What happened to Bush?? [Archive] - The Orange Mane

Atlas

09-04-2005, 12:34 AM

Bronco9798

09-04-2005, 12:47 AM

I have never been a GWB supporter but after 911 I was right behind him. Remember his first speech after 911 how passioned it was. How you could feel the sadness in the air and thought for sure he was going to shed a tear. Remember when he held the badge of a fallen police officer given to him by his wife and you could see his jaw tremble a little.

Well, what happened to him? Has he become used to death and dying? Does he think he is untouchable and above critcism? He showed so much disinterest in this disaster he didn't even want to cut his 5 week vacation short.

Maybe my hatred for him has clouded my perception but I was looking for that same passion he had for the poor people of Louisianna as he had for the victims of 911. There wasn't any. Again all I saw was the Maverick Cowboy where life is cheap even if it is American life. He was never rattled and never in a hurry. He gave the same blaze' boring new conferences and statements. I wanted to see a passioned President that had a sense of urgency and was motivated by the situation. I diodn't see that man. To me it seems that we now have a President that is overly confident and less caring than the one that was elected in 2000.

Sometimes actions speak louder than words. Have you noticed the response the last two days. Have you seen improvement?

Sure, there were delays and you're going to try to hammer me on the quick response time in the beginning. With a huge natural disaster like this, there is going to be delays, there is going to be confusion. It happens and yes lives are going to be lost unfortunately, you try to minimize them. You cant save every life in a situation like this.

There is blame to be laid for some failures. There were also obstacles in the way in getting an all out response immediately.

Take a step back and realize this disaster was of epic proportions. There was no way to save every single life. But instead of laying blame, try to realize that people are now making heroic efforts to save lives and do what they can. I have seen some truly heroic things the last two days and am proud to be an American watching these people save lives.

Appreciate the tasks and the missions that are being accomplaished right now and in the same sense remember the poor people that lost their lives.

This disaster was not in a small area, it covered three states and caused chaos from the onset. We all sit at home and watch on TV. We're not there and we don't have all the information readily available to us to really understand what went wrong at the onset of this thing.

This is one huge tragedy but people are trying to make it better.

Spider

09-04-2005, 02:36 AM

sure , there will be delays , Bush did everything he could . Nothing more he could do ...... Although he did get help fast to the Tsunami awfull damn fast , but that was different , Indonisia is thousands of miles away , huge difference and lets not forget N.O. had it comming , these people .. oops there I go again damn bleeding heart liberal ... These rat bastard welfare living parasites , should have had more commen sense to live in a place like New orleans ......... First they suck up all of the Iraq war money , with their damn welfare , now they are even more of bigger burden ........

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-04-2005, 02:46 AM

Can we just edit Bronco9798's post down to "don't criticize Bush?"

That's about the long and short of it.

Spider

09-04-2005, 02:56 AM

Can we just edit Bronco9798's post down to "don't criticize Bush?"

That's about the long and short of it.
LOL , it is amazing how far people will go to carry water for Bush .......Dont worry about the timming just sit back in amazment at whats being done now Hilarious! ......Dont waste time trying to blame someone , Hilarious! meanwhile it took Congress only , i repeat only 5 days to get some money to N.O. .. at that break neck speed , I am thankfull no one in Congress was hurt ..... Hilarious!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-04-2005, 03:14 AM

LOL , it is amazing how far people will go to carry water for Bush .......Dont worry about the timming just sit back in amazment at whats being done now Hilarious! ......Dont waste time trying to blame someone , Hilarious! meanwhile it took Congress only , i repeat only 5 days to get some money to N.O. .. at that break neck speed , I am thankfull no one in Congress was hurt ..... Hilarious!

Not only did it take Bush five days to finish golfing, playing guitar, and eating birthday cake - Bush was cutting all of the funding and programs that were needed to prepare for this kind of disaster a long f_cking time ago.

Those few morons left in America who still support Bush have demonstrated beyond any doubt that they place party and politics before country - no matter what.

Spider

09-04-2005, 03:27 AM

Not only did it take Bush five days to finish golfing, playing guitar, and eating birthday cake - Bush was cutting all of the funding and programs that were needed to prepare for this kind of disaster a long f_cking time ago.

Those few morons left in America who still support Bush have demonstrated beyond any doubt that they place party and politics before country - no matter what.
even above fellow Americans , i just watched that piece on Fox news with Shep Smith and Geraldo , Kudos to those guys for getting it . This shouldnt be Rep or a Dem thing , this should be about getting help to those people , saving those lives . And they are not getting this help , so we have to attack the president and make this political ...... It is just so sick , so disheartning .........
Fellow Americans who i admit I didnt give a rats ass about 2 weeks ago , are in dire need of help ........

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-04-2005, 04:35 AM

"This is a supreme test of Bush's leadership at a time when resources are thin and his approval ratings are perilously low," poll expert John Zogby told Reuters. "The president is going to have to do a lot more than a 25-minute flyover."

How many times does he get to retake the test?

I believe we have more than enough data to make an assessment.

TheDave

09-04-2005, 07:15 AM

Atlas

09-04-2005, 07:44 AM

Those few morons left in America who still support Bush have demonstrated beyond any doubt that they place party and politics before country - no matter what.

Morons is a little harsh. I prefer misguided.

TailgateNut

09-04-2005, 10:01 AM

Lets take this a step further... What happened to everyone? Where is the leadership? Our pres takes a few extra days on vacation, Chenney is still on vacation (or is he dead? i haven't seen him since the VP debate), congress take about 4-5 days to come back to work... where the hell is everyone...anyone?

Honestely at this point i'ld get rid of the whole bunch and start over...

AMEN!!! I always though they were supposed to represent our interests, not only theirs!
I'd also like to add, I wont respond to those who think I'm making this a partisan issue, I would have jumped on Bill's a$$ also, for a similar response!

DBruleU

09-04-2005, 10:25 AM

LOL , it is amazing how far people will go to carry water for Bush .......Dont worry about the timming just sit back in amazment at whats being done now Hilarious! ......Dont waste time trying to blame someone , Hilarious! meanwhile it took Congress only , i repeat only 5 days to get some money to N.O. .. at that break neck speed , I am thankfull no one in Congress was hurt ..... Hilarious!

Wow!!! A record 4 smileys on one sentence/paraghraph/allthoughtsthrowntogether. Here is a tip I learned in the 10th grade spider. One period at the end of a sentence, is enough. You dont need to use 4 or 5 periods at the end of each sentence. Well, good day, and happy Labor Day!

Rohirrim

09-04-2005, 11:30 AM

Fortunately for America, the Senate will re-convene next week and start hashing out how to eliminate the estate tax. It couldn't come at a better time. Trent Lott will need those funds to rebuild his beachfront mansion.

TheDave

09-04-2005, 12:13 PM

Bronco_Beerslug

09-04-2005, 01:07 PM

Actually, they will be considering 1 maybe 2 or maybe 3 SC nominations. Should help to take some of the pressure off them over the nations worst disaster for awhile.

Rohirrim

09-04-2005, 01:39 PM

The motto of the Bush administration: "Watch this drive."

Spider

09-04-2005, 02:31 PM

Wow!!! A record 4 smileys on one sentence/paraghraph/allthoughtsthrowntogether. Here is a tip I learned in the 10th grade spider. One period at the end of a sentence, is enough. You dont need to use 4 or 5 periods at the end of each sentence. Well, good day, and happy Labor Day!
Let me make it real simple for you once again ........ You dont like the way i type ? use Ignore , seriously how hard is it to put someone on ignore ? or didnt they teach you that in the 10 th grade ? Put me on Ignore and you wont have to stoop to grammar or spelling smack .Seriously put me on Ignore or shut the hell up son , no one forces you to read my post ........

Hogan11

09-04-2005, 03:06 PM

Atlas

09-04-2005, 04:38 PM

Wow!!! A record 4 smileys on one sentence/paraghraph/allthoughtsthrowntogether. Here is a tip I learned in the 10th grade spider. One period at the end of a sentence, is enough. You dont need to use 4 or 5 periods at the end of each sentence. Well, good day, and happy Labor Day!

Periods represent an end of a thought. Multiple periods together represent the progress of that thought towards a conclusion or a "settler" without saying anything.

You need to take an English course............ I think.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-04-2005, 07:51 PM

Wow!!! A record 4 smileys on one sentence/paraghraph/allthoughtsthrowntogether. Here is a tip I learned in the 10th grade spider. One period at the end of a sentence, is enough. You dont need to use 4 or 5 periods at the end of each sentence. Well, good day, and happy Labor Day!

Translation:

"I have no answer to Spider's comments re: the topic of discussion, so my only recourse is to deflect, throw up an ad hominem, and pretend I've scored some kind of point. Works for my role models Rush the Junkie and Pat Robertson."

Bronco9798

09-04-2005, 07:55 PM

Let me make it real simple for you once again ........ You dont like the way i type ? use Ignore , seriously how hard is it to put someone on ignore ? or didnt they teach you that in the 10 th grade ? Put me on Ignore and you wont have to stoop to grammar or spelling smack .Seriously put me on Ignore or shut the hell up son , no one forces you to read my post ........

I disagree with most, not all, of your posts but I actually enjoy reading them. :-) I like your wit. You seem to have more sense than most of the others that I disagree with.

24champ

09-04-2005, 08:01 PM

lets not forget bush HATES black people.....

Spider

09-04-2005, 08:28 PM

I disagree with most, not all, of your posts but I actually enjoy reading them. :-) I like your wit. You seem to have more sense than most of the others that I disagree with.
;D you will love my football takes ...... As for my political takes , all I do is post , what I see the situation is , will never tell someone how to vote or who to vote for , that is a personal decision , but if Clinton was running this mess you would see the same type of outrage , R or D , a screw up is a screw up ....... Should have seen when I went through the roof when Clinton gave China MFN status everyone thought was a republican . and i did support Bush untill couldnt no more , in fact I was the only one to make a thread giving Bush Props for the Iraqi Election ..... I dont hate republicans , i hate Neo cons , 2 different things , most Bush People dont know the difference ;D .......

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-04-2005, 08:35 PM

...if Clinton was running this mess you would see the same type of outrage

One thing is for certain:

Clinton would have NEVER waited 5 days to act.

You wouldn't find Clinton playing f_cking golf the day after the disaster struck and diddling around on a guitar the following day..

(Just like Clinton wouldn't have looked at intelligence that said "al Qaeda planning suicide attacks inside the U.S., then shrug, go on vacation and do NOTHING.)

24champ

09-04-2005, 08:40 PM

Spider

09-04-2005, 08:44 PM

One thing is for certain:

Clinton would have NEVER waited 5 days to act.

You wouldn't find Clinton playing f_cking golf the day after the disaster struck and diddling around on a guitar the following day..

(Just like Clinton wouldn't have looked at intelligence that said "al Qaeda planning suicide attacks inside the U.S., then shrug, go on vacation and do NOTHING.)
If Clinton did , I would have bashed him ...... and I have a few words for the Democrats in Congress right now .... Way I see it everyone dropped the Ball , the buck stops at Bush cause he is the President , but everyone in goverment should look themselfs in the Mirror , and ask did they do all they could to help save Americans ? .....

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-04-2005, 08:45 PM

the buck stops at Bush cause he is the President

This needs to become the official mantra for all Americans - repeated over and over and over until people get it.

ant1999e

09-04-2005, 09:58 PM

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-04-2005, 10:12 PM

This is pure speculation with no facts. Don't you have a article to prove your point?

See Oklahoma City.

See also first WTC attack (a week into Clinton's first term) in which the perps were hunted down, captured, tried, convicted, and jailed.

It's not speculation - it's an assessment based on Clinton's observable eight-year record as POTUS.

Rohirrim

09-04-2005, 10:15 PM

Nobody can argue that Bush has wiped out Reagan's record of vacations. Hell, and Reagan pretty much sleep-walked through two terms.

gunns

09-04-2005, 10:28 PM

ant1999e

09-04-2005, 10:33 PM

See Oklahoma City.

See also first WTC attack (a week into Clinton's first term) in which the perps were hunted down, captured, tried, convicted, and jailed.

It's not speculation - it's an assessment based on Clinton's observable eight-year record as POTUS.

I liked clinton, but for argument sake do me a favor and read this. It will sound real familiar.

Criticisms of Foreign Policy
Some critics accuse Clinton of leading the United States to war with Kosovo under the false pretense of genocide. Defense Secretary William Cohen, trying to make the case for genocide in Kosovo, claimed, "We've now seen about 100,000 military-aged men missing...They may have been murdered [1]". It was a claim copied by Clinton when he spoke of "at least 100,000 (Kosovar Albanians) missing [1]". Later, talking about Serbian elections, Clinton said, "They're going to have to decide whether they support his leadership or not; whether they think it's OK that all those tens of thousands of people were killed...[1]". The official NATO body count was 2,788 (well short of 100,000 and by no means genocide), with Slobodan Milosevic charged with the "murders of about 600 individually identified ethnic Albanians [1] [1]". The headline of the The Wall Street Journal on December 31, 1999 was "War in Kosovo Was Cruel, Bitter, Savage; Genocide It Wasn’t". The Wall Street Journal wrote, "the (U.N.'s International War Criminal) tribunal has checked the largest reported sites first, and found most to contain no more than five bodies, suggesting intimate acts of barbarity rather than mass murder...Kosovo would be easier to investigate if it had the huge killing fields some investigators were led to expect. Instead, the pattern is of scattered killings."

Some critics accuse Clinton of being a war criminal for the NATO bombing campaign during the Kosovo war. In the aforementioned article, The Wall Street Journal wrote, "As the war dragged on...NATO saw a fatigued press corps drifting toward the contrarian story: civilians killed by NATO's bombs. NATO stepped up its claims about Serb 'killing fields.'" The actual number of civilian deaths is hotly debated, with the numbers as high as 5,700 claimed by Yugoslavia, and with NATO acknowledging it killed, at most, 1,500 civilians. Critics note that there were more civilian deaths caused by NATO than the amount of deaths Milosevic was charged with.

Some critics blame Clinton for continuing economic sanctions against Iraq, costing perhaps hundreds of thousands of lives. Reason magazine did a study on the sanctions and concluded, "It seems awfully hard not to conclude that the embargo on Iraq has been ineffective (especially since 1998) and that it has, at the least, contributed to more than 100,000 deaths since 1990 [1]." Other critics argue Clinton’s attacks on Somalia, Bosnia, Sudan, and Afghanistan violated international law. [1] [1] [1]

Critics also contend that Bill Clinton misled the public on matters of foreign policy another time because Bill Clinton was the first U.S. President to make the claim that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

http://pedia.nodeworks.com/B/BI/BIL/Bill_Clinton/

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-04-2005, 10:52 PM

The proof is in the pudding:

Clinton is still given a hero's welcome in Kossovo to this day.

Bush is reviled (and rightfully so) as a pirate, an invader and an aggressor in Iraq.

ant1999e

09-04-2005, 10:56 PM

But do you see the similarities ? Come on, be honest.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-04-2005, 10:59 PM

But do you see the similarities ? Come on, be honest.

No - I think history shows that Kossovo was, unlike Iraq, a "just cause."

ant1999e

09-04-2005, 11:05 PM

No - I think history shows that Kossovo was, unlike Iraq, a "just cause."

I'm pretty sure when our troops liberated Iraq the people were pretty happy too. We'll see how history perceives Iraq.

ant1999e

09-04-2005, 11:08 PM

So, if Bush said we were going into Iraq because Saddam was commiting genocide by using wmd's on the Kurds would it have been justified. This is a serious question. I'm not being sarcastic.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-04-2005, 11:59 PM

I'm pretty sure when our troops liberated Iraq the people were pretty happy too.

Were this the case, then they wouldn't be fighting so hard to expel us from their country.

And the bush junta wouldn't have had to use a scripted, stage-managed statue-toppling non-event to create such an appearance.

We'll see how history perceives Iraq.

We already have two years' worth of history to evaluate - and none of it is good.

So, if Bush said we were going into Iraq because Saddam was commiting genocide by using wmd's on the Kurds would it have been justified. This is a serious question. I'm not being sarcastic.

If, by "going in," you mean the sort of invasion and occupation that has already taken place, then I'm not sure this would be the best (or only) possible military response.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-05-2005, 12:02 AM

So, if Bush said we were going into Iraq because Saddam was commiting genocide by using wmd's on the Kurds would it have been justified. This is a serious question. I'm not being sarcastic.

It would probably be easy to form a legitimate coalition (like the one Bush's father formed for Gulf War I) to intervene if something like this happened.

ant1999e

09-05-2005, 01:00 AM

Were this the case, then they wouldn't be fighting so hard to expel us from their country.

And the bush junta wouldn't have had to use a scripted, stage-managed statue-toppling non-event to create such an appearance.

We already have two years' worth of history to evaluate - and none of it is good.

If, by "going in," you mean the sort of invasion and occupation that has already taken place, then I'm not sure this would be the best (or only) possible military response.

Come on. Most of the Iraqi people are glad we rid them of Saddam. We are fighting insurgents. You are impossible. I don't know why I try to converse with you.

Free elections in Iraq are good. An Iraqi constitution voted on by the people is good. Saddam behind bars is good. The U.N. not making money under the table (taking food from the Iraqi people) is good. There are plenty of bad things in Iraq but there are some good. You will never admit it.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-05-2005, 01:30 AM

Come on. Most of the Iraqi people are glad we rid them of Saddam.

Perhaps - but that's an oversimplification that doesn't take the fact that Bush has created conditions far worse than most people experienced under Saddam into account.

Any hope for your argument went out the window with Abu Ghraib.

We are fighting insurgents.

Who or what do you think these "insurgents" are? Either Iraqis who are fighting to drive us out of their country, or foreign jihadists who just want to kill Americans (and who end up killing innocent civilians with their suicide bombs as well.)

I don't know why I try to converse with you.

But you keep trying nonetheless (and you said I was "obsessive?")

Free elections in Iraq are good.

Good for whom?

For America?

Even when the result is that another Iranian-style Islamic theocracy replaces what was previously the only secular regime in the region?

An Iraqi constitution voted on by the people is good.

It's nothing but a fig leaf the bush junta is using to conceal the awful state of things in Iraq - just like the illusary "handover of power," the "election," etc.

Saddam behind bars is good.

Few would dispute this, but this fact alone doesn't justify the price of the invasion/occupation in blood and $$$. Nor is it the only reason the junta gave for taking America to war.

The U.N. not making money under the table (taking food from the Iraqi people) is good.

Whereas now BushCo cronies like Halliburton, KBR, et al, are making much, much more money "under the table," ripping off the American tax payers to the tune of billions, and screwing the Iraqi people out of opportunities to benefit economically from participating in the reconstruction of their own country.

There are plenty of bad things in Iraq but there are some good. You will never admit it.

You will never understand, let alone admit, that this isn't really the critical question.

The question is whether or not the good outweighs the bad.

The answer is a resounding, unequivocal "no" - and a solid majority of Americans see it.

Spider

09-05-2005, 06:09 AM

But do you see the similarities ? Come on, be honest.
One major difference Bro , we went into Kosovo , Kicked ass got out , we didnt nation build,Slob whatever his name is went down hard , we got out ,Nation building is a pain in the ass ..........

W*GS

09-05-2005, 07:16 AM

Perhaps - but that's an oversimplification that doesn't take the fact that Bush has created conditions far worse than most people experienced under Saddam into account.

Explain how Iraq today is "far worse" than when Saddam was in power. I'm quite interested in what sort of twisted spin you'll have to present to make your case.

gunns

09-05-2005, 03:10 PM

[i]Explain how Iraq today is "far worse" than when Saddam was in power. I'm quite interested in what sort of twisted spin you'll have to present to make your case.]/i]

That comes directly from the Iraqi people. Life is worse as they have to worry around every bend about a car bomb. Regardless of what lies we have been told there is STILL little electricity or running water in the country. Yes they are glad Saddam is gone but their family members are dying at a much higher rate and the conditions are worse.

W*GS

09-05-2005, 03:17 PM

That comes directly from the Iraqi people. Life is worse as they have to worry around every bend about a car bomb.

As opposed to a visit by Saddam's "security" forces and burial shortly thereafter in a mass grave?

Regardless of what lies we have been told there is STILL little electricity or running water in the country. Yes they are glad Saddam is gone but their family members are dying at a much higher rate and the conditions are worse.

"Dying at a much higher rate"? Prove it.

Perhaps we should let Saddam out of prison and re-install him as dictator. If things are worse now, then the Iraqi people should want that to happen.

Rohirrim

09-05-2005, 03:46 PM

Perhaps we should let Saddam out of prison and re-install him as dictator. If things are worse now, then the Iraqi people should want that to happen.

Nah, Saddam is history. Now we're just waiting to install the next Ayatollah Khomeini.

ant1999e

09-05-2005, 05:11 PM

Are you all really this pessimistic or just really hard headed? ???

W*GS

09-05-2005, 05:16 PM

Are you all really this pessimistic or just really hard headed? ???

I'm not as pessimistic as others, but the job of remaking Iraq into a democracy is a Big One - akin to post-WWII Germany or Japan. The bad example would be post-Tito Yugoslavia - dictator goes away, nation disintegrates into warring factions.

DBruleU

09-05-2005, 05:19 PM

I'm not as pessimistic as others, but the job of remaking Iraq into a democracy is a Big One - akin to post-WWII Germany or Japan. The bad example would be post-Tito Yugoslavia - dictator goes away, nation disintegrates into warring factions.

I dont think he was referring to you as the pessimistic one.

Rohirrim

09-05-2005, 06:00 PM

Are you all really this pessimistic or just really hard headed? ???

The Shah we supported and propped up in Iran (along with one of the nastiest secret police organizations in history) morphed into the Ayatollah.

Saddam, who we supported and propped up for decades (along with one of the... you get the point) will morph into... what?

It's not like it's a big stretch of the imagination.

errand

09-05-2005, 06:36 PM

Maybe my hatred for him has clouded my perception .

This is why your perception is that he doesn't care.....and why alot of others on the left blame him for everything (I wouldn't be suprised if they claim he even created the hurricane to make Haliburton and his oil buddies richer, in fact it's more than likely they already have)

You should read the crap they post not only on here, but all over the internet....they claim he started the war to make Haliburton rich, some claimed he created the hurricanes that hit Florida to help his brother out, others still claim he destroyed the WTC in order to start the war to make Haliburton and his buddies in the oil business rich. they claim he rigged the elections in '00 and '04.

And yet they never once wondered how such an allegedly stupid man could dupe not only his followers, but practically the entire nation (save for those sane people that claim all of the above :kiddingme)

He's conniving enough to blow up the WTC....kill thousands of Americans, clever enough to rig two elections, and evidently can even control the weather with pinpoint accuracy to destroy places that would either forward his brother's career or enhance his buddies portfolios...but he's not smart enough to have planted a few nukes in Iraq. :kiddingme

Read their posts without your hatred, and you too would see how ludicrous the accusations this man has been subjected to actually are.

errand

09-05-2005, 06:48 PM

As opposed to a visit by Saddam's "security" forces and burial shortly thereafter in a mass grave?

"Dying at a much higher rate"? Prove it.

Perhaps we should let Saddam out of prison and re-install him as dictator. If things are worse now, then the Iraqi people should want that to happen.

Yeah. Last I heard our troops had only murdered what was it MohammedBF, Raghib11, HadjiSpider..... 30,000 innocents, right?

Saddam murdered 10 times that many....our troops have years to go to catch up to Saddam.

errand

09-05-2005, 06:49 PM

Nah, Saddam is history. Now we're just waiting to install the next Ayatollah Khomeini.

....as long as they didn't support terrorists, pursue WMD's, and commit mass murder of their countrymen what would it matter?

Bronco_Beerslug

09-05-2005, 07:11 PM

our troops have years to go to catch up to Saddam.
Bush is working on it errant, give him a little more time.

Spider

09-05-2005, 07:33 PM

Atlas

09-05-2005, 07:36 PM

Come on. Most of the Iraqi people are glad we rid them of Saddam. We are fighting insurgents. You are impossible. I don't know why I try to converse with you.

Free elections in Iraq are good. An Iraqi constitution voted on by the people is good. Saddam behind bars is good. The U.N. not making money under the table (taking food from the Iraqi people) is good. There are plenty of bad things in Iraq but there are some good. You will never admit it.

Your right We were given a heros welcome when we got their. Bush copuld have been a hero, but he tried to win this war on the cheap. Once The U.S. won the war they didn't do anything to put Iraqi's back to work. I was there a full year after we took Iraq and the streets were still littered with debris. The bridges were still broken down and unemployment was at 75%. Congress gave Bush $18 billion to rebuild Iraq and 1 year after the invasion Bush hadn't used hardly any of it. He refused to let Iraqi companies provide mobile phone service saying that an American company would do it although it would be slower and at twice the cost, He refused to let Iraqi companies do jobs that Halliburton or other foreign companies were doing.

1 year after the end of the war Iraq was still a mess they only had electricity for 12 hours out of the day and it would take 6 hours for people to get gas for their car/bus/van. If Bush would have showen some urgency in rebuilding Iraq than he wouldn't have near the problem he has now. But he sat back on his ass and pated himself on the back and complimented himself on a war well done not bothering to try to win the peace.

Atlas

09-05-2005, 07:40 PM

Rigs11

09-05-2005, 10:28 PM

Yeah. Last I heard our troops had only murdered what was it MohammedBF, Raghib11, HadjiSpider..... 30,000 innocents, right?

Saddam murdered 10 times that many....our troops have years to go to catch up to Saddam.

Here is the hypocrisy of Cletus in plain site. He parades his Dubya lovin self in these forums holding his head up, saying how great Dubya is for 'liberating" the people of Iraq and yet now he is comparing the amount of civilians killed by Saddam as opposed to the ones killed by Dubya.Isn't your great president supposed to be so above all this? Look up the facts Cletus, many civilians have died in the bombing raids.Estimates as high as 100,000.So when we finally catch up to Saddam we can then be concerned? :kiddingme

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-05-2005, 10:33 PM

. I was there a full year after we took Iraq and the streets were still litered with debris. The bridges were still broken down and unemployment was at 75%. Congress gave Bush $18 billion to rebuil Iraq and 1 year after the invasion Bush hadn't used hardly any of it. He refused to let Iraqi companies provide mobile phone saying that an American company would do it slower at twice the cost, He refused to let Iraqi companies do jobs that Halliburton or other foreign companies were doing.

1 year after the end of the war Iraq was still a mess they only had electricity for 12 hours out of the day and it would take 6 hours for people to get gas for their car/bus/van. If Bush would have showen some urgency in rebuilding Iraq than he wouldn't have near the problem he has now. But he sat back on his ass and pated himself on the back and complimented himself on a war well done not bothering to try to win the peace.

I think you just messed up ant1999e's fantasy world with that reality check.

:D

How can the poor guy go on living in his parallel Fox News universe now?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-05-2005, 10:34 PM

I bet you easily over 100,000 Iraqis have been killed since the war started.

And, unlike Error, Atlas actually spent a year in Iraq.

W*GS

09-06-2005, 08:02 AM

Saddam, who we supported and propped up for decades (along with one of the... you get the point) will morph into... what?

The US was not an ally of Saddam "for decades". Only during the Iran-Iraq war, and not much support even then. The biggest suppliers to Saddam were the USSR, France, and Germany.

Spider

09-06-2005, 08:04 AM

The US was not an ally of Saddam "for decades". Only during the Iran-Iraq war, and not much support even then. The biggest suppliers to Saddam were the USSR, France, and Germany.
LOL ..... I suggest you go and re study grasshopper then come back ...... Check out the part where the CIA aided Saddam back to power .....

W*GS

09-06-2005, 08:14 AM

LOL ..... I suggest you go and re study grasshopper then come back ...... Check out the part where the CIA aided Saddam back to power .....

Ahh, not quite.

Explain why all the Iraqi military equipment was either Soviet or French, and that the only fatality from the Israeli destruction of the Osiraq nuclear reactor was a French technician.

Why would the US ally itself with Iran (under the Shah) and Iraq (under Saddam) at the same time?

Play2win

09-06-2005, 11:14 AM

The only thing BUSH wants to liberate the Iraqis from, is their own earthly bodies...

Rohirrim

09-06-2005, 12:02 PM

The US was not an ally of Saddam "for decades". Only during the Iran-Iraq war, and not much support even then. The biggest suppliers to Saddam were the USSR, France, and Germany.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/history/husseinindex.htm

"US intelligence helped Saddam’s Ba`ath Party seize power for the first time in 1963. Evidence suggests that Saddam was on the CIA payroll as early as 1959, when he participated in a failed assassination attempt against Iraqi strongman Abd al-Karim Qassem. In the 1980s, the US and Britain backed Saddam in the war against Iran, giving Iraq arms, money, satellite intelligence, and even chemical & bio-weapon precursors. As many as 90 US military advisors supported Iraqi forces and helped pick targets for Iraqi air and missile attacks."

Looks like decades to me.

Atlas

09-06-2005, 12:05 PM

Saddam got his chemical weapons from the U.S.

Spider

09-06-2005, 02:09 PM

Ahh, not quite.

Explain why all the Iraqi military equipment was either Soviet or French, and that the only fatality from the Israeli destruction of the Osiraq nuclear reactor was a French technician.

Why would the US ally itself with Iran (under the Shah) and Iraq (under Saddam) at the same time?
LOL , It is your wold W*GS I only pay rent here .... Hilarious!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 03:51 PM

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/history/husseinindex.htm

"US intelligence helped Saddam’s Ba`ath Party seize power for the first time in 1963. Evidence suggests that Saddam was on the CIA payroll as early as 1959, when he participated in a failed assassination attempt against Iraqi strongman Abd al-Karim Qassem. In the 1980s, the US and Britain backed Saddam in the war against Iran, giving Iraq arms, money, satellite intelligence, and even chemical & bio-weapon precursors. As many as 90 US military advisors supported Iraqi forces and helped pick targets for Iraqi air and missile attacks."

Looks like decades to me.

Yep. Saddam got his start as a CIA-backed hit man.

So much for W*GS' usual right-wing revisionist history.

errand

09-06-2005, 04:10 PM

I bet you easily over 100,000 Iraqis have been killed since the war started.

...and of course, they were all nothing but a bunch of innocent civillians murdered by our troop, right?

errand

09-06-2005, 04:17 PM

And, unlike Error, Atlas actually spent a year in Iraq.

Really, then I figured you'd have contempt for him since he's one of those that your side has labelled Nazis and rapists and murderers.

Gee, I'm sorry there wasn't a war on terror when I was in the Marines. I did serve in Beirut for several months, and received a Marine Corps Expeditionary Medal for a clandestine op off the coast of Iran. Didn't get shot at per se....but the level of danger was just as high. Not that it means anything to an anti-American slug like yourself.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 04:20 PM

...and of course, they were all nothing but a bunch of innocent civillians murdered by our troop, right?

Seriously, Cletus, do you deny that innocent civilians (tens of thousands, by most estimates) have been killed in Disaster Boy's illegal war?

BTW, the buck stops on Disaster Boy's desk.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 04:29 PM

Really, then I figured you'd have contempt for him since he's one of those that your side has labelled Nazis and rapists and murderers.

There you go with the same weak-minded spin again, i.e., the claim that those Americans who assert that Americans shouldn't torture or rape and murder children are calling "the troops" "Nazis," etc.

The sort of intellectually dishonesty required to be a Bush supporter is simply staggering.

Didn't get shot at per se....but the level of danger was just as high. Not that it means anything to an anti-American slug like yourself.

There you go with the pathetic "anyone who criticizes Bush's policies is 'anti-American'" rhetoric again.

And I'm a veteran, jackass.

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 04:50 PM

There you go with the same weak-minded spin again, i.e., the claim that those Americans who assert that Americans should torture or rape and murder children are calling "the troops" "Nazis," etc.

The sort of intellectually dishonesty required to be a Bush supporter is simply staggering.

There you go with the pathetic "anyone who criticizes Bush's policies is 'anti-American'" rhetoric again.

And I'm a veteran, jackass.

Name calling is definitely your strong suit.

No disrespect or anything, but what exactly are you a veteran of?

errand

09-06-2005, 04:56 PM

Here is the hypocrisy of Cletus in plain site. He parades his Dubya lovin self in these forums holding his head up, saying how great Dubya is for 'liberating" the people of Iraq and yet now he is comparing the amount of civilians killed by Saddam as opposed to the ones killed by Dubya.Isn't your great president supposed to be so above all this? Look up the facts Cletus, many civilians have died in the bombing raids.Estimates as high as 100,000.So when we finally catch up to Saddam we can then be concerned? :kiddingme

No Raghib11...you miss the point entirely (why am I not suprised, though?)

It was a facetious comment, pointing out your hypocrisy....murdering Iraqi's is evidently OK if your Saddam Hussein, but God forbid some get killed accidently during a firefight with terrorists and insurgents. You don't care one bit for the Iraqi people.....you just want to use those deaths to forward your politcal agenda of ruining this nation.

You and your ilk have claimed our troops have murdered innocent Iraqis. You and your side have done nothing but make false claim after false claim of our brave soldiers, airmen and marines murdering, raping, and torturing women and children.

You and your clown friends say that removing Saddam was good...but clamor for the days he was in power. your side has actually claimed the Iraqi's choosing their own form of government and ruling themselves is worse than being ruled by an oppressive regime run by a murderous dictator.

You say you support the troops, but post the bull**** accusations your famous for. You weep for those Iraqi's killed during the war, but silently rejoice whenever another US soldier is slain by those murderous bastards your side labels as "freedom fighters".

In your eyes, the US is always the evil empire, and the US military is the tool by which it carries out it's evil.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 05:09 PM

Name calling is definitely your strong suit.

Funny - I don't hear you object to the name-calling (complete with racial and ethnic slurs) in which your little buddy Errant engages on a regular basis.

People like you are all about the double standard.

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 05:19 PM

errand

09-06-2005, 05:26 PM

Seriously, Cletus, do you deny that innocent civilians (tens of thousands, by most estimates) have been killed in Disaster Boy's illegal war?

BTW, the buck stops on Disaster Boy's desk.

No, people die in wars.....it is a fact of life.

Now riddle me this my liberal clown....

......do you deny that your side has claimed those killed were murdered?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 05:30 PM

Yes, I'm sure Mr.LABF, but please...what are you a veteran of exactly?

The military, Einstein.

errand

09-06-2005, 05:31 PM

Funny - I don't hear you object to the name-calling (complete with racial and ethnic slurs) in which your little buddy Errant engages on a regular basis.

People like you are all about the double standard.

Really....what racial or ethnic slurs have I called anyone?

I cannot recall uttering any racial slurs....I have on the other hand labelled those who support terrorists by the typical names associated with them like Raghib, Hadji, and Mohammed...which is nothing....no worse than calling you clowns Tom, Dick or Harry.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 05:36 PM

No, people die in wars.....it is a fact of life.

We're not talking about "people" in general - we're talking about tens of thousands of civilians killed in a war that was based on lies and bogus intelligence.

Or is this too "nuanced" for you?

......do you deny that your side has claimed those killed were murdered?

No - I don't deny it.

When innocents are killed in an illegal war based on lies and deliberately misused intelligence, then "murder" is accurate.

And Bush is the murderer.

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 05:37 PM

The military, Einstein.

Einstein ha, classic. You are a very hostile person. Anyways, did you ever serve in a war, or were you just in the reserves. I'm just trying to get an idea of what you actually did in the military.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 05:41 PM

Really....what racial or ethnic slurs have I called anyone?

Right here, by your own admission:

....I have on the other hand labelled those who support terrorists by the typical names associated with them like Raghib, Hadji, and Mohammed...

You use Arabic names as a means to disparage, the implication being that all Arabs and/or Muslims are terrorists or intrinsically evil people.

You deliberately avoid making any distinction between 'terrorists' and the general Muslim population.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 05:42 PM

Anyways, did you ever serve in a war.

Yes.

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 05:48 PM

Yes.

And the name of that war would be...? What were the years of service?

I know these are tough answers to put together, but work with me here.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 06:04 PM

And the name of that war would be...? What were the years of service?

I know these are tough answers to put together, but work with me here.

You like to play twenty questions, eh?

Where/when did you serve?

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 06:12 PM

You like to play twenty questions, eh?

Where/when did you serve?

Just answer the question and it wouldnt be 20 questions. Why is it so hard to answer it?

I havent served, I'm in college still. Why try to dodge a question with another question, just answer it. I'm in no way trying to be a jerk about it. I was just curious after you said you were a veteran.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 06:17 PM

Just answer the question and it wouldnt be 20 questions. Why is it so hard to answer it?

What makes you think it's any of your business?

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 06:20 PM

What makes you think it's any of your business?

Alright, so I'm just going to assume that you never actually served, and that you made it up to try and get a leg-up on the rest of us.

I guess we could say the same to you when you guys were giving ratboy a hard time about his military service. It was none of your business then, and you shouldnt have given him the hard time that you did.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 06:27 PM

Alright, so I'm just going to assume that you never actually served, and that you made it up to try and get a leg-up on the rest of us.

Whatever gets you through the night.

It certainly wouldn't be the first time you've "assumed" something in order to prop up your foregone conclusions.

BTW, I've answered some of the questions you're asking here before - I just don't like it when chickenhawks demand such info from me.

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 06:29 PM

Whatever gets you through the night.

It certainly wouldn't be the first time you've "assumed" something in order to prop up your foregone conclusions.

BTW, I've answered some of the questions you're asking here before - I just don't like it when chickenhawks demand such info from me.

Oh c'mon LABF. If it were so true, you would love to answer the question to make the rest of us look stupid. You would automatically have one up on us for being a veteran. Or at least it would seem that way.

Since when have you not liked to answer a question that would put you above the rest of us? It seems sorta silly not to answer such an easy and beneficial question.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 06:43 PM

Oh c'mon LABF. If it were so true, you would love to answer the question to make the rest of us look stupid. You would automatically have one up on us for being a veteran. Or at least it would seem that way.

Since when have you not liked to answer a question that would put you above the rest of us? It seems sorta silly not to answer such an easy and beneficial question.

been there, done that.

You're not listening, are you?

I've already answered your questions on this forum before.

If you had any understanding of veterans, you'd realize it's disrespectful to expect them to discuss their military experience with you on demand.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 06:45 PM

Anticipated response from DBruleU:

He'll ask me to post a copy of my DD-214 on the forum.

Spider

09-06-2005, 07:05 PM

Funny - I don't hear you object to the name-calling (complete with racial and ethnic slurs) in which your little buddy Errant engages on a regular basis.

People like you are all about the double standard.
LOL you wont , he agrees 100% with Errand , and DBruleU is still hurt over the operation Yellow elephant .......... double standard is SOP with these people .....

Rigs11

09-06-2005, 08:36 PM

No Raghib11...you miss the point entirely (why am I not suprised, though?)

It was a facetious comment, pointing out your hypocrisy....murdering Iraqi's is evidently OK if your Saddam Hussein, but God forbid some get killed accidently during a firefight with terrorists and insurgents. You don't care one bit for the Iraqi people.....you just want to use those deaths to forward your politcal agenda of ruining this nation.

You and your ilk have claimed our troops have murdered innocent Iraqis. You and your side have done nothing but make false claim after false claim of our brave soldiers, airmen and marines murdering, raping, and torturing women and children.

You and your clown friends say that removing Saddam was good...but clamor for the days he was in power. your side has actually claimed the Iraqi's choosing their own form of government and ruling themselves is worse than being ruled by an oppressive regime run by a murderous dictator.

You say you support the troops, but post the bull**** accusations your famous for. You weep for those Iraqi's killed during the war, but silently rejoice whenever another US soldier is slain by those murderous bastards your side labels as "freedom fighters".

In your eyes, the US is always the evil empire, and the US military is the tool by which it carries out it's evil.

There are many people being killed in Sudan, there are people being boiled alive in Ubekistan. If you and your daddy Dubya are such humanitarians why pray tell have you not done anything there? You're running out of cards to play as for the reasons that the moron in the white house invaded Iraq. Here you are contradicting yourself again. You tell me that I don't care for the Iraqi people and yet you're the one that says that it's ok for them to die
"accidentally". Seriously Cletus lay off the moonshine.I want the troops to come home. Where do you come up with these arrogant thoughts that I rejoice when they die? Come to think of it layoff the moonshine and turn off the Hannity and Oreilly.

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 09:46 PM

been there, done that.

You're not listening, are you?

I've already answered your questions on this forum before.

If you had any understanding of veterans, you'd realize it's disrespectful to expect them to discuss their military experience with you on demand.

Disrespectful....hhmmm I have met plenty of veterans over the years, and have asked plenty of questions about their service, and not one of them had a problem with it. Im not asking you to discuss your experiences, I was just curious as to where you served. You dont need to give me details.

Even my uncle who served in vietnam doesnt have a problem talking about what went on over there, and what he saw first hand while he was serving. Some pretty gruesome stuff.

ant1999e

09-06-2005, 09:50 PM

I'm proud to talk about my military service. Been in for 11 years. Got 9 more to go. Been to Korea, Saudi, Emirates, Omaha and Kansas.

Spider

09-06-2005, 09:53 PM

Even my uncle who served in vietnam doesnt have a problem talking about what went on over there, and what he saw first hand while he was serving. Some pretty gruesome stuff.
Now my dad has a problem talking about Nam , Only time I seen him realy talk about it is with another vet , but when he goes to bed at night after talking about it he has flashbacks ........ I guess it all depends on the person ..... One thingthough Dad made it through Nam , yet got shot in a bar room brawl at a place called the Jolley Rodger 6th and Federal in Denver , I was there saw the whole thing ..... Wicked stuff watching people get shot ......

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 09:53 PM

Yeah, Im starting to think LABF BS'ed it though. I would love for him to prove me wrong, but I dont think its going to happen. He cant answer a siple question.

Even errand is a veteran, and he talked openly about it.

ant1999e

09-06-2005, 09:55 PM

Now my dad has a problem talking about Nam , Only time I seen him realy talk about it is with another vet , but when he goes to bed at night after talking about it he has flashbacks ........ I guess it all depends on the person ..... One thingthough Dad made it through Nam , yet got shot in a bar room brawl at a place called the Jolley Rodger 6th and Federal in Denver , I was there saw the whole thing ..... Wicked stuff watching people get shot ......

War sucks.

Spider

09-06-2005, 09:59 PM

War sucks.
Sure does , I am not anti War ..... just anti Iraqi War ..... I know death I have dealt with it on a personal level I was the first one to find my Brother Robert dead , that screwed me up for years , watched 2 Grandpas die , 1 Grandmother , 1 uncle , the other uncle I didnt see die ......Watched my Dad get shot ( he lieved through it though ) ...... My point is war and death go hand in hand , and it had better be a damn good reason to go to war ........

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 10:20 PM

Yeah, Im starting to think LABF BS'ed it though. I would love for him to prove me wrong, but I dont think its going to happen.

Riiiiiiight.

Hold on while I scan my DD-214 and post it here.

Would you like copies of my drivers license and birth certificate while I'm at it?

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 10:25 PM

Riiiiiiight.

Hold on while I scan my DD-214 and post it here.

Would you like copies of my drivers license and birth certificate while I'm at it?

No, just your word will do. Thats all Im asking for. You are making this more complicated than it should be. Its a simple question with a simple answer.

Ratboy

09-06-2005, 10:26 PM

It's Bush's fault.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 10:28 PM

You are making this more complicated than it should be.

You are making the mistake of assuming that you make the rules.

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 10:30 PM

You are making the mistake of assuming that you make the rules.

There are no rules when it comes to a question. But, of course, you wont answer it because you have no answer.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 10:41 PM

But, of course, you wont answer it because you have no answer.

Not surprisingly, it never occurs to you that I simply feel no obligation to share the "answer" with you.

And I really couldn't care less what conclusion you draw from this fact.

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 10:43 PM

Not surprisingly, it never occurs to you that I simply feel no obligation to share the "answer" with you.

And I really couldn't care less what conclusion you draw from this fact.

Probably the same comnclusion I get from any of your posts. Utter "patheticness" I have never witnessed from any other human being.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 10:47 PM

Probably the same comnclusion I get from any of your posts. Utter "patheticness" I have never witnessed from any other human being.

Oh my.

Look who's doing the personal attacking now.

Just when he claimed to occupy the high ground in that regard.

:laugh:

RunByDesign

09-06-2005, 10:48 PM

Utter "patheticness" I have never witnessed from any other human being.

So, wouldn't this be considered "demeaning" an individual? ???

You afford yourself the liberty about which you complain. :bs:

24champ

09-06-2005, 10:48 PM

Oh my.

Look who's doing the personal attacking now.

Just when he claimed to occupy the high ground in that regard.

:laugh:

:bs: ROFL! heres a tissue bro....

Ratboy

09-06-2005, 10:50 PM

So, wouldn't this be considered "demeaning" an individual? ???

You afford yourself the liberty about which you complain. :bs:

Wait, What did you say? Oh yes, I remember..

"Whaa! :vermeil:"

RunByDesign

09-06-2005, 10:52 PM

Wait, What did you say? Oh yes, I remember..

"Whaa! :vermeil:"

Exactly.

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 10:54 PM

Oh my.

Look who's doing the personal attacking now.

Just when he claimed to occupy the high ground in that regard.

:laugh:

If you are suggesting you never call anyone names, or attack them, then you are the most hypocritcal person on this board.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 10:56 PM

So, wouldn't this be considered "demeaning" an individual? ???

You afford yourself the liberty about which you complain. :bs:

Exactly.

I believe the word for this sort of thing is "hypocrisy."

:D

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 10:58 PM

If you are suggesting you never call anyone names, or attack them, then you are the most hypocritcal person on this board.

I suggested no such thing.

Like Slap, I merely noted your hypocrisy in "affording yourself the liberty about which you complain."

RunByDesign

09-06-2005, 10:59 PM

If you are suggesting you never call anyone names, or attack them, then you are the most hypocritcal person on this board.

Quite honestly, I think you are having reading comprehension issues.

Literally, he said: "why are you leveling personal attacks, when you claim not to?"

:undecided

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 10:59 PM

:bs: ROFL! heres a tissue bro....

Gimme two - one for your mom.

ROFL!

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 11:00 PM

Quite honestly, I think you are having reading comprehension issues.

Literally, he said: "why are you leveling personal attacks, when you claim not to?"

:undecided

LABF just responds to personal attacks better.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 11:01 PM

Quite honestly, I think you are having reading comprehension issues.

Literally, he said: "why are you leveling personal attacks, when you claim not to?"

:undecided

Being a right-winger means what's good for the goose is never good for the gander.

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 11:01 PM

Gimme two - one for your mom.

ROFL!

Wow, last time I heard mom jokes was in grade school.

RunByDesign

09-06-2005, 11:01 PM

I merely noted your hypocrisy in "affording yourself the liberty about which you complain."

:approve:

24champ

09-06-2005, 11:01 PM

Gimme two - one for your mom.

ROFL!

lets get off the mom jokes ok, i just got off yours.

24champ

09-06-2005, 11:02 PM

:approve:

hows that left nut rbd? Post anything informative?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 11:03 PM

Wow, last time I heard mom jokes was in grade school.

Sorry - I just thought I'd try to communicate with him on his own level.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 11:06 PM

lets get off the mom jokes ok, i just got off yours.

"Look everybody - I can plagiarize 'Good Will Hunting.'"

Send that MENSA application overnight priority, dood!

RunByDesign

09-06-2005, 11:07 PM

hows that left nut rbd? Post anything informative?

Contributed anything lately, 24?

No?

How predictable.

At least I haven't been chasing him around the boards for the better part of a week, like you and your cohorts have been doing.

So, I decided to take a little time out from the normal routine of ripping apart the resident Chef morons on the General Discussion Forum to assist LABF, as you all seem to be infatuated with his existence. So what....?

LOL

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 11:10 PM

Contributed anything lately, 24?

He's "contributing" the exact same thing DBruleU just finished crying to the mods about - but you won't hear a peep of protest from DBruleU or any of the usual Bush minions here.

RunByDesign

09-06-2005, 11:13 PM

He's "contributing" the exact same thing DBruleU just finished crying to the mods about - but you won't hear a peep of protest from DBruleU or any of the usual Bush minions here.

The empirical nature of their actions would suggest that their mantra might be: If you can't beat 'em....change the rules.

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 11:13 PM

He's "contributing" the exact same thing DBruleU just finished crying to the mods about - but you won't hear a peep of protest from DBruleU or any of the usual Bush minions here.

Cried to the Mods? I've never even spoken with a mod of these boards before.

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 11:14 PM

Contributed anything lately, 24?

No?

How predictable.

At least I haven't been chasing him around the boards for the better part of a week, like you and your cohorts have been doing.

So, I decided to take a little time out from the normal routine of ripping apart the resident Chef morons on the General Discussion Forum to assist LABF, as you all seem to be infatuated with his existence. So what....?

LOL

You cant chase LABF around these boards. He's already in ever single thread here, with at least a couple dozen posts in each thread.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 11:33 PM

You cant chase LABF around these boards. He's already in ever single thread here, with at least a couple dozen posts in each thread.

That doesn't seem to stop you from making this your only observable activity here.

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 11:35 PM

That doesn't seem to stop you from making this your only observable activity here.

Haha you mean because I respond to you? You are the one conservatives respond to here. Im obvioulsy not going to have an argument with wigs, or champ.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 11:38 PM

Haha you mean because I respond to you? You are the one conservatives respond to here. Im obvioulsy not going to have an argument with wigs, or champ.

No - because responding to me seems to be your only raison d' etre on this board.

When are we going to see all that evidence that the "president" you're protecting is good news for America?

24champ

09-06-2005, 11:42 PM

No - because responding to me seems to be your only raison d' etre on this board.

When are we going to see all that evidence that the "president" you're protecting is good news for America?

by evidence like the stuff Dan Rather cooked up about Bushes National Guard record? :giggle:

labs definition book:

Evidence = BS

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 11:44 PM

No - because responding to me seems to be your only raison d' etre on this board.

When are we going to see all that evidence that the "president" you're protecting is good news for America?

Don't flatter yourself LABF. You arent the only reason Im here. You are just easy to respond to, because we disagree on practically everyhting.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 11:46 PM

Don't flatter yourself LABF. You arent the only reason Im here. You are just easy to respond to, because we disagree on practically everyhting.

I'll take that as "never."

24champ

09-06-2005, 11:47 PM

He's "contributing" the exact same thing DBruleU just finished crying to the mods about - but you won't hear a peep of protest from DBruleU or any of the usual Bush minions here.

Hey jesus christ er uh LABF....since when do you know who cries to the mods....seems to me your the only crying. :pfbbt:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 11:48 PM

by evidence like the stuff Dan Rather cooked up about Bushes National Guard record? :giggle:

labs definition book:

Evidence = BS

Did you ask your special ed teacher to proofread this post - or is it a first draft?

DBruleU

09-06-2005, 11:49 PM

I'll take that as "never."

LOL take it like that please. I'll call Dan and see if he can cook something up that you would approve of.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-06-2005, 11:49 PM

Hey jesus christ er uh LABF....since when do you know who cries to the mods....seems to me your the only crying. :pfbbt:

I've never complained to the mods about right-wing spambots like you.

Ratboy

09-06-2005, 11:56 PM

I've never complained to the mods about right-wing spambots like you.

Didn't you just complain to BlueFlame about #24 and I 'spamming'.

24champ

09-07-2005, 12:04 AM

Didn't you just complain to BlueFlame about #24 and I 'spamming'.

yes he did ;D

24champ

09-07-2005, 12:05 AM

Did you ask your special ed teacher to proofread this post - or is it a first draft?
LOL yeah karl rove gave me the OK.....

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-07-2005, 12:17 AM

Didn't you just complain to BlueFlame about #24 and I 'spamming'.

I asked for clarification.

Unlike so many of your right-wing, neo-fascist buddies, liberals won't try to vote you off the island just because they disagree with your views.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-07-2005, 12:19 AM

LOL take it like that please. I'll call Dan and see if he can cook something up that you would approve of.

I'll take that as a "no, I don't have any evidence that Diebold Boy is good news for America."

24champ

09-07-2005, 12:25 AM

I asked for clarification.

Unlike so many of your right-wing, neo-fascist buddies, liberals won't try to vote you off the island just because they disagree with your views.

"Clarification" suuure bud. :giggle:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-07-2005, 12:31 AM

"Clarification" suuure bud. :giggle:

I asked if what you were doing qualified as "spamming."

That's what's called "asking for clarification."

Slow enough?

24champ

09-07-2005, 12:34 AM

I asked if what you were doing qualified as "spamming."

That's what's called "asking for clarification."

Slow enough?

no i didnt understand....wait Karl Rove explained it to me i got it.... ;D

Danny Boy

09-07-2005, 01:13 AM

well i aint an american so it dont affect me as much as the it does the americans who have posted here but i know what your talking about maybe cause that happend in england and not in the US that its not **** on his doorstep so he dont care i mean he probly does but hell hes on a vacation riding his wife why go home? lol but yeah i dont think hes used to death and dieing i mean who could be that heartless lol

Atlas

09-07-2005, 01:16 AM

...and of course, they were all nothing but a bunch of innocent civillians murdered by our troop, right?

They were regular people that had regular lives until we invaded their country.

Atlas

09-07-2005, 01:28 AM

There are many people being killed in Sudan, there are people being boiled alive in Ubekistan. If you and your daddy Dubya are such humanitarians why pray tell have you not done anything there? You're running out of cards to play as for the reasons that the moron in the white house invaded Iraq. Here you are contradicting yourself again. You tell me that I don't care for the Iraqi people and yet you're the one that says that it's ok for them to die
"accidentally". Seriously Cletus lay off the moonshine.I want the troops to come home. Where do you come up with these arrogant thoughts that I rejoice when they die? Come to think of it layoff the moonshine and turn off the Hannity and Oreilly.

Now now Rigs Saudia Arabia and Uzbeckistan, Egypt are Bush Allies. So it's ok for them to torture people, rape, plunder and pillage. If they are a Bush stooge it's fine we don't care. In fact the U.S. takes suspects to Egypt and let's them torture the person to get information. That's OK too as long as it's the "good" side doing it and not the "Evil doers."

W*GS

09-07-2005, 08:58 AM

So, I decided to take a little time out from the normal routine of ripping apart the resident Chef morons on the General Discussion Forum to assist LABF, as you all seem to be infatuated with his existence.

So, LABF is Batman, and you're Robin?

W*GS

09-07-2005, 09:06 AM

There are many people being killed in Sudan, there are people being boiled alive in Ubekistan. If you and your daddy Dubya are such humanitarians why pray tell have you not done anything there?

What makes Bush's inaction in regards to those events vastly different from past President's inactions in regards to other atrocities?

Where was Clinton when Rwandans were slaughtering each other by the tens of thousands?

Where were Ford and Carter when Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge exterminated 1/5 of the population of Cambodia?

Where was LBJ when the Nigerian civil war left a million or more dead?

Where was FDR when the Russian POWs were forcibly repatriated to Stalin's USSR and were summarily executed?

What about the millions of dead North Koreans, victims of the Kim dynasty?

Bush is hardly the first President to look the other way.

bendog

09-07-2005, 09:08 AM

The difference would be that bushii has enuciated a policy that American GI's will die to stop stuff like this. But for us chickenhawks that's immaterial so long as we get a small piece of the tax cuts.

Rigs11

09-07-2005, 12:07 PM

What makes Bush's inaction in regards to those events vastly different from past President's inactions in regards to other atrocities?

Where was Clinton when Rwandans were slaughtering each other by the tens of thousands?

Where were Ford and Carter when Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge exterminated 1/5 of the population of Cambodia?

Where was LBJ when the Nigerian civil war left a million or more dead?

Where was FDR when the Russian POWs were forcibly repatriated to Stalin's USSR and were summarily executed?

What about the millions of dead North Koreans, victims of the Kim dynasty?

Bush is hardly the first President to look the other way.

If you had read the other posts instead of just jumping on this one, you would have noted that Cletus is always using the excuse that the reason we are in Iraq, among countless others, is that the dubya admin truly cares for the Iraqi people and "liberated" them from that evil Saddam. I simply called him out on why dubya hasn't done shet in those other countries? Got it? If you want to keep bringing up Clinton everytime someone questions the PRESENT president then go ahead.

W*GS

09-07-2005, 12:34 PM

I simply called him out on why dubya hasn't done shet in those other countries? Got it? If you want to keep bringing up Clinton everytime someone questions the PRESENT president then go ahead.

If Bush isn't different from past Presidents, then why restrict criticism to just him? It's like nailing him for being a white male.

Besides, if the President doesn't attempt to solve every problem, he can't attempt to solve problem X as opposed to problem Y? The US President isn't God.

That Bush isn't "fixing" the Sudan, or North Korea, or some other hellhole that the critic feels is more worthy of his efforts doesn't serve as a legitimate attack against his Iraq policy. There are other far more substantial critiques one can make.

Rigs11

09-07-2005, 12:56 PM

If Bush isn't different from past Presidents, then why restrict criticism to just him? It's like nailing him for being a white male.

Besides, if the President doesn't attempt to solve every problem, he can't attempt to solve problem X as opposed to problem Y? The US President isn't God.

That Bush isn't "fixing" the Sudan, or North Korea, or some other hellhole that the critic feels is more worthy of his efforts doesn't serve as a legitimate attack against his Iraq policy. There are other far more substantial critiques one can make.

Well then maybe the president should stop acting like he is.Bush is the CURRENT president, I don't know why you feel the need to defend him by comparing him to past presidents.A CEO in a company is responsible NOW, the people who own the company could care less what the the past ceo did, they want results from the current one. If not he is going to feel the backlash.

bendog

09-07-2005, 01:01 PM

If Bush isn't different from past Presidents, then why restrict criticism to just him? It's like nailing him for being a white male.

Besides, if the President doesn't attempt to solve every problem, he can't attempt to solve problem X as opposed to problem Y? The US President isn't God.

That Bush isn't "fixing" the Sudan, or North Korea, or some other hellhole that the critic feels is more worthy of his efforts doesn't serve as a legitimate attack against his Iraq policy. There are other far more substantial critiques one can make.

No other president "fudged" on intell to scare Americans into thinking a country was about to blow us up with a nuke or small pox, so it's difficult to criticize other potus's on that same basis

W*GS

09-07-2005, 01:27 PM

No other president "fudged" on intell to scare Americans into thinking a country was about to blow us up with a nuke or small pox, so it's difficult to criticize other potus's on that same basis

That's a good criticism - Bush either knowingly lied, or so exaggerated the available intel that he as good as lied.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-07-2005, 05:31 PM

Now now Rigs Saudia Arabia and Uzbeckistan, Egypt are Bush Allies. So it's ok for them to torture people, rape, plunder and pillage.

Not to mention that it's OK to look the other way when it comes to al Qaeda's activities in Central Asia.

Whatever it takes to make Bush's oil industry puppeteers happy.

errand

09-07-2005, 08:32 PM

Right here, by your own admission:

You use Arabic names as a means to disparage, the implication being that all Arabs and/or Muslims are terrorists or intrinsically evil people.

You deliberately avoid making any distinction between 'terrorists' and the general Muslim population.

the one who fails to see the difference between terrorists and the general muslim population is you and your leftist cronies....how else do you explain that your crying everytime a terrorist gets whacked by our troops...you clowns call it murder of innocent civilians by our troops.

ant1999e

09-07-2005, 08:32 PM

Contributed anything lately, 24?

No?

How predictable.

At least I haven't been chasing him around the boards for the better part of a week, like you and your cohorts have been doing.

So, I decided to take a little time out from the normal routine of ripping apart the resident Chef morons on the General Discussion Forum to assist LABF, as you all seem to be infatuated with his existence. So what....?

LOL
Nobody has to chase him. He posts on every board. Regardless of what the topic is and brings his political views up. And I've noticed you have been chasing him around today. I think you are infatuated with him. It is cute how you stick up for him. :stuck:

ant1999e

09-07-2005, 08:36 PM

They were regular people that had regular lives until we invaded their country.
In my world watching my family get murdered is not a regular life.

ant1999e

09-07-2005, 08:38 PM

Now now Rigs Saudia Arabia and Uzbeckistan, Egypt are Bush Allies. So it's ok for them to torture people, rape, plunder and pillage. If they are a Bush stooge it's fine we don't care. In fact the U.S. takes suspects to Egypt and let's them torture the person to get information. That's OK too as long as it's the "good" side doing it and not the "Evil doers."
If we did, I'm sure you'd b!tch about that too. He can't win with you freaks.
:hitself:

errand

09-07-2005, 08:39 PM

lets get off the mom jokes ok, i just got off yours.

Yeah LABF....kepp your mom out of this...and we'll try to keep "ours" out of your mom.

errand

09-07-2005, 08:43 PM

Hey jesus christ er uh LABF....since when do you know who cries to the mods....seems to me your the only crying. :pfbbt:

...actually, I'm sure he has a good idea, as virtually every mod is from the same mold as him. I'm not sure how many actaul mods there are...but recent memory says that Garcia Bronco is the only that comes to mind that hasn't agreed with this clown on a daily basis.

errand

09-07-2005, 08:45 PM

I asked for clarification.

Unlike so many of your right-wing, neo-fascist buddies, liberals won't try to vote you off the island just because they disagree with your views.

...no, you try to censor them by calling them homophobes, and racists.

errand

09-07-2005, 08:48 PM

They were regular people that had regular lives until we invaded their country.

...the question was were they murdered by our troops?

RunByDesign

09-07-2005, 08:49 PM

So, LABF is Batman, and you're Robin?

That made me laugh. :giggle:

RunByDesign

09-07-2005, 08:51 PM

Nobody has to chase him. He posts on every board. Regardless of what the topic is and brings his political views up. And I've noticed you have been chasing him around today. I think you are infatuated with him. It is cute how you stick up for him. :stuck:

"Every board", huh?

In the "War and Politics" thread, I assume. How that constitutes "every board", eludes me. Please explain. :dummy:

To address the latter part of your ridiculous post, I am glad that you are entertained.

ant1999e

09-07-2005, 08:53 PM

"Every board", huh?

In the "War and Politics" thread, I assume. How that constitutes "every board", eludes me. Please explain. :dummy:

To address the latter part of your ridiculous post, I am glad that you are entertained.
Sorry not board I mean thread. But it is true.

RunByDesign

09-07-2005, 08:55 PM

Sorry not board I mean thread. But it is true.

So, explain how he is violating any rule.

Sounds like he is simply dominating you.

errand

09-07-2005, 08:59 PM

If you had read the other posts instead of just jumping on this one, you would have noted that Cletus is always using the excuse that the reason we are in Iraq, among countless others, is that the dubya admin truly cares for the Iraqi people and "liberated" them from that evil Saddam. I simply called him out on why dubya hasn't done shet in those other countries? Got it? If you want to keep bringing up Clinton everytime someone questions the PRESENT president then go ahead.

so tell me Raghib11...are you advocating that we send our troops into the Sudan to murder, (your accusation, not mine) I mean liberate them as well? and if pray tell, Bush told you that we were invading those "other" nations because of the humanitarian reasons you libs love to spout off about...would that be justifiable in your mind?

Iraq, was run by a murderous dictator, who showed a propensity for aggression, and a willingness to use WMDs, a desire to own even deadlier WMDs, and who openly supported terrorists and terrorist organizations by giving them sites to train at, money to do their evil, and safe haven for those being pursued by opponents.

When Sudan is doing the same thing, then you can whine about why we're not there.

ant1999e

09-07-2005, 09:02 PM

So, explain how he is violating any rule.

Sounds like he is simply dominating you.
No he dominates you, but keep it private.
Didn't say he was breaking any rules. Just making an observation. Sorry I talked about your friend.

errand

09-07-2005, 09:02 PM

No other president "fudged" on intell to scare Americans into thinking a country was about to blow us up with a nuke or small pox, so it's difficult to criticize other potus's on that same basis

Really? You mena like when we were told in the late 90's that Saddam had WMD's and was a legitimate threat, and that the government had to buy up all the flu vaccine in order to make sure we would be safe from getting it?

RunByDesign

09-07-2005, 09:08 PM

No he dominates you, but keep it private.
Didn't say he was breaking any rules. Just making an observation. Sorry I talked about your friend.

Just an observation?

Sounds much more to me, like you are sick of being cyber-slapped by him and are too less of a man to do something about it.

Anyways, keep crying about it, it seems to suit you.

ant1999e

09-07-2005, 09:13 PM

Just an observation?

Sounds much more to me, like you are sick of being cyber-slapped by him and are too less of a man to do something about it.

Anyways, keep crying about it, it seems to suit you.
Unlike you, I don't like to be slapped by him.

RunByDesign

09-07-2005, 09:15 PM

I don't like to be slapped by him.

That much is apparent.

Too bad you can't seem to control the frequency with which it occurs. :hitself:

ant1999e

09-07-2005, 09:17 PM

That much is apparent.

Too bad you can't seem to control the frequency with which it occurs. :hitself:
I like how you only posted part of what I wrote. Typical.

RunByDesign

09-07-2005, 09:22 PM

I like how you only posted part of what I wrote. Typical.

Well, allow me to address the other part of your quote, (although ridiculous and without substance...but I guess that should go for the whole post..)

Unlike you

LABF hasn't slapped me lately, so your insinuation that I liked to be slapped by him is well....just stupid.

But hey! Carry on. Don't let me stop your erroneous banter!

I will guess....that should subdue the crying for now. :moody:

Atlas

09-07-2005, 09:24 PM

...the question was were they murdered by our troops?

I saw an Iraqi get blowen away by a 50 cal because he was traveling to close to a convoy.

I saw a five ton army truck run a car into a ditch because it was trying to pass the convoy. A little boy died from that incident and their was an investigation. That's the last I heard of it.

Atlas

09-07-2005, 09:28 PM

...the question was were they murdered by our troops?

I have plenty of pics if you want me to post them.

ant1999e

09-07-2005, 09:29 PM

Well, allow me to address the other part of your quote, (although ridiculous and without substance...but I guess that should go for the whole post..)

Unlike you

LABF hasn't slapped me lately, so your insinuation that I liked to be slapped by him is well....just stupid.

But hey! Carry on. Don't let me stop your erroneous banter!

I will guess....that should subdue the crying for now. :moody:
Yeah, I'm laughing now. Thanks.

Rigs11

09-07-2005, 10:09 PM

so tell me Raghib11...are you advocating that we send our troops into the Sudan to murder, (your accusation, not mine) I mean liberate them as well? and if pray tell, Bush told you that we were invading those "other" nations because of the humanitarian reasons you libs love to spout off about...would that be justifiable in your mind?

Iraq, was run by a murderous dictator, who showed a propensity for aggression, and a willingness to use WMDs, a desire to own even deadlier WMDs, and who openly supported terrorists and terrorist organizations by giving them sites to train at, money to do their evil, and safe haven for those being pursued by opponents.

When Sudan is doing the same thing, then you can whine about why we're not there.

Ahh instead of answering the questions I asked you pose others? Figures. You got no balls.So now you are back to using WMDS, which were never found, as reason to going in Iraq? I see that the "liberation" excuse didn't hold up. You are so much like Dubya it's funny and disturbing.

Rigs11

09-07-2005, 10:13 PM

I have plenty of pics if you want me to post them.

Post some links for Errond. I'm sure he would like to see the "liberated" Iraqis. The facts would slap him in the face though and he would wuss out and tell us that we don't support our troops, or attack the messenger.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-07-2005, 10:16 PM

Really? You mena like when we were told in the late 90's that Saddam had WMD's and was a legitimate threat, and that the government had to buy up all the flu vaccine in order to make sure we would be safe from getting it?

:bs:

We weren't "told" that Saddam had WMD.

This was simply assumed by the right since Saddam kicked the U.N. inspectors out.

Both Powell and Rice were on the record in 2001 saying Saddam had no WMD and had been successfully disarmed, so your point is moot anyway.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

09-07-2005, 10:22 PM

You are so much like Dubya it's funny and disturbing.

A fascinating phenomenon, isn't it?

Remember when the Kennebunkport Cowboy said "I'm just a media creation?"

Such is the evil genius of Karl Rove.

Turd Blossom has an uncanny ability to craft GeeDubya's image so as to reflect the Orwellian rat's nest that constitutes a psyche for folks like errand.

W*GS

09-08-2005, 08:03 AM

Bush is the CURRENT president, I don't know why you feel the need to defend him by comparing him to past presidents.

If Bush is scum because of his inaction in regards to the other tragedies in the world, then so were those other Presidents, in their time. Bush doesn't deserve to be singled out because of his inaction, because, like I said, no President in US history has ever fixed all the problems in the world during his tenure in office.

You're attempting to create a difference where there is none.

bendog

09-08-2005, 09:23 AM

I don't think he's scum, nor do I necessarily think nation building is inevitably a bad thing in every case. But I think his notion that we could build a unified democrat Iraq that would like us was either a hopelessly niave "crusade," or he really thought they'd just let us loot the place.

Rigs11

09-08-2005, 09:43 AM

If Bush is scum because of his inaction in regards to the other tragedies in the world, then so were those other Presidents, in their time. Bush doesn't deserve to be singled out because of his inaction, because, like I said, no President in US history has ever fixed all the problems in the world during his tenure in office.

You're attempting to create a difference where there is none.

Again you are missing the point. I only simply pointed out that Bush used the "democracy" and the "libeation from evil dictators" as excuses for going into Iraq. So I called Cletus out on this and asked why Dubya hasn't done shet in other countries.I don't expect Dubya to fix all the world's problems.You on the other hand need to stop using the "they did it too" excuse. Dubya is the president now, if he screws up than he is going to hear about it. It comes with the job.