MoC to get cut?

[bloodsunday]

As we all know, it's being widely speculated that MoC will get cut? Assuming that happens, what's the opinion of the Maners about this?

[baja]

he goes to IR or PS IMO

[Arkie]

Good riddance. He's a quitter in everything he does.

[RhymesayersDU]

I'd be dissapointed, only because his contract is so friendly to us. I mean, there's no reason not to keep him, considering how low we're paying him.

But other than that, who cares.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I'll be surprised if Shanahan has already determined he's unsalvagable and cut his losses this quick.

[ludo21]

I hope he either shows up in the last games and gives us reason to keep him, but if not, shanny better not keep him or will lose a little respect from the team consdiering they were all bashing clarret a little over a week ago.

[bloodsunday]

I voted for what the !$!$%^ was Shanny thinking. It took me 2 days just to get my head around it. I almost bought into it for a while, but now I'm pissed.

By the way, you guys are fast! I had 4 replies before I finished the poll :)

[Bronco LB 59]

I'll be surprised if Shanahan has already determined he's unsalvagable and cut his losses this quick.


My sentiments exactly. Tatum Bell didn't suit up until the final preseason game last season against Arizona. Shanahan said this past week that Clarett will play against the Cardinals in Tempe in game four.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

So much for TJ's delusions of grandeur.

[bloodsunday]

I'll be surprised if Shanahan has already determined he's unsalvagable and cut his losses this quick.
What do you do then? You got 5 tailbacks and Denver doesn't usually carry more than 3. Tough spot. The guy appears to have a loner's attitude and hasn't shown you anything. If you cut him know, you are really only out the draft pick.

[ludo21]

So much for TJ's delusions of grandeur.

wow its a pleasure to see you post now with ur new avatar :~ohyah!:

[Clockwork Orange]

So much for TJ's delusions of grandeur.

And yours will live on for about another two weeks.

[bloodsunday]

So much for TJ's delusions of grandeur.
Guess we know who voted for show Shanny the door.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

What do you do then? You got 5 tailbacks and Denver doesn't usually carry more than 3. Tough spot. The guy appears to have a loner's attitude and hasn't shown you anything. If you cut him know, you are really only out the draft pick.

Bell, Dayne, Clarett, Johnson and MA.

[Bronco LB 59]

I know Schefter has good sources in Denver, but when he made that report today, he was speaking on purely speculation. The coaching staff won't even start talking about the cuts until after tomorrow night's game.

[DBroncos4life]

The sun will come out tomorrow you can bet your bottom dollar.

[bloodsunday]

Bell, Dayne, Clarett, Johnson and MA.
So your thinking we keep one FB and cut Griffin? Could happen. It will take a Hape like comeback for MoC to make the roster, IMO.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Anderson doubles as the #2 FB

[DBroncos4life]

Bell, Dayne, Clarett, Johnson and MA.


I will throw up if a guy that made it to 3 practices makes this team over Q.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I will throw up if a guy that made it to 3 practices makes this team over Q.

Let me know when Q doesn't fall over from a strong gust of wind

[bloodsunday]

I know Schefter has good sources in Denver, but when he made that report today, he was speaking on purely speculation. The coaching staff won't even start talking about the cuts until after tomorrow night's game.
If it were anyone but Schefter, I'd let you get by with that. I'm not saying its a lock, but Schefter is a pretty good source when it comes to Denver. I don't see Mo playing much tomorrow, but I think Denver keeps him until game 4 where he plays himself on or off this roster. I am thinking off, but I agree with the sentiment that he gets every chance.

Still, the question is what do you think, IF, he gets cut?

[baja]

We will trade a running back, which one who knows.

[bloodsunday]

Let me know when Q doesn't fall over from a strong gust of wind
More importantly, what's Q's role on this team? We don't use a "3rd down back". He can't return kicks. He's too small to be and every down back. I don't know what he offers us that we can't get somewhere else. I really hope that someone comes to the plate with a trade for him.

[DBroncos4life]

Let me know when Q doesn't fall over from a strong gust of wind

Yeah let me know when MoC is ok enough to practice.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

And yours will live on for about another two weeks.

Possibly.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Guess we know who voted for show Shanny the door.

I haven't voted.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Now I voted. WTF was Shanny thinking? At least you only lost a 3rd round pick.

All in all, it was worth the gamble.

[DB-Freak]

So you wouldn't keep a more upsided player just because there is another player who practiced more than MoC?

There are what you call long term and potential investments. Q doesn't really have that.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Probably.

Fixed it for you

[Arkie]

I would rather keep Q. Potential from quitters like Mo is never realized. Q has shown more in college than MoC and a few flashes of brilliance in the pros. Q is a good change-of-pace back.

[Bronco9798]

I would rather keep Q. Potential from quitters like Mo is never realized. Q has shown more in college than MoC and a few flashes of brilliance in the pros. Q is a good change-of-pace back.

I agree. Let Clarice walk. If he stays behind MA, TB, and RD he'll never get any carries and he will eventually start moaning and groaning.

[DBroncos4life]

I have yet to see a article about Q sitting on the sidelines of practice pouting like a child. I laugh at the thought of MoC covering kicks. I laugh at the fact at MoC doing anything for SP teams at all.

[DB-Freak]

I agree. Let Clarice walk. If he stays behind MA, TB, and RD he'll never get any carries and he will eventually start moaning and groaning.
RD?

what you smoking?

[Bronco9798]

RD?

what you smoking?

RD? Yes. Ron Dayne over Clarice any day. Yes. I wouldn't even think twice about it.

[DBroncos4life]

I haven't voted yet, because I want to see him PLAY a game before I toss him to the PS squad but if he makes the team ONLY because hes a third round pick and they don't want to cut a high draft pick then this team isn't going anywhere. Teams that win don't KEEP players around if they can't help the team win.

[Bronco9798]

I haven't voted yet, because I want to see him PLAY a game before I toss him to the PS squad but if he makes the team ONLY because hes a third round pick and they don't want to cut a high draft pick then this team isn't going anywhere. Teams that win don't KEEP players around if they can't help the team win.


With the depth at RB, there is no way he makes the 53 man roster. PS or IR, at the best. He is no condition yet to play at this level. He hasn't played a down of football in almost three years. If anyone really thinks he can contribute this year, they really aren't thinking.

[Kaylore]

I have no idea. The poll says its a third but its no different than the first fourth over all. We're talking about pick 107 or something like that. I mean a comped, third round pick. OH NOES!!!!!!! He might turn it on the last preseason game, like BVP did. We'll see, I guess.

[RhymesayersDU]

I don't care how great Q's attitude is. We only play Kansas City twice a year, and that's the only time he can move the ball at all. Cut him, give Maurice a chance. Or trade him. Do something with him that doesn't involve him staying on this team.

[Bronco9798]

I don't care how great Q's attitude is. We only play Kansas City twice a year, and that's the only time he can move the ball at all. Cut him, give Maurice a chance. Or trade him. Do something with him that doesn't involve him staying on this team.

Give Maurice a chance? What's he been doing the last month?


One of the biggest reasons Clarett is not expected to make it in Denver is the lack of maturity he demonstrated during the summer. He had a warped perception of his talents, thus bypassing a signing bonus for incentives. Clarett also agitated some of his teammates for a variety of reasons, not the least of which was conducting national TV interviews before he had accomplished anything on the field -- or even gotten on the field.

One of the ironies of the situation is that Clarett got beat out for a job by another former Big 10 back that was written off in New York the way Clarett is now being written off in Denver.

This will come as a surprise to Giants fans, but former Heisman Trophy winner Ron Dayne has shined this summer in the way he was supposed to when New York made him a first-round draft choice. Dayne has run hard, authoritatively and with a sense of purpose.

Ron Dayne may have found a home in the Broncos backfield.
He is the Broncos' leading rusher this preseason, carrying the football 29 times for 143 yards, a 4.9 yards per carry average -- 1.4 yards per carry more than he averaged on his 585 attempts in five seasons in New York.

He has drawn so much attention that even the Philadelphia Eagles, who lost running back Correll Buckhalter this week to a season-ending injury, made trade inquiries for Dayne that Denver quickly rebuffed. Dayne, who is playing on a one-year deal in Denver, would have been a great fit in Philadelphia, but the Broncos now like him too much.

Right now, Mike Anderson is running as the Broncos' first-team running back, and Tatum Bell as the second-string running back. But the way he has looked this summer, Dayne is vying for playing time in a system that has turned running backs such as Olandis Gary and Reuben Droughns into stars.

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/8775236

[DB-Freak]

We'll sit back and watch and see what happens.

[DB-Freak]

Give Maurice a chance? What's he been doing the last month?


DId'nt you yourself state about Maurice's condition? Not playing football for nearly 3 years?

He still needs it and deserves it. Whether you think his injury was a ploy or not, he was injured and he couldnt go.

It's doubtful Shanny already gave up on MoC .

[DBroncos4life]

I don't care how great Q's attitude is. We only play Kansas City twice a year, and that's the only time he can move the ball at all. Cut him, give Maurice a chance. Or trade him. Do something with him that doesn't involve him staying on this team.


A chance for what? The only was MoC gets to play is if Dayne, Bell, and MA get hurt. Q on the other hand can play in a real football game. Maybe its only on a few third downs but its more then Mo will do this year.

[Bronco9798]

DId'nt you yourself state about Maurice condition? Not playing football for nearly 3 years?

He still needs it and deserves it. Whether you think his injury was a ploy or not, he was injured and he couldnt go.

It's doubtful Shanny already gave up on MoC .

Yeah but what he has done to stay on the roster? If he would of came into camp and blown people away and had a good attitude, I'd say keep him if he could contribute. But I want the best 53 players on the roster come opening day. He don't fit into that 53.

Shanny barks out comments to the media one afternoon and then all of a sudden here comes Clarice back into practice after sitting out for almost two weeks. It just don't make sense man.

[RhymesayersDU]

But I want the best 53 players on the roster come opening day. He don't fit into that 53.

Which RB's fit into that 53?

If Q is on that list, you're insane.

[DB-Freak]

Yeah but what he has done to stay on the roster? If he would of came into camp and blown people away and had a good attitude, I'd say keep him if he could contribute. But I want the best 53 players on the roster come opening day. He don't fit into that 53.

Shanny barks out comments to the media one afternoon and then all of a sudden here comes Clarice back into practice after sitting out for almost two weeks. It just don't make sense man.
I would like to read that interview again

Even Shanny stated that the doctor said MoC was a no go at the time. Still MoC hearing that Shanny wasn't happy obviously just went.

If he wanted to get cut, he certainly would have stayed longer, but that doesn't seem like it either.

Where has he exactly shown you bad attitude? A bit of a loner type? **** that ****.

[Bronco9798]

Which RB's fit into that 53?

If Q is on that list, you're insane.

If Q's on the roster, then I guess Shanny is insane not me.

[DBroncos4life]

So does anyone think that MoC can play SP teams? If so what do you see him doing. Please don't give me the well Q won't do anything either line.

[RhymesayersDU]

I have a feeling Q will make the squad, which is so weak.

The fact is, he's not that good. Maurice could provide the same back up role for a lot less money, and with at least the possibility of improving.

[Bronco9798]

I have a feeling Q will make the squad, which is so weak.

The fact is, he's not that good. Maurice could provide the same back up role for a lot less money, and with at least the possibility of improving.

You know what? Q will probably make the team. Shanny and Bowlen like Q for some odd reason. I could care less. Once you get past the Big 3, the other one isn't going to get many touches anyway. I think Clarett has pissed Shanny off somewhere along the way and that's going to be his downfall probably.

[DBroncos4life]

I have a feeling Q will make the squad, which is so weak.

The fact is, he's not that good. Maurice could provide the same back up role for a lot less money, and with at least the possibility of improving.



Because Q's 380K cap hit this year is just breaking our bank. If you think MoC will do anything for us this year your nuts. The guy isn't in any shape to help us out. Atleast Q can step onto the field and catch a pass out of the back field. Hell I saw a few of his runs against Houston in camp and he looked pretty good. Much better then MoC sitting on the sideline hurt.

[DB-Freak]

You can't say someone can't do something when you havent even seen him in action.

[RhymesayersDU]

If you think MoC will do anything for us this year your nuts.

You're probably right, but I can say the same exact thing for Q. He's not going to see the field as a RB or a return man unless there are injuries. At least with MOC, there is a chance we can continue to work with him and see if he becomes a better back. With Q, we know what we have, and he will never be able to get any better then he is right now.

The money issue may not be a great one, as Q isn't making much, but nontheless, we've hit the ceiling with Q talent-wise, whereas we have time to develop MOC and see what he can do.

[DBroncos4life]

You can't say someone can't do something when you havent even seen him in action.


hmmm so hes done nothing all camp but we can't judge him because we haven't seen him play right? Then why are you giving him a roster spot already? In my mind he is far behind Q because Q was ABLE to practice. Its a cold day in hell when I want someone to make the team after sitting and doing nothing. It sends a crappy message to the team. If this was Terry Pierce sitting doing nothing in camp do you think he would get any love because he was a higher pick then MoC? Hell no everyone would say cut his ass and they have every right to do so as well.

[DB-Freak]

I'm pretty positive someone stated that MoC will get time in the Arizona game.

Meaning MoC isnt dead yet.

[DBroncos4life]

You're probably right, but I can say the same exact thing for Q. He's not going to see the field as a RB or a return man unless there are injuries. At least with MOC, there is a chance we can continue to work with him and see if he becomes a better back. With Q, we know what we have, and he will never be able to get any better then he is right now.

The money issue may not be a great one, as Q isn't making much, but nontheless, we've hit the ceiling with Q talent-wise, whereas we have time to develop MOC and see what he can do.



MoC isn't in shape to play in the NFL, Q is. Q can help the team in some way MoC can't. Mo can sit on the PS squad and then prove next year that he is worth a roster spot.

[DB-Freak]

hmmm so hes done nothing all camp but we can't judge him because we haven't seen him play right? Then why are you giving him a roster spot already? In my mind he is far behind Q because Q was ABLE to practice. Its a cold day in hell when I want someone to make the team after sitting and doing nothing. It sends a crappy message to the team. If this was Terry Pierce sitting doing nothing in camp do you think he would get any love because he was a higher pick then MoC? Hell no everyone would say cut his ass and they have every right to do so as well.
He got hurt and he made visible improvement each time he practiced as reports came in.

Again, Q might have practiced more, but there is a long term investment edge on MoC.

We'll just have to see what Shanny does.

[RhymesayersDU]

Q can't help this team at all. Too small, goes down too quick. He's not going to be a RB, and his return job is gone.

I realize there is an argument that if Darrent goes down, Q comes in, but still, we can get Triandos Luke to field kicks if we absolutely have to. Q needs to be shown the door.

[DBroncos4life]

He got hurt and he made visible improvement each time he practiced as reports came in.

Again, Q might have practiced more, but there is a long term investment edge on MoC.

We'll just have to see what Shanny does.


Like I said if MoC is gets the job because Mike doesn't want to look bad then we won't win the Super Bowl under Mike ever again. You don't cut hard working people just so you can save face. Its sickening to think about it.

[DB-Freak]

Q can't help this team at all. Too small, goes down too quick. He's not going to be a RB, and his return job is gone.

I realize there is an argument that if Darrent goes down, Q comes in, but still, we can get Triandos Luke to field kicks if we absolutely have to. Q needs to be shown the door.
Q can't return for crap.

[Bronco9798]

Q can't help this team at all. Too small, goes down too quick. He's not going to be a RB, and his return job is gone.

I realize there is an argument that if Darrent goes down, Q comes in, but still, we can get Triandos Luke to field kicks if we absolutely have to. Q needs to be shown the door.


Lukes probably gone. Adams will beat Luke out, my opinion. Adams will take the return duties if DW gets hurt.

[DBroncos4life]

Q can't return for crap.


And MoC can do what for our SP teams?

[DB-Freak]

Like I said if MoC is gets the job because Mike doesn't want to look bad then we won't win the Super Bowl under Mike ever again. You don't cut hard working people just so you can save face. Its sickening to think about it.
Sickening?

When you have Ron Dayne, Bell, and MA, you don't think you can allow long term project to stay? Yea right.

No actually I call it smart.

[DB-Freak]

MA-still the front runner as it seems.
Bell-The darkhorse right now.
Ron Dayne-I dont like him much, but he seems to be doing decent and fits this system more than Q.

With this right now, I would rather keep a potential player rather than a peaked player who doesnt have much value.

[DBroncos4life]

Sickening?

When you have Ron Dayne, Bell, and MA, you don't think you can allow long term project to stay? Yea right.

No actually I call it smart.


So he can sit there and do nothing and say to himself, golly gee Im going to be 4th on the depth chart so I can do nothing and I won't get cut because Mike needs to save face for taking me in the third round. Life is good for MoC. I wonder whats for super? Yep life is good for guys named MoC.... **** that noise. I want guys busting their ass to make this team to make the team not guys sitting on the side lines making this team.

[DB-Freak]

So he can sit there and do nothing and say to himself, golly gee Im going to be 4th on the depth chart so I can do nothing and I won't get cut because Mike needs to save face for taking me in the third round. Life is good for MoC. I wonder whats for super? Yep life is good for guys named MoC.... **** that noise. I want guys busting their ass to make this team to make the team not guys sitting on the side lines making this team.
So where is the evidence that MoC is gleeing that he is sure to make the roster without doing crap?

So is he not practicing anymore or something? Is anyone reporting that he is not working hard and slacking off?

Is MoC on the prowl causing trouble?

What?

[DBroncos4life]

Aug. 26, 2005) -- When rookie running back Maurice Clarett passed up a signing bonus for contract incentives, he cost himself money and a job.

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In the slot he was drafted, Clarett was entitled to receive $410,000 in signing bonus. But he rejected it, opting for $7 million worth of incentives, figuring he was good enough to earn it. Had Denver paid Clarett the money, it would have been more obligated to keep him than it is now. Now, Clarett is expected to be released if not in the Broncos' first-round of cuts, then certainly their second.

Clarett is expected to be one of the highest profile cuts in the NFL when the full cut lists become available on Aug. 30 and Sept. 4. And for now -- and events always are subject to change -- Denver has decided against placing Clarett on injured reserve, where he would have missed the coming season and had a chance to fully recover from the groin injury the running back claimed he incurred earlier this summer.

One of the biggest reasons Clarett is not expected to make it in Denver is the lack of maturity he demonstrated during the summer. He had a warped perception of his talents, thus bypassing a signing bonus for incentives. Clarett also agitated some of his teammates for a variety of reasons, not the least of which was conducting national TV interviews before he had accomplished anything on the field -- or even gotten on the field.

But just as Clarett created a buzz on draft day, he now will do the same on cut day. But with all the teams that were thought to like him on draft day -- Cleveland, Dallas, Jacksonville -- Clarett isn't expected to be out of work long. At least one is expected to claim him on waivers



yeah whats in bold is why I'm not happy with MoC. The team isn't happy with MoC. What message would it send to this team if a guy that has been hurt and hasn't done crap makes the team over a guy that the team likes like Q? It would CRUSH IT!!!!

[Bronco9798]

I think it's possible Clarett saw the competition in front of him and that's where the attitude and the injury came in. He knew he wasn't going to see any playing time and probably realized he wasn't going to contribute. He signed the contract filled with incentives and knew he was basically ******.

I think he wants to be released so he can catch on with somebody else. Then when he gets cut, he'll get in the media and trash the organization.

[Ratboy]

If Clarett gets cut, Shanahan needs to be smacked for even making the pick.

[DB-Freak]

I think it's possible Clarett saw the competition in front of him and that's where the attitude and the injury came in. He knew he wasn't going to see any playing time and probably realized he wasn't going to contribute. He signed the contract filled with incentives and knew he was basically ******.

THen what a stupid decision for him come out of sideline and actually start practicing again.


I think he wants to be released so he can catch on with somebody else. Then when he gets cut, he'll get in the media and trash the organization.

Wow......

[Ratboy]

He won't get cut, This talk is so stupid.

[DBroncos4life]

If Clarett gets cut, Shanahan needs to be smacked for even making the pick.


So we should just keep him them even though he may never help the team. Heaven forbid we use the roster spot for some that could help the team.

[Bronco9798]

THen what a stupid decision for him come out of sideline and actually start practicing again.



Wow......

He can't tarnish his reputation any more than what it is. Of course he's going to practice but he can still want his release.

[DBroncos4life]

He won't get cut, This talk is so stupid.



NFL network is going to have something on it pretty soon. I got a question about that, is NFL network free for preseason? I just got a new cable thing but I don't remember them saying I had NFL network. Whats the deal there?

[DB-Freak]

Clarett also agitated some of his teammates for a variety of reasons, not the least of which was conducting national TV interviews before he had accomplished anything on the field -- or even gotten on the field.

So ****ing what? The guy is accepting interviews. Was he bragging? Talking ****?

And where the hell is Adam getting his source from? I highly doubt its directly from Denver anymore.

[DB-Freak]

He can't tarnish his reputation any more than what it is. Of course he's going to practice but he can still want his release.
Or maybe he really wants to practice and try to make the team.

Who knows right?

[Bronco9798]

So ****ing what? The guy is accepting interviews. Was he bragging? Talking ****?

And where the hell is Adam getting his source from? I highly doubt its directly from Denver anymore.


I'm sure Schefter still has some sources in Denver. How many, how reliable, who knows.

[kent156]

so isn't this bobby turner's pick to make him happy why would he be cut?

[DBroncos4life]

So ****ing what? The guy is accepting interviews. Was he bragging? Talking ****?

And where the hell is Adam getting his source from? I highly doubt its directly from Denver anymore.


There you go again covering up for MoC. It wasn't Mo it was the one armed man. I'm starting to think MoC is a angel and the media is just out for the kid ::)

[Ratboy]

So we should just keep him them even though he may never help the team. Heaven forbid we use the roster spot for some that could help the team.

How do you know he won't help the team? Any other 4th stringer wouldn't help either.

[DB-Freak]

There you go again covering up for MoC. It wasn't Mo it was the one armed man. I'm starting to think MoC is a angel and the media is just out for the kid ::)
Covering up for MoC?

So what has he exactly done that I need to cover him for?

Because he accepted a few interviews?

Laughable.

[DBroncos4life]

How do you know he won't help the team? Any other 4th stringer wouldn't help either.


They play SP teams. What do you see Mo doing on SP teams?

[DB-Freak]

They play SP teams. What do you see Mo doing on SP teams?
And this is where does Q play in it line comes in.

So where?

[DBroncos4life]

Covering up for MoC?

So what has he exactly done that I need to cover him for?

Because he accepted a few interviews?

Laughable.


And you denying that there is a chance that he has upset some of our players is Laughable. Hell Rod Smith called him out not to long ago but I'm sure that interview was made up as well.

[Clockwork Orange]

How do you know he won't help the team? Any other 4th stringer wouldn't help either.

But why keep a 4th stringer on the roster who reportedly isn't working hard, isn't taking directions well and can't stay on the practice field?

I've given Clarett a fair shot, but if he thinks he's entitled to anything and doesn't think he has to earn his spot, then he can take a hike (if his groin permits him to do so).

[DBroncos4life]

And this is where does Q play in it line comes in.

So where?



Wow I didn't see that coming at all....Oh wait I did see post 47. They said that he will be cut because there is no cap hit for him and because Dayne is playing so well.

[DB-Freak]

And you denying that there is a chance that he has upset some of our players is Laughable. Hell Rod Smith called him out not to long ago but I'm sure that interview was made up as well.
Smith and Shanny were stating the obvious when media asked specifically about Clarett.

Upset the players because he accepted a few interviews? What the **** is the reason to be pissed at? The one they gave is a piss poor one.

[DBroncos4life]

Crap, they just said that Eagles tried trading for Dayne and Denver said NO!!!

[DB-Freak]

But why keep a 4th stringer on the roster who reportedly isn't working hard, isn't taking directions well and can't stay on the practice field?


so where is exactly the report that Clarett isnt working and cant take directions well?

Actually Shanny stated couple of times when MoC was on the field he looked pretty good.

[DBroncos4life]

so where is exactly the report that Clarett isnt working and cant directions well?


Where are the reports that he is doing well? Ask one of the insiders what they think.

[DB-Freak]

Where are the reports that he is doing well? Ask one of the insiders what they think.
I meant to say working hard and cant take directions well, but no biggie.

He obviously isnt doing well, but no one is criticizing MoC for being lazy or not practicing hard on the field.

[Clockwork Orange]

so where is exactly the report that Clarett isnt working and cant take directions well?

Actually Shanny stated couple of times when MoC was on the field he looked pretty good.

Just telling you what I've heard discussed on the local sports radio shows.

If it's not true and he is working hard, I'd be willing to cut him some slack. But if he's not busting his hump every second he's on that field, then there's no use for him. Same goes for everyone else.

[-Slap-]

I think one advantage Q has over Mo is that he actually wants to play football.

[DB-Freak]

Im not gonna go try to find all the articles, but i made an effort at least.

http://broncos.scout.com/2/426012.html


On running back Maurice Clarett returning to practice Thursday after missing time with a right groin injury
“He looked pretty good today. It didn’t look like there were any problems. We’ve all got to practice.”

On running back Maurice Clarett’s relationships with his teammates
“No, I’m not going to comment on that. That’s all speculation. I just know how he treats me. You’ll have to talk to other people if someone has a problem with him.”

On whether running back Maurice Clarett is easy to coach
“I haven’t had a chance to coach him very much. I was hoping to have a chance in the next couple weeks to coach him. Any time you’re out of practice for as long as he has, it’s almost like starting over. You’ve got to get your legs back… back in football shape. He missed a lot of reps, knowing what to do from an offensive standpoint. It takes some time. Hopefully, he can stay healthy and we’ll get a chance to evaluate him.”

[DB-Freak]

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On running back Maurice Clarett returning to practice
“I wasn’t trying to send him any message. He knows when he is healthy and can play. He’s been getting treatment for the last seven or eight days. He practiced today, and he looked fine. It didn’t look like there were any setbacks. The only way he can get better is to compete. Hopefully, he’s well so he can compete with the rest of the backs.”

[Ballhawk]

How do you know he won't help the team? Any other 4th stringer wouldn't help either.

Why assume his roster spot will go to a 4th stringer? It could come down to Ernster or MoC, or Sykes or MoC. Once you get to the last few spots on the roster, it rarly is a positional battle.

[ClevelandBronco2]

So much for TJ's delusions of grandeur.

You get points for spelling the term correctly, but you aimed it ineptly in this case, which makes only you appear to be misinformed, not TJ.

Here's the way it works: If TJ believes that TJ will be a productive RB for the Broncos, he's suffering from delusions of grandeur. If he believes that MoC could be trained to become a productive RB for the Broncos, he's guilty of optimism at best and delusion (but not of grandeur) at worst.

Whether he holds either opinion -- or any in between -- you should tread lightly around our leader and benefactor while you're here, Bob. I think you owe him this much: Speak to TJ directly. Don't speak around him in an attempt to undermine our esteem for his role here and his opinion. That's just shabby behavior from a guest.

[ClevelandBronco2]

I think MoC can be salvaged if we can knock him down another peg, get his butt to Europe and get him away from the clowns who've clustered onto him in order to get their small slice of reflected fame.

Maurice hasn't gotten a chance to grow up yet. I hope he gets that chance before he's too old to benefit from it.

[Bronco9798]

You get points for spelling the term correctly, but you aimed it ineptly in this case, which makes only you appear to be misinformed, not TJ.

Here's the way it works: If TJ believes that TJ will be a productive RB for the Broncos, he's suffering from delusions of grandeur. If he believes that MoC could be trained to become a productive RB for the Broncos, he's guilty of optimism at best and delusion (but not of grandeur) at worst.

Whether he holds either opinion -- or any in between -- you should tread lightly around our leader and benefactor while you're here, Bob. I think you owe him this much: Speak to TJ directly. Don't speak around him in an attempt to undermine our esteem for his role here and his opinion. That's just shabby behavior from a guest.

Bob's a troll, not a guest.

[Crushaholic]

so isn't this bobby turner's pick to make him happy why would he be cut?

It took 4 pages for someone to bring up that Clarett is Turner's boy. If it came down to Q or Clarett, it will be Q that's cut. We've already seen that Q is worthless except for the Chefs game. We know that's not necessarily a badge of honor to be able to run against KC...

[bloodsunday]

I'm pretty positive someone stated that MoC will get time in the Arizona game.

Meaning MoC isnt dead yet.
I don't think this talk is about his talent. It's too early to judge that. It's about his attitude. BVP was immature last season, but he didn't alienate himself from the team and the coaches. He's sort of like a poor man's TO. Only we don't need him to win and we don't owe him a bunch of money if we release him.

[bloodsunday]

Strong sentiment (more than 50%) for the ho-hum answer. That surprises me a little because this move was questionable from the moment it was made. It's not like the Paul Tovessi, Willie Middlebrooks, Deltha O'Neal, or (to a lesser extend) Darius Watts. At least those guys stood a chance at succeeding in this league. MoC has been nothing but a quitter and trouble his entire career. It was pretty arrogant of Shanny to think he could change that.

Maybe Toviessi is a bad example. I don't recall how much they knew about his injury before they drafted him.

[Nuggets4]

If Clarett gets cut, Shanahan needs to be smacked for even making the pick.

Shanahan needs to be smacked for making the pick period.

Good riddance Mo. Hope the door hits you on the way out.

[DB-Freak]

Lame ass **** here.

It isn't that surprising MoC became a bit of a loner and somewhat angry. He was a rather immature flamboyant character who went through very rough times.

MoC has plenty of time to make friends. What he needs is a time alone to get himself together and start playing. Then everything will fall in place. I would rather have a quiet one and than loud trouble making one.

And so bloodsunday talk about the trouble MoC has been causing or are you just taking what the media is saying and talking out of your ass?

And some of you might label him a quitter which is reasonable, but when he played the game he gave his all on the field and he never had much trouble OSU and was never labeled a lazy person or etc what the media has been feeding you.

Moc probably lacks certain aspects of mental toughness, but he doesn't take plays off like Randy Moss here.

[Nuggets4]

Moc probably lacks certain aspects of mental toughness, but he doesn't take plays off like Randy Moss here.

Just entire seasons.

[DB-Freak]

Just entire seasons.

Yea it sux those bastardly OSU crooks didnt let poor MoC back in.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

What he needs is a time alone to get himself together and start playing. Then everything will fall in place.
Didn't he just have about 3 weeks alone to "get himself together"? How much more time do you think he needs?

[Nuggets4]

Didn't he just have about 3 weeks alone to "get himself together"? How much more time do you think he needs?

Maybe he just needs a hug.

Maybe he needs to stop making excuses. Screw it. Everyone talks as if he was a GOD his year at OSU. He was a decent running back who was made prominent because he hada dominant D on the other side. We're not talking about Adrian Peterson here.

[Rohirrim]

I'll admit I was biased against Clarette even before the pick. I threw **** at my TV when Shanny made the pick. I haven't been impressed by anything the guy has done, or hasn't done. And I'll be glad when he's gone as he has just become a distraction.

Big Mike looks good. If Tater can figure out how to hang on to the ball, he looks good too. Dayne is still questionable (in my mind), but looks better in this system - he does hit the holes. Kyle looks good catching the ball out of the backfield and his blocking is solid. Q? Who knows. I guess we find out next week. Whatever. As long as the injury bug doesn't bite again (for what, the fifth year running?), this running attack should be able to move the chains consistently.

Who needs Clarette?

[-Slap-]

I don't think this talk is about his talent. It's too early to judge that. It's about his attitude. BVP was immature last season, but he didn't alienate himself from the team and the coaches. He's sort of like a poor man's TO. Only we don't need him to win and we don't owe him a bunch of money if we release him.
The Eagles wouldn't owe TO a bunch of money if they cut him. It would be a very modest cap hit due to the staggered bonus structure of the contract.

[footstepsfrom#27]

MoC stays long enough to get an excuse for a trip to IR.

[DB-Freak]

Didn't he just have about 3 weeks alone to "get himself together"? How much more time do you think he needs?
It hasn't been long since he's been back.

The guy hasn't played football for nearly three years and poof some of you expect magic or something.

Alot of unreasonable bias against MoC here.

[maven]

Does this MoC talk really matter? If he makes the team then good for him. If not, oh well.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

It hasn't been long since he's been back.

The guy hasn't played football for nearly three years and poof some of you expect magic or something.

Alot of unreasonable bias against MoC here.

I was commenting on your "Mo just needs some time alone statement".
Just couldn't quite grasp why he would need some time alone.

And for "the guy hasn't played football for nearly 3 years" thing, that might cause some to pause before drafting him in the 3rd?

[DB-Freak]

I was commenting on your "Mo just needs some time alone statement".
Just couldn't quite grasp why he would need some time alone.

I was responding to the loner comment by Bloodsunday.

It was actually pretty trivial.

People making a huge deal out of it.


And for "the guy hasn't play football for nearly 3 years" thing, that might cause some to pause before drafting him in the 3rd?

So what?

He is a project who was handpicked by Bobby Turner. A project we could afford to have with the depth we have at RB for now.

[DBroncos4life]

I was responding to the loner comment by Bloodsunday.

It was actually pretty trivial.

People making a huge deal out of it.


So what?

He is a project who was handpicked by Bobby Turner. A project we could afford to have with the depth we have at RB for now.


Teams that want to win don't keep pet projects around for there RB coaches. The guy will do NOTHING for us this year. He can't cover kicks, he can't return kicks, he can't block for the return man so what the hell is he going to do for us? Get the boys water? Its a cold day in hell when we need to pay someone 280K to get our players water.

[Pezman]

The real thought on my mind is how Shanahan will be percieved for making this pick if we do indeed cut MoC. At this point, would it be a pride issue for him? Because if we do wind up cutting him, you can most definately bet that it will make big news all over NFL circles, most of it being negative towards our staff....

[sisterhellfyre]

Teams that want to win don't keep pet projects around for there RB coaches.

Why limit the scope to RB coaches? Let's say, instead, that teams that want to win don't keep pet projects around for their coaches -- period.

OK, sure, let's tell that to the Niners and... Steve Young.

Or let's say it to the Broncos and... Rod Smith.

Hm. Something's still not working there.

I was surprised too when Shanahan picked Clarett, but... what the heck. Shanahan and Turner have proven themselves dead-on right about enough unlikely running backs -- starting with some 6th-round tailback from Georgia -- that I was willing to wait and see what developed. If Clarett ends up cut, it doesn't mean anything more to me than that Shanahan & Turner were wrong about this one. It happens. Compared to their remarkable string of successes, I can live with one lemon.

If Clarett washes out, I'm not even so sure that it will be the end of his NFL career. I won't even say that he'll never amount to anything. It depends on how Clarett perceives his experience here in Denver and what he makes of it. I'm sure the speed of the pro game has come as a rude surprise to him. Especially the speed of the defense he's working against, with the fastest front-to-back linebacker unit in the league! Trying to learn the system and stay one step ahead of them when he's out of football shape sounds to me like a pretty sure recipe for a strained something.

A strained ego, if nothing physical. So Mo isn't the BMOC any more. That's something he's got to deal with. It may take him a while, but he's still a very young man. And an even younger player.

Heck, it's even possible that the blocking scheme here in Denver does not match up well with what he's used to. I don't watch enough Ohio State games to know their OL system, but how many times have we heard new Bronco RBs talk about learning to run behind this line? Especially for a player jumping, essentially, from high school to the pros (with a long layover in between), that could be difficult.

Two words to think about: Corey Dillon. Remember where he came from, how he fared in Cincy, and all the grief he took for it. Where is he now? Damn, that Patriots SB ring sure sparkles pretty...

Regards,
m.

[DBroncos4life]

Why limit the scope to RB coaches? Let's say, instead, that teams that want to win don't keep pet projects around for their coaches -- period.

OK, sure, let's tell that to the Niners and... Steve Young.

Or let's say it to the Broncos and... Rod Smith.

Hm. Something's still not working there.

I was surprised too when Shanahan picked Clarett, but... what the heck. Shanahan and Turner have proven themselves dead-on right about enough unlikely running backs -- starting with some 6th-round tailback from Georgia -- that I was willing to wait and see what developed. If Clarett ends up cut, it doesn't mean anything more to me than that Shanahan & Turner were wrong about this one. It happens. Compared to their remarkable string of successes, I can live with one lemon.

If Clarett washes out, I'm not even so sure that it will be the end of his NFL career. I won't even say that he'll never amount to anything. It depends on how Clarett perceives his experience here in Denver and what he makes of it. I'm sure the speed of the pro game has come as a rude surprise to him. Especially the speed of the defense he's working against, with the fastest front-to-back linebacker unit in the league! Trying to learn the system and stay one step ahead of them when he's out of football shape sounds to me like a pretty sure recipe for a strained something.

A strained ego, if nothing physical. So Mo isn't the BMOC any more. That's something he's got to deal with. It may take him a while, but he's still a very young man. And an even younger player.

Heck, it's even possible that the blocking scheme here in Denver does not match up well with what he's used to. I don't watch enough Ohio State games to know their OL system, but how many times have we heard new Bronco RBs talk about learning to run behind this line? Especially for a player jumping, essentially, from high school to the pros (with a long layover in between), that could be difficult.

Two words to think about: Corey Dillon. Remember where he came from, how he fared in Cincy, and all the grief he took for it. Where is he now? Damn, that Patriots SB ring sure sparkles pretty...

Regards,
m.


I see a lot of names of GREAT players that WORKED their asses off to be in the NFL being tossed around there. DO you think Davis makes this team if he only practices 38% of his rookie year? Do you think Smith makes this team if he doesn't bust his ass day in and day out? Please don't come at me with this well they got a chance so why can't MoC! They EARNED THEIR CHANCE, they didn't get it handed to them because they where a high draft pick so the coach has to save face. Its all about earning respect and a roster spot and all MoC has done is earn his way off this team.

[DB-Freak]

Why limit the scope to RB coaches? Let's say, instead, that teams that want to win don't keep pet projects around for their coaches -- period.

OK, sure, let's tell that to the Niners and... Steve Young.

Or let's say it to the Broncos and... Rod Smith.

Hm. Something's still not working there.

I was surprised too when Shanahan picked Clarett, but... what the heck. Shanahan and Turner have proven themselves dead-on right about enough unlikely running backs -- starting with some 6th-round tailback from Georgia -- that I was willing to wait and see what developed. If Clarett ends up cut, it doesn't mean anything more to me than that Shanahan & Turner were wrong about this one. It happens. Compared to their remarkable string of successes, I can live with one lemon.

If Clarett washes out, I'm not even so sure that it will be the end of his NFL career. I won't even say that he'll never amount to anything. It depends on how Clarett perceives his experience here in Denver and what he makes of it. I'm sure the speed of the pro game has come as a rude surprise to him. Especially the speed of the defense he's working against, with the fastest front-to-back linebacker unit in the league! Trying to learn the system and stay one step ahead of them when he's out of football shape sounds to me like a pretty sure recipe for a strained something.

A strained ego, if nothing physical. So Mo isn't the BMOC any more. That's something he's got to deal with. It may take him a while, but he's still a very young man. And an even younger player.

Heck, it's even possible that the blocking scheme here in Denver does not match up well with what he's used to. I don't watch enough Ohio State games to know their OL system, but how many times have we heard new Bronco RBs talk about learning to run behind this line? Especially for a player jumping, essentially, from high school to the pros (with a long layover in between), that could be difficult.

Two words to think about: Corey Dillon. Remember where he came from, how he fared in Cincy, and all the grief he took for it. Where is he now? Damn, that Patriots SB ring sure sparkles pretty...

Regards,
m.
:thumbsup:

I love you.

There is some unreasonable hate against MoC around here. :pity:

[DBroncos4life]

:thumbsup:

I love you.

There is some unreasonable hate against MoC around here. :pity:


Please thats a damn joke. Can you really sit here and say MoC has EARNED a roster spot?

[Bronco9798]

Please thats a damn joke. Can you really sit here and say MoC has EARNED a roster spot?

No, he can't.

[DBroncos4life]

No, he can't.


Damn right he can't. MoC will get love when he earns it.

[DB-Freak]

Please thats a damn joke. Can you really sit here and say MoC has EARNED a roster spot?
Yes in the perfect world where everyone gets much as they put in then maybe.

But its not. There are plenty who are stashed around for long term investments.

By the way, if MoC gets cut so let it be, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is kept for safety reasons.

[sisterhellfyre]

I see a lot of names of GREAT players that WORKED their asses off to be in the NFL being tossed around there. DO you think Davis makes this team if he only practices 38% of his rookie year? Do you think Smith makes this team if he doesn't bust his ass day in and day out? Please don't come at me with this well they got a chance so why can't MoC! They EARNED THEIR CHANCE, they didn't get it handed to them because they where a high draft pick so the coach has to save face. Its all about earning respect and a roster spot and all MoC has done is earn his way off this team.


Oh please, DB4L. Can we set aside the deliberate distortions of what I wrote? Has Shanahan or Turner handed Mo *anything* yet, aside from the opportunity to show what he's got? And isn't that what the draft and training camps are all about?

Are we even talking about the same Mike Shanahan here? The Bronco HC I've been watching the last several years gambles occasionally on players, and makes some bad choices, but he has shown himself to be ruthless, calculating, and unsentimental when it comes to roster decisions. Even Travis McGriff and Patrick Hape have to have shown Shanahan *something* in practice and camp to stick around as long as they did. In McGriff's case we never saw "it" on game days, whatever "it" was, but there must have been something.

The next example to pull out of my little black tophat... Marcus Nash. Big-name WR prospect, also didn't perform in camp, practice or games. Nash was gone in, what, less than two years? I'm sure it came as a wakeup call to Marcus too. He's refashioned himself now into Arena Football's top receiver, and may yet get another chance at the NFL.

I'm not saying that Mo Clarett will prove himself to be the next Young, Smith, Nash or Dillon. I'm not saying that Mo's level of effort will ever match any of those four players. I'm just saying it's too early to tell, and he may yet turn things around. If not here in Denver, possibly somewhere else.

To judge Clarett now is the logical equivalent of believing you know how a book will end after reading the first chapter. The book may turn out a classic, or it may be a dud. The first chapter is way too early to tell.

Regards,
m.

[Bronco9798]

Oh please, DB4L. Can we set aside the deliberate distortions of what I wrote? Has Shanahan or Turner handed Mo *anything* yet, aside from the opportunity to show what he's got? And isn't that what the draft and training camps are all about?

Are we even talking about the same Mike Shanahan here? The Bronco HC I've been watching the last several years gambles occasionally on players, and makes some bad choices, but he has shown himself to be ruthless, calculating, and unsentimental when it comes to roster decisions. Even Travis McGriff and Patrick Hape have to have shown Shanahan *something* in practice and camp to stick around as long as they did. In McGriff's case we never saw "it" on game days, whatever "it" was, but there must have been something.

The next example to pull out of my little black tophat... Marcus Nash. Big-name WR prospect, also didn't perform in camp, practice or games. Nash was gone in, what, less than two years? I'm sure it came as a wakeup call to Marcus too. He's refashioned himself now into Arena Football's top receiver, and may yet get another chance at the NFL.

I'm not saying that Mo Clarett will prove himself to be the next Young, Smith, Nash or Dillon. I'm not saying that Mo's level of effort will ever match any of those four players. I'm just saying it's too early to tell, and he may yet turn things around. If not here in Denver, possibly somewhere else.

To judge Clarett now is the logical equivalent of believing you know how a book will end after reading the first chapter. The book may turn out a classic, or it may be a dud. The first chapter is way too early to tell.

Regards,
m.

You sound like a school teacher. :flower:

You do make some good points but the concern to me is this year. The NFL is a 1 year adventure. You don't have time to rebuild, if you do you get left behind. You reload and try again each year. The NFL is about winning now or you don't have a job.

Clarett hasn't done anything to prove himself to the coaches. From media reports, he apparently hasn't done anything to impress his team mates with his attitude either. You get 53 roster spots and the guys that earn a spot make the team. People like Rod Smith were kept around because they proved themselves in practice and had a good attitude around the team.

Clarice has done nothing do earn a roster spot. Does he still have time? Sure he does. But it's getting late and his time is running out.

[DBroncos4life]

Oh please, DB4L. Can we set aside the deliberate distortions of what I wrote? Has Shanahan or Turner handed Mo *anything* yet, aside from the opportunity to show what he's got? And isn't that what the draft and training camps are all about?

Are we even talking about the same Mike Shanahan here? The Bronco HC I've been watching the last several years gambles occasionally on players, and makes some bad choices, but he has shown himself to be ruthless, calculating, and unsentimental when it comes to roster decisions. Even Travis McGriff and Patrick Hape have to have shown Shanahan *something* in practice and camp to stick around as long as they did. In McGriff's case we never saw "it" on game days, whatever "it" was, but there must have been something.

The next example to pull out of my little black tophat... Marcus Nash. Big-name WR prospect, also didn't perform in camp, practice or games. Nash was gone in, what, less than two years? I'm sure it came as a wakeup call to Marcus too. He's refashioned himself now into Arena Football's top receiver, and may yet get another chance at the NFL.

I'm not saying that Mo Clarett will prove himself to be the next Young, Smith, Nash or Dillon. I'm not saying that Mo's level of effort will ever match any of those four players. I'm just saying it's too early to tell, and he may yet turn things around. If not here in Denver, possibly somewhere else.

To judge Clarett now is the logical equivalent of believing you know how a book will end after reading the first chapter. The book may turn out a classic, or it may be a dud. The first chapter is way too early to tell.

Regards,
m.

Nash has never done anything in the NFL. Sure he is a AFL giant but I don't see teams knocking down his door to get him in the NFL now. I don't know where you get off about Dillon. You act like what he did with NE is a shocker. He was drafted in the second round by Cinn and was pretty damn good from the start. Giving MoC a roster spot after him doing nothing to earn it in training is the biggest joke ever. He's shown nothing. The team is to deep in places to just cut talent to take a chance on a guy that has shown NOTHING. Give the spot to someone that can help in the Sp Teams game.

[sisterhellfyre]

You sound like a school teacher. :flower:

Do I get an apple on my desk for a good post? :-)

Clarice has done nothing do earn a roster spot. Does he still have time? Sure he does. But it's getting late and his time is running out.

NO arguments from me there! I'm willing to say that he hasn't done much that we've heard about in camp reports and teammate comments. Question is, do Shanahan & Turner see it the same way? Or do they believe, in the best interests of the team, Mo still has potential that's worth digging for? I do believe that Shanahan & Turner place the best interests of the team, *as they see them*, first. Their reputations, their careers and their egos are all wrapped up in the success of the Broncos on the field.

I won't be too surprised either way. It still sticks out in my mind that Turner thought enough of Clarett's potential to stay in contact, at least weekly, for over two years. Maybe that backfired, and fed into Mo putting himself on a "BMOC pedestal" -- the very one from which he's taking a hard fall.

Regards,
m.

(Nope, not a schoolteacher. General purpose computer geek and artist.)

[bloodsunday]

The Eagles wouldn't owe TO a bunch of money if they cut him. It would be a very modest cap hit due to the staggered bonus structure of the contract.
Hence the portion about needing him to win. They put all their WR eggs in his basket.

[Denver Crush]

Im just curious, what has Q done this year to earn a roster spot? Nothing Ive seen or heard so far. In my book, MoC and Q are about even at this point. They need to actually get some live reps for anyone to make a decision. Doesn't sound like its gonna happen till next week.

[Rock Chalk]

Im just curious, what has Q done this year to earn a roster spot? Nothing Ive seen or heard so far. In my book, MoC and Q are about even at this point. They need to actually get some live reps for anyone to make a decision. Doesn't sound like its gonna happen till next week.
Crush! Man where you been? You gonna be in the chatroom on gameday this year?

[Denver Crush]

Crush! Man where you been? You gonna be in the chatroom on gameday this year?

Whats up Alec.....Ive been lurking....but yeah Ill probably head over during the regular season.

[DBroncos4life]

Im just curious, what has Q done this year to earn a roster spot? Nothing Ive seen or heard so far. In my book, MoC and Q are about even at this point. They need to actually get some live reps for anyone to make a decision. Doesn't sound like its gonna happen till next week.


Q has rehabbed, practiced, and even played in the practice game against the Texans. He had a couple of good runs there as well. To me that puts him ahead of MoC. It might not earn him a roster spot either but Mo should go before Q.

[bloodsunday]

Now that its official, has anyone changed their mind? MoC is cut, Paymah is struggling. Nice draft.

[BroncoInferno]

Now that its official, has anyone changed their mind? MoC is cut, Paymah is struggling. Nice draft.

Yep. Paymah isn't an instant Pro Bowler, so he was a bad pick. Great logic. All three rookie CBs have done some good things--particular DW. Yes, they have struggled at times. All rookie CBs do. ALL OF THEM. But one bad pick does not a draft make. Get a grip.

[DBroncos4life]

Now that its official, has anyone changed their mind? MoC is cut, Paymah is struggling. Nice draft.

Good god your the world is ending act is growning old.

[DB-Freak]

Paymah wasnt that bad.

I dont get why Blood is so down on him.

[Kaylore]

Paymah wasnt that bad.

I dont get why Blood is so down on him.
Paymah looks like a rookie corner. He's developing at about the pace that a third round skill possition should. Darrent is a giant exception, and Foxworth is ahead of expectations as well.
I don't get Blood Sunday at all. I'm not sure what standard he is judging the broncos Front Office against, but I don't think its one that is based in reality.

[Candy Cigarettes]

I don't get Blood Sunday at all. I'm not sure what standard he is judging the broncos Front Office against, but I don't think its one that is based in reality.

I'm not sure he will be happy until Shanahan is flogged in public..... :nono: