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Bronco_Beerslug
08-18-2005, 04:17 PM
Looks like republican lawmakers up for vote next year are going to have to distance themselves from Bush and his Iraq grudge match and his friend to big oil policy if they want to keep their jobs.

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By Alan Elsner Thu Aug 18,11:16 AM ET

BROKEN BOW, Nebraska (Reuters) - In the solidly Republican state of Nebraska, voters are expressing deep anxiety about rising gasoline prices and the war in Iraq, a possible early warning sign for
President George W. Bush in one of his most reliable strongholds.

When Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel (news, bio, voting record) traveled around his home state this week, citizens at every stop brought up Iraq policy and the inexorable rise in fuel prices.

"Is there anything the United States can do to get some stability in crude oil prices in the world, because it affects everything we do?" Larry Ahlers, a manager at medical device manufacturer Becton and Dickinson in Broken Bow, asked Hagel in one of dozens of such encounters.

Hagel, a possible Republican presidential candidate in 2008, responded that gasoline prices were likely to stay high for the foreseeable future because of rising world demand and the U.S. failure to develop new energy sources and conserve.

Earlier the same day in Lincoln, an elderly woman asked about Iraq. "Why are we there in the first place?" she asked.

On Tuesday in the central Nebraska town of Lexington, after a meeting with law enforcement officials on drug problems, three sheriffs expressed serious doubts about what the United States was doing in Iraq and whether it could succeed.

Hagel, a Vietnam veteran, acknowledged the U.S. military presence was becoming harder and harder to justify. He believes Iraq faces a serious danger of civil war that would threaten Middle East stability, and said there is little Washington can do to avert this.

"We are seen as occupiers, we are targets. We have got to get out. I don't think we can sustain our current policy, nor do I think we should," he said at one stop.

UNCERTAINTY, NOT PANIC

In an interview, Hagel said uncertainties over Iraq and oil prices fed off and reinforced each other.

"The mood is one of a certain sense of unsteadiness," he said. "I have sensed that since September 11, 2001. Our people have still not found an equilibrium and when you get these shocks, like gasoline at $2.50 a gallon and projecting natural gas costs doubling and tripling from what they paid last year, that further shakes them."

"I don't think there's panic, I don't think there's cynicism. I think there's this steady unsure sense about where is this all leading -- the constant daily reports on Iraq, our people being killed there, the money being spent there," he added.

Nebraska has been a solid Republican state in presidential elections for decades. Republicans dominate state politics and hold most elective offices.

But Hagel said even some who had previously backed Bush strongly on Iraq now felt deep unease.

"The feeling that I get back here, looking in the eyes of real people, where I knew where they were two years ago or a year ago -- they've changed," he said. "These aren't people who ebb and flow on issues. These are rock solid, conservative Republicans who love their country, support the troops and support the president."

Hagel said Bush faced a growing credibility gap. "The expectations that the president and his administration presented to the American people 2 1/2 years ago is not what the reality is today. That's presented the biggest credibility gap problem he's got," he said.

"I hope he has some sense that something's going on out in the country, that there's a lack of confidence that has developed in our position."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050818/ts_nm/iraq_heartland_dc

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-19-2005, 03:34 AM
Looks like republican lawmakers up for vote next year are going to have to distance themselves from Bush and his Iraq grudge match and his friend to big oil policy if they want to keep their jobs.

The inevitable reaction to an extremist like Dim Son who has pushed the country WAY too far to the right.

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Bronco_Beerslug
08-19-2005, 06:38 AM
Hagel: Iraq growing more like Vietnam
Republican Senator says Bush should meet with protesting mom

Thursday, August 18, 2005; Posted: 11:35 p.m. EDT (03:35 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska on Thursday said the United States is "getting more and more bogged down" in Iraq and stood by his comments that the White House is disconnected from reality and losing the war.

The longer U.S. forces remain in Iraq, he said, the more it begins to resemble the Vietnam war.

Hagel mocked Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion in June that the insurgency in Iraq was in its "last throes," saying the U.S. death toll has risen amid insurgent attacks.

"Maybe the vice president can explain the increase in casualties we're taking," the Nebraskan told CNN.

"If that's winning, then he's got a different definition of winning than I do."

On Thursday, Cheney told a veterans group that "Iraq is a critical front in the war on terror, and victory there is critical to the future security of the U.S."

"Every man and woman who fights and sacrifices in this war is serving a just and noble cause," Cheney told the 73rd National Convention of the Military Order of the Purple Heart in Springfield, Missouri.

Hagel, an Army infantry squad leader during the Vietnam war, sits on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and supported the October 2002 resolution authorizing military action against Iraq.

But he said the United States risks losing more public support for the conflict amid a rising cost in blood and money.

"The casualties we're taking, the billion dollars a week we're putting in there, the kind of commitment we've got -- we're not going to be able to sustain it," he said.

Iraq and Vietnam still have more differences than similarities, he said, but "there is a parallel emerging."

"The longer we stay in Iraq, the more similarities will start to develop, meaning essentially that we are getting more and more bogged down, taking more and more casualties, more and more heated dissension and debate in the United States," Hagel said.

Hagel also did not back away from comments he made in June to U.S. News & World Report that "the White House is completely disconnected from reality" and "the reality is that we're losing in Iraq."

"It gives me no great pleasure to have said that and to say that now," he said Thursday.

He said the U.S. death toll has continued to rise "at a very significant rate -- more dead, more wounded, less electricity in Iraq, less oil being pumped in Iraq, more insurgent attacks, more insurgents coming across the border, more corruption in the government."

A total of 1,861 American troops have died in the war since the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003, including four who were killed Thursday by a roadside bomb in Samarra. (Full story)

Cheney said in June that the insurgency is "in the last throes," and he predicted that the fighting will end before the Bush administration leaves office. (Full story)

In the CNN interview Thursday, Hagel mentioned Cheney's comments about the insurgency and quickly added, "The facts speak for themselves."

Hagel did say he agrees with President Bush that the United States should not set a timetable for troop withdrawal, but he also predicted the United States would begin "withdrawing troops from Iraq next year."

"I don't like time frames because it gives the president no flexibility, and I think you always must have flexibility in these things and a judgment call by the president," he said.

Ultimately, he said, it's up to the Iraqis to control their nation's fate.

"That means they are either going to have to be in a position sometime next year to really step up in governing themselves, defending themselves, supporting themselves, or we can't continue to stay there indefinitely," Hagel said.

The next six months will be "very critical" in Iraq, he said.

"Not just the constitution writing, referendum, the election -- but also within that six months' period we're going to see whether the Iraqis are really going to be capable of defending themselves," he said.

On another Iraq-related issue, Hagel said Bush made the wrong decision by not meeting again with Cindy Sheehan, a mother of a U.S. soldier killed in Iraq who has camped outside the president's Texas ranch. (Full story)

Sheehan "deserves some consideration, and I think that should have been done right from the beginning," Hagel said, noting that Bush did meet with her shortly after her son's death last year.

"I think the wise course of action, the compassionate course of action, the better course of action would have been to immediately invite her in to the ranch. It should have been done when this whole thing started. Listen to her."
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/18/hagel.iraq/index.html?section=cnn_latest

W*GS
08-19-2005, 09:26 AM
The inevitable reaction to an extremist like Dim Son who has pushed the country WAY too far to the right.

Sorta like the reaction to Clinton's first two years, when he attempted to push the country too far to the left. The Democrats got totally creamed in the '94 elections.

Of course, LABF will claim it was all electoral fraud, but we know better.

bendog
08-19-2005, 10:16 AM
94 was the NRA targeting the house.

But conversely, I don't thing bushii's cluster****S will cost the gop the senate and certainly not the House in 06. Now 08 .... I dunno. It appears bushii will be forced by the gop congress to pull the plug on Iraq before the 06 elections, though we may have more of a cosmetic "draw down," but no gop candidate will do well running with Iraq as a legacy, so unless against all odds some Federalist Iraq emerges with happy natives I'm not sure what the gop can run on.

Hogan11
08-19-2005, 01:35 PM
Sorta like the reaction to Clinton's first two years, when he attempted to push the country too far to the left. The Democrats got totally creamed in the '94 elections.

As a result, They were replaced by a troop of guys that came up with the "Contract On America" which tried to push the country too far to the right.......they were quickly dismissed by the public in '96.

So it goes around circles......same as it ever was.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-21-2005, 04:04 PM
Oil Prices Put Economy Under Pressure

The rising cost of gasoline and fuel are finally starting to affect the overall economy. Inflation picked up last month, and consumer spending is falling off. Most analysts think the full impact will not be felt until this winter.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/17/business/17oil.html

Response from the morons who defend Team Smirk & Sneer:

"Thank you sir - may I have another?"

W*GS
08-21-2005, 09:12 PM
As a result, They were replaced by a troop of guys that came up with the "Contract On America" which tried to push the country too far to the right.......they were quickly dismissed by the public in '96.

Actually, considering that Congress is still in the hands of the GOP, they haven't been "punished" as much since '94 as Clinton was.

Of course, "real" liberals and "progressives" thought Clinton was merely GOP-lite.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-23-2005, 08:27 PM
The Oil Effect

With most other prices relatively tame, consumers could weather the energy squeeze if they had a cushion. They don't.

August 20, 2005

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/20/opinion/20sat2.html?th&emc=th

Just when it was starting to seem as if consumers were really shaking off high energy prices, Wal-Mart announced this week that its profits stumbled in the second quarter, rising at their slowest rate in four years. Forced to choose between their closets and their gasoline tanks, Americans unsurprisingly chose their tanks. Wal-Mart warned that future sales would be curtailed as well, and no wonder: gasoline is now averaging $2.60 a gallon nationwide, nearly a 39 percent increase from last year. At the same time, natural gas prices are up 60 percent to 90 percent around the country, presaging steep home-heating bills in the months ahead on top of high prices at the pump.

With most other prices relatively tame, consumers could weather the energy squeeze if they had a cushion. They don't.

Wage gains for most Americans are barely keeping up with inflation. And according to a recent Commerce Department report, Americans, on average, are now saving nothing each month, so they obviously cannot pay higher energy bills by reducing the amount they save.

That leaves rising home values to cover growing energy costs. According to a recent report by John Makin, a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, the housing boom has offset the economic drag of higher oil prices by enabling homeowners to get cash through refinancing or selling at a profit, and by creating a "wealth effect": as their houses appreciate, homeowners feel rich and thus spend freely, even as they neglect to save.

Mr. Makin estimates that a mere leveling off of housing prices would be sufficient to remove the economic boost from real estate. That would slow consumer spending and, with it, the economy.

No one knows when that leveling off will occur. But homes are already becoming increasingly unaffordable, and refinancings are slowing down. There are early signs that banks are beginning to tighten their lending standards. And the Federal Reserve, which has been trying for more than a year to push up mortgage rates, will probably succeed in that endeavor at some point.
The pain that now seems imminent might have been avoided. Conservation could have reduced energy demand and prices, while properly targeted job growth and savings incentives - not tax cuts for the rich - could have built a stronger job recovery, helping to foster higher wages and new savings. Maybe next time around.

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The Bush/Cheney "solution?"

Another round of tax cuts for oil companies!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-24-2005, 04:20 PM
Wonder why gas prices are so high?

Check it out:

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/gasprices.html