OL possible cuts that could help Denver

[Mediator12]

Alright guys, we all know OG in particular is a potential achilles heel depth wise for this team. throw out your potential Waiver wire Cuts that can be the next Mario Fatefahi or Darius Holland for the Broncos.

1. Siitupe Peko-CAR: On the outside looking in at rookie Evan Mathis currently. Former Colt who can play all OL positions.

2. Scott Young-Eagles: Young strong OG who was a former DT in JUCO. I like his toughness and thought he might fit this blocking style.

3. Steve Sciullo-Eagles: Another Former Colt Interior OG. Has starting experience and was All rookie OG for the Colts. Either he or young probably do not survive for the eagles.


*** Possible Trade scenario*** Eagles May be hurting big time for a RDE with MCdougle taking much longer than anticipated to recover from the gunshot wound. I might pull the trigger with a spare RDE like Marco Coleman who already knows Jimmy Johnson's schemes for a OG like Young or Sciullo.

Alright, who else catches your eye Big Guy, Rascal, and other OL fanatics :gossip:

[DBroncos4life]

Is there any truth to Herndon getting cut? He would know the scheme pretty well if he was cut.

[Odysseus]

(Whistling to himself waiting for Big Guy, Rascal, Nuggests4 or Rulon Velvet Jones)

[footstepsfrom#27]

Is there any truth to Herndon getting cut? He would know the scheme pretty well if he was cut.
He's listed at #3 on the depth chart but a fan on the Falcons board told me last night that he's backing up both guard spots as the #2...don't know which is true.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I doubt they bring in a vet OL. I do expect them to keep two OL on the PS and if Meyers makes the team and they are not enthusiatic about Claybo and Pears, Broncs will grab one from another team.

[bloodsunday]

I doubt they bring in a vet OL. I do expect them to keep two OL on the PS and if Meyers makes the team and they are not enthusiatic about Claybo and Pears, Broncs will grab one from another team.
I hope you are wrong. We need on more guard that can play this season. It wouldn't hurt to have a tackle as well.

[bloodsunday]

Alright guys, we all know OG in particular is a potential achilles heel depth wise for this team. throw out your potential Waiver wire Cuts that can be the next Mario Fatefahi or Darius Holland for the Broncos.

1. Siitupe Peko-CAR: On the outside looking in at rookie Evan Mathis currently. Former Colt who can play all OL positions.

2. Scott Young-Eagles: Young strong OG who was a former DT in JUCO. I like his toughness and thought he might fit this blocking style.

3. Steve Sciullo-Eagles: Another Former Colt Interior OG. Has starting experience and was All rookie OG for the Colts. Either he or young probably do not survive for the eagles.


*** Possible Trade scenario*** Eagles May be hurting big time for a RDE with MCdougle taking much longer than anticipated to recover from the gunshot wound. I might pull the trigger with a spare RDE like Marco Coleman who already knows Jimmy Johnson's schemes for a OG like Young or Sciullo.

Alright, who else catches your eye Big Guy, Rascal, and other OL fanatics :gossip:
This list looks good to me. I wonder if the Colts would go after some of the former Colts since their OL has deteriorated a bit.

[Mediator12]

This list looks good to me. I wonder if the Colts would go after some of the former Colts since their OL has deteriorated a bit.

I know I sure would. Their interior has almost killed Peyton this preseason. :injured:

[-Slap-]

There is one player who might get cut that seems like a natural fit for Denver. The Cowboys' Andre Gurode started 42 out of the last 49 games, primarily at right guard, before getting benched in the season finale last year.

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/21/219348.jpg

The Pokes signed Marco Rivera and now Gurode is currently second on the depth chart at center. Not sure if they'll cut him, but the fact that he got benched to end last season tells me he might be in Parcells' doghouse.

If they do dump him, we should pounce on him. Gurode has good size at 6'4", 314 and he's a former Colorado Buffalo. He's also very intelligent, starting at center for Dallas as a rookie in 2002. He's so versatile that he even played some tackle at CU.

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/2002draft/_photos/andregurode.jpg

[bloodsunday]

There is one player who might get cut that seems like a natural fit for Denver. The Cowboys' Andre Gurode started 42 out of the last 49 games, primarily at right guard, before getting benched in the season finale last year.

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/21/219348.jpg

The Pokes signed Marco Rivera and now Gurode is currently second on the depth chart at center. Not sure if they'll cut him, but the fact that he got benched to end last season tells me he might be in Parcells' doghouse.

If they do dump him, we should pounce on him. Gurode has good size at 6'4", 314 and he's a former Colorado Buffalo. He's also very intelligent, starting at center for Dallas as a rookie in 2002. He's so versatile that he even played some tackle at CU.

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/2002draft/_photos/andregurode.jpg
I'm not versed enough to know if he's good enough to play here, but I'd be for the move. He was good at CU and a high (2nd or 3rd round) draft pick. How about Mo for Gurode?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I hope you are wrong. We need on more guard that can play this season. It wouldn't hurt to have a tackle as well.

I agree it is a weak spot and I would love to have a starting quality guy to replace Carlisle, but I bet they go into the season with Spikes, Carswell, Meyers and Watton as the interior backup candidates.

Gurode did have a good career at CU and is a quality person. It would be nice to see him here for a late draft choice.

[bloodsunday]

I agree it is a weak spot and I would love to have a starting quality guy to replace Carlisle, but I bet they go into the season with Spikes, Carswell, Meyers and Watton as the interior backup candidates.

Gurode did have a good career at CU and is a quality person. It would be nice to see him here for a late draft choice.
I think Carlisle is an okay starter, although the worst of ours. I don't necessarily think we need to replace him, but at least have someone that can play no worse than him in the case of injury. The drop off from Carlisle and Hamilton is pretty steep.

[Rascal]

As long as it is some competition I don't care.

Gurode, Young, Sciullo are all good options

Another possiblity is David Loverne of the Lions.

You sure about Peko Med? I thought Reyes started in the spot opposite of Wahle's spot last year (RG) and that is the position that Mathis is pushing at. I definetly wouldn't mind Reyes.

[chanesaw]

Is Clabo not developing as planned? I thought he was a great pickup last year, then he did very well in Europe, and I remember Khan's reports saying he was doing well at run blocking in camp. Is his pass blocking that bad?

[Mediator12]

Is Clabo not developing as planned? I thought he was a great pickup last year, then he did very well in Europe, and I remember Khan's reports saying he was doing well at run blocking in camp. Is his pass blocking that bad?

Currently, Yes it is that bad. Plus , Coaches were thinking he was going through the motions instead of trying to make the team :cuss: I thought he would be a great backup, but his attitude sucks right now :cuss:

[Mediator12]

As long as it is some competition I don't care.

Gurode, Young, Sciullo are all good options

Another possiblity is David Loverne of the Lions.

You sure about Peko Med? I thought Reyes started in the spot opposite of Wahle's spot last year (RG) and that is the position that Mathis is pushing at. I definetly wouldn't mind Reyes.

Peko was on the Colts last year and CAR signed him for depth at guard after last years OL fiasco. Currently Mathis Is second team behind Reyes, and Peko is third.

[Rascal]

I doubt Peko would be much of an upgrade over what we got currently.

I wouldn't say Carolina had an o-line fiasco. They did manage to get a FB to be one of the better rushers in the league for a while.

Mathis is going to start over Reyes by the season end. Unfortunately I don't think we have anything that could entice them to give him Reyes at a decent rate.

[Mediator12]

Dude, they lost three Starting OL in camp last year! They went 1-7 until those guys got together. What would DEN's record be if We lost Lepsis, hamilton and Nalen in the next two weeks?

[bloodsunday]

Dude, they lost three Starting OL in camp last year! They went 1-7 until those guys got together. What would DEN's record be if We lost Lepsis, hamilton and Nalen in the next two weeks?
I would turn off my TV and cry. That's for sure.

[maven]

What about Kyle Turley? He should be ready for a physical within the next month.

[ludo21]

What about Kyle Turley? He should be ready for a physical within the next month.


I dont think so, got back issues i believe. :gossip:

[bloodsunday]

What about Kyle Turley? He should be ready for a physical within the next month.
He's lost about 50 pounds by last account. I heard he wanted to try and switch to DE.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

What about Kyle Turley? He should be ready for a physical within the next month.

He was on Dan Patrick show six weeks or so ago. Said he weighed about 235 and was still walking with his cane.

[bloodsunday]

He was on Dan Patrick show six weeks or so ago. Said he weighed about 235 and was still walking with his cane.
Maybe if he gets some of the Barry Bonds potion he could be ready by opening day.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Maybe if he gets some of the Barry Bonds potion he could be ready by opening day.

gotta love that flax seed oil.

[-Slap-]

Maybe he should just call Vince McMahon and get it over with.

[Bronco LB 59]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2141853

Cowboys cut Jacob Rogers after he chose to sit out the season to undergo miracle knee surgery. He's a long shot, but probably worth taking a look at during January scrap heap signings.

A second-round pick in the 2004 draft, Jacobs fell out of favor with the Cowboys because of his inability to stay healthy. The former Southern California star appeared in only two games as a rookie after undergoing shoulder surgery. Then last week, the club announced Jacobs would undergo season-ending "microfracture" surgery on his right knee. After the announcement, owner Jerry Jones hinted that the organization felt Jacobs could have played in 2005 and then had the surgery after the season.

[Bronco LB 59]

There is one player who might get cut that seems like a natural fit for Denver. The Cowboys' Andre Gurode started 42 out of the last 49 games, primarily at right guard, before getting benched in the season finale last year.

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/21/219348.jpg

The Pokes signed Marco Rivera and now Gurode is currently second on the depth chart at center. Not sure if they'll cut him, but the fact that he got benched to end last season tells me he might be in Parcells' doghouse.

If they do dump him, we should pounce on him. Gurode has good size at 6'4", 314 and he's a former Colorado Buffalo. He's also very intelligent, starting at center for Dallas as a rookie in 2002. He's so versatile that he even played some tackle at CU.

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/2002draft/_photos/andregurode.jpg


Nice call, Slap. I love Gurode as well since his days at Boulder. I would even be willing to trade a sixth round pick for his services.

[Swedish Extrovert]

What about Kyle Turley? He should be ready for a physical within the next month.

You should be slapped.

Maybe not, but Turley has nothing left in the tank. Injury problems... plus he isnt a tackle anymore. I think last time I heard he was at 250lbs and switching to DE.

[Odysseus]

Currently, Yes it is that bad. Plus , Coaches were thinking he was going through the motions instead of trying to make the team :cuss: I thought he would be a great backup, but his attitude sucks right now :cuss:

When there is competition attitudes get right or get gone. This kind of stuff is pure poison.

EDIT: This lack of depth didn't occur overnight. I can't believe they missed so many opportunities in the off season including the pickups who I thought had potential to produce.

I don't see anything really promising on the horizon. There would have to be a surprise on cutdown day. This is one of those spiritual seasons where every game should start off with the fan's most sacred prayer...

"Dear Lord. Please don't let any of our guys get hurt or else we are truly screwed. Ahhhhh man!"

[DBroncos4life]

If Turley is cleared to play I would "think" about him. One thing about him I like he does't like people Fing with his QB. I don't think he can play tackle anymore but he might be the right size now for OG. He is a huge head case though.

[Mediator12]

Here is a novel Idea for all the OL guys. Draft a Franchise LT like D'Brickashaw whose athletic ability would be Ideal for our system and Convert Lepsis to RG next to Foster. Seriously that Line would be incredible and if they Need another OG next year if nalen hangs them up they get on with the extra third rounder we will probably get for compensation for Kennedy and Hayward.

I think the run game would be outstanding with those guys on the line. BTW, Ferguson would try OG before converting to LT in the second year.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

My impression from hearing him talk and talking to people that know him is that Lepsis has no real desire to go anywhere else. It sounds to me like he would accept a position change and will try to remain cap friendly. He does not have the physical makeup of the typical guard, but maybe..

[footstepsfrom#27]

There is one player who might get cut that seems like a natural fit for Denver. The Cowboys' Andre Gurode started 42 out of the last 49 games, primarily at right guard, before getting benched in the season finale last year.

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/21/219348.jpg

The Pokes signed Marco Rivera and now Gurode is currently second on the depth chart at center. Not sure if they'll cut him, but the fact that he got benched to end last season tells me he might be in Parcells' doghouse.

If they do dump him, we should pounce on him. Gurode has good size at 6'4", 314 and he's a former Colorado Buffalo. He's also very intelligent, starting at center for Dallas as a rookie in 2002. He's so versatile that he even played some tackle at CU.

http://images.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/2002draft/_photos/andregurode.jpg
Gurode most definitely IS in Bill Parcells dog house, and they are quite unhappy with him here. They were unhappy with him last year also. He's going to get cut barring something like a rash of injuries. Jacob Rogers is a player that Bill Parcells is also down on, though the reasons are not clear. Parcells has hinted, and players have come right out and called Rogers a pu****, saying he's "soft". What isn't clear is whether this has to do with his play on the field or his decision to have surgery after the team doctor's said that he could play. Team doctors aren't exactly unbiased IMO so it could be a case of the kid making a decision not to be in a wheelchair at 45 but there are indications he's a "finese" player on the field also. Whatever he is...he's unavailable this year since he's injured.

[Rascal]

Here is a novel Idea for all the OL guys. Draft a Franchise LT like D'Brickashaw whose athletic ability would be Ideal for our system and Convert Lepsis to RG next to Foster. Seriously that Line would be incredible and if they Need another OG next year if nalen hangs them up they get on with the extra third rounder we will probably get for compensation for Kennedy and Hayward.

I think the run game would be outstanding with those guys on the line. BTW, Ferguson would try OG before converting to LT in the second year.

Moving Lepsis to RG if we get a stud LT/RT has been suggested numerous times and was generally welcomed by all.

[Rascal]

My impression from hearing him talk and talking to people that know him is that Lepsis has no real desire to go anywhere else. It sounds to me like he would accept a position change and will try to remain cap friendly. He does not have the physical makeup of the typical guard, but maybe..

How does he not have the physical makeup for a guard?

[maven]

Here is a novel Idea for all the OL guys. Draft a Franchise LT like D'Brickashaw whose athletic ability would be Ideal for our system and Convert Lepsis to RG next to Foster.

That's a great idea, but we're going to need a top 3 pick to get that done.

[Mediator12]

Moving Lepsis to RG if we get a stud LT/RT has been suggested numerous times and was generally welcomed by all.

How long ago? I have a pretty good memory, but I do not remember that at all. I think it would solve alot of questions on the OL, but I do not want to steal someone else's idea.

[DBroncos4life]

How long ago? I have a pretty good memory, but I do not remember that at all. I think it would solve alot of questions on the OL, but I do not want to steal someone else's idea.


I brought up the idea of picking up Walter Jones and moving Matt to guard. I was pretty sure others had ideas close to that as well.

[Rascal]

This offseason.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

How does he not have the physical makeup for a guard?

I'm not saying it can't be done, but he does not have the typical OG build. He is tall 6'5" and fairly lean. He has good upper body strength, but is a little light in the legs and butt.

[bloodsunday]

Here is a novel Idea for all the OL guys. Draft a Franchise LT like D'Brickashaw whose athletic ability would be Ideal for our system and Convert Lepsis to RG next to Foster. Seriously that Line would be incredible and if they Need another OG next year if nalen hangs them up they get on with the extra third rounder we will probably get for compensation for Kennedy and Hayward.

I think the run game would be outstanding with those guys on the line. BTW, Ferguson would try OG before converting to LT in the second year.
Sweet plan... doesn't help us this year. I hope Shanny would be willing to spend a top 10 pick (Washington's) on an OT.

[Needa Pass Rush]

2. Scott Young-Eagles: Young strong OG who was a former DT in JUCO. I like his toughness and thought he might fit this blocking style.

3. Steve Sciullo-Eagles: Another Former Colt Interior OG. Has starting experience and was All rookie OG for the Colts. Either he or young probably do not survive for the eagles.


*** Possible Trade scenario*** Eagles May be hurting big time for a RDE with MCdougle taking much longer than anticipated to recover from the gunshot wound. I might pull the trigger with a spare RDE like Marco Coleman who already knows Jimmy Johnson's schemes for a OG like Young or Sciullo.

Alright, who else catches your eye Big Guy, Rascal, and other OL fanatics :gossip:

Both Eagle guards were shown the door today.

[Sodak]

When will the final cuts be announced? Anyone?...

[chrisp]

I think the interior line is a potential weakness, but I don't think its such an achilles heel that picking up anybody else's castoffs will help us. We just need to hope that the vets they brought into camp raised the level of competition enough that the guys who made it were solid.

Added to which we go for such a different type of o-lineman to everybody else its better that they develop nice and slow on the practice squad - unless someone's an all-pro they'll take a while to pick up the scheme.

[Broncojef]

Cuts must be in by 4pm Mountain Time

[chrisp]

Don't forget these are guys other teams cut, so they can't have had too stellar a camp or preseason.