Who would you cut?

[Mastermind2002]

Out of these three recievers Watts, Adams, or Devoe who do you feel would get cut? Maybe Shanahan keeps all three.

[Rocket 7]

B.J. Johnson

[Clockwork Orange]

Jerry Rice.

[orange crusher]

Jerry Rice.

Yep.

[Jason in LA]

Watts is a lock. His name has never come close to coming up when talking about the cuts.

[orange crusher]

Watts is a lock. His name has never come close to coming up when talking about the cuts.

Too much talent to cut. He just has to get over the dropsies.

[Rascal]

Devoe of the three.

[Kaylore]

I guess I'm the only one that saw progress out of Watts. I still think he'll be good. Remember how many dropped balls Lelie had last preseason? Remember how looked in the regular season? Yeah...

[Mastermind2002]

Watts is a lock. His name has never come close to coming up when talking about the cuts.

I would really like to see Watts start catching the ball. He won't be cut, but his drops are getting beyond old now. Call me crazy but I would be interested in seeing if Devoe can continue to make plays if he was put in the 3rd receiver spot. It's preseason, let's play around a little and see what Devoe can do.

[Mastermind2002]

Too much talent to cut. He just has to get over the dropsies.

I hope he can get over the drops. The kid has a lot of talent; just catch the damn ball.

[Mastermind2002]

I guess I'm the only one that saw progress out of Watts. I still think he'll be good. Remember how many dropped balls Lelie had last preseason? Remember how looked in the regular season? Yeah...

I hope that ends up being the case with Watts as well.

[orange crusher]

I guess I'm the only one that saw progress out of Watts. I still think he'll be good. Remember how many dropped balls Lelie had last preseason? Remember how looked in the regular season? Yeah...

I didn't see the game, but was going by what I had read on here. You're right about Lelie last year. To go back even farther, Rod had a lot of trouble with drops early on.

[Clockwork Orange]

Devoe of the three.

What's really sad about that is that Devoe has outperformed both of them at the receiver position thus far in the preseason.

[Mastermind2002]

Yep.

I think we need to keep Rice just in case Watts doesn't get over the drops.

[Mastermind2002]

What's really sad about that is that Devoe has outperformed both of them at the receiver position thus far in the preseason.

Exactly, which is why I would like to see if the kid can still make those plays further up on the depth chart.

[Clockwork Orange]

I think we need to keep Rice just in case Watts doesn't get over the drops.

I wouldn't keep Rice if it means cutting Devoe or Adams.

We can remove Watts from this discussion entirely, he won't be cut. Adams & Devoe are playing for their jobs every week.

[Mastermind2002]

I wouldn't keep Rice if it means cutting Devoe or Adams.

We can remove Watts from this discussion entirely, he won't be cut.

With that said, we can also remove Rice from the discussion entirely, because he won't be getting cut either.


Adams & Devoe are playing for their jobs every week.

I think Devoe wins out. It's been nice Adams.

[orange crusher]

I think we need to keep Rice just in case Watts doesn't get over the drops.

I just don't like it if it means cutting a young kid with potential like Adams or Devoe. It really sounds like Adams has stepped it up so far this preseason and Devoe looks like he could be a solid player in the league if he became a little more consistent. Jerry Rice will not be here beyond this year for sure.

[Clockwork Orange]

With that said, we can also remove Rice from the discussion entirely, because he won't be getting cut either.

Exactly what makes Rice untouchable?

[Bronco9798]

Exactly what makes Rice untouchable?

Shanny.

[orange crusher]

Shanny.

I don't think Rice will officially be "cut", but I think it is possible that he could announce his "retirement".

[Clockwork Orange]

Shanny.

If that's the case then it's a matter of sentimentality and that's a piss poor reason to cut youngsters who have outperformed Rice in the preseason.

Not to mention that both Adams and Devoe will play on special teams where Rice won't.

[ScottXray]

Adams made some good plays on kick returns tonight
Rice can't get separation anymore. He is the one to cut :alky: .

[Bronco9798]

If that's the case then it's a matter of sentimentality and that's a piss poor reason to cut youngsters who have outperformed Rice in the preseason.

Not to mention that both Adams and Devoe will play on special teams where Rice won't.

I agree. But you know Shanny won't cut Rice. It won't even be discussed and Watts is making his decision easier each week.

[Mastermind2002]

Exactly what makes Rice untouchable?

I would say the insurance factor. We know Rice can catch the ball consistently, Watts hasn't proven that yet. If Watts doesn't come around with his catching then you can fall back on Rice as your 3rd down possession receiver or other situations when you need a big catch from that spot. If Watts was catching everything in sight then I would be all for cutting Rice, but not right now.

[orange crusher]

I would say the insurance factor. We know Rice can catch the ball consistently, Watts hasn't proven that yet. If Watts doesn't come around with his catching then you can fall back on Rice as your 3rd down possession receiver or other situations when you need a big catch from that spot. If Watts was catching everything in sight then I would be all for cutting Rice, but not right now.

Seattle had two starters that dropped a LOT of balls and Rice couldn't beat them out. If Watts continues to drop balls, give Adams and/or Devoe a chance to be #3.

[Clockwork Orange]

I would say the insurance factor. We know Rice can catch the ball consistently, Watts hasn't proven that yet. If Watts doesn't come around with his catching then you can fall back on Rice as your 3rd down possession receiver or other situations when you need a big catch from that spot. If Watts was catching everything in sight then I would be all for cutting Rice, but not right now.

He can still catch the ball, but he hasn't shown the ability to get any separation from corners or the ability to get open on anything but an 8 yard stop route.

I'd like to see Devoe get some more reps with the 2nd team. Thus far in the preseason he's got 3 catches for 134 yards.

[labronco]

why would we cut adams and devoe? all they did was making big plays on special teams and offense. rice made the plays on few that were called for him. watts is having hellish preseason. he absolutely lost confidence. if the preseason is what we evaluate players for the regular season, and we have to cut one out of these four, it's gotta be watts, as crazy as it sounds. he has had so many chances, while other players are taking advantages on whatever is left over. but we keep at least five WR's, don't we?

[Mastermind2002]

Seattle had two starters that dropped a LOT of balls and Rice couldn't beat them out.

Rice is not a 1st or 2nd receiver anymore (because of the lack of speed) so realistically he wasn't going to beat them out. My point is I believe he would fit in well as a possession receiver in the 3rd receiver spot.

If Watts continues to drop balls, give Adams and/or Devoe a chance to be #3.

I'm all for that as well. I would like to see Shanahan mix in all four (Watts, Adams, Devoe, Rice) at that spot with the 1st team and let's see who makes plays and who doesn't. Let's experiment.

[orange crusher]

why would we cut adams and devoe? all they did was making big plays on special teams and offense. rice made the plays on few that were called for him. watts is having hellish preseason. he absolutely lost confidence. if the preseason is what we evaluate players for the regular season, and we have to cut one out of these four, it's gotta be watts, as crazy as it sounds. he has had so many chances, while other players are taking advantages on whatever is left over. but we keep at least five WR's, don't we?

If they cut a 23 year old Watts for a 41 year old Rice, I think I will go insane (while I'm throwing up all over myself). A lot of young players have trouble with dropped passes. Darius seems to have everying else that the great ones have.

[Mastermind2002]

He can still catch the ball, but he hasn't shown the ability to get any separation from corners or the ability to get open on anything but an 8 yard stop route.

As a possession receiver he's going to be running shorter routes somewhere in the 8 to 10 yard range. When it's 3rd and 5 and you need that 3rd receiver to make a catch, Rice can give you that.

I'd like to see Devoe get some more reps with the 2nd team. Thus far in the preseason he's got 3 catches for 134 yards.

I want that as well. I would like to see if Devoe or Adams get more reps.

[Mastermind2002]

If they cut a 23 year old Watts for a 41 year old Rice, I think I will go insane (while I'm throwing up all over myself). A lot of young players have trouble with dropped passes. Darius seems to have everying else that the great ones have.

I'm not in favor of cutting Watts, but would like the Broncos to keep Rice for insurance until Watts can prove he can catch the ball consistently or if Devoe/Adams can prove they can be consistent if put at the 4th receiver spot, then we can cut Rice.

[Crushaholic]

Rice already said this would be his last year. It makes sense to keep him for this year and then use the Redskins #1 pick next year to draft a WR who can catch passes.

[TheReverend]

Out of these three recievers Watts, Adams, or Devoe who do you feel would get cut? Maybe Shanahan keeps all three.

Adams, Crenshaw and BJ Johnson... no questions asked.

[TheReverend]

Rice already said this would be his last year. It makes sense to keep him for this year and then use the Redskins #1 pick next year to draft a WR who can catch passes.

Ho please! Future looks good even if Rod retires. Ash already takes the double team and Watts gets seperation like its cool. Lets see if DeVoe can play well for a season and consider throwing him in the slot.

Our #1s should go on T then S respectively. G with our #2.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Barring injuries, Devoe and Adams will both be history

[DivineLegion]

Devoe of the three.

Your insane!

[DivineLegion]

I think we keep all three theres nothing wrong with keeping 5 Wrs.

[Arkie]

I believe in fielding the best team to help us win it all this year. Watts may move ahead of Devoe and even Rice. He proved last year he was an above average rookie, so I know his rising drops are mental.

1. Smith
2. Lelie
3. Rice/Devoe
4. Devoe/Rice
5. Watts

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Devoe makes plays... Save for Smith and Lelie, Todd Devoe is the last guy I would cut... the rest can get in line...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Devoe makes plays... Save for Smith and Lelie, Todd Devoe is the last guy I would cut... the rest can get in line...

But he has dropped more balls in practice than any other receiver. Don't get me wrong, I love his story, but I am not convinced yet that he is one of the 5 best receivers on the roster. I also would not be real surprised if the Broncs signed a late cut vet from another team.

[broncohaven]

Barring injuries, Devoe and Adams will both be historyDead wrong. Devoe and Adams have both made th team.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Dead wrong. Devoe and Adams have both made th team.

We'll see.

[labronco]

We'll see.

not to get off the topic, your avatar is way cool.

[Hogan11]

Shanny.

And the merch dept. Those #19 jerseys are selling just like the #20 ones are......when's the last time you've seen anyone get cut when their jersey sales are high? Ha!

[Breck Bronc]

And the merch dept. Those #19 jerseys are selling just like the #20 ones are......when's the last time you've seen anyone get cut when their jersey sales are high? Ha!Bowlen doesn't need Rice or Clarret to sell jerseys now that #11 is selling like hotcakes.

[maven]

Cut the Goat!

[Hogan11]

Bowlen doesn't need Rice or Clarret to sell jerseys now that #11 is selling like hotcakes.

....and, believe it or not, I have one!

It's got my own name on it, but it's #11 just the same.

[Breck Bronc]

....and, believe it or not, I have one!

It's got my own name on it, but it's #11 just the same.I think Van Pelt will be the more popular last name on #11 Bronco jerseys than yours, but that's just a guess. ;)

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I guess I'm the only one that saw progress out of Watts. I still think he'll be good. Remember how many dropped balls Lelie had last preseason? Remember how looked in the regular season? Yeah...
I don't remember Lelie dropping anywhere close to this many balls.
Watts has a problem and it's his hands (whether the real problem is mental or physical remains to be seen).

[Arkie]

Last year at this time, Watts was a completely different story. The Rook piled up the 3rd most receiving yards in the league last preseason. Some of us (not me) had him ahead of Lelie. It has to be mental.

[TotallyScrewed]

IMO, Watts has made the team. I think all of his issues are mental and fixable.

If Devoe keeps making playing in games, it won't matter (much) how he's doing in the practices.

Adams is making a strong push on special teams.

It looks like a difficult decision lays ahead. I wish I could say the same for backup O-line.

[Old Dude]

I would cut Adams. He made a couple nice returns, but that's why we drafted Williams and there is no way that we will abandon that project so soon.

In terms of pure receiving skills, Davoe and Rice are better, and Watts runs far better routes (if he can just get over the dropsies)

But this is just based on what I've seen in two preseason games so far. Camp and practice performances could say something different.

[Arkie]

I would cut Adams. He made a couple nice returns, but that's why we drafted Williams and there is no way that we will abandon that project so soon.

In terms of pure receiving skills, Davoe and Rice are better, and Watts runs far better routes (if he can just get over the dropsies)

But this is just based on what I've seen in two preseason games so far. Camp and practice performances could say something different.

what he said...

Plus, Shanny knows what Rice can do. I heard Rice had a good training camp. We'll probably keep a couple of the young WRs on the practice squad. Rice may get into coaching after he retires. He's always trying to improve, and I think he will as a teacher too. This will help the entire squad.

[Play2win]

Well Adams always seems to have the knack as being one of the last few cuts before regular season. I think he will be there again, one of the last few painful cuts, but he will get cut.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

not to get off the topic, your avatar is way cool.


Thanks - Its Mt Princeton from the Arkansas Valley, but not my picture.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Well Adams always seems to have the knack as being one of the last few cuts before regular season. I think he will be there again, one of the last few painful cuts, but he will get cut.


I agree. He will be at the park across the street from Dove Valley with Jarious Jackson in case of a mid season injury.

Devoe, Luke and Adams are not eleigible for the practice squad. I do think there will be 2 receivers on the PS. Crenshaw and Johnson are in camp and eligible.

I would be amazed to see Broncs carry more than 5 receivers this year with the other needs. Baring injury Locks are Smith, Lelie, Rice and Watts. Luke, Adams and Devoe fighting for one spot. I'll take Luke due to speed, decent hands and special teams.

[Atlas]

Out of these three recievers Watts, Adams, or Devoe who do you feel would get cut? Maybe Shanahan keeps all three.

Is it possible that Shanny could keep 6 WRs and 3 kickers???

I think Denver has to keep Adams and Devoe meaning Denver has to cut either Rice or Watts or keep them both and have 6WRs

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

If they keep six WRs they can only keep 3 TEs including Leach if he is their long snapper. Can't have that if the 2 TE set is going to be used frequently.

[Atlas]

Devoe makes plays... Save for Smith and Lelie, Todd Devoe is the last guy I would cut... the rest can get in line...

No way does Shanny cut Devoe. He reminds me of Rod Smith. Rod dropped his fair share of passes like Devoe but you can't ignore his playmaking ability.

[Rock Chalk]

Devoe makes plays... Save for Smith and Lelie, Todd Devoe is the last guy I would cut... the rest can get in line...
I liked the one play I saw Devoe make, but lets not exaggerate anything. One, the tackler just missed the tackle, that should not have been a "play". Two, thats all he has done in any actual game action that I can remember.

I doubt we cut any of them to be honest though.

[Atlas]

I liked the one play I saw Devoe make, but lets not exaggerate anything. One, the tackler just missed the tackle, that should not have been a "play". Two, thats all he has done in any actual game action that I can remember.

I doubt we cut any of them to be honest though.

He has been making these grabs all camp. Last week he had a 92 yard TD reception and this week he has two big grabs. He is a playmaker and a deep threat. He has made 3 more big plays than either Watts or Rice this year.

[Rock Chalk]

He has been making these grabs all camp. Last week he had a 92 yard TD reception and this week he has two big grabs. He is a playmaker and a deep threat. He has made 3 more big plays than either Watts or Rice this year.
Keyword here is "camp". Last weeks 92 yard TD reception was the one I was referring to and it shouldnt have been a TD. Poor tackling is what caused that, not because he is just a baller. Dont exaggerate.

He has made 0 big plays in games that count. Watts may have the dropsies, but he has made actual NFL catches against #1 and #2 CBs. He wasn't playing against 5th and 6th string CBs that probably wont be on the roster come opening weekend.

He is not a playmaker, not yet. Devoe needs time, like pretty much every WR that comes to the NFL save VERY few exceptions. I like the kid, I think he has a lot of potential, all I am saying is lets not blow things out of proportion.

[Atlas]

Keyword here is "camp". Last weeks 92 yard TD reception was the one I was referring to and it shouldnt have been a TD. Poor tackling is what caused that, not because he is just a baller. Dont exaggerate.

He has made 0 big plays in games that count. Watts may have the dropsies, but he has made actual NFL catches against #1 and #2 CBs. He wasn't playing against 5th and 6th string CBs that probably wont be on the roster come opening weekend.

He is not a playmaker, not yet. Devoe needs time, like pretty much every WR that comes to the NFL save VERY few exceptions. I like the kid, I think he has a lot of potential, all I am saying is lets not blow things out of proportion.

Right now at this moment he is better than both Watts and Rice

[Rock Chalk]

Right now at this moment he is better than both Watts and Rice
You are a moron. Better than Rice, maybe. Better than Watts? Take his dick out of your ass for a moment so you can see clearly.

[watermock]

Mark Jackson was as fast as a Sloth with constipation, but he had a resteraunt/bar at the corner of Littleton and Santa Fe that had a trophy case packed with game balls and player of the week stuff. He's a good guy.

Watts isn't going anywhere. Smith, Lelie, Watts DEVO and Adams make it I think. Jackson makes it at TE.

[Atlas]

You are a moron. Better than Rice, maybe. Better than Watts? Take his dick out of your ass for a moment so you can see clearly.

Your the moron. Typical Texan. Watts has dropped 5 passes in two games including a TD pass. He has continually dropped passes throughout camp and he dropped a ton of passes last year. He has a bad right arm with little feeling or sensation and he can't catch the ball. He doesn't make big plays and he has been outperformed by both Adams and Devoe in camp and in the first two preseason games, The only reason this is a controversy is because Watts is a second round pick. If he was an undrafted free agent he would be buried at the bottom of the depth chart and would be in the first round of cuts.

[broncogary]

Mark Jackson was as fast as a Sloth with constipation, but he had a resteraunt/bar at the corner of Littleton and Santa Fe that had a trophy case packed with game balls and player of the week stuff. He's a good guy.

Watts isn't going anywhere. Smith, Lelie, Watts DEVO and Adams make it I think. Jackson makes it at TE.

I agree with mock. :parrot:

[Husky Jerk]

Wasn't Lelie's nickname "coconut hands" or something for his first two seasons? I remember alot of bitching about him not catching balls. Can't write off Watts yet. Rice or Adams should go. Adams has done nothing in his 2 or 3 years (don't remember). He hasn't made a single catch when they count and hasn't beat Smith out of the PR job even though if he was just adequate the job was his. I'm sure Shanny doesn't like Rod out there anymore than we do. Rice can catch, but can't get open anymore unless we tie his defenders shoes together. Both will probably (hopefully) be irrelevant this year anyways.

[OrangeShadow]

i agree with rice

[elsid13]

Rice not getting catches is not a big deal at this point. Don't you think that Shanny and Kubes have an idea on how they will intergrate him into the gameplan effectively??

Adams is gone, good enough to have chance in league, not good enough to stick. Devoe might stay if they think he has the potential to move up the depth chart.

No love for T Luke uh?

[baja]

In the words of Mock, " Sit down and shut the F up." watts will not get cut, no way no how. We will keep two of three, Rice, Devoe or Adams. We will cut the one that least helps the team, if Adams and Devoe are "All that" than it's see ya jerry. Simple really!

[Bronco9798]

In the words of Mock, " Sit down and shut the F up." watts will not get cut, no way no how. We will keep two of three, Rice, Devoe or Adams. We will cut the one that least helps the team, if Adams and Devoe are "All that" than it's see ya jerry. Simple really!

It's a shame to pick between two guys with potential, talent, and years left and keep a 42 year old who is gone after this year.

Just brilliant!!!!!!

[baja]

It's a shame to pick between two guys with potential, talent, and years left and keep a 42 year old who is gone after this year.

Just brilliant!!!!!!

If Shanahan believes what you think about the youngsters than Rice will retire . Shanny said from the begining Rice has to make the team just like everyone else does.

[elsid13]

It's a shame to pick between two guys with potential, talent, and years left and keep a 42 year old who is gone after this year.

Just brilliant!!!!!!


The key word in your statement is potential. There always guys out there with magic "P" word, in Rice we know can he can do it. This what suck about having decent depth, we release someone that fans like.

[TheDave]

If i cut MoC can i keep all 3???

[baja]

If i cut MoC can i keep all 3???

What's that sticky stuff in your hair?

[TheDave]

Nick was getting wild that night... Could be "man seed" for all we know...

[rbackfactory80]

You know what is weird? I was just watching a commercial for the nfl sunday ticket and one of the plays they show is darius watts making an extremely athletic move and leaping for the ball and it bounces right off his hands. This kid is a tremendous athlete and does many things right such as being natural at getting separation but he really has hands that are a problem. With everything he hears and is said about his hands this is becomming both a physical and mental problem. I just can imagine the kid goes home from practice turns on direct tv and sees this commercial. Unbelievable.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

The catches that Devoe has been making have been against the 3rd and 4th string. Nice story, but he is history

[Play2win]

What's that sticky stuff in your hair?
Didn't you ever see "Something about Mary"

[rbackfactory80]

The catches that Devoe has been making have been against the 3rd and 4th string. Nice story, but he is history

I agree, watts will be around opening day.

[Atlas]

I also agree Watts will be here on opening day. He is a second round draft pick!! That doesn't mean he hasn't been outplaye(he has) and that doesn't mean he has played well(He hasn't).

[baja]

Nick was getting wild that night... Could be "man seed" for all we know...

Good friend of mine is Nick's driver/bodyguard. Guy by the name of Big John. Lives with Nick at his Malabu (sp) estate.

[baja]

Didn't you ever see "Something about Mary"

LMAO that was one funny scene

[listopencil]

Jesus, this thread is nuts. Smith himself spent time on the practice squad and had trouble with his hands early on. Lelie had trouble up until last year, as a matter of fact people here were screaming "Bust!" all last off-season and bitching about a lost draft pick. Watts has the speed, quicknes and game smarts to get it done. He'll work on his hands just like the others did. By the way, I'll use numbers here to indicate how often they're on the field even though the last time I checked the Broncos use letter designations (X,Y,Z) to denote the WR's position responsibilities. I'm thinking:

1) Smith
2) Lelie
3) Watts
4) Rice
5) and maybe 6) will be whoever wins the battles before opening day. Special Teams work would help at these spots.

Another one or two guys could make the PS. Just my opinion.

[Cito Pelon]

Whatever Rice is doing in practice sure must be impressive. Watts is a keeper, he isn't getting cut this year.

[broncohaven]

I liked the one play I saw Devoe make, but lets not exaggerate anything. One, the tackler just missed the tackle, that should not have been a "play". Two, thats all he has done in any actual game action that I can remember.

I doubt we cut any of them to be honest though.
You just defined what a playmaker is Alec. Making a play when it should not have been there.

[broncohaven]

I agree. He will be at the park across the street from Dove Valley with Jarious Jackson in case of a mid season injury.

Devoe, Luke and Adams are not eleigible for the practice squad. I do think there will be 2 receivers on the PS. Crenshaw and Johnson are in camp and eligible.

I would be amazed to see Broncs carry more than 5 receivers this year with the other needs. Baring injury Locks are Smith, Lelie, Rice and Watts. Luke, Adams and Devoe fighting for one spot. I'll take Luke due to speed, decent hands and special teams.
You want to keep Luke based on the fact that he's fast and can play special teams? When was the last time Luke made a play? Devoe takes one 92 yards, and Adams has punt returns of 39 and 29 yards and you want to keep Luke because he's fast? I give up.

Luke shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread unless we're talking about which team he'll end up with after we cut him.

[footstepsfrom#27]

If they keep six WRs they can only keep 3 TEs including Leach if he is their long snapper. Can't have that if the 2 TE set is going to be used frequently.
Jackson has a history of injuries that make him questionable for reliability and he can't block. Both Putz and Alexander can catch and stretch the defense...Leach even looked good catching the ball recently. I'd keep 6 wr's or cut Rice. No way Shanny cuts Watts on the basis of what is a temporary fixable problem that's mental. Outside of Lelie, Luke is the only one with speed to stretch the defense, plus he can return KO's, which I'd just as soon not see D. Willilams having to do if he's the nickle corner. Punts, yes...KO's no. Rice can run the short undeneath routes but Devoe and Adams can also and why not give them the pt? Rice's chief contribution is as an on-field coach, but according to what some have said, he's not willing to do that much. Rod is the best example we could ask for there and he exhibits the work ethic these young guys need to see, plus he comes from a free agent background so he's an inspiration to guys like Devoe and Adams. Will Shanny cut Rice? He'll cut anyone if they don't perform, but more likely Rice would "retire". Devoe and Adams have both proved they belong. Keep 6 or let Jerry retire.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

You want to keep Luke based on the fact that he's fast and can play special teams? When was the last time Luke made a play? Devoe takes one 92 yards, and Adams has punt returns of 39 and 29 yards and you want to keep Luke because he's fast? I give up.

Luke shouldn't even be mentioned in this thread unless we're talking about which team he'll end up with after we cut him.

Luke played well at the end of last season and the Broncs know what they have in him, so his playing time has been very limited in the two preseason games. They want to see what Devoe and Adams do in a game situation. I suspect you will see more of Luke this week. Devoe and Adams plays have been against 3rd and 4th string players. Devoe's 92 yard play happened because the corner fell down and the 4th string safety was slower than molasses. Broncs have already cut Adams three times. Unless Rice goes or there is an injury, those three are fighting for one spot. We'll see what happens in the next couple of weeks.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Luke played in an Alabama offense that wasn't exactly WR friendly but has the potetial to be a viable deep threat. He's got upside that needs to be on the field in order to see him improve. He had a 5 catch game last year during the only extended play he got. Luke also ran the fastest time in the NFL combine in 2004. Speed kills. You try to keep speed if you possibly can. Whoever makes up the bottom of the depth chart at 4-5-6 won't play WR unless there's an injury, so at this point the edge has to go to Adams and Luke for special teams ability. Devoe's shown enough to make me think he could be the next Rod Smith type FA guy. What does Rice provide? Everything he does on the field can be done by other guys and the mentoring factor can be handled by Rod Smith.

[fontaine]

Smith, Lelie, Watts, Rice, Luke stay.

It'll come down between Devoe and Adams. Both might be cut if we keep five WRs, but if we keep one it'll be Adams because he can play ST and Devoe can't.

[Play2win]

Who's the fastest between Ash, Watts and Luke?

[DB-Freak]

Who's the fastest between Ash, Watts and Luke?
Between Luke and Ash, I would say Luke might edge ash out by a little.

[Play2win]

Adams has been good at making it TO the last cut. I think he'll, again make it to the last cut, but again, he wont make the 53...

[Play2win]

Between Luke and Ash, I would say Luke might edge ash out by a little.
You know what has just struck me, is the overall speed of this team. Its World-Class. At every position (for the position). Name another team that has as much speed as we do. Or at any position as we do. If speed kills, Denver's got a License to Kill this year.

[DivineLegion]

You know what has just struck me, is the overall speed of this team. Its World-Class. At every position (for the position). Name another team that has as much speed as we do. Or at any position as we do. If speed kills, Denver's got a License to Kill this year.

We have the slowest Safteys in the Leauge...and thats about it.

[DB-Freak]

You know what has just struck me, is the overall speed of this team. Its World-Class. At every position (for the position). Name another team that has as much speed as we do. Or at any position as we do. If speed kills, Denver's got a License to Kill this year.
Alot of speed and athleticism and not a lot of production.

YOu know I've been curious since Camp.
I wonder if Watts caught that ball in the avatar.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Between Luke and Ash, I would say Luke might edge ash out by a little.
They're about equal. I think Luke ran a 4.3 and Lelie has run 4.29...about a half step edge. What we really need IMO is a 6'4" 220 pound 4.5 guy who can take over for Rod in another year or so. If we don't get a franchise QB or a stud OL guy with that Skins pick, I'd like to see that be the priority there.

[DB-Freak]

They're about equal. I think Luke ran a 4.3 and Lelie has run 4.29...about a half step edge. What we really need IMO is a 6'4" 220 pound 4.5 guy who can take over for Rod in another year or so. If we don't get a franchise QB or a stud OL guy with that Skins pick, I'd like to see that be the priority there.
Hmmm I was thinking about Chris Cole for a second.

I know Chris Cole was faster than Ash by alittle.