Crying over cut blocks

[Arkie]

Cut it out:Titans rip cut blocks
Fisher files complaint to NFL about Falcons (http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/0805/23falcons.html) :vermeil:

By STEVE WYCHE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 08/23/05

Flowery Branch — Tennessee Titans coach Jeff Fisher filed a formal complaint with the NFL on Monday claiming that some Falcons players violated rules by illegally cut-blocking defenders' legs in the Titans' 24-21 exhibition victory Friday, the NFL confirmed.

"He has filed a complaint, and we are looking into it," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said.

Fisher called the league office, where his concerns were noted then passed along to Gene Washington, the NFL's director of operations. If Washington feels discipline is in order, it will be levied by the end of this week, Aiello said.

Fisher cited unidentified, specific plays but did not make a sweeping indictment of the Falcons' practice of cut blocking — blocking a defender below his waist — along the line of scrimmage, Aiello said. Cut blocks are legal if the offensive player is within the tackle-to-tackle "box" and he blocks a forward-charging defender in the front of his body, not from the side.

No penalties for illegal cut blocks were called against the Falcons in the game.

"I've been around a lot of preseason games and never seen some of the things I saw out of their offensive line," Fisher told The Tennessean newspaper. "There are a couple things where player safety was really brought into question, and I want to make sure the league is aware of it."

Falcons coach Jim Mora, whom Fisher absolved of responsibility in his remarks to the Tennessean, was not aware of Fisher's complaint, but defended his team's blocking schemes, which include a heavy dose of cut-blocking.

"We play within the rules," Mora said. "Yes, we cut, but we emphasize and teach fair play. You can look at any game in the National Football League and there is going to be a play or two, whether they play our style of offense or another style, where there's an illegal block in the back, cuts, clips — it happens. We never, ever ask our guys to do anything illegal or to hurt anybody. We're not out to hurt anybody."

Alex Gibbs introduced the blocking scheme to the Falcons last season when he came from Denver to serve as offensive line coach. Gibbs is now a consultant to offensive line coach Jeff Jagodzinski, but remains actively involved in the day-to-day coaching of the offensive line.

With Denver, Gibbs's offensive line was regularly criticized for its quick-hitting, below-the-waist blocking techniques, which routinely produced 1,000-yard-plus rushers.

The Falcons led the NFL in rushing last season with 2,672 yards.

"I've sat in meetings with Alex and I've watched every installation he's done, and I've never, ever heard him talk about hurting a guy," Mora said. "He does not do that."

Fisher also said the Falcons were not called for holding as much as they should have.

"We forced a lot of hold situations," Fisher said. "Two or three were called and they could have called another five or six."

Falcons guard Kynan Forney took offense to Fisher's remarks.

"We only do what's legal," Forney said. "They tackle our backs, we're going to cut them. Nobody says anything when a running back gets tackled and they're holding him up and everybody is jumping on that pile.

"When we cut them, that's just how it goes. It's football. Whenever we cut block somebody, it's in front of them, it's legal.

"[The NFL] showed us a tape this year and we're doing what they showed us was legal. We're not taking any cheap shots. That's just people trying to find something to cry about. They're trying something to take away from what somebody does best, and that's one of the things we do well — cut-block people."

[Raiders Rock]

Of course there were cut blocks, Alex Gibbs is that O-Line coach isn't he?

[TheReverend]

Why doesnt Fisher just say what he really means?

"My team is going to **** and theres nothing I can do about it, so Ill just bitch about how good teams play."

[bloodsunday]

Of course there were cut blocks, Alex Gibbs is that O-Line coach isn't he?
Uh.. no actually he retired (again).

[Garcia Bronco]

A good d-lineman doesn't get cut...but he's too fat to see his feet and that in a nut shell is the problem with the NFL lines these days. I'm actually surprised more don't drop dead.

[Raiders Rock]

Uh.. no actually he retired (again).

He was on the sideline the other night during that game and the announcers put him on cam as the O-Line coach/consultant

Did he quit again since last week?

[Beantown Bronco]

I purposefully watch team's Olines for this in games now, where I would normally have no interest in the matchup. It gives me something to look for during the boring games, especially during the preseason.

I particularly noticed the Pats using cut-blocks on over 3/4 of their running plays (not much at all on passing plays, because they don't run boots). It gives me some ammo now when the locals try to whine about it in work.

[Garcia Bronco]

I purposefully watch team's Olines for this in games now, where I would normally have no interest in the matchup. It gives me something to look for during the boring games, especially during the preseason.

I particularly noticed the Pats using cut-blocks on over 3/4 of their running plays (not much at all on passing plays, because they don't run boots). It gives me some ammo now when the locals try to whine about it in work.


And that's really the case...everybody does it. And cutblocks are legal...chop blocks are the bad ones.

[El Guapo]

just like the article describes, if its in-between the tackles (in the box) its LEGAL.

[GreatBronco16]

As shanny pointed out last year, every team cut blocks. It's legal. Football players are such pússies these days. Give me the old school football anyday.

[TheReverend]

As shanny pointed out last year, every team cut blocks. It's legal. Football players are such pússies these days. Give me the old school football anyday.

I agree to an extent, but the old school players would get snapped in half with a bigger, stronger and more athletic NFL of today.

[Spider]

Cut blocks are not the problem ...... Chop Blocks are Steelers are famous for that Shít .. Raiders love to trip ... I could go on and on ..... But cut blocks are better then holding calls .......

[Arkie]

I have a feeling that the teams that don't cut block well are going to continue to whine and bitch about it until the league changes the rule.

Spicer wary of cut blocks (http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/082405/jag_19578950.shtml)

Defensive end Paul Spicer, who had his season cut short after just two games last year because of a low block, isn't relishing Thursday's matchup against an Atlanta offensive line notorious for cut blocking.

The Falcons already are under fire for their blocking techniques this preseason. Tennessee coach Jeff Fisher is reporting Atlanta to the league office for questionable blocks in a game with the Titans last week.

Atlanta's line is coached by Alex Gibbs, who was known for preaching cut blocks while with the Denver Broncos. Spicer suffered a broken leg against the Broncos last year.

"I'm not looking forward to it, but how they block isn't going to change my style,'' Spicer said. "I'll still be aggressive, even though it's a preseason game. That's the only way I know how to play.''

[Hogan11]

Only took two preseason games for someone to start whining about it this year......

That's a record isn't it??

[watermock]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=3340&dateline=1124808983

Even tho I had the old man clip Beezlebub, he said he wanted to "hook up" and thought she was cute.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Cut blocking is legal and everybody does it. Some just do it better. Those 340 pound tub-o-lards that inhabit most of the NFL O-Lines can't get down fast enough do it well so the teams who can, get blasted for it.

[Bronco LB 59]

Cut blocking is legal and everybody does it. Some just do it better. Those 340 pound tub-o-lards that inhabit most of the NFL O-Lines can't get down fast enough do it well so the teams who can, get blasted for it.

Exactly! Plus, its legal on every level of football down to the high school level. I think the article makes an excellent point, running backs/wide receivers with the ball get cut all the time in the open field. Yet, nobody makes a stink about it.

[24champ]

Looks like fisher wants to take over Vermeils title as Crybaby....but prospects are good considering he is fielding a JV squad in the NFL.

[fontaine]

I agree to an extent, but the old school players would get snapped in half with a bigger, stronger and more athletic NFL of today.

Not really, there are plenty of NFL lineman like Bertrand Berry, Freeney, Mathis, Leonard Little, and a ton of outside LBs that occasionally take a three point stance and terrorize QBs and are about the size of DL from a while back ago.

Jason Gildon was superb at coming off the edge and beating his blocker with moves/speed or just raw power and he barely tipped that scales at 255lb.

As Garcia Bronco said, the key is to be quick and strong. As long as you get solid leverage then all is good. The trouble is a 320lb DT that's more flab than muscle isn't going jump or have good enough footwork to avoid a cutblock. Watch old school DL use their speed/power footwork and leverage to get the job done, it's a 100 times more skillfull than a 400lb ted washington just sitting in the middle.

[Spider]

There was a time when you could cut block on kick offs ... some fool comming down at full speed gets cut ....... Cut blocks are as old as the NFL ...... used to be able to cut someone down field also ......

[NaptownChief]

"Cut blocks are legal if the offensive player is within the tackle-to-tackle "box" and he blocks a forward-charging defender in the front of his body, not from the side."


Is that accurate? They claimed Foster's cut when he broke Tony Williams leg was legal and if I remember correctly it was from the side and not the front. If the league said Foster's was legal then I'm guessing it doesn't have to be from the front.

[Spider]

"Cut blocks are legal if the offensive player is within the tackle-to-tackle "box" and he blocks a forward-charging defender in the front of his body, not from the side."


Is that accurate? They claimed Foster's cut when he broke Tony Williams leg was legal and if I remember correctly it was from the side and not the front. If the league said Foster's was legal then I'm guessing it doesn't have to be from the front.
I see another schooling is called for here ...... it depends on the Helmet . if the helmet is in front of the body of the Person getting cut , then itis legal if the Helmet is behind the body , then it is a clip ...... Cheif fan should know this ..... Clipping is a way of life for them ........

[Garcia Bronco]

Which team led the league in rushing last year?

[NaptownChief]

I see another schooling is called for here ...... it depends on the Helmet . if the helmet is in front of the body of the Person getting cut , then itis legal if the Helmet is behind the body , then it is a clip ...... Cheif fan should know this ..... Clipping is a way of life for them ........


Donk fans are definitely more knowledgeable about breaking legs with dirty cut blocks and what they can get by with and what they can't. Just like if you want to know how to rob a bank and get away with it you don't ask a cop but rather a crook.

[Garcia Bronco]

"Cut blocks are legal if the offensive player is within the tackle-to-tackle "box" and he blocks a forward-charging defender in the front of his body, not from the side."


Is that accurate? They claimed Foster's cut when he broke Tony Williams leg was legal and if I remember correctly it was from the side and not the front. If the league said Foster's was legal then I'm guessing it doesn't have to be from the front.


And the block was from the front...and in the tackle box. Like I said...good linemen don't get cut. But the guy can't see his feet...so how is he going to avoid it? He can't.

[Garcia Bronco]

Donk fans are definitely more knowledgeable about breaking legs with dirty cut blocks and what they can get by with and what they can't. Just like if you want to know how to rob a bank and get away with it you don't ask a cop but rather a crook.


We are more knowledgeable about the game...this much is certain...we've all got PhD's on cut blocking too.

[Spider]

Donk fans are definitely more knowledgeable about breaking legs with dirty cut blocks and what they can get by with and what they can't. Just like if you want to know how to rob a bank and get away with it you don't ask a cop but rather a crook.
dirty ? Hilarious! drity is a clip son ...... ESPN has failed you ........

[Garcia Bronco]

Which team led the league in rushing last year?


So no one knows...I'll bet without looking it was the Atlanta Falcons

[maven]

So no one knows...I'll bet without looking it was the Atlanta Falcons

Atlanta (2672)
2nd was the steelers with 2464 toal yards
broncos were 4th with 2333

[Garcia Bronco]

Atlanta (2672)
2nd was the steelers with 2464 toal yards
broncos were 4th with 2333


rep

[Beantown Bronco]

So no one knows...I'll bet without looking it was the Atlanta Falcons

I don't think it was because nobody knew the answer. I think we all thought the question was rhetorical because it was in the article to start the thread....

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't think it was because nobody knew the answer. I think we all thought the question was rhetorical because it was in the article to start the thread....


I didn't read the article, obviously. :)

[footstepsfrom#27]

This is the real reason Craptown Chief is crying about cut blocks:

http://www.ravensnests.com/History/fatso.jpg

[bendog]

As Tredici poitnted out, it was Vick in atl, so they should be discounted in terms of run blocking.

[GreatBronco16]

:vermeil: :( :-[

[rbackfactory80]

fischer is a great coach but he is also one of the most dirty in the NFL. Did no t think he would be the first to complain.

[footstepsfrom#27]

As Tredici poitnted out, it was Vick in atl, so they should be discounted in terms of run blocking.
Not exactly. 30 year old/180 pound Warrick Dunn and TJ Ducket combined for over 1600 yards at the tailback spot...think what they'd have done with real talent.

[Bronco in TN.]

fischer is a great coach but he is also one of the most dirty in the NFL.

First off, it's Fisher without a C.

Second, What? Fisher a dirty coach?

Examples please.

[Cito Pelon]

Defensive players tear the living daylights out of an RB's knees, a TE's knees, a WR's knees. The D players twist the legs and ankles of O players every chance they get.

But the D players they cry like little babies when the O players twist their little pinkies.

[Bronco in TN.]

Just a follow up:

Falcons Fined: The NFL fined Falcons Offensive lineman Austin King $5,000 for a low hit on Antwan Odom in the Titans-Falcons Aug. 19th preseason game.

[Rock Chalk]

Donk fans are definitely more knowledgeable about breaking legs with dirty cut blocks and what they can get by with and what they can't. Just like if you want to know how to rob a bank and get away with it you don't ask a cop but rather a crook.
Id actually think a cop would know better of how to get away with it, though a crook would know better how to actually rob it.

[Taco John]

Donk fans are definitely more knowledgeable about breaking legs with dirty cut blocks and what they can get by with and what they can't. Just like if you want to know how to rob a bank and get away with it you don't ask a cop but rather a crook.



Here's a good example of what you can get away with:

http://www.orangemane.com/images/cheapshotpriest.gif

[Sarcastro]

I always love these threads. Always nice to see the maners bitching about other people bitching.

[Taco John]

I always love these threads. Always nice to see the maners b****ing about other people b****ing.



Just like it's always nice to see Chiefs fans bitching about other peoples cut blocking

[Sarcastro]

Just like it's always nice to see Chiefs fans b****ing about other peoples cut blocking

Another game another article about us being cut blocking cheaters. They must all be out to get us! Everybody does it! Really, we just get picked out because the NFL hates the Broncos! Why must this entire nation have an anti-Bronco bias? It must be jealously of our cut-blocking ability!

You guys can just cut and paste this post the next time another team and or newspaper "crys over cut blocks".

[Needa Pass Rush]

Another game another article about us being cut blocking cheaters. They must all be out to get us! Everybody does it! Really, we just get picked out because the NFL hates the Broncos! Why must this entire nation have an anti-Bronco bias? It must be jealously of our cut-blocking ability!

You guys can just cut and paste this post the next time another team and or newspaper "crys over cut blocks".


There is an obvious bias against the Broncos in this regard, but we will pound the cut blocking chiefs in spite of it. ;D

[Bronx33]

Ummmm Ya? the broncos are the ONLY ones that cut block....:loopy:

[sirhcyennek81]

good. i like it when they cry. means we are doing it right.

[OrangeShadow]

Seriously the topics gotten beaten to death, its getting old

[listopencil]

http://www.orangemane.com/images/cheapshotpriest.gif

Wow. That's just some dirty line play. The NFL should really crack down on those digusting, cheating Chiefs. First all the steroid abuse and now this. They should fine the organization and the Head Coach for allowing this to happen. They should give out multiple game suspensions to KC O-Linmen too. Just to make them understand that this isn't tolerated. For shame.

[Tredici]

Atlanta (2672)
2nd was the steelers with 2464 toal yards
broncos were 4th with 2333

That's pretty funny. Remember when Shanahan put together the tape of all the Pittsburgh cutblocks after Cowher starting crying about them? That was classic.

Guess knowing how to execute a legal cut block does show some results. For those who don't know the difference between a chop block and a cut block can go to Football for Dummies and edumacate demselves.

[Taco John]

http://www.orangemane.com/images/cheapshotpriest.gif

Wow. That's just some dirty line play. The NFL should really crack down on those digusting, cheating Chiefs. First all the steroid abuse and now this. They should fine the organization and the Head Coach for allowing this to happen. They should give out multiple game suspensions to KC O-Linmen too. Just to make them understand that this isn't tolerated. For shame.



That guy rolling around at the lineman's knees is Priest Holmes himself...