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SoCalBronco
08-24-2005, 12:24 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_2967682

Aggressive defense key to turnover turnaround
By Bill Williamson
Denver Post Staff Writer





The Broncos' defense, which has recorded six sacks in the preseason, still has not picked up a turnover, but the coaches and players feel it's just a matter of time. (Post / John Leyba)

New Broncos defensive line/tackles coach Andre Patterson has been in five NFL team training camps since 1997. This year at Dove Valley, something stood out.

"I've never seen as many turnovers as I did this year," Patterson said. "We were getting them left and right. It's unbelievable. I've never seen anything like it. We're getting five or six turnovers a day."

The Broncos' summer turnover fest was welcome. They have struggled to intercept passes and flopped on fumbles in recent years. In 2004, the Broncos ranked 29th in the league with 20 turnovers - 12 interceptions and eight fumble recoveries. The year before, Denver was tied for 28th with 20 turnovers.

With an emphasis on aggressive defense - beginning with pressuring the quarterback - daily training camp drills were designed to increase turnover numbers. With better team speed and training camp success, the Broncos may be primed for a turnover turnaround.

But halfway through the preseason, heading into Saturday night's game against the Indianapolis Colts at Invesco Field at Mile High, the Broncos have not gotten a turnover in either tune-up game.

"We can't hide from it," Broncos defensive coordinator Larry Coyer said. "You have to start getting them in games."

Coyer said there were three opportunities Saturday night on San Francisco's final 14-play drive when the Broncos should have intercepted passes, and that was long after the first team had retired for the evening. While the first unit didn't create any turnovers, 49ers quarterback Alex Smith nearly fumbled on one of Trevor Pryce's two sacks early in the game.

"Obviously you'd like to see them, but I think we've played well," safety John Lynch said. "I'm encouraged with the way they're continuing to happen in practice, and I think that will carry over."




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The defense was encouraged by several turnovers in three practices with the Houston Texans two weeks ago.

"They're aggressive," Houston quarterback David Carr said of the Broncos' defenders. "They fly around and make plays. They come hard at you."

Patterson said team speed will be a big help.

"We're just so doggone fast on defense," Patterson said. "That's the difference I've seen in this camp from the others I've been in. The turnovers are coming because the guys are making them happen."

Coyer has been drilling the defense on ways to force turnovers. At the start of every training camp drill, the defense worked on slapping the ball out of the possessor's hands, scooping up fumbles and running tip drills for interceptions.

Drills are good, but Coyer said the turnover process starts with pressuring the quarterback. Denver's inability to force turnovers has coincided with a poor pass rush in recent years. The Broncos have made that a priority this season and have had success rushing the passer in the preseason.

"You've got to get heat on the quarterback," Coyer said. "That's where it starts. Then you see the turnovers come your way."

24champ
08-24-2005, 12:26 AM
Does this mean our offense sucks or the defense is good?

Popps
08-24-2005, 12:28 AM
"You've got to get heat on the quarterback," Coyer said. "That's where it starts."

Ya think, coach? I wouldn't want the staff to jump to any kind of rash conclusions.

24champ
08-24-2005, 12:41 AM
"You've got to get heat on the quarterback," Coyer said. "That's where it starts."

Ya think, coach? I wouldn't want the staff to jump to any kind of rash conclusions.

sounds better than goonther..... hmmm...

Kaylore
08-24-2005, 12:45 AM
Does this mean our offense sucks or the defense is good?
In camp, the only time we got them was when the backup QB's were throwing. That practice we had six, three were thrown by Kannell. After they benched him, they stopped coming as frequently.

Popps
08-24-2005, 12:54 AM
sounds better than goonther..... hmmm...


Well, sure... it's just funny to hear stuff like that from our coaches after a decade of watching QBs relax in the pocket. I SWEAR I saw Manning take a call on his cell phone during a snap in that playoff game...

"Hello? Hey, yea listen can I call you back? Well, I'm here in the pocket and the Broncos are sending another blitz so I'm expecting to have to get rid of this ball in 10 seconds or so..... plus I'm low on minutes."

Kaylore
08-24-2005, 01:14 AM
Well, sure... it's just funny to hear stuff like that from our coaches after a decade of watching QBs relax in the pocket. I SWEAR I saw Manning take a call on his cell phone during a snap in that playoff game...

"Hello? Hey, yea listen can I call you back? Well, I'm here in the pocket and the Broncos are sending another blitz so I'm expecting to have to get rid of this ball in 10 seconds or so..... plus I'm low on minutes."
I saw him baste a turkey.

Popps
08-24-2005, 01:31 AM
I saw him baste a turkey.

Plus... turkey makes you tired, so he probably needed a bit of a cat-nap.

24champ
08-24-2005, 01:32 AM
Well, sure... it's just funny to hear stuff like that from our coaches after a decade of watching QBs relax in the pocket. I SWEAR I saw Manning take a call on his cell phone during a snap in that playoff game...

"Hello? Hey, yea listen can I call you back? Well, I'm here in the pocket and the Broncos are sending another blitz so I'm expecting to have to get rid of this ball in 10 seconds or so..... plus I'm low on minutes."

Oh i saw the one play where Peyton left his cleats untied but didnt notice until after he snapped the ball then bent down to tie up his cleats then got up and threw a touchdown to wayne over Roc.... :cuss:

watermock
08-24-2005, 01:37 AM
We need Khan out there this week feeding worms into helmets. We give him some worthless number like 45 and let him do his work.

24champ
08-24-2005, 01:47 AM
We need Khan out there this week feeding worms into helmets. We give him some worthless number like 45 and let him do his work.

just give him the number 14 :hitself:

Florida_Bronco
08-24-2005, 04:58 AM
We also haven't given up a turnover this preseason have we?

dumpy
08-24-2005, 05:48 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_2967682

"You've got to get heat on the quarterback," Coyer said. "That's where it starts. Then you see the turnovers come your way."


This needs to be rephrased to, "Kill the head and the body will die!"

bloodsunday
08-24-2005, 06:09 AM
"You've got to get heat on the quarterback," Coyer said. "That's where it starts."

Ya think, coach? I wouldn't want the staff to jump to any kind of rash conclusions.
And you do that with 25 DBs?

azbroncfan
08-24-2005, 06:26 AM
Lets quit talking about how we CAN be a TO machine and get some in the games. The lack of turnovers by our D is what has cost us for about 4 years now.

Garcia Bronco
08-24-2005, 06:52 AM
Plus... turkey makes you tired, so he probably needed a bit of a cat-nap.


I've always thought of him as a pussie

bronco_diesel
08-24-2005, 07:21 AM
"The Broncos' defense, which has recorded six sacks in the preseason, still has not picked up a turnover, but the coaches and players feel it's just a matter of time."

that statement is what bothers me. i heard the exact same thing last year. it's not just a matter of time - it's also a matter of execution. it's a matter of reading the offense correctly...and it is luck.

Bronco9798
08-24-2005, 07:24 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_2967682



The Broncos' defense, which has recorded six sacks in the preseason, still has not picked up a turnover, but the coaches and players feel it's just a matter of time. (Post / John Leyba)

We heard that same exact quote last year about this time. They really need to make it happen this year.

fontaine
08-24-2005, 08:29 AM
I'm not expecting a huge amount of turnovers this season no matter how much pressure the DL brings.

Walls/Champ/Lynch/Fergy, none of these players are knows as ballhawks, especially our Safeties. Walls has a nasty habit of just throwing up his arms to shield the pass instead of trying to make a play when he could easily outreach the WR. Fergy has one int for his career and QBs rarely throw to Champ. The only player in the secondary that has ball skills and a gambler's mentality is D. Williams and he'll play only nickel. He'll get some ints but also give up some big plays doing it.

The rest? Al Wilson/DJ don't strike me as guys who'll get more than one or two ints at the most. That leaves Ian Gold who was specifically brought in because of his speed in coverage and playmaking ability. He better bring it this year.

So maybe we'll get 12-14 ints. Fumbles are a different story. I'm not sure why this team has been on the bottom in fumbles the past couple of seasons.

El Guapo
08-24-2005, 08:34 AM
"...the coaches and players feel it's just a matter of time."


I heard this in '04... and '03....and '02....and '01.... shall I continue?

bloodsunday
08-24-2005, 09:22 AM
I'm not expecting a huge amount of turnovers this season no matter how much pressure the DL brings.

Walls/Champ/Lynch/Fergy, none of these players are knows as ballhawks, especially our Safeties. Walls has a nasty habit of just throwing up his arms to shield the pass instead of trying to make a play when he could easily outreach the WR. Fergy has one int for his career and QBs rarely throw to Champ. The only player in the secondary that has ball skills and a gambler's mentality is D. Williams and he'll play only nickel. He'll get some ints but also give up some big plays doing it.

The rest? Al Wilson/DJ don't strike me as guys who'll get more than one or two ints at the most. That leaves Ian Gold who was specifically brought in because of his speed in coverage and playmaking ability. He better bring it this year.

So maybe we'll get 12-14 ints. Fumbles are a different story. I'm not sure why this team has been on the bottom in fumbles the past couple of seasons.
Excellent post. I agree that pressure is only half the equation, but the more important half. If we get pressure we can still force long yardage and incompletions which beats having Kerry Collins roast wiennes while waiting for Porter to run downfield in the blazing snow.

OrangeShadow
08-24-2005, 10:16 AM
We heard that same exact quote last year about this time. They really need to make it happen this year.

i was thinkin the same thing when i read that. " god that looks familiar"

:drown:

Broncoman13
08-24-2005, 10:36 AM
The reason it isn't a big question amongst the powers to be right now is b/c they can fall back on the turnover ratio... 1:1 or more like 0:0. It's a matter of time before we get some but as we all know it's a matter of time before we give some up!

Still, there is reason for opptimism. Fontaine mentioned earlier that DWill will only be in there for Nickel situations. Guess what, we run the Nickel has a base D...A LOT! I think it was 60% of the time last year. Also I remember reading that we started out in a Nickel D in 10 of 16 regular season games last year. DWill will see the field a lot... hopefully Coyer is smart enough to use that D against teams that don't have 3 good WR's only... Use it against the Chefs and the Chargers not just the Colts and the Faid.

Natedogg
08-24-2005, 11:03 AM
So maybe we'll get 12-14 ints. Fumbles are a different story. I'm not sure why this team has been on the bottom in fumbles the past couple of seasons.

Coulnt agree more. I know I sound like a homer. But the "ball always seems to bounce the wrong way." I'd be intrerested to see what our fumbles caused to fumbles recovered ratio is compared to other teams...