Do you support President Bush and The war on Terrorism?

[Ratboy]

Vote.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

No his war and not him. I do support our military personnel he has sacrificed for his grudge match against Iraq. And I do support our operations in Afghanistan trying to find the people who actually attacked us.

[TheDave]

cute how you threw "The Troops" in there...

GWB = NO
Troops = YES
The War = NO

2 out of 3 gotta go with NO

[Ratboy]

No, You cannot support the troops without supporting their mission.

[Ratboy]

it will come together.

Rigs and TheDave don't support the troops and their mission.

[TheDave]

No, You cannot support the troops without supporting their mission.

With that binary brain of yours, thats probably true... the rest of us more evolved human beings are able to make distinctions.

[clarker]

With that binary brain of yours, thats probably true... the rest of us more evolved human beings are able to make distinctions.I agree with you on this. I support both their mission and the troops, but just because you do not support their mission, that does not mean you don't support them.

How does that add up? What about in Kosovo in 1993. There were Republicans who disagreed with Clintons decision to use force, but that doesn't mean they didn't hope they were successful or that they at least came home safely. BTW I broke ranks in with my Republican friends and thought Clinton, because I thought it was the right thing to do. Caught all sorts of hell for it.

[Ratboy]

I
How does that add up? What about in Kosovo in 1993. There were Republicans who disagreed with Clintons decision to use force, but that doesn't mean they didn't hope they were successful or that they at least came home safely..

Liberals don't want this mission to be successful, if it was successful than that means President Bush would get praises on how good of a president he was, The liberals would die before admitting Bush was right to go into iraq.

[El Guapo]

Liberals don't want this mission to be successful, if it was successful than that means President Bush would get praises on how good of a president he was, The liberals would die before admitting Bush was right to go into iraq.

I agree.. but you have to understand that you made this poll on a forum whose team resides in Colorado. Colorado is VERY liberal my friend, best of luck with your poll.

[TheDave]

I agree.. but you have to understand that you made this poll on a forum whose team resides in Colorado. Colorado is VERY liberal my friend, best of luck with your poll.

Didn't Bush win colorado both times?

[Ratboy]

I agree.. but you have to understand that you made this poll on a forum whose team resides in Colorado. Colorado is VERY liberal my friend, best of luck with your poll.

I don't know for a fact, but i'd say 80% of the posters live outside of colorado.

[Ratboy]

Didn't Bush win colorado both times?

Dole won it in 96' also

[TheDave]

Dole won it in 96' also

Guess were not as liberal as Mav thinks.

[clarker]

Liberals don't want this mission to be successful, if it was successful than that means President Bush would get praises on how good of a president he was, The liberals would die before admitting Bush was right to go into iraq.I don't buy that(well except for maybe LABF).

1. Even if at the end of the day it is a success, the libs could still be right about Bush missleading the public to support the war. You should watch that CNN special "Dead Wrong" that Beerslug posted a link about. I never bought the Downing Street Memos because they are opinions or theories that British intelligence agents had about what they thought the U.S. was doing with the intelligence on Iraq/WMD. But this special interviewed several former Bush admistration memember and CIA people. It was a compelling argument.

2. Even my doubts about Bush and how he presented the evidence of WMD is growing, I still believe that the war was worth it. I still believe Saddam intened to get WMD's and so did Clinton going into the war. He may not have had them, but he wanted them and he would have used them if he ever got them.

3. I still believe that at the end of the day Iraq has been freed to make it's own laws, choose it's own leaders and defend it's self, the war will be worth it.

4. Libs may disagree with Bush, hate his policy and so on. But that doesn't mean they want the troops to fail. That would mean more of them die and I don't believe they want that.

5. I have never read any post by any lib or anyone who disagrees with the war insult the troops in any way. To say you disagree with the mission is not an insult to the troops. They are are doing what they are ordered to do.

[gunns]

No his war and not him. I do support our military personnel he has sacrificed for his grudge match against Iraq. And I do support our operations in Afghanistan trying to find the people who actually attacked us.

Exactly. Loved the way troops were put in that poll. Like we can't support them if we don't support George and his war. People who are for the war love to put words in peoples mouths. Any attempt to make their opinions appear right.

[Ratboy]

Exactly. Loved the way troops were put in that poll. Like we can't support them if we don't support George and his war. People who are for the war love to put words in peoples mouths. Any attempt to make their opinions appear right.

1 Liberal says it's "the worlds war"

another says It's George W. Bush's war.

Lets not point fingers at Bill Clinton though, He did have the power to avoid 9/11.

[Ratboy]

But so far, You idiots can't read..

I did say "War on Terrorism"

I didn't just say The war in Iraq.

I'm sure you liberals HAVE to support war on terrorism, or do you not care if terrorists are stopped?

[Crushaholic]

I support the war against terrorism. Not only are we fighting the terrorists on their soil (instead of ours), we are positioning ourselves to have a centralized ally that could help us take care of other Middle East countries that decide they want to harbor terrorists.

[Rigs11]

it will come together.

Rigs and TheDave don't support the troops and their mission.

Yeah in that wacky brainwashed mind of yours you can't support the troops and yet be against the flawed and unjust war based on lies in which they are dying daily. :loopy:

[Rigs11]

Liberals don't want this mission to be successful, if it was successful than that means President Bush would get praises on how good of a president he was, The liberals would die before admitting Bush was right to go into iraq.

That is the biggest copout around these boards, that if Dubya actually did the things that he was supposed to we would not praise him so it's somehow ok that he doesn't do those things.Sit down junior.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

With that binary brain of yours, thats probably true... the rest of us more evolved human beings are able to make distinctions.

:laugh:

^5

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I support the war against terrorism. Not only are we fighting the terrorists on their soil (instead of ours)

As long as it's not you or your kids doing the fighting, eh?

BTW, your premise is a half-truth insofar as Bush's policies are creating three new terrorists for every terrorist killed and eliciting hatred of Americans among ordinary Muslims throughout the world.

Bush is a better recruiter for al Qaeda than Bin Laden could have ever imagined in his wildest wet dreams.

...we are positioning ourselves to have a centralized ally that could help us take care of other Middle East countries that decide they want to harbor terrorists.

Pure fantasy.

All the facts indicate that just the opposite is taking place in Iraq.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Exactly. Loved the way troops were put in that poll. Like we can't support them if we don't support George and his war. People who are for the war love to put words in peoples mouths. Any attempt to make their opinions appear right.

Don't you just love the way Rat Turd is working the same old, tired "if you don't support GeeDubya and his illegal war then you don't support the troops" con job (as though we hadn't heard it a million times already?)

Oh well, what more can we expect from a moron who needs to post a poll like this one to ascertain that the majority of OM members are repubs/conservatives/chimp supporters?

:D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I'm sure you liberals HAVE to support war on terrorism, or do you not care if terrorists are stopped?

#1. Terrorism is a tactic. You can't fight a war against a tactic.

#2. According to your own CIA and Pentagon, the arrogant punk in the WH is creating more terrorists than he's killing with his idiotic cowboy policies and his illegal war against a country that was no threat to us and never attacked us.

But if you don't believe the CIA and the Pentagon then just ask the people of London.

#3. Liberals want to see terrorists stopped. We also know the moron you support is recruiting more terrorists than he is stopping.

[Play2win]

I think somebody needs to go take a Logic Course at his local Community College, but, of course, first he would have to pass his G.E.D. ::)

[Play2win]

How about this, I SUPPORT the TROUPS, thats why I DON'T support BUSH!!!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I think somebody needs to go take a Logic Course at his local Community College, but, of course, first he would have to pass his G.E.D. ::)

LOL

^5

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

How about this, I SUPPORT the TROUPS, thats why I DON'T support BUSH!!!

:thumbsup:

I like it!

How about "if you support the troops, then you must vote to impeach?"

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

An excellent reference:

The Bush administration's Top 40 Lies about war and terrorism

http://www.citypages.com/databank/24/1182/article11417.asp

[W*GS]

This is one of the most idiotic "polls" I've seen.

[Ratboy]

I should make things clearer for the reading impared.

"Do you support Bush's reasons on why we're fighting terrorism"

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Rohirrim]

Three different categories under one question. Where'd you learn that? The Rove Academy.

[Montaq]

How about this, I SUPPORT the TROUPS, thats why I DON'T support BUSH!!!

Exactly.

[bendog]

Mission tends to have different meanings. From what I can tell, the guys over there view "mission" as being their daily assigned task, and staying alive/non maimed. Bushii defines "mission" as a federalist unified secular iraq, but he's even changing on that, because it's coming apart, and he's purely into political damage control.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/20/AR2005082001202.html

[Ratboy]

I think somebody needs to go take a Logic Course at his local Community College, but, of course, first he would have to pass his G.E.D. ::)

Lets result to personal attacks, moron. Liberals stride on PC, yet fail to back it up.

Also we can go on about who has a ged and who doesnt, a number of orangemaners, who are more intelligent than you can dream of have ged's.

Peter Jennings, Liberal News Anchor dropped out.

It doesn't matter if i have a GED, I'll have a Bachelors and Military time to cover that up. Family comes first before school.

[bendog]

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050822/NEWS01/50822001/1002

my daughter's 10. damn it.

[Play2win]

Three different categories under one question. Where'd you learn that? The Rove Academy.
Thats why I made my "Logic" comment. Its simple "and" / "or" stuff...

[Play2win]

Lets result to personal attacks, moron. Liberals stride on PC, yet fail to back it up.

Also we can go on about who has a ged and who doesnt, a number of orangemaners, who are more intelligent than you can dream of have ged's.

Peter Jennings, Liberal News Anchor dropped out.

It doesn't matter if i have a GED, I'll have a Bachelors and Military time to cover that up. Family comes first before school.
It wasn't a personal attack, it was an attack on this false premise you laid down.

On the other examples you mention, you don't have to be an Einstein to realize those are the extreme cases. They are definitely not the NORMS. Those are the ones with excessive Drive, Talent, Opportunity. Just because they made it that way, doesn't mean others are going to be able to do it. Einstein himself Flunked Math, does that mean all aspiring Physicists should make sure they flunk math? I don't think so.

[Play2win]

BTW- I really, REALLY want to be a Centralist. I am striving real hard to be one. But this ADMINISTRATION (regimé) IS MAKING IT VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BE ONE!!!

Both parties have it wrong to some degree or another. I am not registered with either party. But as much as each party has their faults, BUSH is far more WRONG than 10 time both paries PUT TOGETHER (atleast!!)

[Traveler]

cute how you threw "The Troops" in there...

GWB = NO
Troops = YES
The War = NO

2 out of 3 gotta go with NO


Ditto!

[gunns]

Well, can finally post again. Bush has left the town. He was acrossed the street from my work and we were not allowed internet access or to stand in the front of the building. But that did not stop our customers and assorted elderly from the high rise next door from standing out there and giving him the "#1" salute.

[SoCalBronco]

BTW- I really, REALLY want to be a Centralist.

This is just as believable (or unbelievable as the case is) as your claim that your not a homer for U$ C and Matt Leinart.

[SoCalBronco]

It wasn't a personal attack, it was an attack on this false premise you laid down.
.

Making fun of someone because they dont have a GED isnt a personal attack?

I thought this thread was about the War and its legitimacy or illegitimacy depending on your perspective. Not sure why you have to resort to attacks on people.


No wonder most people on this board prefer Chiefsplanet's political forum.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

No wonder most people on this board prefer Chiefsplanet's political forum.
Can't go there, I'm not allowed, banned for life, I guess zowie!

[Montaq]

No wonder most people on this board prefer Chiefsplanet's political forum.

Nothing more exciting then a poll every other day debating whether to ban someone who's opinion they don't like.

[Montaq]

I thought this thread was about the War and its legitimacy or illegitimacy depending on your perspective. Not sure why you have to resort to attacks on people.


By adding, "the troops", into the poll question this thread has no purpose but to attack those who oppose Bush. IMO

[SoCalBronco]

By adding, "the troops", into the poll question this thread has no purpose but to attack those who oppose Bush. IMO

And I didnt object to anyone who criticized the thread starter on those grounds. But education smack? Thats below even this board believe it or not.

[Play2win]

And I didnt object to anyone who criticized the thread starter on those grounds. But education smack? Thats below even this board believe it or not.
Listen I had no Idea if he had a GED, a 2 degree, a Bachelors (yeah, right), but if he had taken college courses, he definitelly missed the Logic course.

He was trying to be cute with that (joke of a) Poll, and I was just being cute back.

BTW- as of right now, the guy I want next year is D'BRICKASHAW FERGUSON

[bendog]

I think assuming a sense of humor / cuteness on polls like this is really assuming too much, sort of like assuming bushii really based his decisions on intelligence.

[Play2win]

I think assuming a sense of humor / cuteness on polls like this is really assuming too much, sort of like assuming bushii really based his decisions on intelligence.
That could be very well true...

[El Guapo]

let me reiterate.

Everyone in Boulder is liberal. :D

[Montaq]

let me reiterate.

Everyone in Boulder is liberal. :D

And that's relevant to this poll, how?

[Hogan11]

cute how you threw "The Troops" in there...

GWB = NO
Troops = YES
The War = NO

2 out of 3 gotta go with NO

That's about it for me as well these days.

GWB I never did support.

The Troops, always I have one Nephew in route to Iraq and one about to get out as we speak.

The War I supported at first....but I've soured on it...blame nation building I guess.

[bendog]

well the problem is that saddam and the baath, brutal they may have been, put their survival before ideology. If we just leave, with the kurds and shiaa getting the petro dollars, the sunnis society of muslim scholars may well welcome al queda in for real.

[Ratboy]

I should have made it more clear.

"Do you support Bush's choice to fight war on terrorism"

The troops go along with it, i've read MANY stories of liberals pissing on our troops.

[Ratboy]

Listen I had no Idea if he had a GED, a 2 degree, a Bachelors (yeah, right), but if he had taken college courses, he definitelly missed the Logic course.

I said "I'll have"

It's different from saying have.

[Montaq]

The troops go along with it, i've read MANY stories of liberals pissing on our troops.

Link to one of those stories?

[Rigs11]

I should have made it more clear.

"Do you support Bush's choice to fight war on terrorism"

The troops go along with it, i've read MANY stories of liberals pissing on our troops.

Oh if you read those stories than it must be true. :hitself: Where did you read those stories? Fox News?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Oh if you read those stories than it must be true. :hitself: Where did you read those stories? Fox News?

:laugh:

He probably heard them from Rush the Junkie.

He admits he's a dittohead.

[Ratboy]

Oh if you read those stories than it must be true. :hitself: Where did you read those stories? Fox News?

So wait, Are you denying that vietnam war vets didnt get treated like **** when they came home? Uhh

and Yes, they still do it.

[gunns]

So wait, Are you denying that vietnam war vets didnt get treated like **** when they came home? Uhh

and Yes, they still do it.

Yes they did, but the troops in Deseret Storm and this war are not treated that way. And the funny thing today when Bush was here, it was the Vets protesting him. As they said, we do support the troops, we want them home.

[Ratboy]

Yes they did, but the troops in Deseret Storm and this war are not treated that way. And the funny thing today when Bush was here, it was the Vets protesting him. As they said, we do support the troops, we want them home.

Ok, So you never heard one case about it this time around? ???

No one in United States thinks our military are "over payed terrorist"?

[TheDave]

So wait, Are you denying that vietnam war vets didnt get treated like **** when they came home? Uhh



Damn things must be getting bad... now even the Bush backers are using Vietnam Comparisons ROFL!

[Rohirrim]

"Do you support Bush's choice to fight war on terrorism"



Sure do. When does it start?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Sure do. When does it start?

:laugh:

^5

[Montaq]

Damn things must be getting bad... now even the Bush backers are using Vietnam Comparisons ROFL!

ROFL!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Apologists for Iraqi War going bonkers

"The unreal has about as much influence on them as the real..."
- Gustave Le Bon

It is all in the realm of a collective madness! Apologists for the Iraqi War, a motley mob of sanctimonious Right Wing ranters, ranging from Ann Coulter, to Linda Chavez, to Robert Novak, and others, are going bonkers.[2] They are literally cracking up under the strain of seeing a war that they fully supported, which was based on a pack of deliberate lies, turning into a huge debacle. Their roles as shameless boosters for the Bush-Cheney Gang in the failing scheme known by its dubious Pentagon-imposed title, "Operation Iraqi Freedom," should forever darken their names and sully their reputations.

As their pro-War ship of bile continues to sink, these lackeys for the Establishment have targeted for abuse a prime symbol of the rising opposition in the country to the immoral conflict: Cindy Sheehan! They have also begun a malicious smear campaign against pro-Peace groups, like: Code Pink-Women for Peace, United for Peace and Justice and Veterans for Peace. The obviously unstable Robert Novak, on Aug. 20, 2005, even questioned the patriotism of the members of these fine organizations, who have showed up to support Sheehan at her vigil in Crawford, Texas, by wrongly labeling them as "extreme antiwar demonstrators." [3]

Novak is an ultraconservative egomaniac. He recently walked off a CNN program, "Inside Politics, throwing a hissing fit and cussing on air, too, because questions about his sleazy role in the Valerie Plame affair might have been raised on the show.[4] One Capitol Hill insider suggested to me that the aging Novak's bizarre conduct that evening might have had something to do with the fact that, despite Washington's searing heat wave in early August, he stupidly persists "in wearing a suit, with a vest!"

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/18088

[DBruleU]

let me reiterate.

Everyone in Boulder is liberal. :D

I'm in Boulder, and I'm as conservative as they come. :)

Everyone in Boulder still has their Kerry stickers on their bumpers. I would think after nearly 9 months, they would get over it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Everyone in Boulder still has their Kerry stickers on their bumpers. I would think after nearly 9 months, they would get over it.

Nine months....

Hmmm....that's about how long it took the vast majority of Americans to get over Bush.

:D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Rigs11]

Ok, So you never heard one case about it this time around? ???

No one in United States thinks our military are "over payed terrorist"?

I don't think that our military is...now Dubya on the other hand...

[MistrSynistr]

Liberals don't want this mission to be successful, if it was successful than that means President Bush would get praises on how good of a president he was, The liberals would die before admitting Bush was right to go into iraq.

Ummm..If President Bush went there for a reason AND ALSO came out successful, none of us would be voting on this right now..."Liberals", for the most part, aren't usually stereotyped as being blinded by our party affiliations. We want what's good for the human race, and more importantly, our troops. Considering we were LIED to get into IRAQ, the best possible way to protect OUR troops is to NOT HAVE THEM BE THERE, GETTING KILLED, PERIOD.

Why is this so hard to understand? It's simple logic, my friend.

[Nuggets4]

Ok, So you never heard one case about it this time around? ???

No one in United States thinks our military are "over payed terrorist"?

I actually heard of one case (http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-08-16T155556Z_01_SCH657034_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-BUSH-PROTESTER-DC.XML) of someone disrespecting the troops. Not sure that helps your argument too much though Ratboy.

[Spider]

I actually heard of one case (http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-08-16T155556Z_01_SCH657034_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-BUSH-PROTESTER-DC.XML) of someone disrespecting the troops. Not sure that helps your argument too much though Ratboy.
LOL ........ thats a swift kick in the ass

[clarker]

Why is this so hard to understand? It's simple logic, my friend.[/QUOTE]
..."Liberals", for the most part, aren't usually stereotyped as being blinded by our party affiliations-MistrSynistr


Really? I guess you have never read LABroncofans' posts.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Really? I guess you have never read LABroncofans' posts.

Well, one thing is for certain: Neither has Clarker.

[clarker]

Well, one thing is for certain: Neither has Clarker.I try not too. But 4,000 posts of cartoons and the same old nagging rant is hard to ignore.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I try not too. But 4,000 posts of cartoons and the same old nagging rant is hard to ignore.

Thanks for making my point for me.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

BTW, if the truth about the thugs you're supporting sounds like a "nagging rant" to you, then you'd better find a way to deal with it, because the percentage of Americans who are calling BS on those thugs is growing by the day.

[Ratboy]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/barn9/womens-rites.jpg

[DBruleU]

You think that is bad? I invite you to check out the video's that are posted on Micheal Savage's website. It's pretty gruesome stuff, I couldnt even watch a minute of it, but it definitely shows the brutality of these people. And the Libs wanna defend these scum bags. Poor terrorists at Gitmo.

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/index.html

Scroll down a little and you'll see the vids. Right in the center of the page.

[Spider]

You think that is bad? I invite you to check out the video's that are posted on Micheal Savage's website. It's pretty gruesome stuff, I couldnt even watch a minute of it, but it definitely shows the brutality of these people. And the Libs wanna defend these scum bags. Poor terrorists at Gitmo.

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/index.html

Scroll down a little and you'll see the vids. Right in the center of the page.
LOL simpleton . Figures...... it isnt that we want to protect these People you twit , what we want is to Protect their rights , See as an American , we should hold ourselfs to higher standards , we had our Fathers , grandfathers , fight for these rights , Died for these rights , I guess it is somthing you will never be able to understand .....I guess you think the bill of rights is just some piece of glorified toilet paper ... to others it is way of life .......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Rat Kiddie with the same old bigoted, hate-filled right-wing spin, i.e., that the people pictured in his little graphic represent 'Muslims' in general.

At the rate the AWOL Monkey is going, this might just become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Ratboy]

RUSH: San Diego up next. Hello, George. Glad you waited. Welcome to the EIB Network.

CALLER: Well, Rush, I thought you'd like to talk to somebody that does not support the war, and I do not support the troops. Uh, I go back to --

RUSH: Why did you think I'd want to talk to you?

CALLER: Well, because you were mentioning earlier that you found it, uh, you know, hard to believe that, uh, people that could support the war -- could not support the war -- and at the same time support the troops.

RUSH: Well, that's just what most people on the left say. They say they "support the troops but they don't support the war," but I've never thought those two were really compatible.

CALLER: And they're not, and you're exactly right. There was a song from the sixties by Donovan; it was called The Universal Soldier, and a line in it said, "Without the universal soldier, Hitler [sic-- Ceasar] would have stood alone," and I believe that the principles of the Nuremberg trials require that the soldiers today refuse illegal orders, and I support the troops that are applying for conscientious objector status that are going AWOL and going to Canada. Those are the troops that I support.

RUSH: Wait. There aren't any.

CALLER: Oh... (pause) Well, you're dazed and confused then.


RUSH: No. That was back during the time of a draft. I've heard of one wacko that went to Canada and they refused to take him after a full hearing. There's not a bunch of AWOL in Canada and there certainly aren't any COs because there's no draft!

CALLER: Mmm-hmm. Well...

RUSH: This is not the 60s. By the way, would you explain another contradiction to me? You said were if it not for the Universal Soldier, that Hitler would have stood alone. Sounds to me like that's supportive of soldiers.

CALLER: Well, I don't understand.

RUSH: Oh, you're talking about German soldiers who followed orders?

CALLER: Well --


Even your own "KIND" say it's impossible.

[Montaq]

Well if Rush says so, it must be.

[Ratboy]

Well if Rush says so, it must be.

It's the lib who said he agreed and they werent compatible. Maybe you didnt read it.

[Montaq]

It's the lib who said he agreed and they werent compatible. Maybe you didnt read it.

Does he go by "George" in real life or is it just his character's name on the show?

[Nuggets4]

It's the lib who said he agreed and they werent compatible. Maybe you didnt read it.

OK, seriously. You didn't at any point think that maybe, JUST MAYBE, it was actually a conservative pretending to be a liberal? Why would a liberal call in to Rush's show? That's like a conservative calling in to Randi Rhodes.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That's Rush the Junkie:

Talent on loan from hillbilly heroin.

:laugh:

[Montaq]

OK, seriously. You didn't at any point think that maybe, JUST MAYBE, it was actually a conservative pretending to be a liberal? Why would a liberal call in to Rush's show? That's like a conservative calling in to Randi Rhodes.

Exactly, most liberals are sitting around waiting to call into Rush and help him prove his stupid theory.

[Ratboy]

OK, seriously. You didn't at any point think that maybe, JUST MAYBE, it was actually a conservative pretending to be a liberal? Why would a liberal call in to Rush's show? That's like a conservative calling in to Randi Rhodes.

http://tinypic.com/b61uah.jpg

[Ratboy]

Exactly, most liberals are sitting around waiting to call into Rush and help him prove his stupid theory.

He's #1 in the most liberal cities, that has to tell you something.

[TheDave]

http://tinypic.com/b61uah.jpg



Now i'm really confused...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

He's #1 in the most liberal cities, that has to tell you something.

But if those cities are, by definition, "liberal," then what could it tell you (apart from the fact that there are a lot of stupid people who enjoy listening to right-wing hate radio?)

It certainly doesn't follow that any sort of majority in those cities or in America as a whole buys into the views Rush the Junkie espouses.

[Ratboy]

Now i'm really confused...

[spin]

[Ratboy]

But if those cities are, by definition, "liberal," then what could it tell you (apart from the fact that there are a lot of stupid people who enjoy listening to right-wing hate radio?)

It certainly doesn't follow that any sort of majority in America buys into the views Rush the Junkie espouses.

Left wing hate radio is much better, right?

[TheDave]

[spin]


thank you...

[Nuggets4]

OK Ratboy, even if your "caller" is true, at least he didn't DRIVE OVER A SHRINE DEDICATED TO SOLDIERS! Funny how you ignore that.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Left wing hate radio is much better, right?

Yes - especially when the target of the "hate" is a murderous, treasonous gang of thugs like Bush Inc.

[Ratboy]

Yes - especially when the target of the "hate" is a murderous, treasonous gang of thugs like Bush Inc.

Double Sided. Funny how you libs work.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Double Sided. Funny how you libs work.

Not at all.

Your problem is that you don't seem to understand that voicing objection to the idea of a murderous, treasonous, thieving gang of thugs running the country doesn't make you a hater - it makes you a patriot.

[Hogan11]

Left wing hate radio is much better, right?

I'll take Al Franken over any of those other lameos anyday of the week.

[Ratboy]

I'll take Al Franken over any of those other lameos anyday of the week.

The majority of the united states disagree, Rush is #1. Al Franken doesn't even compare to Rush Limbaugh, Franken doesn't even compare to Bill O'Reilly either.

[Hogan11]

The majority of the united states disagree, Rush is #1. Al Franken doesn't even compare to Rush Limbaugh, Franken doesn't even compare to Bill O'Reilly either.

The majority? The majority elected W to a second term.....the lowest common denominator sells the most you know.

...and you're right, there is no comparison because Franken is more intelligent than those two cranks put together.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The majority of the united states disagree, Rush is #1.

How likely is it that "the majority of the United States" agrees with the Pig Man's loony right-wing extremist propaganda when only 36% of Americans approve of the alkie in the WH and even fewer Americans approve of the GOP-controlled Congress?

As for the Pig Man's ratings, they've been in decline as of late (while Air America's ratings continue to improve and the network continues to pick up new stations everyday.)

Franken doesn't even compare to Bill O'Reilly either.

O'Liely is Franken's prison b!tch.

Franken has outed O'Liely as a lying, right-wing propaganda monkey so many times it's ridiculous.

Faux News' ratings have been tanking since the Oil Puppet stole his second term.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Al Franken doesn't even compare to Rush Limbaugh, Franken doesn't even compare to Bill O'Reilly either.

S.S. O'Reilly Sinks Before Leaving Port

http://www.sweetjesusihatebilloreilly.com/

The Thomas More Law Center's "The Battle For American Values"� cruise with Bill O'Reilly has been canceled.

An automated message at Corporate Travel Service, Inc. didn't try to hide the fact that there was little interest in spending eight nights on boat with FOX News Channel's top personality:

"Hello and thank you for your interest in the Thomas More Law Center Cruise with Bill O'Reilly. Unfortunately, the cruise did not have the participation that all parties anticipated. Although the guest appearance by Mr. O'Reilly and the other speakers have been canceled, the ship will still sail...

Since October of 2004 the O'Reilly factor ratings have dropped from an average of 3.1 million viewers a month to 1.7 million viewers a month in May. This all started in October after the O'Reilly phone sex scandal with Andrea Mackris.

In case you are wondering what the O'Reilly phone sex scandal was, Click here (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris1.html) to read the entire 22 page legal filing by Andrea Mackris. It has a detailed transcript of what O'Reilly said to her on the phone.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

In the previous quarter, KKZN (Air America) received a 1.6 rating. Thus, KKZN has shown an increase of 25% in just 3 months. By contrast, KOA, which broadcasts conservative talkers such as Rush Limbaugh has registered a drop in the last 6 months from a 6.9 rating to a 5.5 rating. Thus, while conservative talkers are still at a structural advantage, the station's audience has dropped by over 20% in just 6 months.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/08/01/141706.php

Heh heh heh!

Wonder which right-wing infotainment lapdog Rat Boy is going to cheerlead next?

Jeff Gannon?

[Rigs11]

Not at all.

Your problem is that you don't seem to understand that voicing objection to the idea of a murderous, treasonous, thieving gang of thugs running the country doesn't make you a hater - it makes you a patriot.

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."-Thomas Jefferson

[ant1999e]

LOL simpleton . Figures...... it isnt that we want to protect these People you twit , what we want is to Protect their rights , See as an American , we should hold ourselfs to higher standards , we had our Fathers , grandfathers , fight for these rights , Died for these rights , I guess it is somthing you will never be able to understand .....I guess you think the bill of rights is just some piece of glorified toilet paper ... to others it is way of life .......

What rights? They had no rights until we liberated them. They had the right to get gassed by their dictator. The right to be executed for speaking out against Saddam. My fathers did not die for these rights. :USA:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."-Thomas Jefferson

Jefferson would go into shock if he were to meet Little Lord Chimpleroy and his organized crime family.

Explaining the Bush cocoon

Under traditional news judgment, the lead paragraph in American newspapers on the morning of Nov. 12, 2001, should have read something like: "If all legally cast votes in Florida were counted in Election 2000, Democrat Al Gore would have carried the state and thus won the White House, according to an unofficial tally of disputed ballots."

Indeed, the tally found that Gore would have carried Florida's key electoral votes regardless of the standard used for judging so-called "undervotes," ballots kicked out by vote-counting machines which could detect no presidential choice. Gore won even ignoring Florida's other irregularities - such as the badly designed "butterfly ballots" and the improper "felon purges" - that cost him thousands of additional votes.

To put it more starkly, a recount conducted by a consortium of major media organizations had determined that George W. Bush, the guy in the White House, not only lost the national popular vote but should have lost the Electoral College, too. To be even blunter, a pivotal U.S. presidential election had been stolen.

But that wasn't how the major newspapers and TV networks presented their findings. Instead, they bent over backwards to concoct hypothetical situations in which George W. Bush might still have won the presidency - if the recount had been limited to only a few counties or if legal "overvotes," where a voter both checks and writes in the name of the candidate, were cast aside.

Lost Purpose

Though the news media's recount had started with the goal of assessing whether Florida voters favored Gore or Bush, that purpose was lost in a rush to shore up Bush's fragile legitimacy in the weeks after the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

The key discovery of Gore's victory was buried deep in the stories or relegated to charts that accompanied the articles.

Any casual reader would have come away from reading the New York Times or the Washington Post with the conclusion that Bush really had won Florida and thus was the legitimate president after all.

The Post's headline read, "Florida Recounts Would Have Favored Bush." Referring to Bush's success in getting five U.S. Supreme Court justices to stop the vote-counting, the Times ran the headline: "Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote."

Some columnists, such as the Post's media analyst Howard Kurtz, even launched preemptive strikes against anyone who would read the fine print and spot the hidden "lede" of Gore's victory. Kurtz labeled such people "conspiracy theorists." [Washington Post, Nov. 12, 2001]

After reading these slanted "Bush Won" stories on the morning of Nov. 12, 2001, I wrote an article for Consortiumnews.com noting that the obvious "lede" should have been that the recount revealed that Gore had won. I suggested that the news judgments of senior editors might have been influenced by a desire to appear patriotic only two months after the Sept. 11 terror attacks. [See Consortiumnews.com's "Gore's Victory."]

My article had been on the Internet for only an hour or two when I received an irate phone call from New York Times media writer Felicity Barringer, who accused me of impugning the journalistic integrity of then-Times executive editor Howell Raines. I got the impression that Barringer had been on the look-out for some deviant story that didn't accept the pro-Bush conventional wisdom.

[For more on Election 2000, see Consortiumnews.com's "So Bush Did Steal the White House." For a broader historical perspective, see Robert Parry's Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq.]

Iraq War Prelude

This early example of the U.S. news media building a protective cocoon around George W. Bush's presidency is relevant again today as many Americans try to understand how Bush was able to lead the nation so deeply into a disastrous war in Iraq and why the U.S. news media has performed its watchdog duties so miserably.

The history of the mis-reported Election 2000 recount also attracted the recent attention of New York Times columnist Paul Krugman. After referencing Gore's apparent Florida victory in one column, Krugman said he was inundated by an "outraged reaction" from readers who thought they knew the history but who really had learned only a false conventional wisdom about how the recount supposedly favored Bush.

In a second column entitled "Don't Prettify Our History," Krugman argues that "we aren't doing the country a favor when we present recent history in a way that makes our system look better than it is. Sometimes the public needs to hear unpleasant truths, even if those truths make them feel worse about their country. ...

"Election 2000 may be receding into the past, but the Iraq war isn't. As the truth about the origins of that war comes out, there may be a temptation, once again, to prettify the story. The American people deserve better." [NYT, Aug. 22, 2005]

Whether Americans can expect better is an open question, however.

A strong argument even could be made that Krugman is wrong suggesting that the news media just wanted to "prettify" American history or that I was wrong in speculating that the distorted reporting on the Election 2000 recount was just a case of putting patriotism over professionalism.

A harsher interpretation is that journalists put their careers - not their love of country - ahead of their duty to tell the American people the truth. In other words, big media personalities may have understood that challenging Bush would put their big pay checks in harm's way. [See Consortiumnews.com's "The Answer Is Fear."]

At Powell's Feet

That also appears to have been the pattern during the run-up to war with Iraq. It was safer for journalists to toe the line on Bush's case for war with Iraq than to contest the dubious arguments presented by the likes of then-Secretary of State Colin Powell.

One only needs to look back at the op-ed pages in the days after Powell's speech to the United Nations Security Council on Feb. 5, 2003, to see the lock-step thinking of columnists across the mainstream political spectrum.

Even though Powell's speech was riddled with falsehoods and questionable assertions, none of the many journalists who safely positioned themselves at Powell's feet suffered professionally for their lack of professional skepticism. Many of the same columnists are still holding down lucrative jobs on the Washington Post op-ed page or as pundits on TV talks shows.

There's also little indication that skepticism has been ramped up to the levels that would seem justified by the long list of Bush's discredited war rationales.

Last March, for instance, many commentators - including New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman and the Washington Post's David Ignatius and the editorial boards of the Times and the Post - were hailing Bush's new Iraq War rationale, that is was the instrument to advance "democratization" in the Middle East.

Just as the pundits had bought into the WMD claims in 2002-2003, they fell for Bush's argument that the invasion of Iraq would spread democracy across the Islamic world and thus destroy Islamic extremism. [See Consortiumnews.com's "Neocon Amorality" or "Bush's Neocons Unbridled."]

Since then, as the optimism about "democratization" has receded - from Egypt and Saudi Arabia to Iraq and Lebanon - the Bush administration and the pundit class have shifted rationales again, this time to a modern version of the "domino theory" - that a quick withdrawal from Iraq is unthinkable because it would undermine U.S. credibility.

Just as it was nearly impossible to find a prominent U.S. pundit who challenged Bush's original WMD claims, there's now a scarcity of commentators who dare to make the argument that a U.S. military withdrawal from Iraq might undercut Islamic terrorism (by driving a wedge between Iraqi Sunni insurgents and outside jihadists who have come to Iraq to kill Americans). That wedge, in turn, could help stabilize Iraq, while Washington could focus on removing other root causes of Islamic anger, such as the Israel-Palestinian conflict. [See Consortiumnews.com's "Iraq & the Logic of Withdrawal."]

Repositioned Pundits

Still, self-interest remains the driving force behind Washington punditry. So, some columnists seem to be repositioning themselves in the face of Bush's slipping popularity, by sniping at Bush about style while continuing to support him on substance.

For instance, a Washington Post column by New Republic editor Peter Beinart chides Bush for refusing to meet with Cindy Sheehan, a mother of a soldier who died in Iraq. But Beinart, who supported the Iraq invasion, adds that Bush "is right to refuse" Sheehan's call for a U.S. withdrawal because "it would be a disaster for national security and a betrayal of our responsibility to Iraq." [Washington Post, Aug. 18, 2005]

David Ignatius, another Post columnist and war supporter, struck a similar theme: "Let's look at what the president is doing right: At a time when anguished Americans are calling for a quick withdrawal from Iraq, Bush is telling them a painful truth. 'Pulling the troops out [now] would send a terrible signal to the enemy,' [Bush] said." [Washington Post, Aug. 17, 2005]

Perhaps one of the most remarkable facts about the Iraq War is that despite all the errors and misjudgments, the Washington pundit class, which cheered the nation off to war, remains remarkably unchanged.

Though the Iraq War may be the most glaring example in decades of the U.S. government and the national news media letting down the American people and especially the troops sent off to fight, virtually no one responsible for this catastrophe has been punished.

While journalists have been fired for far-less serious errors, there's been no known case of a media personality being publicly punished for buying into the Bush administration's bogus arguments for invading Iraq. Instead, many of these same media personalities continue to lecture the American people about what needs to be done in Iraq.

But this Bush cocoon started years ago, when journalists forgot that their first duty in a democracy was to give the people the truth as fully and fairly as possible, even if some Americans didn't want to hear it.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2005/082405.html

[DawgPound14]

Yes. This is all the reason I need. Nathan Rock was friend and neighbor of mine killed in Iraq. Any time anyone complained about the war he would argue to no end with them about why they are wrong. He believed in this President and this war. And he knew our reasons for being there. He volunteered for duty and he served with pride. We are all thankful for him and his sacrifice. Even given their loss, the Rock family still stands in support of the war on terror and the war in Iraq, and are one of many families who have had their loved ones name removed from the protest in Crawford TX w/ Cindy Sheehan. We love you Nate and we all thank you and miss you dearly!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/03/marines.profiles.ap/index.html
http://www.wtov9.com/news/4831109/detail.html
http://www.wtov9.com/news/4818488/detail.html

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

He believed in this President and this war.


You've made it clear that you do too.

So, the obvious question is, why haven't you volunteered to fight in Iraq if you believe the war is necessary, just, etc?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/koran_Constitution.jpg

[DBruleU]

http://www.bartcop.com/koran_Constitution.jpg

lol Buckfush.com? I'm glad you get your info and GIF's from the best sources available on the net. Granted its a GIF, and we expect that from you, but your patheticness never stops to amaze me.

[DawgPound14]

You've made it clear that you do too.

So, the obvious question is, why haven't you volunteered to fight in Iraq if you believe the war is necessary, just, etc?

I don't owe you any kind of explaination as to why I'm not in Iraq. I'm getting married this spring and I've made promises to my fiance. I'm sorry if thats not sufficient enough explaination for you. So you can accept otr you can reject it.... I don't care. I've been personally affected by this war and I owe you nothing. Life is too short for me to worry about it or your opinions of me. So call me whatever you want. Smear me, trash me, whatever it is you get off on. I'm not going to argue with you on this because that post was simply to say a few words about a friend and hero of mine... not to argue political differences with you.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I don't owe you any kind of explaination as to why I'm not in Iraq. I'm getting married this spring and I've made promises to my fiance. I'm sorry if thats not sufficient enough explaination for you. So you can accept otr you can reject it.... I don't care.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3675/bingo425px2fb.gif

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

lol Buckfush.com? I'm glad you get your info and GIF's from the best sources available on the net.

Translation:

"I can't really deny the message expressed in the 'toon, so (guess what?) I guess I'll just have to attack the messenger.

Granted its a GIF, and we expect that from you, but your patheticness(sic) never stops(sic) to amaze me.

ROFL!

"Patheticness?"

That has to be right up there with "strategery" and "misunderestimate."

No wonder you identify with a brainless boob like Bush. :laugh:

Way to "catapult the propaganda," Gomer.

rofl

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

BTW, Gomer, here's what never ceases to amaze me:

Bush and the GOP have practically bankrupted America with their failed economic policies. Bush lied America into a disastrous war in Iraq that has killed almost 1,900 Americans and has left thousands more maimed and crippled for life. For the past five years, Bush and the GOP have brought nothing but scandal, shame, and dishonor upon America. Bush's approval ratings have, accordingly, dropped like a rock as the majority of Americans have slowly awakened to the realization that they've been duped.

Yet you come in here acting all smug and self-righteous like you occupy some sort of moral high ground when, in fact, just the opposite is the case.

That's what never ceases to amaze me.

[DBruleU]

Translation:

"I can't really deny the message expressed in the 'toon, so (guess what?) I guess I'll just have to attack the messenger.



ROFL!

"Patheticness?"

That has to be right up there with "strategery" and "misunderestimate."

No wonder you identify with a brainless boob like Bush. :laugh:

Way to "catapult the propaganda," Gomer.

rofl

Does the word hypocrit mean anything to you? Attack the messenger? Please. Anyone can go to a completely biased website and copy and paste everything they have to make a point.

And patheticness may not be a word, but I used it.

And by the way, next time you decide to rip on word choice, or grammer, please start with your bed buddy spider. His is bad enough for all of us.

[W*GS]

BTW, Gomer, here's what never ceases to amaze me:

Bush and the GOP have practically bankrupted America with their failed economic policies. Bush lied America into a disastrous war in Iraq that has killed almost 1,900 Americans and has left thousands more maimed and crippled for life. For the past five years, Bush and the GOP have brought nothing but scandal, shame, and dishonor upon America. Bush's approval ratings have, accordingly, dropped like a rock as the majority of Americans have slowly awakened to the realization that they've been duped.

Do tell us what you've done about all this. Besides 11,097 (and counting) posts here on the OM.

What real effort have you put behind your ideology? Tell us.

[Rigs11]

lol Buckfush.com? I'm glad you get your info and GIF's from the best sources available on the net. Granted its a GIF, and we expect that from you, but your patheticness never stops to amaze me.

Please, since you are so wise, try and refute the reasons that are on that cartoon, which the president did make as reasons for going into Iraq. He stated every single one on that cartoon.And you fell for every one. And you Reps called Kerry a flip flopper. :hitself:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Please, since you are so wise, try and refute the reasons that are on that cartoon, which the president did make as reasons for going into Iraq. He stated every single one on that cartoon.And you fell for every one. And you Reps called Kerry a flip flopper. :hitself:

Hole in one, Tiger Woods. :thumbsup:

He can't refute the message - hence, his only recourse is to attack the messenger and hide behind the same old, phony self-righteous attitude.

[Spider]

What rights? They had no rights until we liberated them. They had the right to get gassed by their dictator. The right to be executed for speaking out against Saddam. My fathers did not die for these rights. :USA:
All Men are created equal ....... My Father served in Nam , Whats your point ?
You realy think we fight for a piece of Land ? we fight over an Idea , We call this land home but it is our Ideas , that set us apart ........
PS if you want ot spread democracy , getting People to understand that all men are equal , is a damn good start .......

[Spider]

I don't owe you any kind of explaination as to why I'm not in Iraq. I'm getting married this spring and I've made promises to my fiance. I'm sorry if thats not sufficient enough explaination for you. So you can accept otr you can reject it.... I don't care. I've been personally affected by this war and I owe you nothing. Life is too short for me to worry about it or your opinions of me. So call me whatever you want. Smear me, trash me, whatever it is you get off on. I'm not going to argue with you on this because that post was simply to say a few words about a friend and hero of mine... not to argue political differences with you.
Yellow Republican ..........just like the others , you support the war , but you are too damn important to fight it ...... We used to call people like you cowards . yellow streak mile wide , but I guess it is the in thing right now .......you Republicans remind me of the UN .Talk alot of Shít but run to someone else to back it up ........

[DawgPound14]

Yellow Republican ..........just like the others , you support the war , but you are too damn important to fight it ...... We used to call people like you cowards . yellow streak mile wide , but I guess it is the in thing right now .......you Republicans remind me of the UN .Talk alot of Shít but run to someone else to back it up ........

**** you you piece of of ****. It takes a "real" man like you to run his ****ing mouth on an internet chat site. You run your ****in mouth like your the almighty gift from god you lifeless piece of ****. Get yourself a real job you ****in loser and spend more time building a real life and less time criticizing everyone elses. Honestly... we shouldn't fight this war... because there are too many worthless ****s like you in this country that aren't worth fighting for. You are truely a ****ing disgrace to ALL Americans democrat or republican. As far as I'm concerned you can go take your Spider and crawl under the biggest rock you can find and go **** yourself. Keep on running your mouth on the internet like the "hardass" we all know you are. When in all honesty your a pussy who probably gets walked on all day long at work, if you have a job, and the only way you can feel good about yourself is to put other people down. You were stuffed in too many lockers right? Your mom refuse you her tit? Whats your excuse tough guy? Its disgusting at how much you get off on tryin to make others miserable. Try getting your lazy ass off your computer one day and experiencing the real world for once instead of living life in your sick little internet fantasy. With that said... have a good life and **** you!

[Hogan11]

See your local recruiter ASAP.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Spider:

Judging from the way your yellow repub is frothing at the pie hole, I'd say your observations were right on target.

:D

[Spider]

**** you you piece of of ****. It takes a "real" man like you to run his ****ing mouth on an internet chat site. You run your ****in mouth like your the almighty gift from god you lifeless piece of ****. Get yourself a real job you ****in loser and spend more time building a real life and less time criticizing everyone elses. Honestly... we shouldn't fight this war... because there are too many worthless ****s like you in this country that aren't worth fighting for. You are truely a ****ing disgrace to ALL Americans democrat or republican. As far as I'm concerned you can go take your Spider and crawl under the biggest rock you can find and go **** yourself. Keep on running your mouth on the internet like the "hardass" we all know you are. When in all honesty your a p***Y who probably gets walked on all day long at work, if you have a job, and the only way you can feel good about yourself is to put other people down. You were stuffed in too many lockers right? Your mom refuse you her tit? Whats your excuse tough guy? Its disgusting at how much you get off on tryin to make others miserable. Try getting your lazy ass off your computer one day and experiencing the real world for once instead of living life in your sick little internet fantasy. With that said... have a good life and **** you!

Gee was it somthing said ?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Gee was it somthing said ?

:giggle: :laugh:

Yes - it's called "the truth."

A nasty thing to behold if you're a repub.

[Spider]

**** you you piece of of ****. It takes a "real" man like you to run his ****ing mouth on an internet chat site. You run your ****in mouth like your the almighty gift from god you lifeless piece of ****. Get yourself a real job you ****in loser and spend more time building a real life and less time criticizing everyone elses. Honestly... we shouldn't fight this war... because there are too many worthless ****s like you in this country that aren't worth fighting for. You are truely a ****ing disgrace to ALL Americans democrat or republican. As far as I'm concerned you can go take your Spider and crawl under the biggest rock you can find and go **** yourself. Keep on running your mouth on the internet like the "hardass" we all know you are. When in all honesty your a p***Y who probably gets walked on all day long at work, if you have a job, and the only way you can feel good about yourself is to put other people down. You were stuffed in too many lockers right? Your mom refuse you her tit? Whats your excuse tough guy? Its disgusting at how much you get off on tryin to make others miserable. Try getting your lazy ass off your computer one day and experiencing the real world for once instead of living life in your sick little internet fantasy. With that said... have a good life and **** you!

So in other words i was right on the money , you are too weak ...

[DawgPound14]

Spider:

Judging from the way your yellow repub is frothing at the pie hole, I'd say your observations were right on target.

:D

You can go **** yourself too

[Spider]

:giggle: :laugh:

Yes - it's called "the truth."

A nasty thing to behold if you're a repub.
LOL .... sent him off on rant ...... One day when his kids grow up and ask Daddy did you serve in the war , he can say no son I had a damn good excuse .I am Special Hilarious!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You can go **** yourself too

Wow - I didn't know Dick Cheney visited this board.

:D

[Spider]

Wow - I didn't know Dick Cheney visited this board.

:D
LOL . after this they will have to double his dosage of Prozac .......

[Spider]

See Puppypound .....ant1999e isnt talking the talk son , he cowboyed up .....Air force . me and him got off on the wrong foot , but he shut me up .Why he is walking the walk . He is serving this great country , while you prance around like somthing Special ..... Meanwhile ant1999e is laying it on the line while you run like a coward

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LOL .... sent him off on rant ...... One day when his kids grow up and ask Daddy did you serve in the war , he can say no son I had a damn good excuse .I am Special Hilarious!

Yep.

"No, son, I didn't actually volunteer to serve in a war I claimed was just, noble, necessary, and vital to America's security (that kind of thing is just for poor rural whites and minorities) but I did hang a magnetic yellow ribbon on the rear end of my SUV and attacked liberals from the safety of my PC. How patriotic is that?"

[Spider]

Yep.

"No, son, I didn't actually volunteer to serve in a war I claimed was just, noble, necessary, and vital to America's security (that kind of thing is just for poor rural whites and minorities) but I did hang a magnetic yellow ribbon on the rear end of my SUV and attacked liberals from the safety of my PC. How patriotic is that?"
;D yep .....

[DawgPound14]

Yep.

"No, son, I didn't actually volunteer to serve in a war I claimed was just, noble, necessary, and vital to America's security (that kind of thing is just for poor rural whites and minorities) but I did hang a magnetic yellow ribbon on the rear end of my SUV and attacked liberals from the safety of my PC. How patriotic is that?"

You mean the way you attack conservatives?? I attacked hard left liberals.... you attacked me personally. And for that you crossed the line. I hope your kids look back at that and see how gutless you are for that.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You mean the way you attack conservatives?? I attacked hard left liberals.... you attacked me personally. And for that you crossed the line.

Compared to your expletive-laden meltdown, my comments were positively benign.

And to think people like you claim to be all about "moral values."

Well, we know one thing for sure: You can dish the personal attacks out, but you sure can't take them.

I hope your kids look back at that and see how gutless you are for that.

:laugh:

Yeah, I'm sure my kids are going to want to skip the questions about my military service to get to those more compelling questions about something I said to you on an Internet discussion forum.

[24champ]

While some people want troops to be pulled immediately from Iraq because our soldiers are dying is essentially giving the terrorists a victory. Al- Queda is in Iraq whether you like it or not and we are there to kill them. I think liberals have such hatred for bush they overlook the threat of Al-queda in Iraq and focus more on Cindy Sheehan and the death count in Iraq. Speaking of Sheehan....79% of the american people were not swayed by her despite the media orgy in crawford and now shes headed to maine to protest a blue angels airshow http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3781629. What a joke the left is. PEACE DUDE! :puff: f***in hippies.

[Rigs11]

While some people want troops to be pulled immediately from Iraq because our soldiers are dying is essentially giving the terrorists a victory. Al- Queda is in Iraq whether you like it or not and we are there to kill them. I think liberals have such hatred for bush they overlook the threat of Al-queda in Iraq and focus more on Cindy Sheehan and the death count in Iraq. Speaking of Sheehan....79% of the american people were not swayed by her despite the media orgy in crawford and now shes headed to maine to protest a blue angels airshow http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3781629. What a joke the left is. PEACE DUDE! :puff: ****in hippies.

The problem is the right has such love for Dubya that they fail to see the mistake ridden quagmire that he has created. They listen to his ridicoulous speeches that provide no plans to end the conflict.They fail to hold him accountable for all those mistakes.****in hillbillies.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The problem is the right has such love for Dubya that they fail to see the mistake ridden quagmire that he has created. They listen to his ridicoulous speeches that provide no plans to end the conflict.They fail to hold him accountable for all those mistakes.****in hillbillies.

They also fail to acknowledge that al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq until after the moron decided to invade that country (which had not attacked us and was not a threat to us) and that al Qaeda wouldn't be there if it wasn't for Bush's bungling.

[W*GS]

"No, son, I didn't actually volunteer to serve in a war I claimed was just, noble, necessary, and vital to America's security (that kind of thing is just for poor rural whites and minorities) but I did hang a magnetic yellow ribbon on the rear end of my SUV and attacked liberals from the safety of my PC. How patriotic is that?"

Do tell us what you've done about Bush, the Iraq war, gas prices, ad nauseum. Besides 11,000+ (and counting) posts here on the OM.

What real effort have you put behind your ideology? Tell us.

[ant1999e]

While some people want troops to be pulled immediately from Iraq because our soldiers are dying is essentially giving the terrorists a victory. Al- Queda is in Iraq whether you like it or not and we are there to kill them. I think liberals have such hatred for bush they overlook the threat of Al-queda in Iraq and focus more on Cindy Sheehan and the death count in Iraq. Speaking of Sheehan....79% of the american people were not swayed by her despite the media orgy in crawford and now shes headed to maine to protest a blue angels airshow http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3781629. What a joke the left is. PEACE DUDE! :puff: ****in hippies.
Amen to that. ^5

[ant1999e]

The problem is the right has such love for Dubya that they fail to see the mistake ridden quagmire that he has created. They listen to his ridicoulous speeches that provide no plans to end the conflict.They fail to hold him accountable for all those mistakes.****in hillbillies.
It has nothing to do with the pres. You are all too hard headed to get the point. We're there. Now what? Seriously. Yeah he screwed up with some of the choices he made. Get past it for now. You can *itch and complain all day it will get us nowhere. Yuo are no better. You have such a hate for him you blame everything on him. It gets old. The question is how do we get out?

[ant1999e]

They also fail to acknowledge that al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq until after the moron decided to invade that country (which had not attacked us and was not a threat to us) and that al Qaeda wouldn't be there if it wasn't for Bush's bungling.
Finally We agree. Al Qaeda would have no business in Iraq if it wasn't for Bush. Instead all the energy and effort would be centered on our land. Get it through your thick head. They hate us. They hated us before Bush took office. They will always hate us. :moody:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You have such a hate for him you blame everything on him.

There you go working the same weak "expectation of accountability = hate" right-wing spin again.

Give it up, already - anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see that all you are trying to do is give Bush a free pass for his follies, frauds, and felonies.

And if you're really concerned about what we should do about Iraq, then you should start by calling for the impeachment of the lunatic who got us into the mess and who continues to deny that it is a mess.

[BroncoInferno]

The problem with the right is they put loyalty to an individual above principal.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Instead all the energy and effort would be centered on our land.

Pure speculation.

BTW, your flypaper theory went out the window with the London bombings.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The problem with the right is they put loyalty to an individual above principal.

And ideology/belief before fact.

For example, ant1999e ignores the inconvenient fact (reported by the CIA and the Pentagon) that Bush's policies are creating more terrorists than they are killing.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/wpe-tx-dem-ag.jpg

[ant1999e]

Pure speculation.

BTW, your flypaper theory went out the window with the London bombings.
So was 9-11 speculation? Do you really believe if they had the chance they wouldn't attack us again? Iraq is keeping them busy over there instead of here. Am I wrong or isn't Great Britain helping us fight the terrorists? Spain was helping, but they let the terrorists win. The problem with London is they were too lenienton extremists in their country. It came back to bite them.

[ant1999e]

And ideology/belief before fact.

For example, ant1999e ignores the inconvenient fact (reported by the CIA and the Pentagon) that Bush's policies are creating more terrorists than they are killing.
I don't ignore that is a possible fact. But you ignore the fact that these people hate us. They hated us before Bush. I don't know If there are more terrorists or if it is the fact that We are closer and more accessable for them to kill. You ignore the fact that you want to blame the president for everything that is wrong in the world. And before you start on your rant about how I don't blame him for anything , read my other posts.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So was 9-11 speculation? Do you really believe if they had the chance they wouldn't attack us again? Iraq is keeping them busy over there instead of here. Am I wrong or isn't Great Britain helping us fight the terrorists? Spain was helping, but they let the terrorists win. The problem with London is they were too lenienton extremists in their country. It came back to bite them.

The London bombing was proof positive that the situation in Iraq is not "keeping them busy" as you suggest.

And your claim that the reason al Qaeda hasn't hit us again is because of what we are doing in Iraq is pure conjecture without foundation.

[ant1999e]

The London bombing was proof positive that the situation in Iraq is not "keeping them busy" as you suggest.

And your claim that the reason al Qaeda hasn't hit us again is because of what we are doing in Iraq is pure conjecture without foundation.

90% of what you post is pure conjecture without foundation. It is possible that We could have experienced a few more 9-11's without the Iraq war. Not fact but since when do you care about facts. You post your liberal propaganda and partisan opinions. I don't defend bush as much as you try to blame him.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I don't ignore that is a possible fact. But you ignore the fact that these people hate us. They hated us before Bush. I don't know If there are more terrorists or if it is the fact that We are closer and more accessable for them to kill. You ignore the fact that you want to blame the president for everything that is wrong in the world. And before you start on your rant about how I don't blame him for anything , read my other posts.

Yes - there are people out there who hate us.

Their numbers are growing by leaps and bounds everyday - thanks to Bush's idiotic, belligerent policies.

I don't know If there are more terrorists or if it is the fact that We are closer and more accessable for them to kill.

Don't take my word for it...

US admits the war for ‘hearts and minds’ in Iraq is now lost

Pentagon report reveals catalogue of failure
By Neil Mackay, Investigations Editor

THE Pentagon has admitted that the war on terror and the invasion and occupation of Iraq have increased support for al-Qaeda, made ordinary Muslims hate the US and caused a global backlash against America because of the “self-serving hypocrisy” of George W Bush’s administration over the Middle East.

The mea culpa is contained in a shockingly frank “strategic communications” report, written this autumn by the Defence Science Board for Pentagon supremo Donald Rumsfeld.

On “the war of ideas or the struggle for hearts and minds”, the report says, “American efforts have not only failed, they may also have achieved the opposite of what they intended”.

“American direct intervention in the Muslim world has paradoxically elevated the stature of, and support for, radical Islamists, while diminishing support for the United States to single digits in some Arab societies.”

Referring to the repeated mantra from the White House that those who oppose the US in the Middle East “hate our freedoms”, the report says: “Muslims do not ‘hate our freedoms’, but rather, they hate our policies. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favour of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the long-standing, even increasing support, for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and the Gulf states.

Continues: http://www.sundayherald.com/46389

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

90% of what you post is pure conjecture without foundation. It is possible that We could have experienced a few more 9-11's without the Iraq war. Not fact but since when do you care about facts. You post your liberal propaganda and partisan opinions. I don't defend bush as much as you try to blame him.

:bs:

90% of what I post is supported by facts (for which I provide sources.)

90% of what you post is right-wing spin and propaganda.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Quotes

"You can support the troops but not the president."

- House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Tex, 10 years ago

[ant1999e]

:bs:

90% of what I post is supported by facts (for which I provide sources.)

90% of what you post is right-wing spin and propaganda.
Lets be honest. You do alot of spinning. Most of your facts come from left wing sources.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Lets be honest. You do alot of spinning. Most of your facts come from left wing sources.

Another lie.

Most of the sources I quote are mainstream, e.g., major newspapers from all around the U.S.

But if reading Bush's approval numbers doesn't convince you, then nothing will, I suppose.

[ant1999e]

Another lie.

Most of the sources I quote are mainstream, e.g., major newspapers from all around the U.S.

But if reading Bush's approval numbers doesn't convince you, then nothing will, I suppose.
Depends on which poll. You continuously miss my point. I have agreed with you on a few subjects, but you are so single minded you fail to see whatI'm trying to say. Try to read and not just respond. Nevermind. :drown: Your hopless.

[24champ]

They also fail to acknowledge that al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq until after the moron decided to invade that country (which had not attacked us and was not a threat to us) and that al Qaeda wouldn't be there if it wasn't for Bush's bungling.

OH YEAH THATS RIGHT! AL-QUEDA IS EVERYWHERE BUT IRAQ! Keep smoking that grass LABF....

[24champ]

The problem is the right has such love for Dubya that they fail to see the mistake ridden quagmire that he has created. They listen to his ridicoulous speeches that provide no plans to end the conflict.They fail to hold him accountable for all those mistakes.****in hillbillies.


whaa whaaa whaaa what? quit whining.....i dont see any brilliant proposals from your side. Well other than the GLOBAL TEST which is laughable or we have to "prosecute" terrorists instead of killing them. Liberals have a great track record of tracking down terrorists lmao right.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Liberals have a great track record of tracking down terrorists lmao right.

Actually, when it comes to tracking down, trying, convicting, jailing, and/or killing terrorists who have actually attacked America or its interests, our record blows yours to kingdome come.

But there is one record you own, without question:

The record for al Qaeda recruitment and turning ordinary Muslims against America. (See the Pentagon study I just posted.)

Congratulations. :puff:

[W*GS]

The problem with the right is they put loyalty to an individual above principal.

Did you mean "principle"?

LABF - certainly not a right-winger - who has put loyalty to Clinton above his own far-left populist principles. I've pointed out a number of things that Clinton did that directly contradict LABF's ideology, yet he has barely criticized Saint Bill.

So, given this one example, it's not just the right that does that.

[Atlas]

Liberals don't want this mission to be successful, if it was successful than that means President Bush would get praises on how good of a president he was, The liberals would die before admitting Bush was right to go into iraq.

Well, it's been 3 years in Iraq I think we can all say that it isn't successful. GWB has mismanaged this whole war. He drove away the allies we have had he failed to negotiate new allies he has not brought peace or security in Iraq and the our country is soon to suffocate from the burgoning debt we are incurring.

[Atlas]

Yes - there are people out there who hate us.

Their numbers are growing by leaps and bounds everyday - thanks to Bush's idiotic, belligerent policies.


GWB is the best recruiting tool Al Queada ever had.

[Crushaholic]

Well, it's been 3 years in Iraq I think we can all say that it isn't successful. GWB has mismanaged this whole war. He drove away the allies we have had he failed to negotiate new allies he has not brought peace or security in Iraq and the our country is soon to suffocate from the burgoning debt we are incurring.

Bush didn't drive away the allies. The monsters who were cutting off heads drove away (some of) the allies. You could say that Bush failed to keep the alliance together in spite of that, but Bush didn't drive away the allies.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bush didn't drive away the allies. The monsters who were cutting off heads drove away (some of) the allies. You could say that Bush failed to keep the alliance together in spite of that, but Bush didn't drive away the allies.

He drove them away before the first shot was even fired.

He failed to create a legitimate coalition like his father did in Gulf War I.

[ant1999e]

He drove them away before the first shot was even fired.

He failed to create a legitimate coalition like his father did in Gulf War I.
The reason we couldn't create a legitimate coalition is because most of the european countries as well as the U.N. were making too much money dealing with Saddam under the table. They didn't want to ruin a good thing.

[Rigs11]

Did you mean "principle"?

LABF - certainly not a right-winger - who has put loyalty to Clinton above his own far-left populist principles. I've pointed out a number of things that Clinton did that directly contradict LABF's ideology, yet he has barely criticized Saint Bill.

So, given this one example, it's not just the right that does that.

You're just as guilty doing the same with Dubya.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The reason we couldn't create a legitimate coalition is because most of the european countries as well as the U.N. were making too much money dealing with Saddam under the table. They didn't want to ruin a good thing.


Dick Cheney's Halliburton was doing business with Saddam "under the table" as recently as 2000 (while denouncing him as an "evil dictator.")

In any event, when someone as arrogant as Bush tells the countries you mentioned "we want you to support our war effort, provide troops, and provide money, but, BTW, you will not be allowed to share in any of the spoils," then what do you expect?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You're just as guilty doing the same with Dubya.

No kidding.

And I have to chuckle whenever I hear W*GS crying because I don't criticize a guy who hasn't been president for five years.

rofl

[ant1999e]

Dick Cheney's Halliburton was doing business with Saddam "under the table" as recently as 2000 (while denouncing him as an "evil dictator.")

In any event, when someone as arrogant as Bush tells the countries you mentioned "we want you to support our war effort, provide troops, and provide money, but, BTW, you will not be allowed to share in any of the spoils," then what do you expect?
We were talking about other countries not haliburton. What spoils? Is the U.S. making money?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

We were talking about other countries not haliburton. What spoils? Is the U.S. making money?

Is that a rhetorical question intended to be humorous?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bottom line:

The reason Bush was unable to persuade our traditional allies to join his coalition is because his essential proposal was "we want you to provide troops and money, but you won't get to make any of the decisions - only we get to do that."

[ant1999e]

Bottom line:

The reason Bush was unable to persuade our traditional allies to join his coalition is because his essential proposal was "we want you to provide troops and money, but you won't get to make any of the decisions - only we get to do that."
I understand know. See what happens when you act mature and try not to fly off the handle. Not too hard is it? :notworthy