Is anyone seriously scared of the Raiders?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Yes, they got some nice shiny toys for the offense.

But Norv Turner is still their head coach and Chiefs fans know how well keeping the same players and changing the scheme works for fixing a defense.

[Meck77]

No...We already went over this with Raiders Rock last week. Nobody here fears the Raiders. Only fear around here is RR fearing the Broncos.

[SoCalBronco]

Yes. They are a real threat. I have been impressed by their first stringers this preseason. Young but very talented line with Gallery, Grove and Walker. Skill positions are very strong. Collins has looked really good so far. Defense still quite problematic on each of the three levels but not as awful as people think. LBs are gonna really struggle though. Overall, it is a team to be reckoned with.

[Meck77]

Yes.

huh? You really fear the Raiders SoCal?

[SoCalBronco]

huh? You really fear the Raiders SoCal?

As I expanded on my point above, their offense will cause great problems even for good defensive teams like us. And if they play more 4-3 this year and reorganize their parts a little better rather than forcing guys like Brayton to be a LB, the defense wont be god awful. It will be still be below average to be certain but not dead last or anything. Maybe around the early 20s.

[Ballhawk]

I have a healthy respect for all Division rivals. It is very hard to win a division game on the road, but fear...no. We will be the best team but that doesn't always = Win.

[SoCalBronco]

I have a healthy respect for all Division rivals. It is very hard to win a division game on the road, but fear...no. We will be the best team but that doesn't always = Win.

I think pretty much all four teams are equal this year.

[Ballhawk]

I think pretty much all four teams are equal this year.

You are just playing it cool. Did you get the BAR results yet?

[Hogan11]

F' The Raiders....enough said.

[SoCalBronco]

You are just playing it cool. Did you get the BAR results yet?

nope

[Meck77]

ok so we have some people who fear the raiders and 8 votes for no...something doesn't add up.

I agree Hogan **** the Raiders. They are still a below .500 team until they prove otherwise. No fear here.

I give them 8 wins @ best.

[Bronco9798]

It doesn't matter if you fear them. It's how you play them that day. We're a better team, but that don't mean squat if you don't show up that day.

[Bronco LB 59]

Here's the number one reason why I don't fear the scumbag Raiders:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/BroncoLB56/DirtbagLoser.jpg

8 seasons as NFL head coach, 1 postseason appearance

[OrangeShadow]

Yeah their defense puts the fear of god into me.....


































rofl its hard typing that with a straight face

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I think pretty much all four teams are equal this year.

Bah, that's ridiculous. The Raiders are clearly the losers of the 4.

Everyone in the division has an offense. Denver and SD have good defenses, and KC should be at least average this year on D.

Oakland did almost nothing to improve theirs.

[OrangeShadow]

almost? they did NOTHING. so they drafted a rookie corner big deal. id be shocked if their D wasnt last in the league

[Ratboy]

http://www.davidruprecht.com/main/sweepphotos/sms2.jpg

[PatsWin2002]

I believe Meck bought this on Ebay: Ha!

But it would make a great avatar for someone here.

[Rohirrim]

http://www.emcity.com/images/LionCloseup4.jpg
I ain't afraid of nobody!

[Bronx33]

http://www.dinigroup.com/~atinsley/kittens/week4/madie6_l.jpg

Fear this.......

[Raider Bill]

Bah, that's ridiculous. The Raiders are clearly the losers of the 4.

Everyone in the division has an offense. Denver and SD have good defenses, and KC should be at least average this year on D.


Oakland did almost nothing to improve theirs.


We didnt make the sexy moves that KC did, but to say we did nothing is ridiculous.

T Ed Jasper/ex-Falcon, June 27; LB Jay Foreman/ex-Texan, May 12; UFA CB Renaldo Hill/ex-Cardinal, April 11 (one year); UFA DT Kenny Smith/ex-Saint, March 31; UFA DE Derrick Burgess/ex-Eagle, March 12 (five years, $17.5 million); UFA RB LaMont Jordan/ex-Jet, March 3 (five years, $27.5 million, $11 million guaranteed); WR Randy Moss/ex-Viking, March 2 (acquired from Minnesota in exchange for LB Napoleon Harris, the seventh overall pick in the 2005 draft and


KC's defense couldnt keep one of the leagues best offenses in the game. Our defense had to contend with the worst TOP, the worst rushing attack and a middle of the pack scoring offense. Hell, we were in both of those KC games with all this working against us. Those factors all figure to improve.

[No1BroncoFan]

I believe Meck bought this on Ebay: Ha!

But it would make a great avatar for someone here.
I hereby nominate this as RR's new avatar.

TJ, please make it so!

Ben

[Bob's your Information Minister]

KC's defense couldnt keep one of the leagues best offenses in the game.

Wrong again. The Chiefs were in every game. In some cases the defense kept the offense in the game.

Meanwhile the Raiders lost by double digits FIVE TIMES. FOUR of those were complete blowouts. :drown:

And I said you did ALMOST nothing. Signing a few bit players qualifies.

[Raider Bill]

Wrong again. The Chiefs were in every game. In some cases the defense kept the offense in the game.

Meanwhile the Raiders lost by double digits FIVE TIMES. FOUR of those were complete blowouts. :drown:


None at the hands of Kansas ****ty though!

It's not like our starting quarterback went down or anything.

We lost 6 games by 7 or less.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

None at the hands of Kansas ****ty though!

It's not like our starting quarterback went down or anything.

And you're stuck with the same QB. Does that mean another losing season?

[Raider Bill]

And I said you did ALMOST nothing. Signing a few bit players qualifies.


Has Kendrell "That's MY Whirlpool" Bell been let out of his isolation bubble yet?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

We lost 6 games by 7 or less.

You still got BLOWN OUT in 4 others. KC didn't even sniff a blowout all year.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Has Kendrell "That's MY Whirlpool" Bell been let out of his isolation bubble yet?

He's starting this Friday.

[SoCalBronco]

You still got BLOWN OUT in 4 others. KC didn't even sniff a blowout all year.

You were forcibly raped by San Diego's scrubs.

[Raider Bill]

It's not like we were running entirely new systems on offense, defense,and special teams with an entirely different staff and our starting RB and QB went down early in the year. Our entire offense consisted of a WR corps that was green, and Collins' right arm.

Our defense wasn't caretaking a top flite offense like KC's was, and still sucking pole.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You were forcibly raped by San Diego's scrubs.

Who cares? That has zero bearing on this conversation. You Donk fans deflect far too much.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

It's not like we were running entirely new systems on offense, defense,and special teams with an entirely different staff and our starting RB and QB went down early in the year. Our entire offense consisted of a WR corps that was green, and Collins' right arm.

Our defense wasn't caretaking a top flite offense like KC's was, and still sucking pole.

Who cares. We're going to sweep your ass again. How does six in a row sound?

[Raider Bill]

You still got BLOWN OUT in 4 others. KC didn't even sniff a blowout all year.

We were inconsistent, and lacking a runningback. We infused a decent amount of youth into the lineup last year and cut ties with just about every member of the Super Bowl team so some inconsistency was to be expected.

Moving back to a base 4-3 and ditching No Play Ray Buchanon were two of the best moves this team could have made.

[SoCalBronco]

Who cares? That has zero bearing on this conversation. You Donk fans deflect far too much.

It goes to the very heart of the matter.

You just claimed the Chiefs werent blown out a single time last year.

[Raider Bill]

Who cares. We're going to sweep your ass again. How does six in a row sound?

I doubt it. We have the pieces in place to light up that whack assed secondary that you'll be running out there.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

It goes to the very heart of the matter.

You just claimed the Chiefs werent blown out a single time last year.

They weren't. They lost by 7 points. Thanks for playing.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I doubt it. We have the pieces in place to light up that whack assed secondary that you'll be running out there.

Whack assed? Now you're really reaching. We imported half of the NFL's No. 2 secondary.

All we have to do is blitz Kerry Collins anyway.

Your D will ensure we win both games anyway. I know it doesn't seem like it now, but you will realize during the season what a huge mistake it was not to bring in any defensive playmakers. Chiefs fans went through the same thing last year.

[baja]

Although we will be a strong team this season we would be wise to have a healthy respect for every team we play, doubly so for a division rival.

[Raider Bill]

Whack assed? Now you're really reaching. We imported half of the NFL's No. 2 secondary.

You're a dope. Miami gave up so few passing yards because teams were lighting them up to the tune of 143 yards per game on the ground.

Unless you brought in Dawkins and Sheppard or someone like that, you didn't import half of the league's 2nd best secondary.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You're a dope. Miami gave up so few passing yards because teams were lighting them up to the tune of 143 yards per game on the ground.

Unless you brought in Dawkins and Sheppard or someone like that, you didn't import half of the league's 2nd best secondary.

You're the dope.

Miami allowed just a 56.2% completion percentage (6th) and only 6.48 yards per attempt (also 6th in the league).

[Paladin]

Maybe you two should get a room....?

[Raider Bill]

You're the dope.

Miami allowed just a 56.2% completion percentage (6th) and only 6.48 yards per attempt (also 6th in the league).


Firstly, you said SECOND BEST

Secondly who cares? The point is Miami did not have the second best secondary in the league in 2004.

You're taking one bull**** statistic and trumpeting it like it's relevant somehow.


I can do it too... Oakland was tied for 3rd in rushing yards per play allowed... .damn our run defense rulez!

[SoCalBronco]

Bob just because a team gave up few passing yards does not mean that it has a great secondary.

There are many inferences that can be drawn from this fact.

a. They have a really good pass rush.

b. Their LBs are good in pass coverage and shut down alot of the TE and RB passes and WR routes that are run in their zones.

c. They are really weak against the run and thats what teams did to them instead (This was Bill's alternate inference).

Dont just assume there is only one inference you can get from a fact.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Firstly, you said SECOND BEST

Secondly who cares? The point is Miami did not have the second best secondary in the league in 2004.

You're taking one bull**** statistic and trumpeting it like it's relevant somehow.


I can do it too... Oakland was tied for 3rd in rushing yards per play allowed... .damn our run defense rulez!

That was the ranking by yardage. You said it was bull****. I pointed out they were ranked highly in other stats not related to # of attempts, therefore proving that you are WRONG.

Seriously, are you somehow trying to prove that the Chiefs imported two pass defenders that SUCK? rofl

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bob just because a team gave up few passing yards does not mean that it has a great secondary.

There are many inferences that can be drawn from this fact.

a. They have a really good pass rush.

b. Their LBs are good in pass coverage and shut down alot of the TE and RB passes and WR routes that are run in their zones.

c. They are really weak against the run and thats what teams did to them instead (This was Bill's alternate inference).

Dont just assume there is only one inference you can get from a fact.

A. The Dolphins had fewer sacks than the Chiefs

B. Can you name any Dolphin LB that strikes you as "good in pass coverage?"

C. I don't think the Dolphins were THAT weak against the run. They gave up alot of rushing yards because their time of possession was really low.

Really, do you have ANYTHING that proves Miami's secondary wasn't dynamite?

And like I said, yards per attempt is also a greater indicator than total yards allowed...just like yards per rush attempt. The Chiefs were ranked 12th in rush defense, but we know their run D was not that great.

[SoCalBronco]

Bob if we look at yards per attempt defense as you suggest, we find that Miami was in the bottom half of the league giving up 4.3 a pop.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bob if we look at yards per attempt defense as you suggest, we find that Miami was in the bottom half of the league giving up 4.3 a pop.

Sure, Surtain and Knight are defensive backs though.

[SoCalBronco]

Sure, Surtain and Knight are defensive backs though.

We're going in circles here, Bob.

I put out 3 alternative inferences. You challenged the third. I am saying the third has merit with some more facts. Your bringing up something irrelevant now.

Yeah, they are DBs. But the whole thing is that the passing yardage is lower because teams are running on Miami instead.

[BroncoFanDoug]

The 2ndRaters have a long history of self implosion - if things start to go bad, they go really bad.

Their most significant addition has a history of participating and even creating implosion.

If they lose 2 in a row anytime in the season they can kiss it goodbye.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

We're going in circles here, Bob.

I put out 3 alternative inferences. You challenged the third. I am saying the third has merit with some more facts. Your bringing up something irrelevant now.

Yeah, they are DBs. But the whole thing is that the passing yardage is lower because teams are running on Miami instead.

Yes. How does that in any way make the pass defense anything less than stellar? The passing yards per attempt were similarly low. Look at the passing yards per attempt of the other top secondaries.

How else do you define a good secondary? Don't say interceptions, because the 2003 Chiefs had a buttload.

[DBroncos4life]

Would you fear getting a STD from wacking off?

[Perry1977]

Here's the number one reason why I don't fear the scumbag Raiders:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/BroncoLB56/DirtbagLoser.jpg

8 seasons as NFL head coach, 1 postseason appearance


Looks like they will lead the league in pock marks.

[Raider Bill]

That was the ranking by yardage. You said it was bull****. I pointed out they were ranked highly in other stats not related to # of attempts, therefore proving that you are WRONG.

Seriously, are you somehow trying to prove that the Chiefs imported two pass defenders that SUCK? rofl

Well I know one thing Bob Sir Tan sucks at covering Moss

Surtain had to be given true double team help from Brock Marion . In the Fins/Vikings game in Week 16 of '02, Marion was lined up about 7 yards from Surtain pre-snap, as the 2 formed a tight bracket around Moss wherever he went (of course this coverage scheme was dictated after Moss easily blew by Surtain early in the game - despite Surtain being lined up in man-off about 10 to 12 yards off the LOS).


And by the way, it was no small issue that Marion was tied up on almost every play double-teaming Moss because on numerous 3rd and short yardage situations, the Vikings ran the ball for the needed yardage to maintain possession --- and this was a big reason why they pulled off an upset over the Fins (who at the time were in the running for a 1st rd playoff bye - but as we all know ended up losing again the following week which eliminated them from playoff contention).

[Kaylore]

No. I'm not afraid of the Raiders. Honestly, I think their O isn't going to be as amazing as everyone is hyping it to be and their D isn't going to be as bad as people are hyping it. I think they'll be above average, but that's it. Turner and Collins are why they will never be anything more.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Well I know one thing Bob Sir Tan sucks at covering Moss

Surtain had to be given true double team help from Brock Marion . In the Fins/Vikings game in Week 16 of '02, Marion was lined up about 7 yards from Surtain pre-snap, as the 2 formed a tight bracket around Moss wherever he went (of course this coverage scheme was dictated after Moss easily blew by Surtain early in the game - despite Surtain being lined up in man-off about 10 to 12 yards off the LOS).


And by the way, it was no small issue that Marion was tied up on almost every play double-teaming Moss because on numerous 3rd and short yardage situations, the Vikings ran the ball for the needed yardage to maintain possession --- and this was a big reason why they pulled off an upset over the Fins (who at the time were in the running for a 1st rd playoff bye - but as we all know ended up losing again the following week which eliminated them from playoff contention).

No CB can cover Moss one on one.

[MistrSynistr]

Do you want to know why I'm a Denver Broncos fan? I grew up in Buffalo New York...and yes, this directly relates to this topic.

Well, when I was young, dumb, and full of ignorance and stupidity...knowing absolutely nothing about football..all I knew was that it was 'cool' to hate your home team around age 8 or 9....

So of course, I had to pick a mean, menacing team...one that would scare those pesky Bills fans back into their dirty little caves.

After minimal research...I found my team. The Los Angeles RAIDERS.

Oh yes. Vengeance would be MINE! :boxing:

So, I picked up some cheesy Raiders gear, one of those cute throw over STARTER jackets that were popular back in the early 90's or late 80's...and my pops scored tickets to the Bills/Raiders playoff game, back in 1990?-1991? Well...my dad's like "Son..I know the Raiders are real tough. Tough guys...but...as a suggestion..it might not be the best idea to wear that jacket to the Bills game..."

What?! He can't be serious. The Raiders are FEARED throughout the world! The SILVER AND BLACK attack!!! I brushed it off, and proudly wore my coat to the game.

Well...as we enter the Rich Stadium(not Ralph Wilson) parking lot...late December...SPLOSH!!!! Someone drives by, swerves and sprays ice water all over me. Mind you, there's snow everywhere. So.."real cute"..I think..and after 50 "Get the fu ck outta here!" "Gay-ass Raiders!" and numberous other chants I made it inside.

Once snuggled down in our almost nosebleed seats...I watch the score go from 7-0.........to 21-0.........to 45-3...................to 51-3.........oh, and the Raiders weren't ahead. After numberous iceballs being tossed in my direction..the kicker at the end of the game was the high level, someone decided to give this good ol' Raiders fan a going away present..a nice, 32 oz. beer from one level up, directly down the back of my coat.

Yes, indeed, I got home...tossed that crap in the trash...and never looked back.

Moral of the story? Raiders suck. ^5 ^5

I still wanted to be different, so I picked the Broncos that very day since they were in the same bracket. Been a fan ever since.

Oh, and the Bill's fans are the very worst. Forget Philly and the Raiders...these guys make the top lists every year. Check out Maxim mags listing. Buffalo is nuts. They got alot of frustration to release, believe me.

[Needa Pass Rush]

Yes, they got some nice shiny toys for the offense.

But Norv Turner is still their head coach and Chiefs fans know how well keeping the same players and changing the scheme works for fixing a defense.

The chiefs barely squeaked by the raiders last year. Has KC's shiny new toys on D offset Norvie's shiny new O toys? From the outside looking in, it doesn't appear so.


W 34 - 27 12/05/04 at Oakland Raiders 3:05 PM CBS
W 49 - 38 12/13/04 at Tennessee Titans 8:00 PM ABC+
W 45 - 17 12/19/04 Denver Broncos 12:00 PM CBS+
W 31 - 30 12/25/04 Oakland Raiders 4:00 PM CBS+
L 17 - 24 01/02/05 at San Diego Chargers 3:15 PM CBS

[-Slap-]

We didnt make the sexy moves that KC did, but to say we did nothing is ridiculous.

T Ed Jasper/ex-Falcon, June 27; LB Jay Foreman/ex-Texan, May 12; UFA CB Renaldo Hill/ex-Cardinal, April 11 (one year); UFA DT Kenny Smith/ex-Saint, March 31; UFA DE Derrick Burgess/ex-Eagle, March 12 (five years, $17.5 million); UFA RB LaMont Jordan/ex-Jet, March 3 (five years, $27.5 million, $11 million guaranteed); WR Randy Moss/ex-Viking, March 2 (acquired from Minnesota in exchange for LB Napoleon Harris, the seventh overall pick in the 2005 draft and


KC's defense couldnt keep one of the leagues best offenses in the game. Our defense had to contend with the worst TOP, the worst rushing attack and a middle of the pack scoring offense. Hell, we were in both of those KC games with all this working against us. Those factors all figure to improve.
Chuck Foreman's kid was a nice signing at a need area. Obviously Jordan was a good signing. Burgess can play, but he's more fragile than Courtney. Nothing else there to get real excited about.

[Raider Bill]

Chuck Foreman's kid was a nice signing at a need area. Obviously Jordan was a good signing. Burgess can play, but he's more fragile than Courtney. Nothing else there to get real excited about.

Half of Oaklands problems stemmed from 3rd down and No Play Ray's struggles at free safety. Schweigerts play thus far is a huge upgrade to anything Buchanon did..

We have a decent DT rotation going on where Ted and Sapp won't be playing so many snaps.

P Burnt played horribly, if Asomogha is terrible it's a wash. If he's steady and unspectacular it's an upgrade. Being a safety in college he at least attempts to defend the run. I saw PBuc whiff badly on a long td run in the Hou Dallas game.

[Hogan11]

Oh, and the Bill's fans are the very worst. Forget Philly and the Raiders...these guys make the top lists every year. Check out Maxim mags listing. Buffalo is nuts. They got alot of frustration to release, believe me.

Precisely why I'm going to San Diego for an away game rather than 90 miles to my northwest. Bills fans are animals, especially if they're anywhere near contention for anything.

I have never been to the Ralph without having some drunken fools feeling it's their duty to get into the face and try to start crap with me. Anyone who has met me here can tell you I'm no "smack warrior" at these things so other than wearing my team's garb, I do nothing to provoke them. After 1990, I vowed never to return, no matter what......and I haven't.

Strange thing about Buffalo is if I go to a Sabres game in full Flyers regalia, nothing is ever said to me and I'm treated fairly well. Going to shows in the clubs/bars there, same thing...never encountered a problem at all. They just freak out @ Bills games and go on the warpath for some reason.

To those going to the game there in December....be careful and stay safe. That's the best advice I can give you and the best I can hope for you.

[Bronx33]

Do you want to know why I'm a Denver Broncos fan? I grew up in Buffalo New York...and yes, this directly relates to this topic.

Well, when I was young, dumb, and full of ignorance and stupidity...knowing absolutely nothing about football..all I knew was that it was 'cool' to hate your home team around age 8 or 9....

So of course, I had to pick a mean, menacing team...one that would scare those pesky Bills fans back into their dirty little caves.

After minimal research...I found my team. The Los Angeles RAIDERS.

Oh yes. Vengeance would be MINE! :boxing:

So, I picked up some cheesy Raiders gear, one of those cute throw over STARTER jackets that were popular back in the early 90's or late 80's...and my pops scored tickets to the Bills/Raiders playoff game, back in 1990?-1991? Well...my dad's like "Son..I know the Raiders are real tough. Tough guys...but...as a suggestion..it might not be the best idea to wear that jacket to the Bills game..."

What?! He can't be serious. The Raiders are FEARED throughout the world! The SILVER AND BLACK attack!!! I brushed it off, and proudly wore my coat to the game.

Well...as we enter the Rich Stadium(not Ralph Wilson) parking lot...late December...SPLOSH!!!! Someone drives by, swerves and sprays ice water all over me. Mind you, there's snow everywhere. So.."real cute"..I think..and after 50 "Get the fu ck outta here!" "Gay-ass Raiders!" and numberous other chants I made it inside.

Once snuggled down in our almost nosebleed seats...I watch the score go from 7-0.........to 21-0.........to 45-3...................to 51-3.........oh, and the Raiders weren't ahead. After numberous iceballs being tossed in my direction..the kicker at the end of the game was the high level, someone decided to give this good ol' Raiders fan a going away present..a nice, 32 oz. beer from one level up, directly down the back of my coat.

Yes, indeed, I got home...tossed that crap in the trash...and never looked back.

Moral of the story? Raiders suck. ^5 ^5

I still wanted to be different, so I picked the Broncos that very day since they were in the same bracket. Been a fan ever since.

Oh, and the Bill's fans are the very worst. Forget Philly and the Raiders...these guys make the top lists every year. Check out Maxim mags listing. Buffalo is nuts. They got alot of frustration to release, believe me.



LOL! what a killer story!

[-Slap-]

I fear no man and only one ex-girlfriend, but sweeping a divisional rival is never easy.

Its also going to be aggravating to play Oakland this year because they'll be going deep and begging for PI calls all game long.

[No1BroncoFan]

Although we will be a strong team this season we would be wise to have a healthy respect for every team we play, doubly so for a division rival.
Healthy respect, yes. Fear, no! After the last several seasons I wouldn't take Bear Creek High lightly, let alone any one of the other 31 NFL teams. But, somehow, the team seems to do so at least once or twice each year!

F' the Rai_ers!

Ben

[bloodsunday]

Depends on what you mean by "scared". If I had to beat them in one game, then yeah I'd be worried. They are the type of team that could win on any given week with their offense. However, I don't see them as being a division winning type threat.

[TheManeMan]

I'm more scared of this crazy ass dog rather than CHoakland...

http://www.resourceinvestor.com/MediaLib/Images/Home/Blog/dog.jpg

[Bronx33]

Good Gawd! bat/beast/yoda/vampire/monkey.... zowie!

[rbackfactory80]

Precisely why I'm going to San Diego for an away game rather than 90 miles to my northwest. Bills fans are animals, especially if they're anywhere near contention for anything.

I have never been to the Ralph without having some drunken fools feeling it's their duty to get into the face and try to start crap with me. Anyone who has met me here can tell you I'm no "smack warrior" at these things so other than wearing my team's garb, I do nothing to provoke them. After 1990, I vowed never to return, no matter what......and I haven't.

Strange thing about Buffalo is if I go to a Sabres game in full Flyers regalia, nothing is ever said to me and I'm treated fairly well. Going to shows in the clubs/bars there, same thing...never encountered a problem at all. They just freak out @ Bills games and go on the warpath for some reason.

To those going to the game there in December....be careful and stay safe. That's the best advice I can give you and the best I can hope for you.


Buffalo is a madhouse. It can easily be one of the most hostile crowds going. My friend got a beer thrown on him for wearing a jets jersey in Ralph Wilson.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The chiefs barely squeaked by the raiders last year. Has KC's shiny new toys on D offset Norvie's shiny new O toys? From the outside looking in, it doesn't appear so.


W 34 - 27 12/05/04 at Oakland Raiders 3:05 PM CBS
W 49 - 38 12/13/04 at Tennessee Titans 8:00 PM ABC+
W 45 - 17 12/19/04 Denver Broncos 12:00 PM CBS+
W 31 - 30 12/25/04 Oakland Raiders 4:00 PM CBS+
L 17 - 24 01/02/05 at San Diego Chargers 3:15 PM CBS

What? Why doesn't it "appear" so?

They add Moss. We add a corner and safety to handle him.

They add a RB. We add two linebackers.

How are those moves not compensating?

[rbackfactory80]

Precisely why I'm going to San Diego for an away game rather than 90 miles to my northwest. Bills fans are animals, especially if they're anywhere near contention for anything.

I have never been to the Ralph without having some drunken fools feeling it's their duty to get into the face and try to start crap with me. Anyone who has met me here can tell you I'm no "smack warrior" at these things so other than wearing my team's garb, I do nothing to provoke them. After 1990, I vowed never to return, no matter what......and I haven't.

Strange thing about Buffalo is if I go to a Sabres game in full Flyers regalia, nothing is ever said to me and I'm treated fairly well. Going to shows in the clubs/bars there, same thing...never encountered a problem at all. They just freak out @ Bills games and go on the warpath for some reason.

To those going to the game there in December....be careful and stay safe. That's the best advice I can give you and the best I can hope for you.

I have sported other teams jerseys in there and I definitely will during the denver game. The denver game is dec 15 so if anybody wants to start with me thats fine because it is a night game in dec and I will have at least 10 layers of armor/clothing. BUt the diehard fans will be especially pumped for this prime time game not to mention it is late in the season and the game will probably mean something for both teams.

[Hogan11]

Buffalo is a madhouse. It can easily be one of the most hostile crowds going. My friend got a beer thrown on him for wearing a jets jersey in Ralph Wilson.

I've seen an entire section get on a little kid in Steelers garb...complete with thrown drinks and a section-wide Azzhole chant. Oh, I suppose they had to "represent" or some crap ::), whatta classless bunch they are.

Security was non-existant for this (as usual unless an actual fist fight breaks out). Yup, it's a real fun place.

[Raiders Rock]

No...We already went over this with Raiders Rock last week. Nobody here fears the Raiders. Only fear around here is RR fearing the Broncos.

Eat sh!t and die fatboy, your obsession with me is disturbing

[GonzoLays]

Calling out RaidersRock? You have been missing in action since week six. Calling out the bitch known as RaidersRock.