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Bronco_Beerslug
09-09-2005, 12:49 PM
Interesting article! Do people here think it's a good idea to sell China nuclear reactors?

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August 09, 2005
Why is America’s VP Lobbying for a Boost in China’s Nuclear Capability?

By Paul Craig Roberts

What I have noticed about conservatives and Republicans is that they are no longer conservative and Republican. They believe in the efficacy of force. If we are losing in Iraq, it is because we are not using enough force. All we have to do to win in Iraq, they maintain, is to nuke the towel heads. In case you have forgotten, Rich Lowry, editor of National Review, suggested that the US nuke Mecca in retaliation for a terrorist attack.

Conservative Ann Coulter was more mild, no doubt due to her feminine nature. Her solution to Islam was to "invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

Determined to win, conservatives and Republicans are willing to nuke Iraq. Precisely what they would be winning, they cannot identify. But they believe that with sufficient force, America can teach those on the receiving end a lesson and make them do what the Bush administration wants. That is the extent of the brainpower that conservatives and Republicans bring to war and diplomacy.

Conservatives and Republicans used to be people who thought it was America’s business to avoid wars and to govern well at home. It was Democrats who involved us in wars—World War I, World War II, Korea, and Vietnam all started under Democratic presidents.

Governing well at home meant being suspicious of government power, not giving government cart blanche with Orwellian legislation called "the Patriot Act." I can remember when conservatives and Republicans would have gone berserk if Democrats had identified patriotism with the police state legislation called "the Patriot Act."

You can’t learn a word of this from rightwing talk radio or Fox "News." According to these war-mongering propagandists, Democrats (read Jane Fonda and John Kerry) are squishy pacifists who want the commies to take over the world. Democrats always run away once a shot is fired, say the rightwing crazies, and believe terrorists are people who had a bad childhood.

As a result of the influence of Israel’s neoconservative supporters and evangelicals expecting The Rapture, conservatives and Republicans are focused on the Middle East. They are apoplectic over Iran’s nuclear power program. If Iran has a nuclear power program, Iran might be able to produce a nuclear weapon in ten years. Vice President Cheney has ordered a plan for the US to use tactical nuclear weapons to take out Iran’s capability should an excuse arise.

That would be the third Islamic country the US would have attacked in as many years. All hell would break loose. Meanwhile, the chairman of the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission has announced that the Commission will approve Westinghouse’s sale of two nuclear reactors to China.

Conservatives and Republicans think this is a good idea. Vice President Cheney has lobbied in behalf of the sale. It is good for private business. It means $2.4 billion in revenues for Westinghouse Electric Company.

Iran will never again be a world power, even if it has a few nukes. Persia was a power in ancient times, not today. If we don’t bother Iran, Iran won’t bother us.

China is a different matter. China already is a world power. China holds enough US government debt to have the dollar and US interest rates in its hand. Last month in an official briefing a top Chinese general, Zhu Chenghu, said that if the US messes around with China or tries to interfere with China’s reunification with Taiwan, China will nuke the US: "If the Americans are determined to interfere, then we will be determined to respond. We Chinese will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all the cities east of Xian. Of course, the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese."

VP Cheney and the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission want to make sure China has what it takes to do the job.

The moronic Bush administration is all concerned about "weapons of mass destruction" where they aren’t, not where they are. Why in the world is the Bush administration using up the US military and its weapons systems in Iraq, a country that was no threat whatsoever to the US, while aiding and abetting China’s rapidly growing economic and military power?

Having asked this question, I will receive 1,000 emails from Bush worshippers who will indignantly inquire why I am demonizing China. I am not demonizing China. I am simply asking a question about the intelligence of the Bush administration.

Bush’s supporters, of course, are busy at work demonizing landlocked Middle Eastern states that have nothing but fanatical insurgents to ward off US military attacks on their homelands.

The conservative movement has disappeared. The Republican Party has disappeared. The two have morphed into a brownshirt movement that worships coercion and a strutting little marionette who believes he can threaten peoples into submission.

Why does Cheney want to sell nuclear reactors to China, but order the US Strategic Command to prepare to nuke Iran’s nuclear power capability, a capability that would allow Iran to sell more oil to an energy-starved world?

What’s going on here?

Dr. Roberts, [email him] a former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal and a former Contributing Editor of National Review, was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during the Reagan administration. He is the author of The Supply-Side Revolution and, with Lawrence M. Stratton, of The Tyranny of Good Intentions : How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice. Click here for Peter Brimelow’s Forbes Magazine interview with Roberts about the recent epidemic of prosecutorial misconduct.
http://tinyurl.com/cudrk

Rascal
09-09-2005, 12:59 PM
How many reactors and nuclear secrets did Clinton give to North Korea and China?

Bronco_Beerslug
09-09-2005, 01:15 PM
How many reactors and nuclear secrets did Clinton give to North Korea and China?

I don't know, how many? I guess the Bush cartel gets a pass no matter what they do. All anyone has to do is come up with "didn't Clinton do that or worse"?

BKK
09-09-2005, 01:31 PM
Interesting article! Do people here think it's a good idea to sell China nuclear reactors?

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August 09, 2005
Why is America’s VP Lobbying for a Boost in China’s Nuclear Capability?

By Paul Craig Roberts

What I have noticed about conservatives and Republicans is that they are no longer conservative and Republican. They believe in the efficacy of force. If we are losing in Iraq, it is because we are not using enough force. All we have to do to win in Iraq, they maintain, is to nuke the towel heads. In case you have forgotten, Rich Lowry, editor of National Review, suggested that the US nuke Mecca in retaliation for a terrorist attack.

Conservative Ann Coulter was more mild, no doubt due to her feminine nature. Her solution to Islam was to "invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

Determined to win, conservatives and Republicans are willing to nuke Iraq. Precisely what they would be winning, they cannot identify. But they believe that with sufficient force, America can teach those on the receiving end a lesson and make them do what the Bush administration wants. That is the extent of the brainpower that conservatives and Republicans bring to war and diplomacy.

Conservatives and Republicans used to be people who thought it was America’s business to avoid wars and to govern well at home. It was Democrats who involved us in wars—World War I, World War II, Korea, and Vietnam all started under Democratic presidents.

Governing well at home meant being suspicious of government power, not giving government cart blanche with Orwellian legislation called "the Patriot Act." I can remember when conservatives and Republicans would have gone berserk if Democrats had identified patriotism with the police state legislation called "the Patriot Act."

You can’t learn a word of this from rightwing talk radio or Fox "News." According to these war-mongering propagandists, Democrats (read Jane Fonda and John Kerry) are squishy pacifists who want the commies to take over the world. Democrats always run away once a shot is fired, say the rightwing crazies, and believe terrorists are people who had a bad childhood.

As a result of the influence of Israel’s neoconservative supporters and evangelicals expecting The Rapture, conservatives and Republicans are focused on the Middle East. They are apoplectic over Iran’s nuclear power program. If Iran has a nuclear power program, Iran might be able to produce a nuclear weapon in ten years. Vice President Cheney has ordered a plan for the US to use tactical nuclear weapons to take out Iran’s capability should an excuse arise.

That would be the third Islamic country the US would have attacked in as many years. All hell would break loose. Meanwhile, the chairman of the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission has announced that the Commission will approve Westinghouse’s sale of two nuclear reactors to China.

Conservatives and Republicans think this is a good idea. Vice President Cheney has lobbied in behalf of the sale. It is good for private business. It means $2.4 billion in revenues for Westinghouse Electric Company.

Iran will never again be a world power, even if it has a few nukes. Persia was a power in ancient times, not today. If we don’t bother Iran, Iran won’t bother us.

China is a different matter. China already is a world power. China holds enough US government debt to have the dollar and US interest rates in its hand. Last month in an official briefing a top Chinese general, Zhu Chenghu, said that if the US messes around with China or tries to interfere with China’s reunification with Taiwan, China will nuke the US: "If the Americans are determined to interfere, then we will be determined to respond. We Chinese will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all the cities east of Xian. Of course, the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese."

VP Cheney and the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission want to make sure China has what it takes to do the job.

The moronic Bush administration is all concerned about "weapons of mass destruction" where they aren’t, not where they are. Why in the world is the Bush administration using up the US military and its weapons systems in Iraq, a country that was no threat whatsoever to the US, while aiding and abetting China’s rapidly growing economic and military power?

Having asked this question, I will receive 1,000 emails from Bush worshippers who will indignantly inquire why I am demonizing China. I am not demonizing China. I am simply asking a question about the intelligence of the Bush administration.

Bush’s supporters, of course, are busy at work demonizing landlocked Middle Eastern states that have nothing but fanatical insurgents to ward off US military attacks on their homelands.

The conservative movement has disappeared. The Republican Party has disappeared. The two have morphed into a brownshirt movement that worships coercion and a strutting little marionette who believes he can threaten peoples into submission.

Why does Cheney want to sell nuclear reactors to China, but order the US Strategic Command to prepare to nuke Iran’s nuclear power capability, a capability that would allow Iran to sell more oil to an energy-starved world?

What’s going on here?

Dr. Roberts, [email him] a former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal and a former Contributing Editor of National Review, was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during the Reagan administration. He is the author of The Supply-Side Revolution and, with Lawrence M. Stratton, of The Tyranny of Good Intentions : How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the Constitution in the Name of Justice. Click here for Peter Brimelow’s Forbes Magazine interview with Roberts about the recent epidemic of prosecutorial misconduct.
http://tinyurl.com/cudrk

Well, I think they will get them from somebody, so why dont we make a buck, we are codependent with China at this time. also if we can curb some of their enrgy needs with nuclear there will be less demand on the worlds supply of oil and maybe bring the price down or at least leave more for ourselves. Iran, well they have been on our s***list for some time, if they continue to support unrest in Iraq, we will probably make them pay one way or another

Rascal
09-09-2005, 01:33 PM
Go ahead and try to deny it slug...you know you have no leg to stand on in that argument. Clinton did both repeatedly and the evidence is beyond damning. If you are going to deny it then I have nothing to say because I've posted ample evidence before and I'm not going to waste my time searching it for you.

Pretty hypocriical comment considering the link I posted earlier regarding that senator and DSCC. :thumbsup:

All anyone has to do is come up with "didn't Bush do that or worse"? LOL!!!!!

bendog
09-09-2005, 02:00 PM
Well bushii did too. Guess who owned Loreal .... bushii and Carlyle. But I don't think that's really the pt. China has nuke bombs. If we can sell them reactors and cut down on greenhouse gas it may be a good idea. I'm not sure where they'll store the waste ... maybe tibet?

Bronco_Beerslug
09-09-2005, 03:52 PM
Go ahead and try to deny it slug...you know you have no leg to stand on in that argument. Clinton did both repeatedly and the evidence is beyond damning. If you are going to deny it then I have nothing to say because I've posted ample evidence before and I'm not going to waste my time searching it for you.

Pretty hypocriical comment considering the link I posted earlier regarding that senator and DSCC. :thumbsup:

All anyone has to do is come up with "didn't Bush do that or worse"? LOL!!!!!
I'm not denying anything. I just said show me he did. Is this your reason why it's OK for Cheney to nuke up China?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-09-2005, 05:04 PM
How many reactors and nuclear secrets did Clinton give to North Korea and China?

rofl

Is that why, after an eight-year fishing expedition, all the GOP could come up with was a blowjob scandal?

:D

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-09-2005, 05:08 PM
Do people here think it's a good idea to sell China nuclear reactors?

Sure, as long as Snarl has an 'R' after his name.

Just like the same wingnuts were willing to look the other way when Sneer was doing business illegally with Saddam Hussein as recently as 2000.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
09-09-2005, 05:10 PM
Clinton did both repeatedly and the evidence is beyond damning.

ROFL!

"Beyond damning?"

Then why, after an eight-year witch hunt, did the reich wing have to settle for Monica?

Spider
09-09-2005, 05:54 PM
Figures Cheney would be doing this , Cheney is in it for the Buck , he could care less about America and her well being ...... Check out Haliburton doing business with Iraq during Sanctions ...... See Haliburton under Cheney working with Burma , in fact go look at Bush geat in 2000 , you wont find a Item that wasnt made in Berma ... This is past Rep or Dem for me , I say Cheney/Bush didnt give a Rats ass about 9-11 , they dont give a rats ass about Homeland security see our borders , and they dont give a rats ass about Katrina refugees . America could go up in a cloud of Dust as far as these 2 are concerned as long as there is a buck in it for them ...........

GonzoLays
09-10-2005, 09:57 AM
Figures Cheney would be doing this , Cheney is in it for the Buck , he could care less about America and her well being ...... Check out Haliburton doing business with Iraq during Sanctions ...... See Haliburton under Cheney working with Burma , in fact go look at Bush geat in 2000 , you wont find a Item that wasnt made in Berma ... This is past Rep or Dem for me , I say Cheney/Bush didnt give a Rats ass about 9-11 , they dont give a rats ass about Homeland security see our borders , and they dont give a rats ass about Katrina refugees . America could go up in a cloud of Dust as far as these 2 are concerned as long as there is a buck in it for them ...........

If people know this Spider, then why do you think they voted for these clowns?