, get way out in front of the Dolphins, and hang on through the heat crash. Of course, as we saw, that just didn't happen.

* I'm going to give Lenny Walls a pass on the 65-yard scoring throw to Chambers. I'm on kidney dialysis, where leg cramps due to dehydration are a continuous risk. Seriously, they can be scream-out-loud agony, when every muscle tightens to its max -- and then some -- and each one pulls against the others. It feels like your legs and feet are literally going to tear themselves apart. IF you can flex one muscle or roll your ankle to try for some relief, that just triggers another cramp. I've had dehydration cramps from dialysis bad enough that they've left me sore and limping for days afterward. Under the circumstances, I'm impressed that Lenny was able to go back on the field at all. Reluctant kudos to the Dolphins for spotting that and going right after him. (Their doing so also proves my earlier point that forcing the Broncos into dark colors was done deliberately for a competitive advantage. IE, cheating.)

* Next time the opposition wants to manipulate the jersey colors, I'd like to see Shanahan stand up, stick up for his players and say "hell no, we're not going to do it." What will it take to make the point? Another player killed by heatstroke?

* Plummer showed a tendency to overcontrol his passes. "Paralysis by analysis." All day long it looked to me like he was thinking too much about where and how he wanted to throw the ball, so that his efforts to aim interfered with his throwing mechanics. He didn't throw the ball consistently on time, and he didn't release the ball when he should in his throwing motion. It's only a split-second difference in timing, but it's enough. Most of the time when he missed open receivers, he threw it behind them. Of all the difficult balls to catch, balls thrown behind the receiver are probably the worst.

* Foxworth, Williams and Ferguson had a few good plays in the secondary before they slowed down by heat exhaustion. I still believe that D-Fox and D-Will have bright futures as Bronco CBs; it was just great to see someone -- anyone -- in a Broncos uniform knocking down sure touchdown passes. (Not counting Ashley Lelie. 'Nuff said.)

* Coach Shanahan: schooled by a rookie. I'm embarrassed. At least Coach had the good grace, toward the end of the game, to admit in his pained smile that was a top-to-bottom ass-kicking, and it started with him. The Bronco players were not put in positions to win, and that starts off with him and goes through the entire coaching staff.

I don't believe that today's game was an accurate reflection of the team's capabilities. I think it's impossible to underestimate the climate's impact on the Broncos today. I'll be watching again next week, to see if the Broncs can rebound. If they get their butts kicked again, then I'll start to be concerned.

Regards,
m.

[SoCalBronco]

very good post. I agree with pretty much the whole thing.

[ac_lanham]

What a weird day in the NFL. The Saints beat the Panthers, the 49ers down the Rams, and the Broncos get the stuffing beat out of them by the Dolphins. I've got crow cooking in the kitchen cuz I, too, predicted a fairly easy win for the Broncos. I was wrong -- boy, was I wrong! A few thoughts after the debacle alleged to be a game...

* Yes, it's one loss out of a 16-game schedule. With some adjustments, this Bronco squad could still post a winning season and make the playoffs. New England did it last year, after a disastrous loss to the Bills in the first week. I'm having hard time swallowing this one because of the way the Broncos lost. 34-10, and the game was not as close as the score would indicate. That's tough to admit. I'll bet Patriots fans said the same thing last year.

* I think the league office needs to take a serious look at the way home teams manipulate the rules to maximize climate advantages. Why are home teams allowed to use their road uniforms when playing home games? Especially when it's an obvious move to place the visiting team at a further disadvantage? The Jaguars did it to the Broncos last year, the Chargers tried to do it, and the Dolphins did it this week. (The only reason the Chargers didn't get away with it was because Shanahan "forgot" to have the equipment staff pack the home blues.) The Dolphins can't do anything about the heat & humidity any more than the Broncos can thicken the air in Denver. When both teams have to deal with the same conditions, that's fair. But when the home team forces the visitors into their home colors, I call it blatant cheating. Everyone who's ever lived in a southern state knows the effect of wearing dark colors in the sun. It's time for the league office to address this issue.

* CBS showed several shots of sideline thermometers hovering just over 115 degrees. With even 60% humidity, that is truly brutal. I worked on a maintenance/grounds crew in Florida for two summers while I was in college. The position required me to wear long pants every day. It was truly a miserable experience. My first day there it was 89 degrees with 98 percent humidity. At first I thought I was going to die -- and then I wanted to. When you get tired in those conditions, it's impossible to rest up or cool off without extended time out of the sun and doing nothing. I was not surprised that the Broncos lost multiple secondary players to dehydration and leg cramps. The only thing that surprised me was that we didn't hear about "economy-size" linemen like Warren going down with the same problems. They were suffering the same effects, I'm sure, and just as bad or worse. I'd be more surprised than not if the Broncos trainers aren't treating several cases of at-least-borderline heatstroke on the plane ride home.

* I knew the Broncos were in trouble when the defensive line began to disappear in the second quarter. The defense's problems were compounded by the ineptitude of the offense. Our only prayer today was to score quickly several times, get way out in front of the Dolphins, and hang on through the heat crash. Of course, as we saw, that just didn't happen.

* I'm going to give Lenny Walls a pass on the 65-yard scoring throw to Chambers. I'm on kidney dialysis, where leg cramps due to dehydration are a continuous risk. Seriously, they can be scream-out-loud agony, when every muscle tightens to its max -- and then some -- and each one pulls against the others. It feels like your legs and feet are literally going to tear themselves apart. IF you can flex one muscle or roll your ankle to try for some relief, that just triggers another cramp. I've had dehydration cramps from dialysis bad enough that they've left me sore and limping for days afterward. Under the circumstances, I'm impressed that Lenny was able to go back on the field at all. Reluctant kudos to the Dolphins for spotting that and going right after him. (Their doing so also proves my earlier point that forcing the Broncos into dark colors was done deliberately for a competitive advantage. IE, cheating.)

* Next time the opposition wants to manipulate the jersey colors, I'd like to see Shanahan stand up, stick up for his players and say "hell no, we're not going to do it." What will it take to make the point? Another player killed by heatstroke?

* Plummer showed a tendency to overcontrol his passes. "Paralysis by analysis." All day long it looked to me like he was thinking too much about where and how he wanted to throw the ball, so that his efforts to aim interfered with his throwing mechanics. He didn't throw the ball consistently on time, and he didn't release the ball when he should in his throwing motion. It's only a split-second difference in timing, but it's enough. Most of the time when he missed open receivers, he threw it behind them. Of all the difficult balls to catch, balls thrown behind the receiver are probably the worst.

* Foxworth, Williams and Ferguson had a few good plays in the secondary before they slowed down by heat exhaustion. I still believe that D-Fox and D-Will have bright futures as Bronco CBs; it was just great to see someone -- anyone -- in a Broncos uniform knocking down sure touchdown passes. (Not counting Ashley Lelie. 'Nuff said.)

* Coach Shanahan: schooled by a rookie. I'm embarrassed. At least Coach had the good grace, toward the end of the game, to admit in his pained smile that was a top-to-bottom ass-kicking, and it started with him. The Bronco players were not put in positions to win, and that starts off with him and goes through the entire coaching staff.

I don't believe that today's game was an accurate reflection of the team's capabilities. I think it's impossible to underestimate the climate's impact on the Broncos today. I'll be watching again next week, to see if the Broncs can rebound. If they get their butts kicked again, then I'll start to be concerned.

Regards,
m.

Madness, you think they're gonna change the jersey rules because a Denver Broncos team got beat by the "lowly" Dolphins. They do this all the time, it's on YOUR team to prepare to play a game in the heat, it's at least 115 degrees on that field REGARDLESS of whose wearing what. It's on your team to come prepared, and by the looks of it....they didn't. Shape up or ship out...

Miami almost ALWAYS wears white jerseys in Miami regardless of month, they're not gonna change the rule b/c your team came unprepared...it happens, they're at home, it's only one game, your season isn't over

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Every team that had to travel to Florida today lost to the lesser team.

Play in Denver. Does Miami still win?
Play in Seattle. Do the Jags still win?
Play in the Minnesota. Does Tampa still win?

You get 8 home games in a season. What's the point of giving all 3 Florida teams home games in the first weekend?

[Kaylore]

What a weird day in the NFL. The Saints beat the Panthers, the 49ers down the Rams, and the Broncos get the stuffing beat out of them by the Dolphins. I've got crow cooking in the kitchen cuz I, too, predicted a fairly easy win for the Broncos. I was wrong -- boy, was I wrong! A few thoughts after the debacle alleged to be a game...

* Yes, it's one loss out of a 16-game schedule. With some adjustments, this Bronco squad could still post a winning season and make the playoffs. New England did it last year, after a disastrous loss to the Bills in the first week. I'm having hard time swallowing this one because of the way the Broncos lost. 34-10, and the game was not as close as the score would indicate. That's tough to admit. I'll bet Patriots fans said the same thing last year.

* I think the league office needs to take a serious look at the way home teams manipulate the rules to maximize climate advantages. Why are home teams allowed to use their road uniforms when playing home games? Especially when it's an obvious move to place the visiting team at a further disadvantage? The Jaguars did it to the Broncos last year, the Chargers tried to do it, and the Dolphins did it this week. (The only reason the Chargers didn't get away with it was because Shanahan "forgot" to have the equipment staff pack the home blues.) The Dolphins can't do anything about the heat & humidity any more than the Broncos can thicken the air in Denver. When both teams have to deal with the same conditions, that's fair. But when the home team forces the visitors into their home colors, I call it blatant cheating. Everyone who's ever lived in a southern state knows the effect of wearing dark colors in the sun. It's time for the league office to address this issue.

* CBS showed several shots of sideline thermometers hovering just over 115 degrees. With even 60% humidity, that is truly brutal. I worked on a maintenance/grounds crew in Florida for two summers while I was in college. The position required me to wear long pants every day. It was truly a miserable experience. My first day there it was 89 degrees with 98 percent humidity. At first I thought I was going to die -- and then I wanted to. When you get tired in those conditions, it's impossible to rest up or cool off without extended time out of the sun and doing nothing. I was not surprised that the Broncos lost multiple secondary players to dehydration and leg cramps. The only thing that surprised me was that we didn't hear about "economy-size" linemen like Warren going down with the same problems. They were suffering the same effects, I'm sure, and just as bad or worse. I'd be more surprised than not if the Broncos trainers aren't treating several cases of at-least-borderline heatstroke on the plane ride home.

* I knew the Broncos were in trouble when the defensive line began to disappear in the second quarter. The defense's problems were compounded by the ineptitude of the offense. Our only prayer today was to score quickly several times, get way out in front of the Dolphins, and hang on through the heat crash. Of course, as we saw, that just didn't happen.

* I'm going to give Lenny Walls a pass on the 65-yard scoring throw to Chambers. I'm on kidney dialysis, where leg cramps due to dehydration are a continuous risk. Seriously, they can be scream-out-loud agony, when every muscle tightens to its max -- and then some -- and each one pulls against the others. It feels like your legs and feet are literally going to tear themselves apart. IF you can flex one muscle or roll your ankle to try for some relief, that just triggers another cramp. I've had dehydration cramps from dialysis bad enough that they've left me sore and limping for days afterward. Under the circumstances, I'm impressed that Lenny was able to go back on the field at all. Reluctant kudos to the Dolphins for spotting that and going right after him. (Their doing so also proves my earlier point that forcing the Broncos into dark colors was done deliberately for a competitive advantage. IE, cheating.)

* Next time the opposition wants to manipulate the jersey colors, I'd like to see Shanahan stand up, stick up for his players and say "hell no, we're not going to do it." What will it take to make the point? Another player killed by heatstroke?

* Plummer showed a tendency to overcontrol his passes. "Paralysis by analysis." All day long it looked to me like he was thinking too much about where and how he wanted to throw the ball, so that his efforts to aim interfered with his throwing mechanics. He didn't throw the ball consistently on time, and he didn't release the ball when he should in his throwing motion. It's only a split-second difference in timing, but it's enough. Most of the time when he missed open receivers, he threw it behind them. Of all the difficult balls to catch, balls thrown behind the receiver are probably the worst.

* Foxworth, Williams and Ferguson had a few good plays in the secondary before they slowed down by heat exhaustion. I still believe that D-Fox and D-Will have bright futures as Bronco CBs; it was just great to see someone -- anyone -- in a Broncos uniform knocking down sure touchdown passes. (Not counting Ashley Lelie. 'Nuff said.)

* Coach Shanahan: schooled by a rookie. I'm embarrassed. At least Coach had the good grace, toward the end of the game, to admit in his pained smile that was a top-to-bottom ass-kicking, and it started with him. The Bronco players were not put in positions to win, and that starts off with him and goes through the entire coaching staff.

I don't believe that today's game was an accurate reflection of the team's capabilities. I think it's impossible to underestimate the climate's impact on the Broncos today. I'll be watching again next week, to see if the Broncs can rebound. If they get their butts kicked again, then I'll start to be concerned.

Regards,
m.

Good post as usuall, M. This sums up my thoughts except the part where I wanted to shoot the TV.

[Tombstone RJ]

The Broncos should have worn their orange jerseys, hell, anything to get some relief from the heat...

[ac_lanham]

Every team that had to travel to Florida today lost to the lesser team.

Play in Denver. Does Miami still win?
Play in Seattle. Do the Jags still win?
Play in the Minnesota. Does Tampa still win?

You get 8 home games in a season. What's the point of giving all 3 Florida teams home games in the first weekend?

Ummm....The Minny/TB game was played in Minnesota. Please stop trying to look for the heat as the main excuse your team didn't execute. The Texans came to Miami 2 years ago in Sept and defeated us, hot jerseys and all, they were just more prepared than you guys were. The season's not over yet, the Broncos just underestimated the Phins, plain and simple

[texasPHINS]

i think you are weak in choosing your arguments.... you put wayyyy too much emphasis on the uniforms. face it, THAT did not make a difference.

why are you guys in such denial to admit you got beat? why do you have to look for excuses? you make it sound like we won despite ourselves, not that we won because of ourselves.

rulon velvet - the "home game" argument is pointless too.... we played you guys last year in your house. why is it too much to ask that you play us here this year? that and like you said - its even, 8 home and 8 away. no cheating or unfair advantages here either.

i think you guys are really "reaching" for excuses now.

[watermock]

Miami and Arizona always wear their whites at home. They also choose the cooler side of the field. Denver knew damn well they would be in blue. We should of put on Orange and White, which might of been a little cooler, just another mistake in a day of mistakes.

[sisterhellfyre]

Madness, you think they're gonna change the jersey rules because a Denver Broncos team got beat by the "lowly" Dolphins. They do this all the time, it's on YOUR team to prepare to play a game in the heat, it's at least 115 degrees on that field REGARDLESS of whose wearing what.

Yes, it's 115+ degrees on the field for both teams. My point is that the Broncos players, in the dark blue jerseys and standing on the sunny side of the field, were baking in their own shoulder pads. Stewing in their own sweat. For the Broncos, the effective field conditions were probably at least 125 degrees. If you don't believe me, try putting on a dark blue shirt and standing in the sun on a hot day. Strap on some pads under the shirt so they'll hold and retain the sun's heat. Better yet, with the pads and the dark shirt, run a mile. Will you make it?

I really am not all that concerned that the Broncos got beat by the "lowly" Dolphins, but the "all the time" part does bug me. What I am concerned about is what looks like a pattern of rules manipulation that could very well endanger players' health -- and not just the Broncos. Wasn't one Korey Stringer enough?

Yes, I know that NFL players endanger their health every time they step on the field. And they're pretty well paid to take those risks. But are they paid well enough to face this extra risk? A blown-out knee is bad enough... but heatstroke kills.

Miami almost ALWAYS wears white jerseys in Miami regardless of month, they're not gonna change the rule b/c your team came unprepared...it happens, they're at home, it's only one game, your season isn't over

Horsefeathers. Miami's home jerseys are aqua with white numbers. But aqua is a darker color than white, so they hold more heat -- tho not as much as dark blue. I'd have to do some research to verify it, but I'll bet the aqua jerseys only come out after the month of September.

Regards,
m.

[watermock]

i think you are weak in choosing your arguments.... you put wayyyy too much emphasis on the uniforms. face it, THAT did not make a difference.

why are you guys in such denial to admit you got beat? why do you have to look for excuses? you make it sound like we won despite ourselves, not that we won because of ourselves.

rulon velvet - the "home game" argument is pointless too.... we played you guys last year in your house. why is it too much to ask that you play us here this year? that and like you said - its even, 8 home and 8 away. no cheating or unfair advantages here either.

i think you guys are really "reaching" for excuses now.

I'm not making excuses, the home team gets to choose which uniform and which sideline they will reside on. I just think Orange over White would of been cooler. I didn't see any Cool Spot Fans there either, but the coverage was so pathetic it never really showed the bronco bench except for Bailey and the occasional Shanahan blank glare. I never saw Kubiak once.

[Tombstone RJ]

i think you are weak in choosing your arguments.... you put wayyyy too much emphasis on the uniforms. face it, THAT did not make a difference.

why are you guys in such denial to admit you got beat? why do you have to look for excuses? you make it sound like we won despite ourselves, not that we won because of ourselves.

rulon velvet - the "home game" argument is pointless too.... we played you guys last year in your house. why is it too much to ask that you play us here this year? that and like you said - its even, 8 home and 8 away. no cheating or unfair advantages here either.

i think you guys are really "reaching" for excuses now.

I think the point is that the phins wore their white jerserys and are the home team. Obviously, they take their jersey pickings seriously, otherwise they'd wear their teal uniforms, no?

Several phins fans pointed out before the game that the heat and humidity creates an advantage for the Phins. Fine. Point taken.

The Broncos played extremely bad and the Phins played extremely well, however, the Broncos, as the road team, should have the right to wear their white jerseys, esp at this time of year in Miami.

That is the point we're trying to make.

[watermock]

No, Denver DOESN'T have the right of jersey color, the home team does. Dallas, Arizona and Miami all wear white. Your crazy. We could of worn ventilated Orange over white pants tho.

[sisterhellfyre]

i think you are weak in choosing your arguments.... you put wayyyy too much emphasis on the uniforms. face it, THAT did not make a difference.

why are you guys in such denial to admit you got beat? why do you have to look for excuses? you make it sound like we won despite ourselves, not that we won because of ourselves.

Hey, tex --

Go back and read what I actually wrote. At no point did I deny that the Broncos got beat. They got beat today like a dirty rug. Like your last girlfriend. Pick and insert your own metaphor here.

I've seen the Broncos put up some real stinker performances. Games in the last two years against Chicago, Baltimore and Atlanta all come to mind. I've been watching college & pro football long enough to realize that some teams just have bad days sometimes.

When it reaches a point that even the commentators are talking about the heat, the field conditions, and dehydration, I think that's a little above and beyond "a bad day at the office."

Why are you in such denial to admit your new coaching staff exploited the rules, as they stand now, for an unfair advantage?

Regards,
m.

[texasPHINS]

I'm not making excuses, the home team gets to choose which uniform and which sideline they will reside on. I just think Orange over White would of been cooler. I didn't see any Cool Spot Fans there either, but the coverage was so pathetic it never really showed the bronco bench except for Bailey and the occasional Shanahan blank glare. I never saw Kubiak once.
you are right - i wasn't talking to you, rather the thread originator.

guys, guys - it was 115 on the field. whether you guys wore white or we did would not have made a BIT of difference. its one hundred and fifteen degrees!!

i seriously don't think if you had worn your white and we wore our teal, that you would have won. I don't think the score would have been any different, as a matter of fact. what's the difference between 115 degrees and 120 degrees? its still deplorable conditions!

[Tombstone RJ]

No, Denver DOESN'T have the right of jersey color, the home team does. Dallas, Arizona and Miami all wear white. Your crazy. We could of worn ventilated Orange over white pants tho.

No schit Sherlock. :hitself:

That was my point: the home team shouldn't be able to pick and choose their jersey color. Home teams wear home colors, period.

[texasPHINS]

Hey, tex --

Go back and read what I actually wrote. At no point did I deny that the Broncos got beat. They got beat today like a dirty rug. Like your last girlfriend. Pick and insert your own metaphor here.

I've seen the Broncos put up some real stinker performances. Games in the last two years against Chicago, Baltimore and Atlanta all come to mind. I've been watching college & pro football long enough to realize that some teams just have bad days sometimes.

When it reaches a point that even the commentators are talking about the heat, the field conditions, and dehydration, I think that's a little above and beyond "a bad day at the office."

Why are you in such denial to admit your new coaching staff exploited the rules, as they stand now, for an unfair advantage?

Regards,
m.

i'm not in denial - i said it is a real stretch for you to reach to this argument to try to justify things here.

I've been online and discussing games with other teams for years now... not ONCE have i heard such a far-reaching argument as "color of uniforms" worn. when the conditions are 115+ degrees on the field, what difference does the color of the uniform make?

compare it to oil operating temperature of a car's engine. If it's meant to run in the 250-degrees range, if you're over 300 it is disaster. 300 and 310 will have no different effect on your engine - they will both destroy it.

this is my point. you are splitting hairs here.

and thanks for bringing my ex-girlfriend into it. at least you aren't a poor sport ;)

[ac_lanham]

Yes, it's 115+ degrees on the field for both teams. My point is that the Broncos players, in the dark blue jerseys and standing on the sunny side of the field, were baking in their own shoulder pads. Stewing in their own sweat. For the Broncos, the effective field conditions were probably at least 125 degrees. If you don't believe me, try putting on a dark blue shirt and standing in the sun on a hot day. Strap on some pads under the shirt so they'll hold and retain the sun's heat. Better yet, with the pads and the dark shirt, run a mile. Will you make it?

I really am not all that concerned that the Broncos got beat by the "lowly" Dolphins, but the "all the time" part does bug me. What I am concerned about is what looks like a pattern of rules manipulation that could very well endanger players' health -- and not just the Broncos. Wasn't one Korey Stringer enough?

Yes, I know that NFL players endanger their health every time they step on the field. And they're pretty well paid to take those risks. But are they paid well enough to face this extra risk? A blown-out knee is bad enough... but heatstroke kills.



Horsefeathers. Miami's home jerseys are aqua with white numbers. But aqua is a darker color than white, so they hold more heat -- tho not as much as dark blue. I'd have to do some research to verify it, but I'll bet the aqua jerseys only come out after the month of September.

Regards,
m.

If heatstrokes kill then they shouldn't play games in Florida period. If you guys had won would you be making these weak excuses. Face it, Jake Plummer and Ashley Lelie had a bad game...There's your main reason for the loss.

Like I said earlier, the Texans came to Miami 2 years ago and beat us blue jerseys and all, he didn't make excuses, he brought his team down to Florida 2-3 days early so they could adjust to the heat.

The Phinz RARELY wear the aqua jerseys regardless of if they're home or away, if we played Den in October at home we would've probably worn white. They usually only wear aqua or the occasional orange jerseys in late/night games, yes they use it for advantages but they're also more accustomed to it, just like the Broncos are more accustomed to playing in the thinner Denver air. Me personally, I wouldn't make it in blue or white jerseys, but these guys aren't getting paid millions to be babied, it's a very lame excuse

[texasPHINS]

by the way m,

i think you should write a letter to the commissioner complaining about the uniform issue. I am sure that it is a valid point that should be brought up. With all the unfair advantages in the NFL, the uniform colors are definitely one of the bigger problems. This should be addressed by the NFL immediately.

[Tombstone RJ]

If heatstrokes kill then they shouldn't play games in Florida period. If you guys had won would you be making these weak excuses. Face it, Jake Plummer and Ashley Lelie had a bad game...There's your main reason for the loss.

Like I said earlier, the Texans came to Miami 2 years ago and beat us blue jerseys and all, he didn't make excuses, he brought his team down to Florida 2-3 days early so they could adjust to the heat.

The Phinz RARELY wear the aqua jerseys regardless of if they're home or away, if we played Den in October at home we would've probably worn white. They usually only wear aqua or the occasional orange jerseys in late/night games, yes they use it for advantages but they're also more accustomed to it, just like the Broncos are more accustomed to playing in the thinner Denver air. Me personally, I wouldn't make it in blue or white jerseys, but these guys aren't getting paid millions to be babied, it's a very lame excuse

What a boat load of horse chit. :kiddingme

[DBroncos4life]

i think you are weak in choosing your arguments.... you put wayyyy too much emphasis on the uniforms. face it, THAT did not make a difference.

why are you guys in such denial to admit you got beat? why do you have to look for excuses? you make it sound like we won despite ourselves, not that we won because of ourselves.

rulon velvet - the "home game" argument is pointless too.... we played you guys last year in your house. why is it too much to ask that you play us here this year? that and like you said - its even, 8 home and 8 away. no cheating or unfair advantages here either.

i think you guys are really "reaching" for excuses now.



wasn't it you that said well we are used to the heat on another thread???

[watermock]

No schit Sherlock. :hitself:

That was my point: the home team shouldn't be able to pick and choose their jersey color. Home teams wear home colors, period.

Your crazy. They shouldn't be allowed to pick their home uniform? What are you smoking? They can't pick their preferred sideline? What are you smoking? That isn't how it works whatsoever. Home teams get to choose the jersey, the sideline, and the locker room. PERIOD.

You want to tell me exactly why the home team can't pick it's jersey, sideline and lockerroom? As I mentioned, Dallas, Arizona and Miami have worn home white for years.

[texasPHINS]

wasn't it you that said well we are used to the heat on another thread???
no - in fact i was saying the opposite.

[texasPHINS]

Your crazy. They shouldn't be allowed to pick their home uniform? What are you smoking? They can't pick their preferred sideline? What are you smoking? That isn't how it works whatsoever. Home teams get to choose the jersey, the sideline, and the locker room. PERIOD.
no, it makes perfect sense. you guys lost, so obviously its a conspiracy. no way could the broncos lose to the dolphins. there MUST be some other factors where the dolphins cheated, bent the rules, or twisted things in their favor.

They surely didn't win by stopping the broncos offense or putting up more points with the dolphin offense.

This thread is just a weak attempt at taking credit away from the dolphin team and its players.

(*EDIT: by the way watermock i'm agreeing with you ;) )

[sisterhellfyre]

i'm not in denial - i said it is a real stretch for you to reach to this argument to try to justify things here.

Is it a stretch? Then I have just one question... how many Dolphins players had to leave the game because of dehydration cramps?

I've been online and discussing games with other teams for years now... not ONCE have i heard such a far-reaching argument as "color of uniforms" worn. when the conditions are 115+ degrees on the field, what difference does the color of the uniform make?

First time for everything, I guess. Please see a previous reply, where I speculated on what the effective field conditions for the Broncos might have been.

compare it to oil operating temperature of a car's engine. If it's meant to run in the 250-degrees range, if you're over 300 it is disaster. 300 and 310 will have no different effect on your engine - they will both destroy it.

True as far as it goes... but engines can be replaced. Dead people stay that way. That potential is of more concern to me than what happened to the Broncos on the field today.

and thanks for bringing my ex-girlfriend into it. at least you aren't a poor sport ;)

You're welcome. I figured this is a football board, so I should get at least a little bit of trash talk into the dialogue. ;)

Let's turn it around and look at it this way. Same question, inverse circumstances. Instead of Miami in September, look at Buffalo -- or even Denver -- in December. If the Broncos' choice of home uniforms meant that the visiting team *had* to wear uniforms that left their players more exposed to the cold, would that be fair?

When your DBs went down with hypothermia while ours were just fine, would you accept that and say "Oh, it's part of the game, don't make excuses"?

Regards,
m.

[Tombstone RJ]

Your crazy. They shouldn't be allowed to pick their home uniform? What are you smoking? They can't pick their preferred sideline? What are you smoking? That isn't how it works whatsoever. Home teams get to choose the jersey, the sideline, and the locker room. PERIOD.

You want to tell me exactly why the home team can't pick it's jersey, sideline and lockerroom? As I mentioned, Dallas, Arizona and Miami have worn home white for years.

Yes, I'll explain why teams shouldn't be able to pick which jersey they wear at home: the name "home" jersey designates that it is to be worn while playing on the home field. The name "away" jersey designates that it is to be worn while playing at an opponents field (aka, not at home).

As for sideline and lockerroom, I'm not sure what your talking about. But, then again, your Mock.

[Broncoman13]

Ummm....The Minny/TB game was played in Minnesota. Please stop trying to look for the heat as the main excuse your team didn't execute. The Texans came to Miami 2 years ago in Sept and defeated us, hot jerseys and all, they were just more prepared than you guys were. The season's not over yet, the Broncos just underestimated the Phins, plain and simple


Hey Dumbshiat, the climate in Houston and Miami are almost identical!!!!!

[ac_lanham]

What a boat load of horse chit. :kiddingme

Take a look at the link below for your boat load of horse chit. Look at facts before you post

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/football/10694566.htm

[texasPHINS]

Is it a stretch? Then I have just one question... how many Dolphins players had to leave the game because of dehydration cramps?
this brings in the conditioning factor i was talking about. its 100 degrees + everday on the field down there.... the dolphins practice in it all the time, stretch properly for those conditions, and hydrate all the time. you guys are used to the higher altitude and cooler weather. your stretching and hydration routines are obviously not geared towards the weather and it showed.

True as far as it goes... but engines can be replaced. Dead people stay that way. That potential is of more concern to me than what happened to the Broncos on the field today. now you are trying to turn this around and make it sound like its a matter of human life. it's not. you posted this originally as a complaint about the game and how it happened. If someone had died or had a heat stroke or even passed out, i would give you this. But none of that happened, with no hint of that happening. I work outside frequently in my line of work, and down here in San Antonio it gets in the 100's frequently (almost daily). i can tell you the difference between wearing white and black - its not much. its more of a comfort issue. When its over 100 degrees, its over 100 degrees, regardless of what you are wearing. The color of the cloth is not going to create a heat stroke there chief, the heat will. if human lives is your real argument, your beef should be with the NFL for letting us play down there, or with your coaches for not mandating more hydration of their players.

Let's turn it around and look at it this way. Same question, inverse circumstances. Instead of Miami in September, look at Buffalo -- or even Denver -- in December. If the Broncos' choice of home uniforms meant that the visiting team *had* to wear uniforms that left their players more exposed to the cold, would that be fair?
one - yes it would be fair because its their house
two - how could you possibly arrange that? the uniforms cover the same amount of your body... the color is inconsequential. in cold weather, its cold whether you're wearing white or black.

When your DBs went down with hypothermia while ours were just fine, would you accept that and say "Oh, it's part of the game, don't make excuses"?
1) this is a gross exagerration
2) it is fair. again, i don't see the uniform color as a valid excuse. a blue uniform won't keep your warmer than a white one in freezing weather. if anything would be more of an issue, it would be breathing the cold air. I've had to run in snow before, and the freezing air on my lungs was more punishing than the color of my shirt.

[ac_lanham]

Hey Dumbshiat, the climate in Houston and Miami are almost identical!!!!!

LOL, you resort to name calling now. For one, the Texans play indoors, more than likely they practice there too.

I can tell you're upset and looking for excuses, and NO they are not almost identical, Texas is just dry heat while Miami is more wet, sticky, and humid

[texasPHINS]

Yes, I'll explain why teams shouldn't be able to pick which jersey they wear at home: the name "home" jersey designates that it is to be worn while playing on the home field. The name "away" jersey designates that it is to be worn while playing at an opponents field (aka, not at home).

As for sideline and lockerroom, I'm not sure what your talking about. But, then again, your Mock.
when the program was first initiated over 40 years ago to introduce multiple uniforms, it was to better differentiate two teams that had similar uniforms when they played each other. There was no "home" and "away" uniforms. This somehow was twisted into place by the usage of the different uniforms over time.

if it was against the NFL rules, it wouldn't be happening. Why does it happen? Because it's not against the rules.

man this thread is weak. You guys would NOT have even mentioned this if you won, nor would you have mentioned it if we beat you in Denver and you wore your white uniforms. come on, this had NOTHING to do with the game today...

[texasPHINS]

Hey Dumbshiat, the climate in Houston and Miami are almost identical!!!!!
this actually defends us and not you guys here.... remember the whole "heat" argument?

[Dolphins34Broncos10]

I've never heard so many excuses. I like the "Dolphins Cheated" remark by wearing white jerseys. You lost, got beat and looked bad.

[Tombstone RJ]

Take a look at the link below for your boat load of horse chit. Look at facts before you post

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/football/10694566.htm

Sorry, I'm not gonna pay for the Miami Herald.

[ac_lanham]

Sorry, I'm not gonna pay for the Miami Herald.

It's free, I actually forgot I had an account there. To make a long story short last year we basically wore our Aqua jerseys like once against Philly and we wore our Orange jerseys against NE. 14 out of 16 games we wore white

[texasPHINS]

Sorry, I'm not gonna pay for the Miami Herald.
it's actually free to register, but i don't blame you... i never registered for it either. It's ghey that they make you do that to read the articles. No other florida paper makes you do that. I just don't read the herald.

[Broncoman13]

LOL, you resort to name calling now. For one, the Texans play indoors, more than likely they practice there too.

I can tell you're upset and looking for excuses, and NO they are not almost identical, Texas is just dry heat while Miami is more wet, sticky, and humid

They live and practice in Houston out doors or indoors is somewhat irrelevant. You get accustomed to humidy just walking around town. Are you saying that the Phins never practice in doors? Do us all a favor. Know what you're talking about before you post and show how intelligent you are. Houston's climate is far from dry. In fact I venture to say it's every bit as humid as Miami! Once again YOU prove that you're a dumbshiat...I just point it out!

[Tombstone RJ]

when the program was first initiated over 40 years ago to introduce multiple uniforms, it was to better differentiate two teams that had similar uniforms when they played each other. There was no "home" and "away" uniforms. This somehow was twisted into place by the usage of the different uniforms over time.

if it was against the NFL rules, it wouldn't be happening. Why does it happen? Because it's not against the rules.

man this thread is weak. You guys would NOT have even mentioned this if you won, nor would you have mentioned it if we beat you in Denver and you wore your white uniforms. come on, this had NOTHING to do with the game today...

Fine, I didn't know this interesting bit of history. I just know how the jersey's are referred to now.

However, you saying the uniforms has nothing to do with winning or losing in Miami is not consistent with the fact that the Dolphins choose to wear their white jerseys because, they DO provide and advantage.

An advantage is an advantage. You either use it or you don't. However, I agree that the Broncos terrible play had WAY more to do with their inept execution and the Dolphins' excellent ability to convert on third downs. Yes, the Phins outplayed the Broncos.

[Broncoman13]

this actually defends us and not you guys here.... remember the whole "heat" argument?


What the hell are you talking about... does every Dolphin fan have a pea sized brain. You guys won the game. You deserved to win the game. You certainly didn't get our best effort and who knows if our best effort would have been good enough to win anyhow. The point of the humidity is it's difficult on a team from a dry, cooler climate. You're dumbshiat partner points out a team from Houston and says that they are from a dry city. That's like saying Singapore doesn't have any humidity!

[sisterhellfyre]

now you are trying to turn this around and make it sound like its a matter of human life. it's not. you posted this originally as a complaint about the game and how it happened. If someone had died or had a heat stroke or even passed out, i would give you this. But none of that happened, with no hint of that happening.

My argument is a little of both. :shrug: The line between the game and life has become a bit blurry for me the last couple years, after Korey Stringer, Thomas Herrion, the crippled NFL veterans like Earl Campbell, etc. Like I said in another thread, I love this game... but is it really to die for?


- how could you possibly arrange that? the uniforms cover the same amount of your body... the color is inconsequential. in cold weather, its cold whether you're wearing white or black.

True, and that's where my inverse case broke down.

Wearing light or dark colors, however, does make a difference in avoiding heat exhaustion. Are you going to tell me that medical doctors have had that wrong over the years, when they've repeatedly advised people working in the sun to wear lighter colors?


2) it is fair. again, i don't see the uniform color as a valid excuse. a blue uniform won't keep your warmer than a white one in freezing weather.

Good thing I'm not looking for excuses for the Broncos! I think the coaching staff from Shanahan down and every player who stepped on the field should be held accountable for how poorly the team performed. I'm pretty confident that accountability will happen, too.

That said, I do think there are reasons that the Broncos turned in a crappy performance. See the difference? :-)

Regards,
m.

[ac_lanham]

They live and practice in Houston out doors or indoors is somewhat irrelevant. You get accustomed to humidy just walking around town. Are you saying that the Phins never practice in doors? Do us all a favor. Know what you're talking about before you post and show how intelligent you are. Houston's climate is far from dry. In fact I venture to say it's every bit as humid as Miami! Once again YOU prove that you're a dumbshiat...I just point it out!

You're just upset your team lost. Dude get over it, they looked bad. Pitiful that you have to resort to name calling. No one else uses weak excuses, you say Houston is more humid than Miami, okay you win you get a gold star, me personally I don't think it is, but since you're almighty I've no choice but to go along with you. Oh and actually, the Phins usually don't practice indoors from some of the images that I've seen of their training faculity. I could be wrong though, I'm a dumbshiat

[watermock]

Yes, I'll explain why teams shouldn't be able to pick which jersey they wear at home: the name "home" jersey designates that it is to be worn while playing on the home field. The name "away" jersey designates that it is to be worn while playing at an opponents field (aka, not at home).

As for sideline and lockerroom, I'm not sure what your talking about. But, then again, your Mock.

Your absolutely wrong and I allready explained why. Does Dallas wear Blue Uni's at home? Do the Cardinals? Does Miami?

So now your telling me that teams can't pick what jersey they can wear at home, and the visiting team can decide. The visiting team can decide what sideline they get. The visiting team can determine the lockerroom. What do you think the Miami and Dallas home jerseys look like? Or Arizona?

Are you so clueless you don't realize Dallas has worn white at home for 45 years?

If you want to change the rule, talk to Bowlen. This is stupid. I'm telling you, home team gets Jersey choice (rarely taken), sideline choice (rarely taken) and locker room choice (rarely taken).

[texasPHINS]

Fine, I didn't know this interesting bit of history. I just know how the jersey's are referred to now.

However, you saying the uniforms has nothing to do with winning or losing in Miami is not consistent with the fact that the Dolphins choose to wear their white jerseys because, they DO provide and advantage.

An advantage is an advantage. You either use it or you don't. However, I agree that the Broncos terrible play had WAY more to do with their inept execution and the Dolphins' excellent ability to convert on third downs. Yes, the Phins outplayed the Broncos.
cool, i'm glad you admitted it. that's all i was looking for. we have no idea why the phins chose the white. like my fellow fin fan posted, we wore white for 13 games last year. even in december at home. I don't think it has as much to do with the heat as they just look better. at any rate neither you nor i know the real reason.

but like i said, the uniforms did not matter today. this game, it did not matter. but we are in accordance, so its a moot point.

[texasPHINS]

What the hell are you talking about... does every Dolphin fan have a pea sized brain. You guys won the game. You deserved to win the game. You certainly didn't get our best effort and who knows if our best effort would have been good enough to win anyhow. The point of the humidity is it's difficult on a team from a dry, cooler climate. You're dumbshiat partner points out a team from Houston and says that they are from a dry city. That's like saying Singapore doesn't have any humidity!
you need to watch your words and what you're slingin around here. i was not speaking of houston - i quoted your comment about the heat and its effects on your team.

[watermock]

Whatever....that wasn't your argument. When did I say the Broncos wouldn't of lost anyway? I was talking about NFL rules. Go change them.

Did I say Denver would of won if Miami wore their away jerseys? I have explained that Miami has worn white at home for decades 3 times.

[ac_lanham]

cool, i'm glad you admitted it. that's all i was looking for. we have no idea why the phins chose the white. like my fellow fin fan posted, we wore white for 13 games last year. even in december at home. I don't think it has as much to do with the heat as they just look better. at any rate neither you nor i know the real reason.

but like i said, the uniforms did not matter today. this game, it did not matter. but we are in accordance, so its a moot point.

Yeah they had stopped wearing the all-white for a while until Wannstedt brought them back like sometime around 3-4 years. Yes, it CAN be an advantage but if this game were in November in Miami they probably would've worn white

[texasPHINS]

My argument is a little of both. :shrug: The line between the game and life has become a bit blurry for me the last couple years, after Korey Stringer, Thomas Herrion, the crippled NFL veterans like Earl Campbell, etc. Like I said in another thread, I love this game... but is it really to die for?

True, and that's where my inverse case broke down.

Wearing light or dark colors, however, does make a difference in avoiding heat exhaustion. Are you going to tell me that medical doctors have had that wrong over the years, when they've repeatedly advised people working in the sun to wear lighter colors?

Good thing I'm not looking for excuses for the Broncos! I think the coaching staff from Shanahan down and every player who stepped on the field should be held accountable for how poorly the team performed. I'm pretty confident that accountability will happen, too.

That said, I do think there are reasons that the Broncos turned in a crappy performance. See the difference? :-)

Regards,
m.

m, truth be told i really don't care about the uniform's colors issue. I was more looking to get that last comment out of you. To really quell the whole argument, i'd like to see you admit that we just out-played you today ;) in all your post i don't remember seeing you really give us credit in as much as you find reasons to fault on your own team ;)

[Casper Bronco]

Hey texasPHINS how about you put on some dark pants and a dark shirt and go stand out in the sun all day long in any city in 100+ heat and see how it feels

[watermock]

The fact is, the home team can choose the uniform. Denver was so pathetic it wouldn't of mattered, but that isn't the point. I'm done. The fact is the home team can name a jersey worn but has to give fair warning because visiting teams don't bring both sets. Period.

[ac_lanham]

Hey texasPHINS how about you put on some dark pants and a dark shirt and go stand out in the sun all day long in any city in 100+ heat and see how it feels

Dude, the Dolphins aren't immune from the heat either. I coulda been buck naked on the field and I would've been sweating....texasPHINS probably would have been too lol

[ac_lanham]

The fact is, the home team can choose the uniform. Denver was so pathetic it wouldn't of mattered, but that isn't the point. I'm done. The fact is the home team can name a jersey worn but has to give fair warning because visiting teams don't bring both sets. Period.

You, my friend, are a very knowledgeable fan. Good luck to your team the rest of the season

[PressCoverage]

* I think the league office needs to take a serious look at the way home teams manipulate the rules to maximize climate advantages. Why are home teams allowed to use their road uniforms when playing home games? Especially when it's an obvious move to place the visiting team at a further disadvantage? The Jaguars did it to the Broncos last year, the Chargers tried to do it, and the Dolphins did it this week. (The only reason the Chargers didn't get away with it was because Shanahan "forgot" to have the equipment staff pack the home blues.) The Dolphins can't do anything about the heat & humidity any more than the Broncos can thicken the air in Denver. When both teams have to deal with the same conditions, that's fair. But when the home team forces the visitors into their home colors, I call it blatant cheating. Everyone who's ever lived in a southern state knows the effect of wearing dark colors in the sun. It's time for the league office to address this issue.


this is about the most absurd sports argument i've ever heard uttered by a losing team's fan... Ya, the Dolphins cheated because they wear white and the Broncos had to wear Blue... Call 60 Minutes!

You're awesome...

[Tombstone RJ]

Your absolutely wrong and I allready explained why. Does Dallas wear Blue Uni's at home? Do the Cardinals? Does Miami?

So now your telling me that teams can't pick what jersey they can wear at home, and the visiting team can decide. The visiting team can decide what sideline they get. The visiting team can determine the lockerroom. What do you think the Miami and Dallas home jerseys look like? Or Arizona?

Are you so clueless you don't realize Dallas has worn white at home for 45 years?

If you want to change the rule, talk to Bowlen. This is stupid. I'm telling you, home team gets Jersey choice (rarely taken), sideline choice (rarely taken) and locker room choice (rarely taken).


No, what I'm saying is that their should be no choice at all. The home team should always wear the home uni and vice versa. As for the other stuff, you believe whatever you want to believe.

[texasPHINS]

Hey texasPHINS how about you put on some dark pants and a dark shirt and go stand out in the sun all day long in any city in 100+ heat and see how it feels
LoL, are you serious? I'm active duty military, wearing long-sleeve BDUs (camis), a black undershirt, long pants, black leather boots, and working outside in 100 degree heat everyday here in San Antonio. i manage just fine thank you. stay hydrated, not that hard.

but yeah, great argument otherwise.

[SHANARAT]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Stop making excuses!...When everyone was slinging smack in the finheaven forum, and Phin fans pointed out the heat advantage, Most of the Bronco posters scoffed at the idea of the heat having any effect on the game at all...because the Broncos were the "superior team"...Now you want to use it for an excuse. Puhlease!...You got spanked and spanked handily by a superior coaching staff, and a superior defense...And quite possibly judging by todays contest...a superior team!

[PressCoverage]

The Dolphins have worn white at home during day games since the 70s... And aqua at night. It's their perrogative, and the league's allowance... This is nothing new. Many teams in the four major sports change their home colors on a whim whenever they like. This argument holds no water, so to speak. ... And i echo the sentiment that it was Broncos fans dismissing heat as a factor all week on Finheaven.

I won't group all Broncos fans as being inherently dumb, as one genius here suggested of Miami fans... But squawking about unfair uniform color choices or suggesting visitors should "get a break" is really... well... dumb.

Miami can beat you at your place ('85, '99, '02) as a heavy underdog, why can't you at theirs?

[No1BroncoFan]

* I think the league office needs to take a serious look at the way home teams manipulate the rules to maximize climate advantages. Why are home teams allowed to use their road uniforms when playing home games? Especially when it's an obvious move to place the visiting team at a further disadvantage? The Jaguars did it to the Broncos last year, the Chargers tried to do it, and the Dolphins did it this week. (The only reason the Chargers didn't get away with it was because Shanahan "forgot" to have the equipment staff pack the home blues.) The Dolphins can't do anything about the heat & humidity any more than the Broncos can thicken the air in Denver. When both teams have to deal with the same conditions, that's fair. But when the home team forces the visitors into their home colors, I call it blatant cheating. Everyone who's ever lived in a southern state knows the effect of wearing dark colors in the sun. It's time for the league office to address this issue.
Before we get all high and mighty about this, I remember some early season games in seasons past where the Broncos chose the road whites at home to take best advantage of the field conditions. All the teams that don't play in domes can do the same thing. Personally, I'd ask the NFL to ban domes before I'd ask 'em to change the rules about uniforms. After all, football is an outdoor activity.

Ben

[Broncoman13]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! Stop making excuses!...When everyone was slinging smack in the finheaven forum, and Phin fans pointed out the heat advantage, Most of the Bronco posters scoffed at the idea of the heat having any effect on the game at all...because the Broncos were the "superior team"...Now you want to use it for an excuse. Puhlease!...You got spanked and spanked handily by a superior coaching staff, and a superior defense...And quite possibly judging by todays contest...a superior team!


MORE BS... Just about everybody said that was a definite advantage and even quoted the last 9 meetings in Miami as being proof positive of that!

[Cito Pelon]

Kudos to the Dolphins for earning a victory. I do hope we meet again. Maybe it will turn out the same way, but I do hope we meet again . . . . . . .

[watermock]

No, what I'm saying is that their should be no choice at all. The home team should always wear the home uni and vice versa. As for the other stuff, you believe whatever you want to believe.



Doesn't matter. A Miami WR ran over a Denver CB and the Denver CB got the flag. I didn't say it was fair, altho I think it is, what if Denver couldn't wear Orange because it wasn't the "official uniform"...how would you like that? I keep telling you that the home team can choose light or dark, the sideline, and the locker room. They also call the coin toss.

Miami can wear teal or white, it's ther choice. Just because Little Ricky fashoned that rediculous outfit Wanny designed doesn't mean they have to keep it.

[ac_lanham]

the Dolphins have worn white at home during day games since the 70s... And aqua at night. It's their perrogative, and the league's allowance... This is nothing new. Many teams in the four major sports change their home colors on a whim whenever they like. This argument holds no water, so to speak, and is extremely weak.

You're 0-7 in Miami. If you don't want to go 0-8, urge your team to drink 150 ounces of water every day for a full week, stretch vigorously and execute better.

Yeah, I've been trying to tell them PressCoverage, but they called it a boat load of horse chit and called me Dumbshiat lol

[No1BroncoFan]

No, what I'm saying is that their should be no choice at all. The home team should always wear the home uni and vice versa. As for the other stuff, you believe whatever you want to believe.
So, are we gonna force Dallas to change their home jersies to dark blue? Their home jersies are white.

Ben

[ac_lanham]

It's good to see not all Broncos fans are making excuses. Kudos guys, good luck to you the rest of this year, you've all been classy with the exception of Oskie

[SHANARAT]

MORE BS... Just about everybody said that was a definite advantage and even quoted the last 9 meetings in Miami as being proof positive of that!


All I'm saying is that most of the Bronco posters that were over there didn't see it as being a major factor in "today's" game...Because they were confident that DEN was just soooo much better than the "lowly" Dolphins...That the heat wasn't going to be a big deal. But now it seems that it must have been the heat and the jersey colors...Instead of maybe...just maybe...the Dolphins have a pretty damn good football team.

[Mile High Shack]

All I'm saying is that most of the Bronco posters that were over there didn't see it as being a major factor in "today's" game...Because they were confident that DEN was just soooo much better than the "lowly" Dolphins...That the heat wasn't going to be a big deal. But now it seems that it must have been the heat and the jersey colors...Instead of maybe...just maybe...the Dolphins have a pretty damn good football team.

it's definately not that

Denver is just not a good team to begin with, very average to mediocre, but you add in factors such as injuries and lack of conditioning and good play calling

you end up with what happened today, two average mediocre teams playing with one wanting it more today

[DEfinsE!]

Our house, our heat, that's home field advantage for ya.

we won by 24 do you really think us being in Aqua would make a difference.

Wait, better question. Did you expect us to wear aqua and put ourselves at a disadvantage at home? You got beat by 24 points, the better team today won. Stop trying to make excuses and man up to your loss.

[Mile High Shack]

Our house, our heat, that's home field advantage for ya.

we won by 24 do you really think us being in Aqua would make a difference.

Wait, better question. Did you expect us to wear aqua and put ourselves at a disadvantage at home? You got beat by 24 points, the better team today won. Stop trying to make excuses and man up to your loss.

who is doing that

name one fan who is saying we didn't get our asses kicked today?

go suck on a Dan Marino figurine, it's the one that comes with the optional AFC Championship ring of 1984 with it, his only hardware

[SHANARAT]

it's definately not that

Denver is just not a good team to begin with, very average to mediocre, but you add in factors such as injuries and lack of conditioning and good play calling

you end up with what happened today, two average mediocre teams playing with one wanting it more today


Well...you seem to have your head together about your team more than some did the past week...A lot of those posters were declaring the Broncos SuperBowl contenders. As for the Dolphins...They could go up to NY next week and do the same thing to the Jets and people will still say they are ordinary...But that's good as far as I'm concerned...Let them keep underestimating us.

[24champ]

Our house, our heat, that's home field advantage for ya.

we won by 24 do you really think us being in Aqua would make a difference.

Wait, better question. Did you expect us to wear aqua and put ourselves at a disadvantage at home? You got beat by 24 points, the better team today won. Stop trying to make excuses and man up to your loss.

im more worried about other sh** than how the heat effected our play, these players should be in tip top shape. The heat did have its toll but it wouldnt be much of a factor had we not have as many 3 and outs. I am worried about the play calling and wtf shanny thinking giving it to tater up the middle? Far as im concerned this is the worst game that could ever possibly happen. I give props to saban for having his team ready to roll. We need to forget this game and get on the practice field early tommorow morning to work on the basics of football because i didnt see any of it in todays game.

[2KBack]

Wow, what happened? I thought we'd get away without a postgame brawl. I guess it was to be expected to have a few of the Phinfan posters show up after some of the Maners went on a Smack Mission though. I think there is undue focus put on the Uniform choices. In theory I suppose having a darker uniform could be a small factor, but I don't see how you prove that. It was obvious the heat and humidity was, but I doubt light colored unis would have changed that. I do think it would be a good idea to make the early summer games later in the day in really hot areas though, that keeps things a bit safer for both teams.

If you read some of these other threads, No one here thinks the only reason we lost was the heat. No one will argue that it wasn't at least a small factor though.

I blame the Waterboy staff, they've gotta go

[PhinPhan1227]

Yes, I know that NFL players endanger their health every time they step on the field. And they're pretty well paid to take those risks. But are they paid well enough to face this extra risk? A blown-out knee is bad enough... but heatstroke kills.

Regards,
m.


Your concern for the players is touching. But I'm curious to know why you are ok with Miami's players dying of heatstroke? They will play several games in Miami's heat, where teams like Denver will only play one. Your reasoning would put Miami's players at risk several times, rather than just the once for other teams players. Here's a clue, it's called home field advantage for a reason. Ever see the difference between the visitors locker room and the home teams locker room in most stadiums? How about those winter games in places like Denver and Buffalo? If we are going to be fair, you guys should have all away games in December/January. The heat CERTAINLY plays a factor in Miami's September home record. No question. But choosing the uniform color is the right of every team in the NFL. It's called...once again...home field ADVANTAGE. I can understand complaining about it, but the "it's not safe" thing is garbage. It would be more dangerous for Miami's players to have 3-4 games in dark uni's than it is for a team to play 1.

[watermock]

who is doing that

name one fan who is saying we didn't get our asses kicked today?

go suck on a Dan Marino figurine, it's the one that comes with the optional AFC Championship ring of 1984 with it, his only hardware

And the built in French Tickler.

[DEfinsE!]

name one fan who is saying we didn't get our asses kicked today?



rather making excuses for why you did, ludicrous excuses.

You can take your shots at Marino. I mean, if that makes you feel better about the spanking then great. I'll make sure I think about you as I watch the highlights on sportscenter. :spit:

[watermock]

Your concern for the players is touching. But I'm curious to know why you are ok with Miami's players dying of heatstroke? They will play several games in Miami's heat, where teams like Denver will only play one.

Noone said that, it was an assertion

Your reasoning would put Miami's players at risk several times, rather than just the once for other teams players. Here's a clue, it's called home field advantage for a reason. Ever see the difference between the visitors locker room and the home teams locker room in most stadiums? How about those winter games in places like Denver and Buffalo? If we are going to be fair, you guys should have all away games in December/January. The heat CERTAINLY plays a factor in Miami's September home record. No question. But choosing the uniform color is the right of every team in the NFL.

First, noone want's to put Miami players at risk, or our own players. I explained the right to the ignorant earlier. I agree picking the uni color is the right of the home team, always has been.

It's called...once again...home field ADVANTAGE. I can understand complaining about it, but the "it's not safe" thing is garbage. It would be more dangerous for Miami's players to have 3-4 games in dark uni's than it is for a team to play 1.

I never said it "wasn't safe"...it was a matter of Denver being unprepared. That isn't Miami's fault, it's Denver's. Miami played in similiar heat, at least on the field. If Miami didn't provide enough Kool Fans I dunno. Seemed like they were quite short. It's hard to say since the coverage bordered on retarded.

[SHANARAT]

Wow, what happened? I thought we'd get away without a postgame brawl. I guess it was to be expected to have a few of the Phinfan posters show up after some of the Maners went on a Smack Mission though. I think there is undue focus put on the Uniform choices. In theory I suppose having a darker uniform could be a small factor, but I don't see how you prove that. It was obvious the heat and humidity was, but I doubt light colored unis would have changed that. I do think it would be a good idea to make the early summer games later in the day in really hot areas though, that keeps things a bit safer for both teams.

If you read some of these other threads, No one here thinks the only reason we lost was the heat. No one will argue that it wasn't at least a small factor though.

I blame the Waterboy staff, they've gotta go


I apologize for my Waah! post...that wasn't directed at most of you guys...I know you guys are pissed and I'm not here to rub it in...Now that this game is over I am definately pulling for your team to get it together for the rest of the AFC East...I know it doesn't seem like many positives came out of this game but Shanny will use it to your advantage...And Jake is still elusive as hell...I thought he broke Jason Taylors ankles a couple of times. I was curious about Durrants' injury too...I know he limped off at one point...He's a good player...You still have great LB's and the running game will come around...Good luck the rest of the way.

[2KBack]

I apologize for my Waah! post...that wasn't directed at most of you guys...I know you guys are pissed and I'm not here to rub it in...Now that this game is over I am definately pulling for your team to get it together for the rest of the AFC East...I know it doesn't seem like many positives came out of this game but Shanny will use it to your advantage...And Jake is still elusive as hell...I thought he broke Jason Taylors ankles a couple of times. I was curious about Durrants' injury too...I know he limped off at one point...He's a good player...You still have great LB's and the running game will come around...Good luck the rest of the way.


It's expected, we all love our teams. It would be nice to be able to leave things at "we got beat." Ain't happening though. I saw some very small postitives too, Darrent Williams being one of the (ironically he had cramps). I hope we dominate the AFC east from here on out, and I hope you crush the rest of the West.

[ac_lanham]

It's expected, we all love our teams. It would be nice to be able to leave things at "we got beat." Ain't happening though. I saw some very small postitives too, Darrent Williams being one of the (ironically he had cramps). I hope we dominate the AFC east from here on out, and I hope you crush the rest of the West.

THAT, my friend, is something we can all agree upon!

Good luck from here on Broncos, MY GF is a Broncos fan so I gotta pull for ya, just a lil though lol

[PhinPhan1227]

Noone said that, it was an assertion



First, noone want's to put Miami players at risk, or our own players. I explained the right to the ignorant earlier. I agree picking the uni color is the right of the home team, always has been.



I never said it "wasn't safe"...it was a matter of Denver being unprepared. That isn't Miami's fault, it's Denver's. Miami played in similiar heat, at least on the field. If Miami didn't provide enough Kool Fans I dunno. Seemed like they were quite short. It's hard to say since the coverage bordered on retarded.


I was responding to "sisterhellfyre". She made those assertions, as evidenced by her quote in my response. I also find it funny that a fan of the team which has made the chopblock famous would gripe about another team taking full advantage of the rules. I have no doubt that if Sisterhellfyre rooted for another AFCWest team he/she would be the first to call those blocks cheating, even though they fall well within the current rules.

[watermock]

We are not pissed, we are livid.

At least I am. Even Beezlebub is scared of me tonight and has a paw over his face on the comforter...It's 9 hours later and I'm still hot as a firecracker over such a performance.

[Ozzy says 34-10]

Yes, it's 115+ degrees on the field for both teams. My point is that the Broncos players, in the dark blue jerseys and standing on the sunny side of the field, were baking in their own shoulder pads. Stewing in their own sweat. For the Broncos, the effective field conditions were probably at least 125 degrees. If you don't believe me, try putting on a dark blue shirt and standing in the sun on a hot day. Strap on some pads under the shirt so they'll hold and retain the sun's heat. Better yet, with the pads and the dark shirt, run a mile. Will you make it?

I really am not all that concerned that the Broncos got beat by the "lowly" Dolphins, but the "all the time" part does bug me. What I am concerned about is what looks like a pattern of rules manipulation that could very well endanger players' health -- and not just the Broncos. Wasn't one Korey Stringer enough?

Yes, I know that NFL players endanger their health every time they step on the field. And they're pretty well paid to take those risks. But are they paid well enough to face this extra risk? A blown-out knee is bad enough... but heatstroke kills.



Horsefeathers. Miami's home jerseys are aqua with white numbers. But aqua is a darker color than white, so they hold more heat -- tho not as much as dark blue. I'd have to do some research to verify it, but I'll bet the aqua jerseys only come out after the month of September.

Regards,
m.



I think you may be onto something here. The Dolphins should be allowed to wear heated gloves and jerseys when they play in Denver, in December. I'm really worried that one of these downsouth players might freeze to death! hmmm...

You also might want to check into things before you write them. Miami's Home jerseys have always been white with aqua/orange lettering. They sometimes wear Aqua at home for a night game, but that did not start until the 80's.


I can't believe your crying about the heat, making it an excuse. Denver got beat by the better team this day. They may end up the better team by years end, but again, not today.

This is not smack, it's fact.

[ClevelandBronco2]

If you don't believe me, try putting on a dark blue shirt and standing in the sun on a hot day. Strap on some pads under the shirt so they'll hold and retain the sun's heat. Better yet, with the pads and the dark shirt, run a mile. Will you make it?

No, I won't. It's not part of my job description to make it. It's sure as hell part of the Broncos' players job description to be able to play under those conditions. It's not like the schedule was a secret until today.

Stop making weather-related excuses. You sound like an Oakland fan explaining why the Raiders lost to the Broncos in that snowy night game at our altitude last season.

(Wait a minute. The Raiders won that game, didn't they? How in the world were they able to do that? I'll go back and look at the score again. I mean, that just can't be right...)

The coach got outcoached. The players got outplayed. The Dolphins deserve the credit they earned.

34-10 isn't a weather thing. It's a football thing.

[HBK]

Well it is unfortunately within the rules for them to wear those colours as the home team who have their choice of jersey.

I think you have to look at it this way...if the Phins were playing in Denver in december they would be disadvataged by conditions. Of course we always play @ the florida teams in the first two weeks...grrr....

Anywho it is a valid argument that the health of the players is at a heightened risk in darker jerseys and for that it could possibly be changed.

[Sideburn]

Stop with this they were hot nonsense. The fake spent the first 19 minutes of the game throwing ducks. The line couldn't block old ladies from entering a golden corral, and the recievers couldn't catch a cold.

Denver got abused. Plain and simple. GG dolphin fans.

[Macnut]

On top of the heat they had to play on that thing they call a turf. They should outlaw a field that bad. Even the announcers were saying that was the worst field they seen.

[texasPHINS]

No, I won't. It's not part of my job description to make it. It's sure as hell part of the Broncos' players job description to be able to play under those conditions. It's not like the schedule was a secret until today.

Stop making weather-related excuses. You sound like an Oakland fan explaining why the Raiders lost to the Broncos in that snowy night game at our altitude last season.

(Wait a minute. The Raiders won that game, didn't they? How in the world were they able to do that? I'll go back and look at the score again. I mean, that just can't be right...)

The coach got outcoached. The players got outplayed. The Dolphins deserve the credit they earned.

34-10 isn't a weather thing. It's a football thing.
Hey! another smart Bronco fan. i knew they are out there, they just need to be coaxed out! :D

[watermock]

I think you may be onto something here. The Dolphins should be allowed to wear heated gloves and jerseys when they play in Denver, in December. I'm really worried that one of these downsouth players might freeze to death! hmmm...

You also might want to check into things before you write them. Miami's Home jerseys have always been white with aqua/orange lettering. They sometimes wear Aqua at home for a night game, but that did not start until the 80's.


I can't believe your crying about the heat, making it an excuse. Denver got beat by the better team this day. They may end up the better team by years end, but again, not today.

This is not smack, it's fact.

I agree, Denver could of worn Orange/White, but it's the home team to pick their jersey, and it's not like Miami changed, they have always worn whites.

[texasPHINS]

On top of the heat they had to play on that thing they call a turf. They should outlaw a field that bad. Even the announcers were saying that was the worst field they seen.
now THIS i agree with.

its the damn Marlins. Before they came about, we had a nice grassy field like everyone else. Now they are too cheap to get their own stadium, so we have to share. there IS a plan to build a stadium for them, but it won't open until 2k7. :(

[Sideburn]

now THIS i agree with.

its the damn Marlins. Before they came about, we had a nice grassy field like everyone else. Now they are too cheap to get their own stadium, so we have to share. there IS a plan to build a stadium for them, but it won't open until 2k7. :(
I've said it since Sandy Eggo and Oakland shared fields with their respective MLB teams. It should be outlawed. Playing in the dirt is ridiculous. Why not throw some sticker patches and broken glass in if we want to make it look like sandlot football.

[Ozzy says 34-10]

I agree, Denver could of worn Orange/White, but it's the home team to pick their jersey, and it's not like Miami changed, they have always worn whites.

Yup! It's been like this forever. White on white for home games.

The elements are what make the game fun. I bet my last buck that not one Bronco fan wants to hear another teams fan complain about thin air, or snow right?

I've never, ever registered to another teams message board, but after reading the original post I was amazed, no, I was stunned so I had to add my three cents.

[RhymesayersDU]

I've said it since Sandy Eggo and Oakland shared fields with their respective MLB teams. It should be outlawed. Playing in the dirt is ridiculous. Why not throw some sticker patches and broken glass in if we want to make it look like sandlot football.
I made the exact same comment to my roomate while watching the game today. They shouldn't even allow teams to share stadiums. There is no reason to play on dirt.

[texasPHINS]

I made the exact same comment to my roomate while watching the game today. They shouldn't even allow teams to share stadiums. There is no reason to play on dirt.
We don't choose to play on dirt. It is done out of necessity, as the Marlins don't have their own stadium. How can the NFL make a rule about that when it comes down to finances?

EDIT: this thread should be renamed "the weak excuse thread", as that is all that is in here...

[ElwayRocks]

Stop with this they were hot nonsense. The fake spent the first 19 minutes of the game throwing ducks. The line couldn't block old ladies from entering a golden corral, and the recievers couldn't catch a cold.

Denver got abused. Plain and simple. GG dolphin fans.

Good post!

[RhymesayersDU]

I think I may be in the minority here, but I'm glad Miami is allowed to use the white jerseys in the extreme Heat. I'm glad for players gripping oxygen masks for dear life when they come to Denver. I'm glad for the frozen tundra @ lambeau in December. I'm glad for Giants' stadium when they used to open up the doors and the winds would swirl around and make it hell on kickers.

I wish they would outlaw domes, as somebody mentioned above. I love each city, stadium, etc having a certain uniqueness (is that a word?) to it. That's what makes the games that much more exciting.

[Pezman]

I remember the days of the Denver Bears, Denver Zephers, and Colorado Rockies sharing the dirt with the Broncos and it never came up as an excuse before. I'd like to reach for straws and blame everything I could for this loss except the one, no two things that really caused it...

Coaching, players executing. Nuff said. We didnt sack up and play 60 minutes of ball today regardless of any weather related, field condition related, solar eclipse related BS. We just got punched in the mouth by a supposedly weaker team. I give props to the fins for sneaking up and kicking our butts today. They earned it, we sucked... end of story.

[RhymesayersDU]

We don't choose to play on dirt. It is done out of necessity, as the Marlins don't have their own stadium. How can the NFL make a rule about that when it comes down to finances?

EDIT: this thread should be renamed "the weak excuse thread", as that is all that is in here...
Don't misunderstand me. I wasn't making an excuse. Elam kicked just fine off it. My original post had nothing to do with today's outcome. I just think, in general, the teams should have seperate stadiums. That goes for Oakland, SD, and anybody else. I just think it looks bad personally.

Obviously you're right, it's an issue of finances and available space, etc, that each city has to deal with on it's own.

[texasPHINS]

I think I may be in the minority here, but I'm glad Miami is allowed to use the white jerseys in the extreme Heat. I'm glad for players gripping oxygen masks for dear life when they come to Denver. I'm glad for the frozen tundra @ lambeau in December. I'm glad for Giants' stadium when they used to open up the doors and the winds would swirl around and make it hell on kickers.

I wish they would outlaw domes, as somebody mentioned above. I love each city, stadium, etc having a certain uniqueness (is that a word?) to it. That's what makes the games that much more exciting.
i agree.

really off topic here, but i always loved the band at the Redskin's home... it really lends a collegiate atmosphere to the games. I also enjoy the ship at Tampa, and the cannons it fires when they score. all good stuff!

[ClevelandBronco2]

I made the exact same comment to my roomate while watching the game today. They shouldn't even allow teams to share stadiums. There is no reason to play on dirt.

More BS excuses. Remember a couple of Elway AFC Championship victories on that ridiculous venue that was Cleveland Municipal Stadium? Who blamed that crap on a multi-use stadium?

Is that really all we have left, to blame 34-10 on heat and baseball? This may be the lamest crap I've ever witnessed on the OM.

[texasPHINS]

Don't misunderstand me. I wasn't making an excuse. Elam kicked just fine off it. My original post had nothing to do with today's outcome. I just think, in general, the teams should have seperate stadiums. That goes for Oakland, SD, and anybody else. I just think it looks bad personally.

Obviously you're right, it's an issue of finances and available space, etc, that each city has to deal with on it's own.
yep. no one likes it - not even the dolphins. Last year Mare struggled mightily with the dirt and kicking off it.... plus we had numerous injuries attributed to it. so yeah, no one likes it... but necessity dictates...

[watermock]

Who made an exuse for dirt? I didn't! I think it's ludicrous, but if that's the way it is, that's the way it is.

[RhymesayersDU]

More BS excuses. Remember a couple of Elway AFC Championship victories on that ridiculous venue that was Cleveland Municipal Stadium? Who blamed that crap on a multi-use stadium?

Is that really all we have left, to blame 34-10 on heat and baseball? This may be the lamest crap I've ever witnessed on the OM.
Try reading my explanation of the original comments, post #95.

Thanks in advance.

[RhymesayersDU]

i agree.

really off topic here, but i always loved the band at the Redskin's home... it really lends a collegiate atmosphere to the games. I also enjoy the ship at Tampa, and the cannons it fires when they score. all good stuff!
I dig the cannon @ Tampa, I also like the viking horn for 1st downs @ Minnesota.

[texasPHINS]

Who made an exuse for dirt? I didn't! I think it's ludicrous, but if that's the way it is, that's the way it is.
i think you don't understand how "quoting" works on bulletin boards.

no one has ever disagreed with you in this thread - you have made great points. yet when any of us respond to someone else, you counter as if we were talking to you.

you are fine, relax!

[RhymesayersDU]

i think you don't understand how "quoting" works on bulletin boards.

no one has ever disagreed with you in this thread - you have made great points. yet when any of us respond to someone else, you counter as if we were talking to you.

you are fine, relax!
texas just became my new favorite poster here.

"You don't know how quoting works" @ mock, ****ing hysterical.

rep my man, major rep here.

[ClevelandBronco2]

Try reading my explanation of the original comments, post #95.

Thanks in advance.

Shove it, boy. I wasn't talking to you and I'm sure as hell not listening to you.

[RhymesayersDU]

Shove it, boy. I wasn't talking to you and I'm sure as hell not listening to you.
You quoted me but you weren't talking to me?

So can you just not read, or just a little slow?

Maybe a combo of both?

Your name would imply you're from Cleveland, so that's par for the course over there.

[watermock]

texas just became my new favorite poster here.

"You don't know how quoting works" @ mock, ****ing hysterical.

rep my man, major rep here.

Yeah, I don't know how quoting works.

I didn't know texas was a poster here DU. And he gets rep too? Impressive for somthing without a name or capital letter.

[ClevelandBronco2]

You quoted me but you weren't talking to me?

So can you just not read, or just a little slow?

Maybe a combo of both?

Your name would imply you're from Cleveland, so that's par for the course over there.

I quoted an idiotic post to make a point to the readers who aren't idiots.

[RhymesayersDU]

Yeah, I don't know how quoting works.

I didn't know texas was a poster here DU. And he gets rep too? Impressive for somthing without a name or capital letter.
I'm seriously rolling over here. The fact that he claimed you of all people didn't know how the board worked... That is just pure comedy.

[RhymesayersDU]

I quoted an idiotic post to make a point to the readers who aren't idiots.
Well at least you proved my point... You can't read, and you are in fact a little slow. Had you read further, you'd know that nobody is making the dirt out to be an excuse.

But again, as we've established, you're on a slightly different curve, being from Cleveland and all. What is the literacy rate over there, anyways?

[ClevelandBronco2]

Well at least you proved my point... You can't read, and you are in fact a little slow. Had you read further, you'd know that nobody is making the dirt out to be an excuse.

But again, as we've established, you're on a slightly different curve, being from Cleveland and all. What is the literacy rate over there, anyways?

Low enough that I agree with most of what you have to say on the War, Politics and Religion forum.

[RhymesayersDU]

Low enough that I agree with most of what you have to say on the War, Politics and Religion forum.
rofl rofl rofl

Nice try! Study harder, then try again.

[watermock]

That explains half of it.

[ClevelandBronco2]

rofl rofl rofl

Nice try! Study harder, then try again.

Waiting for a comeback, son...

[Crushaholic]

Low enough that I agree with most of what you have to say on the War, Politics and Religion forum.

Speaking of which...Yo mamma's so fat...

nm... Ha!

Back on topic, I was embarrassed and angry at the Broncos performance. I'll give all the credit in the world to the Dolphins players who made the plays it took to win. However, the Broncos players made plenty of mistakes and it's time to get them corrected. If we win all (or most) of our games before the bye, this game will be reduced to a pathetic footnote...

[sisterhellfyre]

m, truth be told i really don't care about the uniform's colors issue. I was more looking to get that last comment out of you. To really quell the whole argument, i'd like to see you admit that we just out-played you today ;) in all your post i don't remember seeing you really give us credit in as much as you find reasons to fault on your own team ;)

True, you haven't. I haven't said a whole lot about the Dolphins in this thread cuz I honestly don't know a whole lot about them -- especially with a brand-new coaching staff. I don't follow the Dolphins. My first concern, as a Broncos fan, was with my team's miserable performance on the field today.

For me it's all about context: this was the first of 16 games. I don't believe this Bronco team is as bad as they looked today. I'm not sure I've seen *any* NFL team look that bad since the Bengals of the early 90s. They have a lot to prove to me now. Was this loss a solitary fubar? One of several low points still to come in a roller coaster season? Or... worse? I don't know yet, simply cuz the games haven't been played.

Conversely, I'm not ready yet to say the Dolphins are as good as they looked today. They played a good game today, and yes, they not only beat the Broncos, they kicked my team's butt. The same question applies again... a single high point for their year? Or what? I'll bet there were several reasons the 'Phins went 4-12 last year. How many of those reasons will reappear?

These days that's about as close as I get to rave reviews this early in the season. I used to get much more emotionally involved in the games, to the point that a loss like this would have left me depressed and angry until at least Wednesday. Call it maturing, call it whatever you like, but I had to step back from that ego investment and realize... it's just a game. Entertainment. There are more important things in my life than what happens on a football field.

I will be keeping an eye on the 'Phins, tho, to see where they go from here and how they follow up this win. Should be interesting. :-)

Regards,
m.

[RhymesayersDU]

Waiting for a comeback, son...
There's no need for a comeback when you basically spelled it out for everybody. People who mainly hang out on that forum (see: LABF, others) are all nutjobs.

But, the good thing is, you've identified the problem, and can move forward with correcting it. The sad thing is, with the moronic things you post on this forum, I bet the War forum has got to be hysterical.

Mock already pinned it:
That explains half of it.

The other half of it is that you're a product of your environment, as we've previously established.

[ClevelandBronco2]

There's no need for a comeback when you basically spelled it out for everybody. People who mainly hang out on that forum (see: LABF, others) are all nutjobs.

But, the good thing is, you've identified the problem, and can move forward with correcting it. The sad thing is, with the moronic things you post on this forum, I bet the War forum has got to be hysterical.

Mock already pinned it:


The other half of it is that you're a product of your environment, as we've previously established.

That was pretty good. I'll bet you'd do better when you're sober.

Give it a try.

[Meck77]

It's 3:30 am and this is my first post game comment. It took me atleast an hour or so to read up on what's going on here and I was ready to comment on some other threads but I figure this is as good as place as any.

OF ALL the excuses I've ever seen for an asswhooping I'm embarrased that an Orangemaner was the originator of the "It's not fair we had to wear darker jerseys and we had to stand on the hotter side of the field" excuse. WTF?

Yeah the Heat sucks but let's not forget the fins punked us in our house not long ago. Somehow the cold or elevation wasn't needed as an excuse now was it? Every stadium has unique features or weather patterns that give the home team the advantage. That's the beauty of the game. Props to the fins for one helluva game plan and the execution of it. :notworthy

I watched two highschool football games in my backyard the other day. The home team chooses the side that borders my backyard. Why because there is shade there for the team and the fans. I also bring the hose out to cool the kids down. Not once in the 5 years since I have done this for the early season games has the opposing team or fans complained. What you call unfair I call HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE and we need to help bring it back. :boxing:

We got beat down and everyone involved is responsible from Pat Bowlen (yes I'm calling him out). It's time to kick some people under you in the ass to get this team better prepared. This is your business and there are people treating this team like a Back to Back Superbowl team still. It's not. This team is a Back to Back Playoff Blowout team. Mr. Bowlen you need to instill the hunger back into everyone below you from the Coach, to the players, to "Wine and Cheese fans" that have infested your stadium.

To put things in perspective this is just one loss but you have to wonder how much worse it could have been had Ricky Williams been active *shudder*.

Mr. Bowlen I will put on my orange glasses next week and raise hell for 4 quarters and I will do my best to get other Broncos fans to do the same but I really believe it's time you put the fear into the complacent components of your business because they obviously don't share the same Mission Statement as yours.

[Broncoman13]

now THIS i agree with.

its the damn Marlins. Before they came about, we had a nice grassy field like everyone else. Now they are too cheap to get their own stadium, so we have to share. there IS a plan to build a stadium for them, but it won't open until 2k7. :(


The field was poor but both teams played on the same field under the same poor conditions. I will say that Champs injury is probably 85% field related. He slipped on the "infield" when trying to plant. Without his feet he was just a body in the way of a good sized RB. Without his feet he couldn't deliver a blow and was unbalanced. Again, this has nothing to do with the Dolphins team, but the field conditions were piss poor and Champ going down effected us GREATLY!

[PhinPhan1227]

Well it is unfortunately within the rules for them to wear those colours as the home team who have their choice of jersey.

I think you have to look at it this way...if the Phins were playing in Denver in december they would be disadvataged by conditions. Of course we always play @ the florida teams in the first two weeks...grrr....

Anywho it is a valid argument that the health of the players is at a heightened risk in darker jerseys and for that it could possibly be changed.


One team is going to wear dark jerseys. Is it better to have Miami players wear them 4-5 times, or visitig teams just once?

[Circle Orange]

It's a sure sign of hard times when jersey colors are used as a main reason for a loss. :boohoo:

[Old Dude]

Home field is supposed to be an advantage. God knows we do everything we can do to take advantage of the cold and altitude and crowd noise here.

Fact is that the heat really didn't play a factor until later in the game, by which time we'd already blown multiple opportunities to take control of things.

The heat was secondary. Our pathetic offensive efforts are what really burned out our D.