Any Fine or Suspension for Lynch?

[NaptownChief]

Haven't had a chance to check the board this weekend so this has probably already been addressed but I did see his helmet to helmet spear he put on that 9er on the NFL Channel.

I'm guessing that will bring a fine and based on his track record and refusal to confirm to proper play should warrant a suspension.

Any word yet?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Haven't had a chance to check the board this weekend so this has probably already been addressed but I did see his helmet to helmet spear he put on that 9er on the NFL Channel.

I'm guessing that will bring a fine and based on his track record and refusal to confirm to proper play should warrant a suspension.

Any word yet?
The word I got is your guessing abilities suck? hmmm...



You're right about one thing there is another thread on it somewhere.

EDIT: Did you hear about your boy Manning?
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/9zoz5">Team "Very Concerned" About Manning's Elbow Injury!</a>

[Mile High Shack]

Haven't had a chance to check the board this weekend so this has probably already been addressed but I did see his helmet to helmet spear he put on that 9er on the NFL Channel.

I'm guessing that will bring a fine and based on his track record and refusal to confirm to proper play should warrant a suspension.

Any word yet?
How was it an illegal hit?

[NaptownChief]

The word I got is your guessing abilities suck? hmmm...



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So you are confident he won't be fined?

[bendog]

oh, Lord, here we go again with nappy and the rules, LOL

[Mile High Shack]

So you are confident he won't be fined?

how and why would he get fined for an incidental H to H hit made on a TE that is trying to gain yards after a catch?

incidental H 2 H hits aren't illegal

look at the Lynch thread and understand NFL rules

[NaptownChief]

How was it an illegal hit?



I don't know, maybe cause he led with the top of helmet and launched himself like a missle into that 9'ers head... ???

[Mile High Shack]

I don't know, maybe cause he led with the top of helmet and launched himself like a missle into that 9'ers head... ???
http://72.22.74.110/BB/showthread.php?t=29163&highlight=lynch

you are seriously a dumbass

you know that right?

well being that you are a dumbass, I doubt you do know that you are indeed a dumbass

go suck on Peyton's johnson

[NaptownChief]

how and why would he get fined for an incidental H to H hit made on a TE that is trying to gain yards after a catch?

incidental H 2 H hits aren't illegal

look at the Lynch thread and understand NFL rules



Couldn't care what is on paper in the league rule book....Just going off what has drawn fines many times by the league and what they enforce....That was a typical type of hit they have fined many times.

[Mediator12]

Hey nap, did Casey Weigman tear up anyone's knee this preseason yet. I mean we all saw the dubious block of George Foster over and over last year, but I very rarely see the late hit Weigman put on that CLE safety that destroyed his career at all.

[Mile High Shack]

Couldn't care what is on paper in the league rule book....Just going off what has drawn fines many times by the league and what they enforce....That was a typical type of hit they have fined many times.

no

it's not

fineable hits are the ones on "defensless" receivers

like the Urlacher hit, the league will probably fine that one

[Mediator12]

I still think Urlacher's hit was legal. The only thing he did was not see the receiver and the ball at the same time. Freakin' pussified league.

[NaptownChief]

http://72.22.74.110/BB/showthread.php?t=29163&highlight=lynch

you are seriously a dumbass

you know that right?

well being that you are a dumbass, I doubt you do know that you are indeed a dumbass

go suck on Peyton's johnson



You are calling me a dumbass for sharing an opinion with the majority on that thread you just mentioned. Interesting that you are painting so many of your own Donk fans including Taco in that.

[Mile High Shack]

You are calling me a dumbass for sharing an opinion with the majority on that thread you just mentioned. Interesting that you are painting so many of your own Donk fans including Taco in that.

no, just you

I singled you out as a dumbass

Taco was just wrong, but you


you are a dumbass thwack

[Mile High Shack]

I still think Urlacher's hit was legal. The only thing he did was not see the receiver and the ball at the same time. Freakin' pussified league.

I totally agree, I'm just saying, based on last year and Clark and the Colts, he will get fined

[NaptownChief]

I still think Urlacher's hit was legal. The only thing he did was not see the receiver and the ball at the same time. Freakin' pussified league.



I don't disagree with that at all...I think the league has done their best to try and put skirts on the players. I'm a big opponent of the league trying to crack down on the hard hitters and also couldn't careless if they want to use their helmets as a spear like Lynch. That said they have tried to turn it into a pussified league and the Lynch hit was exactly the type of hit they are wanting to do away with. You whiners like Pile High can try to make this a Donk vs Chief thing and call me a dumbass all you want but it doesn't change the fact that he led with the crown of his helmet and damn good chance he will get fined.

[NaptownChief]

no, just you

I singled you out as a dumbass

Taco was just wrong, but you


you are a dumbass thwack



I just hope for that kid's sake in the avatar he takes after his mom...

[Mile High Shack]

I don't disagree with that at all...I think the league has done their best to try and put skirts on the players. I'm a big opponent of the league trying to crack down on the hard hitters and also couldn't careless if they want to use their helmets as a spear like Lynch. That said they have tried to turn it into a pussified league and the Lynch hit was exactly the type of hit they are wanting to do away with. You whiners like Pile High can try to make this a Donk vs Chief thing and call me a dumbass all you want but it doesn't change the fact that he led with the crown of his helmet and damn good chance he will get fined.

maybe if the your _efense would've actually hit someone in the past 5 years, you'd remember what real defense is like

[RhymesayersDU]

I don't disagree with that at all...I think the league has done their best to try and put skirts on the players. I'm a big opponent of the league trying to crack down on the hard hitters and also couldn't careless if they want to use their helmets as a spear like Lynch. That said they have tried to turn it into a pussified league and the Lynch hit was exactly the type of hit they are wanting to do away with. You whiners like Pile High can try to make this a Donk vs Chief thing and call me a dumbass all you want but it doesn't change the fact that he led with the crown of his helmet and damn good chance he will get fined.
Then perhaps we need a change in the rule?

I get the point you're trying to make, that with the league cracking down, they might fine him just to send a message or whatever, whether it's right or not. But with that said, if you're looking at the letter of the law, he didn't break any rules, so IMO he could get out of that fine/suspension with an appeal.

Again, maybe we will see a major change in what's legal with H2H.

[NaptownChief]

maybe if the your _efense would've actually hit someone in the past 5 years, you'd remember what real defense is like


Yeah your defense has been so spectacular that you have won how many divison titles in the last 5 years?

[Taco John]

Haven't had a chance to check the board this weekend so this has probably already been addressed but I did see his helmet to helmet spear he put on that 9er on the NFL Channel.

I'm guessing that will bring a fine and based on his track record and refusal to confirm to proper play should warrant a suspension.

Any word yet?



Did you just call it a spear? ROFL!

[bendog]

can't you move this to the non-football thread sites? (-:

[OrangeShadow]

I never even saw the hit but judging by past experience it wasnt that bad.

[Crushaholic]

like the Urlacher hit, the league will probably fine that one

poor Dallas Clark gets abused again... ROFL!

[NaptownChief]

Did you just call it a spear? ROFL!


While you are rolling on the floor grab a scrub brush and do something useful for a change. Let me define spearing for you as you clearly have struggled to grasp the definition.


As defined by the 2004 NCCA Football Rulesbook...I'm guessing the NFL shares a very similar interpretation:


Section 24. SPEARING

Article 1 : Spearing is the intentional use of the helmet (including the facemask) in an attempt to punish an opponent.



Now get your big ass up off the floor.

[Jason in LA]

Nap, the hit was legal. It was explained in the Lynch thread. H2H hits are only illegal against QBs who are "passers" and against defenseless receivers. That guy was off and running, so he was fair game. H2H hits happens all the time.

[TotallyScrewed]

"Article 1 : Spearing is the intentional use of the helmet (including the facemask) in an attempt to punish an opponent."

Please define punish (seriously).

Have they been punished if they lose? or just if they're hurt? Intending to injure another player should be the definition but it's very difficult to enforce. You must show intentions.

[Williams]

I think my avatar is the reason a lot of Chef fans have their panties in a bunch about Lynch's hard hitting.

[Darkdoc]

I suppose if Nappy is trying to say the league is arbitrary, and just makes up these rules as they go, and probably they (the NFL) have a special, secret, "Let's Get John Lynch Anyway We Can" committee just waiting for him to hit a player in the head, then I guess he has a good point.

But if Nappy is saying John broke the rules, and should be fined, then he is full of himself, and can be safely ignored.

[bendog]

nappys problem is he never saw the ben davidson spear on dawson, ie he can't tell the difference in spearing and heads colliding during a tackle. but trying to talk football with him is akin to discussing good porn movies with your wife.

[Bronx33]

John (nite-nite) Lynch...........

[NaptownChief]

nappys problem is he never saw the ben davidson spear on dawson, ie he can't tell the difference in spearing and heads colliding during a tackle. but trying to talk football with him is akin to discussing good porn movies with your wife.



You shouldn't hate people just because they are a lot smarter and better looking. Especially in your case or you are going to end up hating everybody but Corky.

[bloodsunday]

Couldn't care what is on paper in the league rule book....Just going off what has drawn fines many times by the league and what they enforce....That was a typical type of hit they have fined many times.
That type of play happens 50 times in the course of a game. The only difference was that a) it was Lynch and b) it was out in the open. This kind of thing is common on special teams.

[bloodsunday]

I don't know, maybe cause he led with the top of helmet and launched himself like a missle into that 9'ers head... ???
First of all that is a gross misrepresentation of what happened. Secondly, a missle? Are you serious. That reminds of a time a buddy of mine got a ticket for driving way too fast. The cop wrote "changing lanes like a rocket" on the ticket. What a gas.

Anyway... you are just fishing and probably hope he is suspended so he can't plant Dante again.

[NaptownChief]

That type of play happens 50 times in the course of a game. The only difference was that a) it was Lynch and b) it was out in the open. This kind of thing is common on special teams.

They made it a point of emphasis a year or so ago that they aren't to lead with their helmet when tackling....He was clearly leading with his helmet, to the point they could easily classify it as spearing. I saw the play live and I believe they showed one replay. I would like to see it a couple more times from different angles as sometimes it can be deceiving but base on what I saw I would say the same if it had been done by a Chief or a Colt.

[NaptownChief]

Secondly, a missle? Are you serious. .


Well you are correct in that it wasn't exactly like a missle...Lynch is way too slow to justify that description. Only player Lynch could probably outrun in the NFL is Clarrett.

[Bronx33]

Well you are correct in that it wasn't exactly like a missle...Lynch is way too slow to justify that description. Only player Lynch could probably outrun in the NFL is Clarrett.

Don't forget about Trint Green......

[Mile High Shack]

They made it a point of emphasis a year or so ago that they aren't to lead with their helmet when tackling....He was clearly leading with his helmet, to the point they could easily classify it as spearing. I saw the play live and I believe they showed one replay. I would like to see it a couple more times from different angles as sometimes it can be deceiving but base on what I saw I would say the same if it had been done by a Chief or a Colt.

How do you dive in the air and not lead with your head

I know you think out of your ass, so you can do it, but not many people can dive backwards

[NaptownChief]

There is room for H2H contact in the NFL rules but the rule book states the following:

:which prohibits "using any part of a player's helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/hairline parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily"...


That is vague and leaves room for plenty of gray area and interpretation. However that hit can easily be interpreted to be illegal as well as legal and depends heavily on ones interpretation of that rule. The way the NFL has been interpreting that rule the last few years leaves it highly likely he will get fined.

Pile High, you were correct about one thing, there is a dumbass on this thread.

[Jason in LA]

Nap, the rules are inforced when there is a defenseless player. Used to be a player that hadn't hit the ground after a catch. Now it's a player that hasn't performed a football move, what ever that is. This guy had taken many steps, and ran a good 15 yards before Lynch dropped the boom on him. H2H is that case is legal. Why don't you understand that?

[NaptownChief]

Nap, the rules are inforced when there is a defenseless player. Used to be a player that hadn't hit the ground after a catch. Now it's a player that hasn't performed a football move, what ever that is. This guy had taken many steps, and ran a good 15 yards before Lynch dropped the boom on him. H2H is that case is legal. Why don't you understand that?


The way the rule is written it allows for fine and or penalty under any circumstance they wish they want to deem a player was "using any part of a player's helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/hairline parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily"... It doesn't just have to be a "defenseless" player. The "defenseless" player situation is where they call it most often but it is not limited to that. If someone can show me from the official rules book that I am incorrect I would certainly appreciate it but no where in there have I found it to be limited to only that situation.

They leave it vague intentionally to give themselves more control and discretion.

[ScottXray]

I don't disagree with that at all...I think the league has done their best to try and put skirts on the players. I'm a big opponent of the league trying to crack down on the hard hitters and also couldn't careless if they want to use their helmets as a spear like Lynch. That said they have tried to turn it into a pussified league and the Lynch hit was exactly the type of hit they are wanting to do away with. You whiners like Pile High can try to make this a Donk vs Chief thing and call me a dumbass all you want but it doesn't change the fact that he led with the crown of his helmet and damn good chance he will get fined.

The officials did not rule it a penalty because it was a LEGAL hit. As mentioned previously the reciever had secured the ball and taken about 8 steps in trying to gain additional yardage AFTER the catch. He was not defenseless and was trying to advance the ball. Lynch came in fast and the receiver started leaning forward just as he arrived.. Ergo ..LEGAL and incidental HTH hit.

Much as it might disappoint you, there will be NO fine for the play.

GOT IT?
_i_O_i_

[Jason in LA]

The only time it is ever called is on a defenseless player or QB. Have you ever seen it called on a kickoff or punt return? Those guys are hit with H2H hits all the time.

[24champ]

The officials did not rule it a penalty because it was a LEGAL hit. As mentioned previously the reciever had secured the ball and taken about 8 steps in trying to gain additional yardage AFTER the catch. He was not defenseless and was trying to advance the ball. Lynch came in fast and the receiver started leaning forward just as he arrived.. Ergo ..LEGAL and incidental HTH hit.

Much as it might disappoint you, there will be NO fine for the play.

GOT IT?
_i_O_i_

!Booya! bingo! nappy can shove it.... Nnyah!

[NaptownChief]

The officials did not rule it a penalty because it was a LEGAL hit. As mentioned previously the reciever had secured the ball and taken about 8 steps in trying to gain additional yardage AFTER the catch. He was not defenseless and was trying to advance the ball. Lynch came in fast and the receiver started leaning forward just as he arrived.. Ergo ..LEGAL and incidental HTH hit.

Much as it might disappoint you, there will be NO fine for the play.

GOT IT?
_i_O_i_


So you have nothing from the official rule book that says spearing can only be called against a defenseless player? You are just cutting and pasting the same biased babble that has been going on for a couple pages. Wow I am really impressed with your work. :unamused:

[Mile High Shack]

So you have nothing from the official rule book that says spearing can only be called against a defenseless player? You are just cutting and pasting the same biased babble that has been going on for a couple pages. Wow I am really impressed with your work. :unamused:

it wasn't a spear D.A.

do you even know what a spear is?

Lynch led with his shoulders

[Bronco_Beerslug]

So you have nothing from the official rule book that says spearing can only be called against a defenseless player? You are just cutting and pasting the same biased babble that has been going on for a couple pages. Wow I am really impressed with your work. :unamused:

Apparently, you don't have anything that defines what "speraing" is either? Is that termed even used by the NFL?

[bloodsunday]

They made it a point of emphasis a year or so ago that they aren't to lead with their helmet when tackling....He was clearly leading with his helmet, to the point they could easily classify it as spearing. I saw the play live and I believe they showed one replay. I would like to see it a couple more times from different angles as sometimes it can be deceiving but base on what I saw I would say the same if it had been done by a Chief or a Colt.
Their helmets collided, but Lynch didn't LEAD with his helmet. He was chasing the ball carrier and the guy happened to turn into Lynch. Let me ask you something... if you are running at even half speed, what is the part of your body that is in front of all others? Your head. Unless a tackle is made near the line of scrimmage by a linebacker or that is moving laterally, you can bet that the helmet is going to make contact during the impact. Besides that, do you get flagged for using your helmet if you hit a guy in the thighs or in the shoulder pads? Nope. It's not about you leading with your head as much as the safety of the other player. I guess you probably think they should have suspended Gus Frerrotte (sp?) when he "speared" that wall while he was playing for Washington.

The premis of this whole thing is stupid. The emphasis and the point of the rule is to protect defensless players. It's really similar to pass interference in that you have to give them an opportunity to play the ball. After that they are just like any other ball carrier. If you are spearing -- or as you say launching like a missile -- that is different. Lynch was not even close to that kind of hit on this particular play. However, if you watch you'll see several of those kind of dive on headfirst hits during every game on special teams. The referees must not care about the special teams scrubs or something.

[NaptownChief]

Apparently, you don't have anything that defines what "speraing" is either? Is that termed even used by the NFL?


Look at the bottom of the last page...I spelled it out for those who clearly don't have a clue as to what it is.


As for Pile High, are you blind or did you not see the play? If you think his shoulder was leading and not his helmet you are one of the dumbest SOB's I have ever spoken with and that is saying a bunch considering I hang out on this board.

[Mile High Shack]

Look at the bottom of the last page...I spelled it out for those who clearly don't have a clue as to what it is.


As for Pile High, are you blind or did you not see the play? If you think his shoulder was leading and not his helmet you are one of the dumbest SOB's I have ever spoken with and that is saying a bunch considering I hang out on this board.

you are the only person I know that could lead with his ass instead of his head b/c that is the part you think out of

[UKBronco]

Look at the bottom of the last page...I spelled it out for those who clearly don't have a clue as to what it is.


As for Pile High, are you blind or did you not see the play? If you think his shoulder was leading and not his helmet you are one of the dumbest SOB's I have ever spoken with and that is saying a bunch considering I hang out on this board.

Well the doors there....

Explain how you can physically NOT lead with your head, considering its the furthest most forward point of the body when getting into a tackling position?

[bendog]

nappy tackled like he posts; he leads with his asshole

[Jason in LA]

If this was an illegal hit where was the flag? Where is the fine? Why is there H2H hits nearly every play without flags or fines? I think Nap is sticking to his position just to piss people off.

[NaptownChief]

Explain how you can physically NOT lead with your head, considering its the furthest most forward point of the body when getting into a tackling position?


Excellent point my UK friend and I happen to agree it would be extremely difficult to make a running tackle and not lead with your head...Donkey fans on the other side of the ocean are clearly much smarter than what they breed on this side as you can see from this thread their are several trying to argue that he didn't lead with his head.

Thankfully there are folks like you, SoCal, Slappy and a few others that can bring some intelligence to this board. If there were nothing other than the Pile High and bendover types on the board we would probably have to converse with grunts.

[NaptownChief]

If this was an illegal hit where was the flag?


Gawd knows NFL officials never mess up a call on the field. :hitself:

[bloodsunday]

Gawd knows NFL officials never mess up a call on the field. :hitself:
Yeah there was a certain game a few years back that would have (should have) made us 6 - 0 in the division that particular year. It's a shame officials are human. Nonetheless, there is no concern about this hit. It was legal all the way around.

[Paladin]

Nah, Napkins is sticking to his point because he is that stupid.......

As the man said, if you don't like it here, there are a number of other boards that would love to have your contributions. Try the Faiders' board...... Don't let the door hit you in the fanny when you leave, and take your smell with you....

[NaptownChief]

Nah, Napkins is sticking to his point because he is that stupid.......

As the man said, if you don't like it here, there are a number of other boards that would love to have your contributions. Try the Faiders' board...... Don't let the door hit you in the fanny when you leave, and take your smell with you....



And for her 277th contribution to the board Paladense added another that was about as deep and brilliant as her first 276. Where would this board be without her.

[Mile High Shack]

Excellent point my UK friend and I happen to agree it would be extremely difficult to make a running tackle and not lead with your head...Donkey fans on the other side of the ocean are clearly much smarter than what they breed on this side as you can see from this thread their are several trying to argue that he didn't lead with his head.

Thankfully there are folks like you, SoCal, Slappy and a few others that can bring some intelligence to this board. If there were nothing other than the Pile High and bendover types on the board we would probably have to converse with grunts.

I asked you the same question, but you didn't answer

of course you may not of understood, I said you lead with your head, but you my friend, would lead with your ass, b/c that is what you think with

[Tredici]

There was helmet to helmet contact. There was not a spear. According to the rules it was a legal hit.

Deal with it.

[NaptownChief]

would lead with your ass, b/c that is what you think with



When my ass has an IQ about 50 points higher than you and most of your comrades on the board it is far more than what is required. Using my head on this board would be like killing a mosquito with a nuke.

[NaptownChief]

There was not a spear.

Serious question. What would he have to have done differently in your opinion for it to have been a spear?

[Sideburn]

There is room for H2H contact in the NFL rules but the rule book states the following:

:which prohibits "using any part of a player's helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/hairline parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily"...


That is vague and leaves room for plenty of gray area and interpretation. However that hit can easily be interpreted to be illegal as well as legal and depends heavily on ones interpretation of that rule. The way the NFL has been interpreting that rule the last few years leaves it highly likely he will get fined.

Pile High, you were correct about one thing, there is a dumbass on this thread.
Just so I can end this discussion now, and we can go about our merry ways, I offer you this.
According to you and the NFL, if a runningback drops his head to run over anyone he should be fined as it is unecessary for him to do so. Anytime 2 linemen smash into each other, chances are their helmets hit. Should they be fined? I mean, afterall, it is unnecessary to smack helmets. Hell, let's just get rid of helmets. If everytime you hit someone with your helmet you get fined, just get rid of the damn thing. It's a pointless thing obviously. It's not to be used for the reason it was implemented afterall. Ya know, to protect your head when you play the game of football.
The helmet sits on the head. The head sits on the shoulders. You miss tackles if you use just your arms. It's tripping if you use your legs. So by simple subtraction one must realize that the only viable way to make a tackle in the open field is with your shoulders (which remember the head sits on) and wrap up with your arms. Now, we're not done yet. What do you do if you are trying to tackle someone bigger than you? You must lower yourself to gain leverage. But you aren't the only one lowering yourself, that person carrying the ball doesn't want to be tackled. So they too lower themselves to gain leverage. Amazing thing happens when 2 players lower themselves while running at one another with 2 opposing goals. A helmet to helmet hit happens. It truly is a miracle of modern science. This is why a h2h is not illegal on someone who has gained control of the ball and made a football move (which is ruled as atleast 2 steps with possesion).
We're all missing the major point. The league wants high scoring because it brings in women and casual viewers of football. It's exciting and blah blah blah. The only way to do so without completely changing the game is to eliminate the opposition to scoring which is defense. How do you eliminate defense without? Simple, make rules that are ridiculously subjective and open to a few individuals personal opinion on why something is illegal. Make sure these rules eliminate any advantage the defense would have (since the offense doesn't have enough advantages) and generally turn your league of hard hitting supermen into ballerinas and other less masculine things.
It's not about protecting players, if it was every type of h2h would be illegal. Besides, the only way a human being can be fully protected in the game of football is to simply not play.

[Crushaholic]

Just so I can end this discussion now, and we can go about our merry ways, I offer you this.
According to you and the NFL, if a runningback drops his head to run over anyone he should be fined as it is unecessary for him to do so. Anytime 2 linemen smash into each other, chances are their helmets hit. Should they be fined? I mean, afterall, it is unnecessary to smack helmets. Hell, let's just get rid of helmets. If everytime you hit someone with your helmet you get fined, just get rid of the damn thing. It's a pointless thing obviously. It's not to be used for the reason it was implemented afterall. Ya know, to protect your head when you play the game of football.
The helmet sits on the head. The head sits on the shoulders. You miss tackles if you use just your arms. It's tripping if you use your legs. So by simple subtraction one must realize that the only viable way to make a tackle in the open field is with your shoulders (which remember the head sits on) and wrap up with your arms. Now, we're not done yet. What do you do if you are trying to tackle someone bigger than you? You must lower yourself to gain leverage. But you aren't the only one lowering yourself, that person carrying the ball doesn't want to be tackled. So they too lower themselves to gain leverage. Amazing thing happens when 2 players lower themselves while running at one another with 2 opposing goals. A helmet to helmet hit happens. It truly is a miracle of modern science. This is why a h2h is not illegal on someone who has gained control of the ball and made a football move (which is ruled as atleast 2 steps with possesion).
We're all missing the major point. The league wants high scoring because it brings in women and casual viewers of football. It's exciting and blah blah blah. The only way to do so without completely changing the game is to eliminate the opposition to scoring which is defense. How do you eliminate defense without? Simple, make rules that are ridiculously subjective and open to a few individuals personal opinion on why something is illegal. Make sure these rules eliminate any advantage the defense would have (since the offense doesn't have enough advantages) and generally turn your league of hard hitting supermen into ballerinas and other less masculine things.
It's not about protecting players, if it was every type of h2h would be illegal. Besides, the only way a human being can be fully protected in the game of football is to simply not play.

BRILLIANT! I can see why Chef fans are confused about this rule. Their players prefer the "missed tackle" approach to playing football...

[Sideburn]

And another thing. I'm sick of hearing "hitting with intent to hurt someone". That's the whole FREAKING POINT OF HITTING SOMEONE! You don't want them to come back. Sure you don't want to cripple the guy. But you want to hit him so hard his mom feels it in her womb. Generally, if you hit him that hard, it's going to hurt something. You want to make it clear that you don't want him coming into your space, and as a matter of fact you don't want him in the game. Hell having someone hitting you hard is a compliment. It means your good and a playmaker. Damn whining pussies with their pussy rules and and and make out parties.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

And another thing. I'm sick of hearing "hitting with intent to hurt someone". That's the whole FREAKING POINT OF HITTING SOMEONE! You don't want them to come back. Sure you don't want to cripple the guy. But you want to hit him so hard his mom feels it in her womb. Generally, if you hit him that hard, it's going to hurt something. You want to make it clear that you don't want him coming into your space, and as a matter of fact you don't want him in the game. Hell having someone hitting you hard is a compliment. It means your good and a playmaker. Damn whining pussies with their p***Y rules and and and make out parties.

Damn right!

By the way Sideburn, if that is you in your avatar, you look like me 35 years ago.

[Bronx33]

Nite-Nite will be looking for clark saturday! if he plays.

[Sideburn]

Damn right!

By the way Sideburn, if that is you in your avatar, you look like me 35 years ago.
That's bill and hill about 30 years ago. Although, I did try to copy hippy bill a few years back. My hair just wasn't flowing enough.

[bendog]

That's bill and hill about 30 years ago. Although, I did try to copy hippy bill a few years back. My hair just wasn't flowing enough.
I always wonder if Hill had on those ho chi minh sandles that the really mean lesbians wore when I had to take a feminist lit class at UNC. Those chicks were mean as hell, and I really wasn't planning on 'bothering' them in any event.

[Taco John]

Gawd knows NFL officials never mess up a call on the field. :hitself:



Dude, I was up on the second deck at the time, and I could tell there was H2H contact immediately. You think the officials didn't catch that?

[NaptownChief]

Dude, I was up on the second deck at the time, and I could tell there was H2H contact immediately. You think the officials didn't catch that?


I'm guessing there were lots of people up in the 2nd deck a couple years ago that saw the block in the back immediately on the Dante punt return but they didn't call that either... ;D


Are you foolish enough to think they don't miss obvious calls?

[ScottXray]

So you have nothing from the official rule book that says spearing can only be called against a defenseless player? You are just cutting and pasting the same biased babble that has been going on for a couple pages. Wow I am really impressed with your work. :unamused:

Nap, spearing is using the helmet to INTENTIONALLY try to inflict punishment or extra damage on a player. Such as diving into a down player helmet first (and not necessarrily HTH either) . That is spearing.

Leading with the helmet happens on almost every tackle, since the head is on top of the body and traditionally the head is the first part of the body to reach any area when the player is at a run. Maybe YOUR body is different. The arms are appendages and not considered as part of the players BODY , perse.
Anyway, there was NO spearing, and the tackle was legal as defined by the rules. Changing the rules to suit the definition of 3 rd parties is done by the rules committee, not POed Chief fans. When the rules committee says your definition of spearing (John Lynch tackles anybody) then it will be so. Until then STF Up!

[NaptownChief]

Nap, spearing is using the helmet to INTENTIONALLY try to inflict punishment or extra damage on a player.


I am very impressed with your ability to know a players "intentions" from your coach in Portland. That is amazing. :notworthy

[Kaylore]

Dude, I was up on the second deck at the time, and I could tell there was H2H contact immediately. You think the officials didn't catch that?
Third deck, upper corner. I even saw it. You knew when the guy spun around passed out clearly knocked senseless.

[SoonerBronco]

And for her 277th contribution to the board Paladense added another that was about as deep and brilliant as her first 276. Where would this board be without her.

Don't worry, Naptown's 3,700 or so posts only typifies a Chef fans obession with the Broncos!!! rofl

[SoonerBronco]

I am very impressed with your ability to know a players "intentions" from your coach in Portland. That is amazing. :notworthy

I think you meant "couch" ...which most chefs fans will find on the front porch, along with their rotund wives and 15 ratty children. Nnyah!

[ScottXray]

I am very impressed with your ability to know a players "intentions" from your coach in Portland. That is amazing. :notworthy

From your post #24 this thread:
"Section 24. SPEARING

Article 1 : Spearing is the intentional use of the helmet (including the facemask) in an attempt to punish an opponent."

and from your post #39:
"There is room for H2H contact in the NFL rules but the rule book states the following:

:which prohibits "using any part of a player's helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/hairline parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily"..."

So COACH....which part of your own posts DON"T you understand?

Is it the word 'intentional' in the first post or is it the word 'unnecessarily' in the 2nd post? Big words for someone with no vocabulary skills, I know, but they have these things called dictionaries, which explain the meanings of these and many other words. Try one sometime.

So, one more time now. Repeat after me. There was NO foul on the play because there was: No intentional use of the helmet to inflict punishment, and no unnecessary violence! The HTH part of the hit was INCIDENTAL, in the course of normal play. :stupid:

[NaptownChief]

No intentional use of the helmet to inflict punishment, and no unnecessary violence! The HTH part of the hit was INCIDENTAL, in the course of normal play. :stupid:


And that is where things are so simple there smart guy....Being that he has a long pattern of leading with his helmet and going H2H and on record of saying he won't change his game a case could be made that it wasn't "INCIDENTAL" or unintentional.

I hope you aren't an attorney cause you would get your ass handed to you in the court room if you thought everything was that easy and that cut and dry.

[Bronx33]

Nap when is your generator going to run out of gas?

[NaptownChief]

I think you meant "couch" ...which most chefs fans will find on the front porch, along with their rotund wives and 15 ratty children. Nnyah!



That would be excellent smaque if it weren't coming from a guy in Edmond, Oklahoma. I'm guessing you get several views of the front porch couch and the rotund wives on your drive home every night. I'm hoping for your sake the view at least goes away when you get to your house.

[ScottXray]

And that is where things are so simple there smart guy....Being that he has a long pattern of leading with his helmet and going H2H and on record of saying he won't change his game a case could be made that it wasn't "INCIDENTAL" or unintentional.

I hope you aren't an attorney cause you would get your ass handed to you in the court room if you thought everything was that easy and that cut and dry.


That's the point, Nap. The rules. Lawyers aren't needed here.
If Lynch gets fined for this hit then the NFL is a joke. Get a reputation as a hard hitter and you get sent out of the league with fines and suspensions. It would suck. And no matter what happens, the fine last year for the hit on
Clark was so much BS.
This game is fast, and bodies are flying out there.
Maybe we need shoulder pads that make the crown of the helmet even with the pads. Then you can't lead with the helmet. Yeah that will solve it...of course no one could see left or right. Thats okay too...we'll just modify the Rules to only allow players to move in one direction on any given play. Changing direction will equal a 5 yd penalty. Oh better...those rules should only be for defensive players. Same thing for the pads...only defenses must wear them. :flush:

[SoonerBronco]

That would be excellent smaque if it weren't coming from a guy in Edmond, Oklahoma. I'm guessing you get several views of the front porch couch and the rotund wives on your drive home every night. I'm hoping for your sake the view at least goes away when you get to your house.

Obviously you have never visited Edmond. Shoot, I'll even post a link to my house for you. Here you go....my house (http://www.oklahomacounty.org/assessor/Searches/AN-R.asp?ACCOUNTNO=R126101290)

Oh, here is Bob Tway's...he lives in Edmond too...Bob's house (http://www.oklahomacounty.org/assessor/Searches/AN-R.asp?ACCOUNTNO=R129271230)

By the way just google Edmond and see what you find out...One of the top 10 cities to relocate to!

The average mullet and chef fan sighting here is low too...maybe that's why people would want to relocate to Edmond...I mean, who would want to live next door to a chefs fan?

[GreatBronco16]

I don't know, maybe cause he led with the top of helmet and launched himself like a missle into that 9'ers head... ???

Maybe we watched two different games, but I didn't see Lynch launch himself into anyone. I saw the TE running with the ball, then I saw Lynch running towards him. Then Lynch lowered his shoulder and head and hit the TE while still running.

Were are you getting this launching crap from?


Hey how about we fine all RBs that lower their heads when they try to bust through the Oline? I mean, they are leading with the top of their helmets right? Why can't the same rules apply to both sides of the ball?

[NaptownChief]

That's the point, Nap. The rules. Lawyers aren't needed here.
If Lynch gets fined for this hit then the NFL is a joke. Get a reputation as a hard hitter and you get sent out of the league with fines and suspensions. It would suck. And no matter what happens, the fine last year for the hit on
Clark was so much BS.
This game is fast, and bodies are flying out there.
Maybe we need shoulder pads that make the crown of the helmet even with the pads. Then you can't lead with the helmet. Yeah that will solve it...of course no one could see left or right. Thats okay too...we'll just modify the Rules to only allow players to move in one direction on any given play. Changing direction will equal a 5 yd penalty. Oh better...those rules should only be for defensive players. Same thing for the pads...only defenses must wear them. :flush:



We are actually on the same side of this argument. I don't disagree with your opinion of the pussification of the rules. But when the bastards put stuff like "intent" in the rules they leave it wide open for they to put the wood to a player when ever they want and that is how they like it.

[NaptownChief]

Obviously you have never visited Edmond. Shoot, I'll even post a link to my house for you. Here you go....my house (http://www.oklahomacounty.org/assessor/Searches/AN-R.asp?ACCOUNTNO=R126101290)

Oh, here is Bob Tway's...he lives in Edmond too...Bob's house (http://www.oklahomacounty.org/assessor/Searches/AN-R.asp?ACCOUNTNO=R129271230)

By the way just google Edmond and see what you find out...One of the top 10 cities to relocate to!

The average mullet and chef fan sighting here is low too...maybe that's why people would want to relocate to Edmond...I mean, who would want to live next door to a chefs fan?



I don't understand why Bob has a bigger house than you? ;D

[SoonerBronco]

Here's Naptown...
http://www.mulletsgalore.com/assets/images/picturebooks/09_luke_longnutz/jim_in_thong.jpg

Here's where Naptown lives...
http://www.mulletsgalore.com/assets/images/picturebooks/19_mullet_park/MulletPark.jpg

Naptown's wedding...
http://www.mulletsgalore.com/assets/images/picturebooks/23_mulleted_matrimony/wedding.jpg

Naptown's Brothers
http://www.mulletsgalore.com/assets/images/picturebooks/13_shame_on_yu/Reign.jpg

Oh...here's Naptown's Dad
http://www.mulletsgalore.com/assets/images/picturebooks/26_colnel_crapshoot/Colonel.jpg

[SoonerBronco]

I don't understand why Bob has a bigger house than you? ;D

Me either!

[NaptownChief]

Here's Naptown...
http://www.mulletsgalore.com/assets/images/picturebooks/09_luke_longnutz/jim_in_thong.jpg

Here's where Naptown lives...
http://www.mulletsgalore.com/assets/images/picturebooks/19_mullet_park/MulletPark.jpg

Naptown's wedding...
http://www.mulletsgalore.com/assets/images/picturebooks/23_mulleted_matrimony/wedding.jpg

Naptown's Brothers
http://www.mulletsgalore.com/assets/images/picturebooks/13_shame_on_yu/Reign.jpg

Oh...here's Naptown's Dad
http://www.mulletsgalore.com/assets/images/picturebooks/26_colnel_crapshoot/Colonel.jpg



Boy I didn't realize how much we look a like.

[Kaylore]

This guy rocks. I'm loving the tie.

[SoonerBronco]

Boy I didn't realize how much we look a like.


Weak comeback.....use some creativity. Whoops, I forgot, you're a chefs fan, using more than 3 of your brain cells is near impossible!! rofl

[NaptownChief]

This guy rocks. I'm loving the tie.


He looks like a younger version of the guy in your avatar. ;D

[NaptownChief]

Weak comeback.....use some creativity. Whoops, I forgot, you're a chefs fan, using more than 3 of your brain cells is near impossible!! rofl



How about you use more than 3 brain cells and learn to post pictures instead of red x's.

[SoonerBronco]

This guy rocks. I'm loving the tie.

Chefs fans are fun to look at!

It helps a slow work day!

[SoonerBronco]

How about you use more than 3 brain cells and learn to post pictures instead of red x's.


Seems like it works for everyone else...maybe instead of buying beer, moonpies, and mullet trims, you should invest in high speed internet. Makes those images a little bit easier to see.

[Kaylore]

How about you use more than 3 brain cells and learn to post pictures instead of red x's.
How about check your browser or the cables running to your trailer because the rest of us see them fine.

[NaptownChief]

Seems like it works for everyone else...



I see Kaylore's but yours are all red x's....


Anybody seeing the pictures vs the red x's?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Those are just the hash marks for Squaw loses you are seeing nappy.

[NaptownChief]

How about check your browser or the cables running to your trailer because the rest of us see them fine.



Maybe those pictures are like the Donks successful 2005 season....Imaginary and only Donk fans can see it.

[Kaylore]

Maybe those pictures are like the Donks successful 2005 season....Imaginary and only Donk fans can see it.
Gee, where have we seen this before? Everyone one the board can see something that the chorfs fan can't. This is like when several of you tried to argue Gunther was going to make your D better last year when they actually got worse.

[NaptownChief]

Gee, where have we seen this before? Everyone one the board can see something that the chorfs fan can't. This is like when several of you tried to argue Gunther was going to make your D better last year when they actually got worse.



or when you guys were certain it was going to be different against the Colts. Nnyah!

[SoonerBronco]

Maybe those pictures are like the Donks successful 2005 season....Imaginary and only Donk fans can see it.

Nap's house...
http://mn.water.usgs.gov/bemidji/gif/Early/mobile%20home%20circa%201984.jpg

Bet you need to have stock in aluminum foyil to get any kind of signal at your place!

[SoonerBronco]

or when you guys were certain it was going to be different against the Colts. Nnyah!

BTW, when did the chefs win their last Super Bowl???

[Sideburn]

Maybe those pictures are like the Donks successful 2005 season....Imaginary and only Donk fans can see it.
Maybe they just take time to load. What's that famous KC saying that we're so use to hearing? Oh yeah, "Wait till next year".

[Tredici]

Someday maybe all fans will understand a defensive tackle... Until then only the teams who practice this discipline will have knowledgable fans.

[SoonerBronco]

Someday maybe all fans will understand a defensive tackle... Until then only the teams who practice this discipline will have knowledgable fans.

Well said.

BTW Naptown, I enjoy giving you crap. You take it so well.

[NaptownChief]

Someday maybe all fans will understand a defensive tackle... Until then only the teams who practice this discipline will have knowledgable fans.



I think Marvin Harrison just got up off the dome floor and scored another TD while you typed that.

[NaptownChief]

Well said.

BTW Naptown, I enjoy giving you crap. You take it so well.


That is the way I want it this time of year. I don't want to like any of you and don't want any of you to like me...That way I don't feel bad twisting the knife when the season starts and you guys are struggling. ;D

[SoonerBronco]

That is the way I want it this time of year. I don't want to like any of you and don't want any of you to like me...That way I don't feel bad twisting the knife when the season starts and you guys are struggling. ;D

The feeling is mutual, although we get to twist the knife every year with the chefs. Low expectations...even lower results (insert Vermiel crying here).
Hilarious!

[GreatBronco16]

I think Marvin Harrison just got up off the dome floor and scored another TD while you typed that.


I don't recall Harrisson scoring a TD last year against the Broncos???

[NaptownChief]

I don't recall Harrisson scoring a TD last year against the Broncos???



I'm referring to the year before where the Donks did such a wonderful job tackling that Harrison caught the ball and fell to the ground and assumed someone would officially tackle him but while the whole secondary stood around with their thumbs in their ass he got up and ran untouched to the end zone. How could you forget that one?

13's pompus attitude about tackling made me think of that brilliant moment.

[GreatBronco16]

I'm referring to the year before where the Donks did such a wonderful job tackling that Harrison caught the ball and fell to the ground and assumed someone would officially tackle him but while the whole secondary stood around with their thumbs in their ass he got up and ran untouched to the end zone. How could you forget that one?

13's pompus attitude about tackling made me think of that brilliant moment.


Ahh yes that one. Not nice.