Pat Robertson: Whack Chavez!

[Rohirrim]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/robertson.chavez/index.html

This pastor ain't too pastoral. :giggle:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said Monday on the Christian Broadcast Network's "The 700 Club."

Where have I heard this thinking before?

[Rohirrim]

I think it's in the New Testament: "If thine enemy offend thee - whack him!"

[Mile High Shack]

I think it's in the New Testament: "If thine enemy offend thee - whack him!"

yeah...it's in 2nd Mark thwack

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I think it's in the New Testament: "If thine enemy offend thee - whack him!"
Robertson has made controversial statements in the past. In October 2003, he suggested that the State Department be blown up with a nuclear device. He has also said that feminism encourages women to "kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."

The religious right wackos in this country should be rounded up and Gitmoed. How are they any different than terrorists?

[Traveler]

The religious right wackos in this country should be rounded up and Gitmoed. How are they any different than terrorists?


Whoa! Pretty strong statement BB.

[Merlin]

Despite Chavez's acts to centralize his power, he has been democratically elected twice, with bigger majorities than Bush (and no controversies) and with the money establishment against him. Unlike the corrupt president's the American gov't have loved in the past 2 decades, Chavez has actually began to put money back into schooling and medicine. Chavez greatest crime was to argue for the raising of the price of oil (it was around $20 when he was first elected), caring about the lower classes, associating himself with Castro (yeah, that man is a threat to the security of the USA rofl ROFL!), and being an egomaniac (a characteristic we have also seen in Bush).

BTW, I do not agree with some of the comments that are sometimes made about evangelist, but PR's comments do not differentiate him too much from the extreme religious Muslims that are often correctly criticized. Is it any wonder why the founding fathers argued for the separation of church and state? Is it any wonder why some senior republicans question the growing influential power of the extreme religious right within the party?

Merlin

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Whoa! Pretty strong statement BB.
I don't know, someone tell me how advocating blowing up the State Dept with nuclear weapons is any different than terrorists preaching the destruction of Americans.

[bronco_diesel]

The religious right wackos in this country should be rounded up and Gitmoed. How are they any different than terrorists?


while i typically do not side with robertson - this is a far cry from being a terrorist. true, roberston is an idiot...but there is a big difference here.

you don't see robertson and the religious right actually taking up arms, suicide bombing, or blowing up buildings. they may voice their opinion, and sometimes it may be very ignorant...but it really is a big difference. i hope you can seee that.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

while i typically do not side with robertson - this is a far cry from being a terrorist. true, roberston is an idiot...but there is a big difference here.

you don't see robertson and the religious right actually taking up arms, suicide bombing, or blowing up buildings. they may voice their opinion, and sometimes it may be very ignorant...but it really is a big difference. i hope you can seee that.

Airing their views to blow up Americans with nuclear weapons or assainate world leaders on national TV is different than terroists urging their followers to do the same thing? How?

[bronco_diesel]

Airing their views to blow up Americans with nuclear weapons or assainate world leaders on national TV is different than terroists urging their followers to do the same thing? How?

with that logic, yes i agree. i think it was a very irresponsible statement by robertson, and he is calling for violence - which is the same.

[Rascal]

Robertson is an idiot, but then I'd have to throw slug into that same category after your statement.

Should I state that all non-republicans should be hunted down and send to Siberia? After all they are terroists themselves.

Pretty assinine statement there slug.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Is it any wonder why the founding fathers argued for the separation of church and state?
Merlin

One the most important pieces of the foundation of our country!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Robertson is an idiot, but then I'd have to throw slug into that same category after your statement.

Should I state that all non-republicans should be hunted down and send to Siberia? After all they are terroists themselves.

Pretty assinine statement there slug.

Who said anything about "republicans"?
Go back and read what I wrote.

So you are trying to defend these religious right wackos who urge nuclear attacks on Americans, assassinations of doctors, assassinations of world leaders, bombing of Planned Parenthood Centers, Olympic sites, etc, etc...

So tell me how these people are different than terrorists.

[Spider]

Back from Odessa run oil rig move ...... Trucking isnt a job it is a way of life ;D
Funny thing though I thought for sure I would have had more run ins with the locals over Bush ......
Either they didnt want to argue , or they think along the same lines I do ..... Perfect Example , watching TV in the drivers room @ the Warfield truckstop in midland there , somthing on the news came on about Bush in Utah ...... I said where everyone could hear me , those dumb bastards in Utah are stupid enough to belive the Bullshít , that the lying bastard in the white house throws ...... figured i could get somebody riled up .... they all set there didnt say a word ...... same thing in Amirillo texas ......

[Rascal]

Who said anything about "republicans"?
Go back and read what I wrote.

So you are trying to defend these religious right wackos who urge nuclear attacks on Americans, assassinations of doctors, assassinations of world leaders, bombing of Planned Parenthood Centers, Olympic sites, etc, etc...

So tell me how these people are different than terrorists.

No I'm not trying to defend them as no one should.

Maybe I took your statement wrong but it came across to me as all religious people.

Looking back I see the word "wackos" so I stand corrected.

My bad.

[Rascal]

"We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with"

"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ough to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war...and I don't think any oil shipments will stop"

Neglecting the part about this coming from Robertson of all people I think he has a point. Personally I wouldn't give a damn if we did take Chavez out, plus if we did it would save a butt load of cash and more then likely keep the oil shipments that everyone is so concerned about.

Robertson shouldn't have said it, and deserves any criticism that comes from it, but I think his comments do have a point.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Snce they are currently exporting 12% of our oil to us you would think someone in the Bush adminstartion would tell him to shut up...... or something.

Venezuela Slams Robertson Over Remarks
By CHRISTOPHER TOOTHAKER, Associated Press Writer

CARACAS, Venezuela - Venezuela's vice president accused religious broadcaster Pat Robertson on Tuesday of making "terrorist statements" by suggesting that American agents assassinate President Hugo Chavez.


Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel said Venezuela was studying its legal options, adding that how Washington responds to Robertson's comments would put its anti-terrorism policy to the test.

"The ball is in the U.S. court, after this criminal statement by a citizen of that country," Rangel told reporters. "It's huge hypocrisy to maintain this discourse against terrorism and at the same time, in the heart of that country, there are entirely terrorist statements like those."

The State Department distanced itself from Robertson's comments.

"We do not share his view, and his comments are inappropriate," spokesman Sean McCormack said.

There was no immediate comment from Chavez, who was winding up an official visit to Cuba on Tuesday. Scores of journalists awaited Chavez at the airport, where he was to board a plane for a trip to Jamaica to discuss a Venezuela initiative to supply petroleum to Caribbean countries under favorable financial terms.
On Monday, Robertson said on the Christian Broadcast Network's "The 700 Club": "We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability."

"We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator," he continued. "It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

Chavez has emerged as one of the most outspoken critics of
President Bush, accusing the United States of conspiring to topple his government and possibly backing plots to assassinate him. U.S. officials have called the accusations ridiculous.

"You know, I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson said. "It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war ... and I don't think any oil shipments will stop."

Rangel called Robertson "a man who seems to have quite a bit of influence in that country," adding sarcastically that his words were "very Christian."

The comments "reveal that religious fundamentalism is one of the great problems facing humanity in these times," Rangel said.

Robertson's remarks appear likely to further stoke tensions between Washington and Caracas. Chavez has repeatedly claimed that American officials are plotting to oust or kill him — charges U.S. officials have denied.

The United States is the top buyer of Venezuelan crude, but Chavez has made it clear he wants to decrease the country's dependence on the U.S. market by finding other buyers.

Chavez has survived a brief 2002 coup, a devastating two-month strike that ended in early 2003 and recall referendum in 2004. The former army paratroop commander, a close ally of Cuban leader
Fidel Castro, is up for re-election next year, and polls suggest he is the favorite.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050823...n_assassination

[Rascal]

It's not criminal behavior it's called a freedom of speech. If they want to publicly scold him them fire at it, but they can't tell him what he can and cannot say (at least they shouldn't be able too).

[Bronco_Beerslug]

It's not criminal behavior it's called a freedom of speech. If they want to publicly scold him them fire at it, but they can't tell him what he can and cannot say (at least they shouldn't be able too).

Here's Bush's big chance to show his foreign relations skills. If they cut off 12% of our oil we go into a crisis mode in this country. Sounds like we have pissed them off just about enough now to do it.

[Rascal]

Yeap. Time for Bush to step up to the plate.

[Rascal]

Got any other oil company stocks to mention? LOL

[Rigs11]

Ahh... more christian values exemplified.

[fdf]

The religious right wackos in this country should be rounded up and Gitmoed. How are they any different than terrorists?
Well, for one, it's been a quite some time since Pat Robertson hijacked a plane and flew it into a building. Oh, wait, he's never done that, has he? But then he's not a victim of the ROOT CAUSES OF TERRORISM(tm) like the poor terrorists are.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Well, for one, it's been a quite some time since Pat Robertson hijacked a plane and flew it into a building. Oh, wait, he's never done that, has he? But then he's not a victim of the ROOT CAUSES OF TERRORISM(tm) like the poor terrorists are.
I already covered it. Advocating that innoncent Americans should be killed, bombed, shot is what terrorists do. But you may be a member of the 700 club so I actually could be addressing one now and my point wouldn't matter, would it?

[Rigs11]

Robertson is the same schmuck who said that the Quran incites followers to kill. What a hypocritical POS.

[Bronco LB 59]

Nice going Pat. Now watch Hugo and the Venezuelans F*CK us by holding onto their oil so we are paying $4.00/gallon.

[bendog]

True story. I used to lift at the "big' YMCA. My "partner" for awhile was this outragousely 'out' gay guy. His "real partner" lived in NYC, an dhe was here on a temp gig. Anyway, the "big" YMCA had a significant gay population, which is only incidental to this tale.

Anyway in the lockerroom for us guys who paid a little extra they had really nice showers - no inividual showeres - and personal grooming stuff, and a locker room with a BIG SCREEN TV. I come out of the shower one day, and there's Pat on the big screen saying we're gonna have a nookler exchange by Y2K. He was bigger than life, and I had this vision of him having the romper room majic wand thing, "and I see ..... BENDOG!

aHHHHH

[enjolras]

you don't see robertson and the religious right actually taking up arms, suicide bombing, or blowing up buildings. they may voice their opinion, and sometimes it may be very ignorant...but it really is a big difference. i hope you can seee that.

Well, for one, it's been a quite some time since Pat Robertson hijacked a plane and flew it into a building. Oh, wait, he's never done that, has he? But then he's not a victim of the ROOT CAUSES OF TERRORISM(tm) like the poor terrorists are.

Neither has Osama Bin Laden. I guess we should call off the search?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Neither has Osama Bin Laden. I guess we should call off the search?

I'm fine with a cage match fight to the death between the two of them.

[enjolras]

I'm fine with a cage match fight to the death between the two of them.

Just as long as we have some kind of guarantee they'll both lose:)

[Colorado4Life]

Now first off I am not surprised by Mr. Robertson for making this statement. But he could just mean removing Chavez from power, but as many here, I believe Robertson was hinting at something different. Often times he is one of the biggest obstacles for Evangelical Christians because he is so off base so many times and takes up issues and fundraising and marketing over offering true help/aid/relief, and love and the Good News.

[Colorado4Life]

I just read his statement and yes he completely says we should go ahead and "kill" him, shame on Mr. Robertson.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Now first off I am not surprised by Mr. Robertson for making this statement. But he could just mean removing Chavez from power, but as many here, I believe Robertson was hinting at something different. Often times he is one of the biggest obstacles for Evangelical Christians because he is so off base so many times and takes up issues and fundraising and marketing over offering true help/aid/relief, and love and the Good News.

You're are not serious are you? Hinting at something different?

Hilarious! I mean really, c'mon now :pigsfly:

[Rascal]

He said he could slug, he says in the next sentence he believes otherwise.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Despite Chavez's acts to centralize his power, he has been democratically elected twice, with bigger majorities than Bush (and no controversies) and with the money establishment against him. Unlike the corrupt president's the American gov't have loved in the past 2 decades, Chavez has actually began to put money back into schooling and medicine.

Which is precisely why Chavez is so reviled by Dim Son and his multinational corporate robber baron cronies.


Chavez greatest crime was to argue for the raising of the price of oil (it was around $20 when he was first elected), caring about the lower classes, associating himself with Castro (yeah, that man is a threat to the security of the USA rofl ROFL!), and being an egomaniac (a characteristic we have also seen in Bush).


Clinton made a sweet deal with Chavez to sell oil to us at a fixed rate - no more than $30 per barrel - but, just like everything else, the Mad Cowboy f_cked that up.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/atc-reagan.jpg

[enjolras]

http://www.bartcop.com/atc-reagan.jpg

1: What the HELL does this have to do with anything?

2: Give me an F*ing break. 20 years ago the air traffic controllers attempted to hold all of America hostage by taking down the entire air transport system. They thought that just because their job was vital, they could (just as greedily as anyone else) leverage that into a bigger piece of the pie for them. Reagan quite rightly sent them packing..

Just as those pricks who stranded thousands of people at Heathrow last week deserve what they get.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

1: What the HELL does this have to do with anything?


Saint Ron paved the way for the multinational corporate robber barons who have purchased our government. The worshippers of Saint Ron are the same sleaze bags who hate Chavez.

Just as those pricks who stranded thousands of people at Heathrow last week deserve what they get.

I think you fail to see the forest for the trees on this one.

Even if you object to those workers' tactics, you have to understand that Saint Ron and his successors have progressively sold American workers out in pandering to multinationals and the cheap labor conservatives who run those corporations.

Unions are the last bastion of democracy in the workplace.

To be anti-union is to be anti-democracy.

[gunns]

I think it's in the New Testament: "If thine enemy offend thee - whack him!"

It also says "revenge is mine saith the Lord".

[MistrSynistr]

No I'm not trying to defend them as no one should.

Maybe I took your statement wrong but it came across to me as all religious people.

Looking back I see the word "wackos" so I stand corrected.

My bad.

I love the illogical reasoning that if someone is more 'extreme' in his organized religious affiliation that he's a 'wacko' but for some odd reason, the others who are less hard-core about it get a free pass on the flack to believing a virgin birth story of the 'son of god' who walked on water, healed with his touch, and died for our sins.

Wow. Re-thinking it again..it's even more silly than when I just typed the response. An irrational, illogical belief based on a 2000 year old book full of hypocrisy, magical events that never seem to take place in this day and age, and hear-say stories from 60-300 years 'after the fact' and you still have the balls to label the ones who take it "too seriously" wackos. :hitself:

I mean, just think about it for a minute.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Heh, heh. Robertson now claims he was "misinterpreted".
What an idiot! Pretty much just like Rush's little "I didn't say that" on Sheehan. Rush (tinyurl.com/4sv9q)

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ASHINGTON (Reuters) - Conservative U.S. evangelist Pat Robertson, who called for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, said on Wednesday he was misinterpreted and there were a number of ways to "take him out" including kidnapping.

"I said our special forces could take him out. Take him out could be a number of things including kidnapping," Robertson said on his "The 700 Club" television program.

"There are a number of ways of taking out a dictator from power besides killing him. I was misinterpreted," Robertson added.

Robertson, the founder of the Christian Coalition and a presidential candidate in 1988, said on Monday of Chavez, one of Bush's most vocal critics: "If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it."

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability." He made the comments during his "The 700 Club" television program.
http://tinyurl.com/bv7k5

[Colorado4Life]

There are a number of ways of taking out a dictator from power besides killing him. I was misinterpreted," Robertson added. But there beerslug as he does put it there are other ways to do it besides killing, both Hussein and Milosivich are still alive currently as are other deposed former dictators. Chavez is a popular one like Castro in his country with enough support that it would cause a civil war if something like that should happen.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

There are a number of ways of taking out a dictator from power besides killing him. I was misinterpreted," Robertson added. But there beerslug as he does put it there are other ways to do it besides killing, both Hussein and Milosivich are still alive currently as are other deposed former dictators. Chavez is a popular one like Castro in his country with enough support that it would cause a civil war if something like that should happen.

Seriously, you need to watch the video. Trying to defend this idiot in any form at all is really pretty incredible!


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In May he said the threat to the United States from activist judges was "probably more serious than a few bearded terrorists who fly into buildings." In 1998, he warned that hurricanes and other natural disasters would sweep down on Orlando, Fla., because gay men and lesbians were flocking to Disney World on special "gay days."

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said Monday on his Christian Broadcasting Network. "We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told a Pentagon news conference that assassinating foreign leaders is "against the law."
(but attacking, invading and occupying foreign countries is OK)

Television evangelist and Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson's suggestion that a nuclear device should be used to wipe out the State Department was "despicable," department spokesman Richard Boucher said Thursday.

[BroncoInferno]

There are a number of ways of taking out a dictator from power besides killing him. I was misinterpreted," Robertson added. But there beerslug as he does put it there are other ways to do it besides killing, both Hussein and Milosivich are still alive currently as are other deposed former dictators. Chavez is a popular one like Castro in his country with enough support that it would cause a civil war if something like that should happen.

If he had just said "let's take him out", I might could buy that. Problem is, he also said this:

"If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it."

As far as I know, you can't assassinate someone without killing them.

[Rigs11]

If he had just said "let's take him out", I might could buy that. Problem is, he also said this:

"If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it."

As far as I know, you can't assassinate someone without killing them.

yeah and now he says that he meant "we should kidnap him", what a freaking moron. If I was the right I would distance myself from this loony.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Trying to defend this idiot in any form at all is really pretty incredible!

I'm surprised Cletus hasn't come to his rescue yet.

At any rate, so far, not one of this asshat's fellow evangelicals has condemned his remarks.

What does that tell you?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If I was the right I would distance myself from this loony.

Even Team Smirk & Sneer has issued a statement saying the WH doesn't cosign his statements, I believe.

You know you're WAY out there on the lunatic right-wing fringe when that happens. :D

[W*GS]

If I was the right I would distance myself from this loony.

Conservatives deserve Robertson, just like liberals deserve Michael Moore and Ward Churchill.

When y'all gonna distance yourselves from those latter two loonies?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

O'W*GS won't be outdone by errand.

[W*GS]

O'W*GS won't be outdone by errand.

Robertson is no less a loony, or embarassing, than Michael Moore is. That you can't see that is very telling about your true ideology. "Clinton Democrat"? Pshaw.

[Rigs11]

Conservatives deserve Robertson, just like liberals deserve Michael Moore and Ward Churchill.

When y'all gonna distance yourselves from those latter two loonies?

Moore doesn't claim to be a Christian, Moore didn't run for president.Bad comparison.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Moore doesn't claim to be a Christian, Moore didn't run for president.Bad comparison.

And neither Moore nor Churchill called for the assassination of a democratically-elected leader of another country, if memory serves me.

W*GS' desperate spin is getting weaker by the day.

Could this have anything to do with it?
http://www.bartcop.com/approval-082405.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bad comparison.

And isn't it hilarious how "The NRA" refers to "conservatives" in the third person?

Hilarious!

[orangeatheist]

I'm fine with a cage match fight to the death between the two of them.[osama and robertson]


HELL YEAH!!!! Greatest post, EVER!!!! ^5

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The GOP might be distancing itself from Robertson today, but don't mistake the PR move for something permanent...

Creating politicians for Christ

WASHINGTON — In the blue and gold elegance of the House speaker's private dining room, Jeremy Bouma bowed his head before eight young men and women who hope to one day lead the nation. He prayed that they might find wisdom in the Bible — and govern by its word.

"Holy Father, we thank you for providing us with guidance," said Bouma, who works for an influential televangelist. "Thank you, Lord, for these students. Build them up as your warriors and your ambassadors on Capitol Hill."

"Amen," the students murmured. Then they picked up their pens expectantly.

Nearly every Monday for six months, as many as a dozen congressional aides — many of them aspiring politicians — have gathered over takeout dinners to mine the Bible for ancient wisdom on modern policy debates about tax rates, foreign aid, education, cloning and the Central American Free Trade Agreement.

Through seminars taught by conservative college professors and devout members of Congress, the students learn that serving country means first and always serving Christ.

They learn to view every vote as a religious duty, and to consider compromise a sin.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20050823/ts_latimes/groomingpoliticiansforchrist

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Grooming politicians for Christ: Evangelical programs on Capitol Hill seek to mold a new generation of leaders who will answer not to voters, but to God

WASHINGTON — In the blue and gold elegance of the House speaker's private dining room, Jeremy Bouma bowed his head before eight young men and women who hope to one day lead the nation. He prayed that they might find wisdom in the Bible — and govern by its word.

"Holy Father, we thank you for providing us with guidance," said Bouma, who works for an influential televangelist. "Thank you, Lord, for these students. Build them up as your warriors and your ambassadors on Capitol Hill."

"Amen," the students murmured. Then they picked up their pens expectantly.

Nearly every Monday for six months, as many as a dozen congressional aides — many of them aspiring politicians — have gathered over takeout dinners to mine the Bible for ancient wisdom on modern policy debates about tax rates, foreign aid, education, cloning and the Central American Free Trade Agreement.

Through seminars taught by conservative college professors and devout members of Congress, the students learn that serving country means first and always serving Christ.

They learn to view every vote as a religious duty, and to consider compromise a sin.

That puts them at the vanguard of a bold effort by evangelical conservatives to mold a new generation of leaders who will answer not to voters, but to God.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-statesman23aug23,1,5389280.story

[Hogan11]

I dunno about anyone...but to me, this has been the single funniest thing to happen this week. Ha!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I dunno about anyone...but to me, this has been the single funniest thing to happen this week. Ha!

The problem with idiots like this guy shooting off his mouth is a lot of people around the world who don't know who he is will think he's representative of the American government or people. Just creates even more animosity and hate towards the American people around the world.

[Hogan11]

The problem with idiots like this guy shooting off his mouth is a lot of people around the world who don't know who he is will think he's representative of the American government or people. Just creates even more animosity and hate towards the American people around the world.

I think the entire world knows who Pat Robertson is and they only have to watch about 5 minutes of The 700 Club to realize how senile he is.

He can't be (nor never could be) taken seriously by anyone with half a brain.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I think the entire world knows who Pat Robertson is and they only have to watch about 5 minutes of The 700 Club to realize how senile he is.

He can't be (nor never could be) taken seriously by anyone with half a brain.

Nah, Most of these 3rd world countries and indeed a lot of the civilized world doesn't have any idea who he is. The only news they get is the part where America thinks assasinating world leaders is OK.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Nutty buddies like Robertson and the GOP are like hand and glove.

Roberts, Falwell, et al, deliver the votes that enable the repigs to enact their corporatist agenda.

This is why pigs like Robertson call for the assassination of leaders like Chavez who stand in the way of the GOP's militant corporatist agenda.

[Rohirrim]

It just occurred to me that Robertson is practicing the wrong religion. You can't pray to the Christian God to whack somebody. Maybe the pre-Christ, Jehovah, but not the God of mercy and love (so-called). Pat should turn Hindu. Then he could pray to Shiva. At least then he'd know that his virulent little nightmares are getting sent to the correct address.

[W*GS]

Moore doesn't claim to be a Christian, Moore didn't run for president.Bad comparison.

Ahhh, no.

Robertson is a loony.

Moore is a loony.

Robertson says stupid things, and many folks are embarassed.

Moore says stupid things, and many liberals adore him. LABF, for example.

[W*GS]

And neither Moore nor Churchill called for the assassination of a democratically-elected leader of another country, if memory serves me.

I wouldn't put such ideas past either of them.

Churchill has said on many occassions that the US "got off lightly" with 9/11, and of course, his "little Eichmanns" comments.

Strange how few liberals have denounced him. You really ought to read his bilge before spinning for him, LABF.

[W*GS]

And isn't it hilarious how "The NRA" refers to "conservatives" in the third person?

Not all NRA members are conservatives. I'm one example.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Not all NRA members are conservatives. I'm one example.

It's interesting how no one seems to be a conservative these days.
It's like there's some kind of bad connotation that comes with that or something.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It's interesting how no one seems to be a conservative these days.
It's like there's some kind of bad connotation that comes with that or something.

LOL

It's also interesting that W*GS claims he isn't a conservative when he defends every move made by the right-wing extremist thugs who are currently in power.

[clarker]

It's interesting how no one seems to be a conservative these days.
It's like there's some kind of bad connotation that comes with that or something.Yeah, that is why Hilliary is running to the centre and in her case that would be toward the right in gearing up for her '08 run at being President.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yeah, that is why Hilliary is running to the centre and in her case that would be toward the right in gearing up for her '08 run at being President.

'Running from the center' isn't the same thing as 'moving to the right.'

Hillary has always been a centrist/DLC Dem.

Besides, isn't the center where most Americans supposedly reside on the political continuum?

[clarker]

'Running from the center' isn't the same thing as 'moving to the right.'

Hillary has always been a centrist/DLC Dem.

Besides, isn't the center where most Americans supposedly reside on the political continuum?Sorry I meant to say running to the center. Sorry about the screw up. I am tired as hell.

But if you really think Hillary has always been a centrist, your even more left than I thought.

[Rascal]

Funniest political post ever:

"Hillary has always been a centrist/DLC Dem."


LOL!!!! ROFL!!!!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Funniest political post ever:

"Hillary has always been a centrist/DLC Dem."

Ratscal has decided to entertain us with his ignorance again.

Odds are Ratscal doesn't even know what the DLC is.

[W*GS]

It's also interesting that W*GS claims he isn't a conservative when he defends every move made by the right-wing extremist thugs who are currently in power.

"Every move"? Not hardly.

But, considering that the source of this comment is LABF, I'll let others judge its veracity.

[enjolras]

Moore is a complete idiot... It turns out there are plenty of idiots to go around on both sides (this board is no different).

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Moore is a complete idiot... It turns out there are plenty of idiots to go around on both sides (this board is no different).

That's true but I don't believe both sides have lawmakers who publicly advocate assassination of people who have differing views.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

That's true but I don't believe both sides have lawmakers who publicly advocate assassination of people who have differing views.

Robertson is not a lawmaker. He is a whacko religious broadcaster. And I believe Clinton sent a round of Tomahawks into Afganistan in an attempt to kill OBL.

[Montaq]

Robertson is not a lawmaker. He is a whacko religious broadcaster. And I believe Clinton sent a round of Tomahawks into Afganistan in an attempt to kill OBL.

Isn't the irony the fact that he's a preacher not a lawmaker? Jesus loves you, now go kill someone. ;D

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Robertson is not a lawmaker. He is a whacko religious broadcaster. And I believe Clinton sent a round of Tomahawks into Afganistan in an attempt to kill OBL.
I wasn't referring to Robertson.

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"Get rid of the guy. Impeach him, censure him, assassinate him."
>
> - Rep. James Hansen (R-Utah), talking about President Clinton, as reported by journalist Steve Miner of KSUB radio who overheard his conversation, 11-01-98


"We're going to keep building the party until we're hunting Democrats with dogs."
>
> - Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), Mother Jones, 08-95


And a few more quotes from right wing lawmakers, presidents, and recognized conservative leaders.

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Quotes From American NeoCons
>
>“If the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched."
>
> - George Bush Senior speaking in an interview with reporter Sarah McClendon in December 1992

>"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
>
> - George W. Bush, discussing Kosovo, Houston Chronicle, 04-09-99

>"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
>
> - Henry Kissinger, as reported in the October 28, 1973 New York Times Newspaper

>"I said on my program, if, if the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush administration again."
>
> - Bill O'Reilly, on ABC's Good Morning America, 03-18-03

>"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus—living fossils—so we will never forget what these people stood for."
>
> - Rush Limbaugh, Denver Post, 12-29-95

>"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual gay sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. All of those things are antithetical to a healthy, stable, traditional family and that's sort of where we are in today's world, unfortunately. It all comes from, I would argue, the right to privacy that doesn't exist, in my opinion, in the United States Constitution."
>
> - Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), Associated Press, 04-22-03

>"I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you. This is not a message of hate; this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor."
>
> - Pat Robertson, speaking of organizers putting rainbow flags up around Orlando to support sexual diversity, The Washington Post, 06-10-98. For the record, Orlando remains undestroyed by meteors.

>"Environmentalists are a socialist group of individuals that are the tool of the Democrat Party. I'm proud to say that they are my enemy. They are not Americans, never have been Americans, never will be Americans."
>
> - Rep. Don Young (R-Alaska), Alaska Public Radio, 08-19-96

>"When you strip it all away, Jerry Garcia destroyed his life on drugs. And yet he's being honored, like some godlike figure. Our priorities are out of whack, folks."
>
> - Rush (currently under investigation for drug use) Limbaugh, on the death of Jerry Garcia, 08-20-95.

>"I don't understand how poor people think."
>
> - George W. Bush, confiding in the Rev. Jim Wallis, The New York Times, 08-26-03

>"Get rid of the guy. Impeach him, censure him, assassinate him."
>
> - Rep. James Hansen (R-Utah), talking about President Clinton, as reported by journalist Steve Miner of KSUB radio who overheard his conversation, 11-01-98

>"We're going to keep building the party until we're hunting Democrats with dogs."
>
> - Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), Mother Jones, 08-95

>"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to The New York Times building."
>
> - Ann Coulter, The New York Observer, 08-26-02

>"Homosexuals want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers."
>
> - Pat Robertson again, The 700 Club, 01-18-95

>"And there is, I am certain, among the Iraqi people a respect for the care and the precision that went into the bombing campaign."
>
> - Donald Rumsfeld, defenselink.mil, 04-09-03

>"Emotional appeals about working families trying to get by on $4.25 an hour are hard to resist. Fortunately, such families do not exist."
>
> - Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Texas), House Majority Whip, during a debate on increasing the minimum wage, Congressional Record, H3706, 04-23-96

>"Chelsea is a Clinton. She bears the taint; and though not prosecutable in law, in custom and nature the taint cannot be ignored. All the great despotisms of the past—I'm not arguing for despotism as a principle, but they sure knew how to deal with potential trouble—recognized that the families of objectionable citizens were a continuing threat. In Stalin's penal code it was a crime to be the wife or child of an 'enemy of the people.' The Nazis used the same principle, which they called Sippenhaft, 'clan liability.' In Imperial China, enemies of the state were punished 'to the ninth degree': that is, everyone in the offender's own generation would be killed and everyone related via four generations up, to the great-great-grandparents, and four generations down, to the great-great-grandchildren, would also be killed."
>
> - John Derbyshire, National Review, 02-15-01

>"I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period."
>
> - Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, 01-08-92

>"Probably nothing."
>
> - Jeb Bush, during his losing 1994 bid for Florida Governor, when asked what he would do for black people, quoted by Salon on 10-05-02

>"The homosexual blitzkrieg has been better planned and executed than Hitler's."
>
> - Rep. William Dannemeyer (R-Calif.), The New Republic, 08-01-94

>"When lawlessness is abroad in the land, the same thing will happen here that happened in Nazi Germany. Many of those people involved in Adolph Hitler were Satanists. Many of them were homosexuals. The two things seem to go together."
>
> - Pat Robertson again, The 700 Club, 01-21-93

>"Why is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for him. Why is he there? And I tell you this morning that he's in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this."
>
> - Lt. General William G. Boykin, Deputy Undersecretary of Defense, The New York Times, 10-17-03

>"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."
>
> - Ann Coulter, at the Conservative Political Action Conference, 02-26-02

>"I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub."
>
> - Grover Norquist, President of Americans for Tax Reform, NPR Morning Edition, 05-25-01

>"I don't agree that you need an enormous number of American troops. Saddam's army is down to one-third than it was before, and I think it would be a cakewalk."
>
> - Kenneth Adelman, Defense Policy Board, to Wolf Blitzer on CNN, 12-06-01

>"The fact of the matter is that this (increased American casualties) is a sign of the success of our operation, not its failure."
>
> - Ralph Reed, GOP strategist, on MSNBC's program 'Hardball,' 10-28-03

>"There are some who feel that, you know, the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is, bring 'em on. We have the force necessary to deal with the situation."
>
> - George W. Bush, The Chicago Tribune, 07-03-03

>"The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on, which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason."
>
> - Paul Wolfowitz, quoted by Tim Russert on 'Meet The Press, NBC, 06-01-03

>"Quit looking at the symbols. Get out and get a job. Quit shooting each other. Quit having illegitimate babies."
>
> - State Rep. John Graham Altman (R-SC), addressing African-American concerns about the 'symbol' of the Confederate Flag, The New York Times, 01-24-97

>"Two things made this country great: White men & Christianity. The degree these two have diminished is in direct proportion to the corruption and fall of the nation. Every problem that has arisen (sic) can be directly traced back to our departure from God's Law and the disenfranchisement of White men."
>
> - State Rep. Don Davis (R-NC), e-mailed to every member of the North Carolina House and Senate, reported by The Fayetteville Observer, 08-22-01

>"NOW is saying that in order to be a woman, you've got to be a lesbian."
>
> - Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, 12-03-97

>"My biggest fear is going to be going to the funeral of some young Iowa man or woman who dies in this conflict and having their mother or father come up to me and ask whether or not their son or daughter died for America, or died to save Bill Clinton's presidency. I don't know what I would say to those grieving parents. For that reason I believe the President must resign immediately."
>
> - Rep. Jim Nussle (R-IA), Congressional Record, H11963, 12-18-98

>"Why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many, what day it's gonna happen? It's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"
>
> - Barbara Bush, said on 'Good Morning America' the day before the Iraq war started, The New York Times, 01-13-03

>"I'm the commander—see, I don't need to explain—I don't need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the President. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation."
>
> - George W. Bush, Washington Post, 11-19-02

> "For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
>
>- David Rockefeller, Memoirs, 2002
>__________________________________________________ _________________
>
>These quotes, plus about a thousand others equally as preposterous, can be found in a new book by Bruce Miller and Diana Maio titled Take Them At Their Words. The next time our valiant conservative leadership bemoans the "corruption and fall of the nation," remember that, by and large, these bemoaners are the clowns who have been running the circus for the last several years.
>
>A few are also up for re-election in 2004. Bear that in mind.
http://tinyurl.com/b4brl

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Forgot a few from Laura and another famous person.

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"I'm especially looking forward to meeting Karl Rove... Smart men like him are so sexy. I know that he's against gay marriage, but I think I can convince him that a little girl-on-girl action now and then isn't so bad!" --Porn star/former California gubernatorial candidate Mary Carey, on being invited to dine with President Bush

"You're going straight in the Army, where you'll be sent straight to America's latest military quagmire. Where will it be? North Korea? Iran? Anything's possible with Commander Koo-Koo-Bananas in charge!" --Homer Simpson to Bart Simpson on The Simpsons, May 15, 2005

"I am married to the President of the United States and here is our typical evening. Nine o'clock, Mr. Excitement here is sound asleep, and I am watching Desperate Housewives. With Lynne Cheney. Ladies and gentleman, I am a desperate housewife." --First Lady Laura Bush at the 2005 White House Correspondents' Dinner

"George always says that he's delighted to come to these press dinners. Baloney. He's usually in bed by now. I'm not kidding. I said to him the other day, George, if you really want to end tyranny in the world, you're going to have to stay up later." --First Lady Laura Bush

"I'm proud of George. He's learned a lot about ranching since that first year when he tried to milk the horse. What's worse, it was a male horse." --First Lady Laura Bush

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Forgot a few from Laura and another famous person.

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"I'm especially looking forward to meeting Karl Rove... Smart men like him are so sexy. I know that he's against gay marriage, but I think I can convince him that a little girl-on-girl action now and then isn't so bad!" --Porn star/former California gubernatorial candidate Mary Carey, on being invited to dine with President Bush

"You're going straight in the Army, where you'll be sent straight to America's latest military quagmire. Where will it be? North Korea? Iran? Anything's possible with Commander Koo-Koo-Bananas in charge!" --Homer Simpson to Bart Simpson on The Simpsons, May 15, 2005

"I am married to the President of the United States and here is our typical evening. Nine o'clock, Mr. Excitement here is sound asleep, and I am watching Desperate Housewives. With Lynne Cheney. Ladies and gentleman, I am a desperate housewife." --First Lady Laura Bush at the 2005 White House Correspondents' Dinner

"George always says that he's delighted to come to these press dinners. Baloney. He's usually in bed by now. I'm not kidding. I said to him the other day, George, if you really want to end tyranny in the world, you're going to have to stay up later." --First Lady Laura Bush

"I'm proud of George. He's learned a lot about ranching since that first year when he tried to milk the horse. What's worse, it was a male horse." --First Lady Laura Bush

Hmm - I thought we were discussing Dumb azz Robertson's comments about getting rid of Chavez.

[Spider]

while i typically do not side with robertson - this is a far cry from being a terrorist. true, roberston is an idiot...but there is a big difference here.

you don't see robertson and the religious right actually taking up arms, suicide bombing, or blowing up buildings. they may voice their opinion, and sometimes it may be very ignorant...but it really is a big difference. i hope you can seee that.
;D it is all good Bro , I understand that Robertson doest rep christian views , and to be fair , after all this country has been through , when you hear of a Chavez , it is easy to get carried away .. Robertson showed poor judgment in his choice of words . but hardly worth blaming all christians for ;D maybe next time :D

[bendog]

eric rudolph

[Hogan11]

eric rudolph

Not to mention Randy Maske and the local anti-abortion nutcase killer where I'm at, James Kopp.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Hmm - I thought we were discussing Dumb azz Robertson's comments about getting rid of Chavez.

Yeah, we were but got sidetraced by some referrence of Clinton sending missles after OBL.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And I believe Clinton sent a round of Tomahawks into Afganistan in an attempt to kill OBL.

And people on your side lambasted him for it.

BTW, unlike Chavez, Bin Laden isn't the democratically-elected president of a sovereign nation, so your analogy doesn't work.

[clarker]

And people on your side lambasted him for it.

BTW, unlike Chavez, Bin Laden isn't the democratically-elected president of a sovereign nation, so your analogy doesn't work.LABF's right on this one. What Robertson said was nuts and he is right the law against assassination(sp?) wouldn't protect Bin Laden because he is not a head of state.

I don't give a rat's a** if Clinton bombed Bin Laden to take the heat off the Monica thing(I don't really believe that though) or Iraq for that matter. The only thing that sucks is that they missed.

[Montaq]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to clarker again.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Merlin]

The only thing that sucks is that they missed.
That's funny. I'm pretty sure they didn't miss when sucking was involved :) :D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

We owe Pat Robertson and Ann Coulter a big thank you

We owe Pat Robertson and Ann Coulter a big thank you. These two American mullahs of the far (f)right are helping to expose how The Bush Team is in the extreme and we who question this war - most prominently Cindy Sheehan - are in the mainstream.

By now Ann Coulter should have reached a tipping point where serious journalists would stop treating her antics and comments seriously. Suggesting that Timothy McVeigh should have blown up the New York Times building instead of the one in Oklahoma City should probably have been enough to ward Time magazine off its unctuous cover profile. Or perhaps it should have happened when she recently told an audience in Canada that they should be helping us in Iraq as they did in Vietnam (for which she was hooted down by Canadians who knew their history better than she).

But now that she has casually asserted that New Yorkers are cowards who would surrender to terrorists, it's past time to call her for what she is - an ignorant parody of a right-wing nut who says things for effect and sales.

The Administration keeps arguing that the Iraqi insurgents are becoming more violent as America succeeds in Iraq. While that's obvious nonsense, it does provide a reasonably good analogy for what war defenders are now doing in their Custer-like last stand. As all their arguments about the war have failed - both the reasons for invading and the reasons for "staying the course" - embarrassed proponents are increasingly retreating to the McCarthyism they are so skilled at. Hence all the desperate attacks on Cindy Sheehan and, now, New Yorkers. Blaming Richard Clark, Dan Rather, Newsweek's Periscope or Dick Durbin was always the equivalent of blaming the radar gun for the speeder. But those polemical diversions did provide momentary relief for the chicken hawks. But now they're forced to up the ante to both gain attention and justify their existence. Hence Coulter's noxious crack.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20050827/cm_huffpost/006285

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2005/08/26/ann-coulter-new-yorkers-_n_6277.html

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The she-male gets the boot!

David Stoeffler: Opinion pages get a makeover

http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/allheadlines/90500.php

My opinion David Stoeffler

More words. More letters. No more Ann Coulter.

Since my arrival here nine weeks ago, we've been doing a lot of behind-the-scenes work aimed at making the Arizona Daily Star a better newspaper.

Today, we unveil some visible changes to your Opinion pages. More changes will come here and throughout the paper over the coming weeks and months.

First, the highlights of changes to the Opinion pages. Then a little about the process we're using to arrive at our plans.

When I first wrote to you as I assumed my duties here, I invited your comments about the paper.

Of an estimated 300 e-mails and letters, I'd guess one third or so have dealt with some aspect of the Opinion pages and a recent redesign.

Very few said you loved it. Some of you said you could leave it.

It's true enough that for some readers, the only way to win their hearts would be to reverse the longstanding editorial position of the newspaper on political and social issues.

But readers of all political persuasions said a redesign launched earlier this year on the Opinion pages had simply gone too far in emphasis on design. While strong visuals, including cartoons, can help pull readers into the pages, people ultimately turn to these pages for the commentary - ours, that of our local and syndicated columnists and that of other readers.

Beginning today, we're shifting the balance back toward more words. We'll still have photos and cartoons, but they will consistently run smaller. No more full-body photos of the letter-writer of the week or of people who contribute to our weekly highlights from local blogs.

The cartoons of David Fitzsimmons and others will run smaller - more similar to their size prior to the redesign. This will free up room for our two daily syndicated columnists, adding about 100 words to the average length of each column.

Fitz's Sunday "Tucson Boulevard" cartoon strip will move to Page 2 of the section each week, replacing his regular cartoon spot there. That will free up room for another columnist on the cover most Sundays. Sometimes, I'll have a column in this spot, but we're considering a variety of local and syndicated options for most weeks.

The design changes on the page opposite our editorial will mean more room for your letters. This was probably the No. 1 request of people who wrote to me. We've been publishing additional letters online, but now we'll get more of them into print, too.

Finally, we've decided that syndicated columnist Ann Coulter has worn out her welcome. Many readers find her shrill, bombastic and mean-spirited. And those are the words used by readers who identified themselves as conservatives.

[SimonFletcherRules!]

The religious right wackos in this country should be rounded up and Gitmoed. How are they any different than terrorists?

What do you think about the marxist left wackos?
Or are you biased?

[SimonFletcherRules!]

The problem with idiots like this guy shooting off his mouth is a lot of people around the world who don't know who he is will think he's representative of the American government or people. Just creates even more animosity and hate towards the American people around the world.
Good point MR!
You must include Michael Moore, Ward Churchill, Al Gore, the entire cast of Air America, and a few Democratic Senators as well. Great post beerslug!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

What do you think about the marxist left wackos?
Or are you biased?

Which ones are advocating assasination and are actually bombing and killing people?

Good point MR!
You must include Michael Moore, Ward Churchill, Al Gore, the entire cast of Air America, and a few Democratic Senators as well. Great post beerslug!

Thanks! It's not often that a Bush kool-aid drinker actually understands the damage to world perception that the Bush administration and the religious right wackos do to this country.

[SimonFletcherRules!]

First of all I think Robertson is a dolt. He is a chump and should not be taken seriously, or overcovered by the media like he does.

Second of all, answer the question.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Thanks! It's not often that a Bush kool-aid drinker actually understands the damage to world perception that the Bush administration and the religious right wackos do to this country.

:laugh:

^5

[W*GS]

It's not often that a Bush kool-aid drinker actually understands the damage to world perception that the Bush administration and the religious right wackos do to this country.

So we should pick our politicians and practice our religions so that the rest of the world likes us?

Really?

Do you turn off Skinemax because your Hindu neighbor finds nudity very offensive?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Do you turn off Skinemax because your Hindu neighbor finds nudity very offensive?
Yes, I'm very sensitive to the people around me.

No, we should just practice common sense and our image will greatly improve.

EDIT: And make sure our next president can speak the English language.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

EDIT: And make sure our next president can speak the English language.

^5

[Thordur]

I was just browsing this thread during my occasional visits to this site when I saw this:

Neglecting the part about this coming from Robertson of all people I think he has a point. Personally I wouldn't give a damn if we did take Chavez out, plus if we did it would save a butt load of cash and more then likely keep the oil shipments that everyone is so concerned about.

Robertson shouldn't have said it, and deserves any criticism that comes from it, but I think his comments do have a point.

Let's see, killing someone to acquire his property. What's that called again? I'm delighted to see that Pat's fatwahs are welcomed by True Christians. They understand that it's not terrorism for religious leaders to call for people's heads if they're not brown Allah worshippers. Everyone knows that Jesus is a conservative American patriot who would agree that murdering people is a godly duty to decrease gas prices by 10 cents. Not to mention increase Exxon's stock prices. A common mis-translation of his words is the following:

Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

What he really said was:

Blessed are those who kill people,
who stand in your way for your God-given right to cheap gas.
Blessed are those who kill those who possibly maybe might attempt to take a swing at you at an uncertain future date,
for they are dirty Muslims who are going to hell anyway.
Blessed are the CEOs at Exxon and Halliburton,
for thousands dead for their increased wealth pleases the LORD.
Blessed are the assassins,
for theirs is the kingdom of heavenly stock options.
Blessed is the USA,
for theirs is every natural resource on earth and if people don't like it they'll get a .45 slug in their head.

Amen.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I was just browsing this thread during my occasional visits to this site when I saw this:



Let's see, killing someone to acquire his property. What's that called again? I'm delighted to see that Pat's fatwahs are welcomed by True Christians. They understand that it's not terrorism for religious leaders to call for people's heads if they're not brown Allah worshippers. Everyone knows that Jesus is a conservative American patriot who would agree that murdering people is a godly duty to decrease gas prices by 10 cents. Not to mention increase Exxon's stock prices. A common mis-translation of his words is the following:

Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

What he really said was:

Blessed are those who kill people,
who stand in your way for your God-given right to cheap gas.
Blessed are those who kill those who possibly maybe might attempt to take a swing at you at an uncertain future date,
for they are dirty Muslims who are going to hell anyway.
Blessed are the CEOs at Exxon and Halliburton,
for thousands dead for their increased wealth pleases the LORD.
Blessed are the assassins,
for theirs is the kingdom of heavenly stock options.
Blessed is the USA,
for theirs is every natural resource on earth and if people don't like it they'll get a .45 slug in their head.

Amen.

Memo to Ratscal:

You have just been virtually b*tch slapped.

:D