Brett Favre Annoys the Hell out of Me.

[GonzoLays]

This guy is an attention whore. First he comes out with the "I'm addicted to pain killers" gig a couple of years ago and the media eats the hell out of it. Then for the past five years there is the drama on whether he is going to retire and plays it up like a seasoned pro. Why doesn't he just come out and say, "Yes, I am going to play next season, lets move on." No, it goes on all summer, his mother gets involved, his wife gets involved and the ongoing drama keeps living.

Now, not only did we have to live with the "is going to come back this season or not" storyline, he jumps in and throws Jevon Walker under the bus when he is dealing with management. That is like your co-worker at fred's dollar stores trying to get a raise from company headquarters and your fellow co-worker -- albiet he is the head cashier and has been working there for 17 years -- comes out publicly and says, "No, Eddie doesn't deserve a raise. I hope they don't give it to him." Who does that kind of sh*t?

And remember when he gave Strahan the sack record by calling a play at the end of game that was a bootleg that ran straight into Strahan? His offensive tackle, who shut down Strahan the whole game, wouldn't even speak to him after the game. He could not believe that Favre through him under the bus like that. Can you imagine the locker room leading up to the game and all his offensive line teammates telling that offensive tackle that he better not let Strahan get the sack record on him and HE DOES IT because he had pride, and then your QB gives him the sack? Great leader. Now that guy will be on every single NFL Film greatest moments and he really did shut Strahan down. Thats like a wide reciever catching a ball and then throwing to Dieon Sanders so he can set the NFL's all time INT record? You think Brett would be happy about that?

What about him publicly stating that he doesn't have to "mentor" Aaron Rodgers and nothing in his CONTRACT says he has to do that? What about helping the team Brett? Then in the interview he speaks in third person and says, "Aaron Rodgers can't do what Brett Favre does." He is really selfish.

FURTHERMORE, all this slap happy bs about talking smack with opposing defensive lineman and slapping them on the ass after they make a sack on him. Or trying to act tough and talking smack with opposing defensive lineman. Where was Favre when his buddy Warren Sapp knocked the living crap out of his offensive lineman Chad Clifton on a borderline legal play? No where to be found and he let his coach do the deed with Sapp. He is fake as hell, because I know at Southern Miss he didn't do any of that crap.

And finally, I hope he doesn't break the duke's record for wins. :pfbbt:

[Crushaholic]

And remember when he gave Strahan the sack record by calling a play at the end of game that was a bootleg that ran straight into Strahan? His offensive tackle, who shut down Strahan the whole game, wouldn't even speak to him after the game. He could not believe that Favre through him under the bus like that. Can you imagine the locker room leading up to the game and all his offensive line teammates telling that offensive tackle that he better not let Strahan get the sack record on him and HE DOES IT because he had pride, and then your QB gives him the sack? Great leader. Now that guy will be on every single NFL Film greatest moments and he really did shut Strahan down.

That was horrible, but I lost a lot of respect for Strahan by accepting the record that way. There should be an asterisk next to Strahan's name and the sack record until it's LEGITIMATELY won...

[orange 4 life]

This guy is an attention whore. First he comes out with the "I'm addicted to pain killers" gig a couple of years ago and the media eats the hell out of it. Then for the past five years there is the drama on whether he is going to retire and plays it up like a seasoned pro. Why doesn't he just come out and say, "Yes, I am going to play next season, lets move on." No, it goes on all summer, his mother gets involved, his wife gets involved and the ongoing drama keeps living.

Now, not only did we have to live with the "is going to come back this season or not" storyline, he jumps in and throws Jevon Walker under the bus when he is dealing with management. That is like your co-worker at fred's dollar stores trying to get a raise from company headquarters and your fellow co-worker -- albiet he is the head cashier and has been working there for 17 years -- comes out publicly and says, "No, Eddie doesn't deserve a raise. I hope they don't give it to him." Who does that kind of sh*t?

And remember when he gave Strahan the sack record by calling a play at the end of game that was a bootleg that ran straight into Strahan? His offensive tackle, who shut down Strahan the whole game, wouldn't even speak to him after the game. He could not believe that Favre through him under the bus like that. Can you imagine the locker room leading up to the game and all his offensive line teammates telling that offensive tackle that he better not let Strahan get the sack record on him and HE DOES IT because he had pride, and then your QB gives him the sack? Great leader. Now that guy will be on every single NFL Film greatest moments and he really did shut Strahan down. Thats like a wide reciever catching a ball and then throwing to Dieon Sanders so he can set the NFL's all time INT record? You think Brett would be happy about that?

What about him publicly stating that he doesn't have to "mentor" Aaron Rodgers and nothing in his CONTRACT says he has to do that? What about helping the team Brett? Then in the interview he speaks in third person and says, "Aaron Rodgers can't do what Brett Favre does." He is really selfish.

FURTHERMORE, all this slap happy bs about talking smack with opposing defensive lineman and slapping them on the ass after they make a sack on him. Or trying to act tough and talking smack with opposing defensive lineman. Where was Favre when his buddy Warren Sapp knocked the living crap out of his offensive lineman Chad Clifton on a borderline legal play? No where to be found and he let his coach do the deed with Sapp. He is fake as hell, because I know at Southern Miss he didn't do any of that crap.

And finally, I hope he doesn't break the duke's record for wins. :pfbbt:

favre modeled his game after elway, plays with the same vigor, always shows up on time every game and practice and never complains about money, and he's a great example of toughness and grit.....

......and you make some REALLY compelling points here.

i guess i never really thought about all those combined issues you mentioned.

i LIKED that he spoke out about jevon walker and honoring the contract you signed, but youre right that alot of the things all combined dont really wash.
only other comment with regards to walker is you must remember that favre didnt say "he doesnt deserve a raise", he just said "everyone should honor the contracts they signed."
asking for a raise is fine, but DEMANDING one and THREATENTING to get one is a different issue, and frankly i think it needs to stop.
personally, i think its great that at least one PLAYER in the league has the balls to speak out and say he doesnt agree with it.
on the other hand though i must MYSELF admit that it is alot easier for a brett favre (who has already made MILLIONS) to say that since he's so far into his career.
regardless, holding out and demanding a contract renegotiate is not the right way to do it, and i respect that he spoke out against it.

as for the other points you make, again, i think its some very valid points.
i had forgot the strahan incident, but that bothered me alot when it happened and it does again when you mention it. fact is, that guy was on the OTHER team, and taking a sack is chickensh!t to your OWN team and fans.
i also agree about the retirement issue.
elway did it his last year, but ONLY his last year, and elway was also 38.
favre really has milked that.

still, you do have to respect the mans toughness and desire to win.

jake

[-Slap-]

I count myself lucky to have witnessed Brett Favre's entire brilliant career.

[DomCasual]

Agreed on the Strahan issue and not wanting him to break the all-time wins record. I disagree on everything else, though. I like him. It's hard to fault the guy for being enthusiastic.

I hadn't heard the Aaron Rodgers thing.

I am sure he would rather the painkiller thing never got out.

I seem to remember the speculation about Elway coming back about every summer, too - starting in '91 when his issues with Reeves got ugly.

Anyway, everyone has an opinion, I guess.

Paul

[Hogan11]

All those points are true yes....but somehow Farve doesn't make my skin crawl like say Manning does.

I really can't explain why I'm so indifferent towards Farve.....but I am.

[Bronx33]

How do you hide your life from the media when they want to report everything about it,Farve is ok in my book......

[DomCasual]

And by the way - what about John Elway?

Spoiled baby wouldn't play where he was drafted. He apparently thought he was too big for the system that had been around since long before he was born.

Then he goes and can't win a big game until he finally gets a Hall of Fame caliber running back to help him win it.

Then he runs the winningest coach in franchise history out of town.

And who didn't get sick of all that crap with his divorce? Why can't he just keep that kind of stuff to himself? I don't want to hear about it.

And when he finally wins a Super Bowl, it's all about, "This ones for John!" What about everyone else on the team?

All that is basically true, and yet he is, by far, my favorite player of all time. I guess it's all in a person's perspective.

Paul

[ro_50]

I really didnt like how he let Strahan get the sack record. I dont mind him that much but the media does kiss his butt.

I love the intensity he plays w/, but he is irritating at times.

[Tombstone RJ]

I think one of the only reasons Favre is still playing is to surpass Elway's pass yardage total. And, that pisses me off.

The Packers stink. They are not a good team, yet Favre keeps playing because he "wants to win another championship...."

BS

He wants more records, period.

[Haroldthebarrel]

Do anybody know of a site where one could see the play where Favre gave Strahan the sack and the record?

[ludo21]

I really like how Strahan was nice enought o let Strahan get the record, but this is football, not niceball, i would absolutely be pissed if i was the OL who Favre made step aside.

Plus the painkiller story isnt the last time hes made this jump for media attention, also just a few days ago a story "leaked" where he might not have ever played caz of a bad hip. Yet another story of him trying to grab attention.

Any yet on top of it all, i still have the utmost respect for favre and really like him.

[Broncoman13]

It wasn't as BS as most people claim HTB... he rolled out and Strahan was right there... he went down rather than taking a hit. Was it an easy sack for Strahan...yes. Did Favre "give" it to him... not in a million years!

Favre is one of my favorite players of all time. If he says that he doesn't have to mentor Rodgers does that mean he's not going to? Is he lying when he says that Rodgers can't do the things that he can do?... NOPE! Champ Bailey refers to himself in the 3rd person...as do many professional athletes. The guy has overcome more than most. The obstacles in his life have been fierce and often and if you think he wanted people to constantly ask him about his wife's cancer, his father's death, and the ATV accident that killed his bro-in-law on his property...at every turn... you're crazy! Like Slap, I consider myself lucky to have watched him perform!

[GonzoLays]

I really like how Strahan was nice enought o let Strahan get the record, but this is football, not niceball, i would absolutely be pissed if i was the OL who Favre made step aside.

Plus the painkiller story isnt the last time hes made this jump for media attention, also just a few days ago a story "leaked" where he might not have ever played caz of a bad hip. Yet another story of him trying to grab attention.

Any yet on top of it all, i still have the utmost respect for favre and really like him.

And now for the rest of our days, we have to hear about him playing with a bad hip and how much he loves the game. Blah blah blah

[Hogan11]

They were talking about the mentoring thing during the MNF game and brought up Elway not mentoring Maddox when he was in Denver either. I guess Maddox made some comments about it or something.....

IMO, no big deal.

[GonzoLays]

It wasn't as BS as most people claim HTB... he rolled out and Strahan was right there... he went down rather than taking a hit. Was it an easy sack for Strahan...yes. Did Favre "give" it to him... not in a million years!

Favre is one of my favorite players of all time. If he says that he doesn't have to mentor Rodgers does that mean he's not going to? Is he lying when he says that Rodgers can't do the things that he can do?... NOPE! Champ Bailey refers to himself in the 3rd person...as do many professional athletes. The guy has overcome more than most. The obstacles in his life have been fierce and often and if you think he wanted people to constantly ask him about his wife's cancer, his father's death, and the ATV accident that killed his bro-in-law on his property...at every turn... you're crazy! Like Slap, I consider myself lucky to have watched him perform!

Take your Favre homer glasses off for one second will ya. Did you see the play? It was at the end of the game and Strahan does not have a sack. Favre calls a ROLLOUT, a ROLLOUT TOWARDS MICHAEL STRAHAN, the LEAGUE'S MOST DOMINANT DEFENSIVE END, and virtually gives him the sack AFTER his OT held him sackless the WHOLE GAME. And did you see the two after the game Hugging and laughing towards the players tunnel? Then he lies about it after the game and says he audibled, when the game was out of reach, for a bootleg towards Strahan. What? Please, use your common sense here.

[NaptownChief]

Favre hasn't gotten it done in the playoff is a big way the last several years but despite that he is my kind of guy. And I certianly don't see him as a media/attention hound. I stuggled with him during the years that Madden couldn't get Favres nuts off his chin but once that stopped I was able to judge him without bias and like the guy. Never liked the Packers but Favre is a guy I can't but help like and respect.

[watermock]

Jeezus...there are a hundred flavor clowns out there and Favre disgusts you? He's not an attention whore at all. He can't help it if Madden dreams of licking the sweat off his balls. Favre has never said he was a poster child. The media made him one. He's just a good ole boy Cajun from Louisiana, not Einstein.

[GonzoLays]

And by the way - what about John Elway?

Spoiled baby wouldn't play where he was drafted. He apparently thought he was too big for the system that had been around since long before he was born.

Then he goes and can't win a big game until he finally gets a Hall of Fame caliber running back to help him win it.

Then he runs the winningest coach in franchise history out of town.

And who didn't get sick of all that crap with his divorce? Why can't he just keep that kind of stuff to himself? I don't want to hear about it.

And when he finally wins a Super Bowl, it's all about, "This ones for John!" What about everyone else on the team?

All that is basically true, and yet he is, by far, my favorite player of all time. I guess it's all in a person's perspective.

Paul


You are way off in your comparisons here. I didn't see Elway doing 20/20 about his divorce like Favre did with pain killers episode. I never saw Elway openly state that he wished a teammate not get his contract redone. I never saw Elway give up a sack to an opposing teams player and show up his offensive lineman.

You are comparing apples and oranges here. You are WAAYY off in comparisons.

[-Slap-]

It wasn't as BS as most people claim HTB... he rolled out and Strahan was right there... he went down rather than taking a hit. Was it an easy sack for Strahan...yes. Did Favre "give" it to him... not in a million years!

Favre is one of my favorite players of all time. If he says that he doesn't have to mentor Rodgers does that mean he's not going to? Is he lying when he says that Rodgers can't do the things that he can do?... NOPE! Champ Bailey refers to himself in the 3rd person...as do many professional athletes. The guy has overcome more than most. The obstacles in his life have been fierce and often and if you think he wanted people to constantly ask him about his wife's cancer, his father's death, and the ATV accident that killed his bro-in-law on his property...at every turn... you're crazy! Like Slap, I consider myself lucky to have watched him perform!
I think he laid down, too. It was probably a spur of the moment decision and a really stupid one, but I'm sure he never expected the uproar. The entire Packer Oline was pissed off afterwards, but, being Olinemen, they pretty much swallowed it.

The funny part is sacks didn't become official NFL stats until 1982, so this is basically the most bull**** record in the book anyway.

Deacon Jones not only coined the term sack, but he racked up 26 in 1967 and 24 more in 1968. The Rams used to pay him by the sack and George Allen kept detailed statistics on everything.

http://www.autographedtoyou.com/celebpics/deacon_jones3.jpg

I like this part from an interview Shyster did with him last January:

Adam Schefter: Your New Year's resolution?

Deacon Jones: The same as my New Year's resolution every year has been. I'd like to kill all the quarterbacks in the NFL. That has been my New Year's resolution every year since 1961.

I guess Tagliafag would have to ban this guy for life if he tried to play today.

[DBroncos4life]

Farve will play 3 more years. I'm willing to bet he leaves the game with every record and something Marino doesn't have....A ring.

[-Slap-]

Farve will play 3 more years. I'm willing to bet he leaves the game with every record and something Marino doesn't have....A ring.
I think his consecutive game streak ends this year. That rebuilt Oline is going to get him jacked up.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Do anybody know of a site where one could see the play where Favre gave Strahan the sack and the record?
Just showed it tonight on Quite Frankly. Favre laid down, no doubt about it. Strahan almost admitted as much but said he was taking it anyway.


And by the way - what about John Elway?

Spoiled baby wouldn't play where he was drafted. He apparently thought he was too big for the system that had been around since long before he was born.
Smart enough to see what was happening to that franchise..excellent foresight!!

Then he goes and can't win a big game until he finally gets a Hall of Fame caliber running back to help him win it.
Typical ignorant remark usually slobbered by a raider fan or such.


Then he runs the winningest coach in franchise history out of town.
Again, excellent foresight!!!! One of the smartest QBs of all time!!!

And who didn't get sick of all that crap with his divorce? Why can't he just keep that kind of stuff to himself? I don't want to hear about it.
He never really said a word about it. so you didn't hear about it from him.

And when he finally wins a Super Bowl, it's all about, "This ones for John!" What about everyone else on the team?
They agreed, This ones for John!!!!!!!!!!!

[DBroncos4life]

I think his consecutive game streak ends this year. That rebuilt Oline is going to get him jacked up.



I can agree with that but over all I think he plays atleast 2 more years with an outside shot of 3.

[-Slap-]

Everybody knows Jack Elway made the call on the Baltimore thing. John took the heat, but that was dad's decision all the way.

[2KBack]

Farve will play 3 more years. I'm willing to bet he leaves the game with every record and something Marino doesn't have....A ring.

and over 250 ints, if he plays 3 more

[Sassy]

I like how Favre plays the game...he's fun to watch...Jake reminds me of him...but yeah...he used to annoy me...after SB 32 though...I got over it ;D He's been through a lot lately...

[-Slap-]

I like how Favre plays the game...he's fun to watch...Jake reminds me of him...but yeah...he used to annoy me...after SB 32 though...I got over it ;D He's been through a lot lately...
Exactly. How can you not love the guy who lost the first Super Bowl we ever won? Isn't it better that's he's one of the best who ever played? Would that game have been more special had we defeated Kerry Collins or some other stiff?

[gunns]

I think he laid down, too. It was probably a spur of the moment decision and a really stupid one, but I'm sure he never expected the uproar. The entire Packer Oline was pissed off afterwards, but, being Olinemen, they pretty much swallowed it.

The funny part is sacks didn't become official NFL stats until 1982, so this is basically the most bull**** record in the book anyway.

Deacon Jones not only coined the term sack, but he racked up 26 in 1967 and 24 more in 1968. The Rams used to pay him by the sack and George Allen kept detailed statistics on everything.

http://www.autographedtoyou.com/celebpics/deacon_jones3.jpg

I like this part from an interview Shyster did with him last January:



I guess Tagliafag would have to ban this guy for life if he tried to play today.

He sure would. I've always recognized Deacon as the sack king. I loved watching Jones come around and creaming a QB, him and Butkus who loved to come up the middle and "take the QB's head off".

[gunns]

Everybody knows Jack Elway made the call on the Baltimore thing. John took the heat, but that was dad's decision all the way.

Dad was absolutely right too.

[gunns]

Farve will play 3 more years. I'm willing to bet he leaves the game with every record and something Marino doesn't have....A ring.

I don't think he'll play 3 more years. They did not make the significant improvements they needed this year and Brett may be the one that pays for it.

[DBroncos4life]

I don't think he'll play 3 more years. They did not make the significant improvements they needed this year and Brett may be the one that pays for it.



I don't know he looks thinner and from what they say he is in the best shape in quite some time. He really isn't that old for a QB either. Also he hasn't been hurt too bad either. I just think he can go on and play three more years.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Exactly. How can you not love the guy who lost the first Super Bowl we ever won? Isn't it better that's he's one of the best who ever played? Would that game have been more special had we defeated Kerry Collins or some other stiff?
That part of it is great! He has been a great QB and has been fun to watch him play but I've grown tired of him (the media's golden boy) these days though. He hasn't been the same since Atwater creamed him in that game.
Still thinks he's the heavens gift to man and can get away with throwing it up for grabs.
He showed up 20lbs lighter this year so we'll see how long he lasts behind a really suspect line in GB.

[DomCasual]

Just showed it tonight on Quite Frankly. Favre laid down, no doubt about it. Strahan almost admitted as much but said he was taking it anyway.

The point on all the Elway stuff is that it's all about perspective. I said at the end that Elway is my favorite player, but all the things I mentioned are technically true. Just like all the things about Favre in the original post are technically true. At the end of the day, some people just don't like Elway, and they use the usual reasons for it.

I mean - mentioning the painkiller thing as a slam on Favre? Saying that he used it to get publicity? Come on! That's just stupid. It's like saying Michael Vick used the Ron Mexico thing just to get publicity. (Or that John and Janet got divorced for the publicity!) Why would anyone want that kind of publicity? The media reports what they report, and these guys have to live with it - good or bad. Divorces, drug habits, and even Ron Mexico are things that just happen in people's lives, but don't usually get reported. Blame the media, not the players, if you don't want to hear about them.

Favre and Elway have personalities that tend to polarize opinions - either you love them, or you hate them. In my opinion, they are both guys that want to win more than anything else. I respect that. Talking about either one of them as if they are some sort of pariahs just seems silly.

Paul

[Tredici]

I like how Favre plays the game...he's fun to watch...Jake reminds me of him...but yeah...he used to annoy me...after SB 32 though...I got over it ;D He's been through a lot lately...

That's pretty close to how I feel. I've never thought he was the 2nd Elway. More like the first Jake.

[Broncoman13]

One of my favorite QB/Football quotes came from Favre.

In an interview a couple years ago (w/ESPN, can't remember who exactly) he was asked who the best QB's were.

Elway, Unitas, Montana, Young, etc... he replied. He was then asked where do you fit in with that group... he responded by saying something along the lines of "I don't consider myself in that class. I'm no dummy though, I know that I'm pretty good at this game and if you're asking me who would I want in the game, down by 4 with 2:00 to go...then the answer is me".

He wasn't cocky, he wasn't arrogant, he was candid and actually seemed quite humble. Made several references to once he retires he just wants to go away and be left alone and be a ole country boy..... now how is that an attention "whore"???

[SoCalBronco]

hopefully this is his last year.

[Saulbadguy]

Brett Favre has never beaten the Chiefs, and he never will. :)

[KipCorrington25]

He is so overrated. Yeah, he did win a Super Bowl like 30 years ago but beyond that Green Bay has been fairly mediocre. Also, to be so brilliantly his career certainly lacks many of those quintessential great moments. It seems like his teams tend to generally choke in the playoffs or under achieve. Also, about 3 or 4 years ago in the play off loss to St. Louis he threw like 5 interceptions. That is not something a Bradshaw, Staubach, Unitas, Montana, Elway ever did.

Favre is just a media creation and all his toughing it out and playing hurt was more for his own glorification of his ego and actually hurt the team.

And why does every Green Bay game on TV have to have 95% of the talk revolve around Favre? Aren’t there like 50 some other guys on the team?

[Rock Chalk]

I count myself lucky to have witnessed Brett Favre's entire brilliant career.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to -Slap- again.

Sorry buddy, I dont pass rep around enough to get you again for this but I concur. Even though he is a Packer, Favre symbolizes everything I love about football. No QB can replace Elway as my favorite ever, but Favre is about as close to Elway as there is, bar none. If he break's the Duke's win record, it did it on his own merit and more than once he did it on his shoulder's alone...like the Duke. If someone is to break his win record, Id rather it be Favre than Manning.

[-Slap-]

He is so overrated. Yeah, he did win a Super Bowl like 30 years ago but beyond that Green Bay has been fairly mediocre. Also, to be so brilliantly his career certainly lacks many of those quintessential great moments. It seems like his teams tend to generally choke in the playoffs or under achieve. Also, about 3 or 4 years ago in the play off loss to St. Louis he threw like 5 interceptions. That is not something a Bradshaw, Staubach, Unitas, Montana, Elway ever did.

Hell, Bradshaw threw like three interceptions in a Super Bowl that Pittsburgh won.

[fontaine]

The Young Brett Favre was an excellent QB to watch, but he's been a shadow of his former self. He's thrown 14 interceptions in their last four playoff losses and looked lost and beat up out there.

It's like he believes all the media bs about him, but the fact is he hasn't played like Brett Favre for years.

[Garcia Bronco]

I respect Favre,.....the only thing that tweaks me is this 3 time MVP garbage...first off...it's really 2 1/2...and second....that Barry Sanders didn't get the knod alone ranks right up there with Jethro Tall beating out Metallica for best HM group in grammies 15 years ago.

Note: Jethro Tall hadn't put out an album in years at that point.

[Rascal]

I like Farve a lot and I would have loved to have him as a Bronco. The guy plays with passion and has a true love of the game. He is one of my favorite non-bronco players ever.

Regarding the lack of their performance in playoffs...I think that can be mostly attributed to the fact that the rest of his team sucks. Javon Walker should send him half his paycheck.

[fontaine]

Regarding the lack of their performance in playoffs...I think that can be mostly attributed to the fact that the rest of his team sucks. Javon Walker should send him half his paycheck.

So I guess, the rest of the team was stinking it up during the regular season as well to post good enough records to go into the playoffs four years straight?

ROFL, it must have been Brett carrying the football all along, posting multiple 1000 yard seasons instead of Ahman Breen, catching passes himself instead of Bubba Franks, Driver, and fending off mammoth DTs himself instead of his probowl OL?!

:kubiak:

Favre was a great QB, his problem is that he actually believes he's still a 26 year gunslinger who can beat teams with his arm alone. Elway learned that lesson and got two trophies for it. Meanwhile, Favre has been putting up playoff performances that would make Craig Morton laugh.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Favre was a great QB, his problem is that he actually believes he's still a 26 year gunslinger who can beat teams with his arm alone. Elway learned that lesson and it got two trophies for it. Meanwhile, Favre has been putting up playoff performances that would make Craig Morton laugh.

Yes sir! I been saying this for a long time too. Ever since we (Atwater) stomped him in the SB he hasn't been the same. His throwing wounded ducks up for grabs routine has run its course (years ago).

[Rascal]

So I guess, the rest of the team was stinking it up during the regular season as well to post good enough records to go into the playoffs four years straight?

ROFL, it must have been Brett carrying the football all along, posting multiple 1000 yard seasons instead of Ahman Breen, catching passes himself instead of Bubba Franks, Driver, and

I seem to remember a certain bronco QB being able to carry his team till they went to the playoffs only to get blasted to hell.

[fontaine]

Yes sir! I been saying this for a long time too. Ever since we (Atwater) stomped him in the SB he hasn't been the same. His throwing wounded ducks up for grabs routine has run its course (years ago).

In fairness to Brett Favre, it must be very hard to think straight when you have John Madden's head up your a$$.

[Old Dude]

Favre is the only player in the history of the Green Bay Packers that I don't hate.

[fontaine]

I seem to remember a certain bronco QB being able to carry his team till they went to the playoffs only to get blasted to hell.

Are you trying to compare the recent GB team of the past four years to what Elway had?

Ahman Green, Ferguson, Walker, Driver, awesome OL, Bubba Franks ring any bells?

The difference is the Young Elway HAD to do it. The older Brett Favre should know better through experience and use his great offense to win ballgames rather than his own persona.

The problem is media perception counts for a whole lot. Who cares if Brett has thrown 21 and 17 ints in the past two seasons when you can wail on Plummer for being the same mistake prone douche when he throws 20 this last season?

Anyone who actually watches the actual game will note that Young Favre had a strong enough arm with great delivery to avoid planting his feet correctly all the time. The Old Favre tries to get away with that now and it results in a lame pass or int. Holmgren was a good enough QB coach to call Favre on it and hold him accountable. Mike Sherman though it too busy trying to hold onto his job rather than tell the almighty Favre what to do.

[bendog]

JMO but he plays this year just to get the record for wins. Picking Aaron Rodgers instead of trying to trade up to get fabian washington ahead of Jokeland, or even taking Marlon Jackson too high is just the most disrespectful things I can recall an organization doing to a guy who really took the franchise from being the asswipe of the nfl back to glory. I think that set up some of his frustration with Javon Walker. Just a horrible front office job of overstocking the WR position in a knee jerk reaction to having Shroeder and their other overrated WR having cap problems, while losing Mackenzie in a salary fight, and having absolutely no talent in the dbackfield.

Faver is a hot dog, but he was the real deal. The fans in GB really didn't deserve him.

[Crushaholic]

Deacon Jones not only coined the term sack, but he racked up 26 in 1967 and 24 more in 1968. The Rams used to pay him by the sack and George Allen kept detailed statistics on everything.

http://www.autographedtoyou.com/celebpics/deacon_jones3.jpg

I like this part from an interview Shyster did with him last January:



I guess Tagliafag would have to ban this guy for life if he tried to play today.

I remember during one of this year's HOF preview shows on NFL Network, they had a round table discussion with Deacon part of it. He joked that he was going to sit the HOF out because there were too many QBs inducted. ROFL!

[bombquixote]

favre's okay. he's competitive and has a lot of passion for the game, and i like that about him.

what pisses me off is his golden boy status, and how much the media suck his dick--how no matter whether the packers are winning or losing, the anouncers at least twice a game wax all whimsical about how he "just goes out there and plays the game like a kid." serioulsy, how many times have we heard that? and how about those three ints? how about that poor decision making? how about that mortal buckling under the pressure? how about some ****ing analysis? but no, it's always, "he's just like a 12-year-old out there! look how he just shrugs that interception right off. just like in the back yard."

whatever. he happens to be the all-american posterboy, and people lap it up. i think that's probably not his fault.

[bendog]

Some of his youth is funny. His sister is/was doing time for a driveby shooting at a motel. His favorite beer jt burned down, and the cans were exploding like little grenades. His Dad of course had the heart attack while driving his pickup, and I think he'd been out to get booze or smokes. His brother in law (I think) got killed riding a 4-wheeler. His father pretty much shopped him around to colleges after keeping him under the recruiting radar.

[clarker]

JMO but he plays this year just to get the record for wins. Picking Aaron Rodgers instead of trying to trade up to get fabian washington ahead of Jokeland, or even taking Marlon Jackson too high is just the most disrespectful things I can recall an organization doing to a guy who really took the franchise from being the asswipe of the nfl back to glory. I think that set up some of his frustration with Javon Walker. Just a horrible front office job of overstocking the WR position in a knee jerk reaction to having Shroeder and their other overrated WR having cap problems, while losing Mackenzie in a salary fight, and having absolutely no talent in the dbackfield.

Faver is a hot dog, but he was the real deal. The fans in GB really didn't deserve him.The thing is about the Packers picking Rodgers is that Favre let them hang out to dry. If he would have came out and said I'm playing next year and perhaps 2-3 more, then sure try to get a Fabian Washington or someone.

But here was a QB that everyone said could be the number 1 pick over all and they don't have to trade up to get him. And you have a future HOF QB who is not a spring chicken to begin with, who may or may not retire.

This is not a deal like Elway where Reeves picked Maddox at pick 25 whe Elway was in only his 10th season.

[Ballhawk]

I like Brett Farve and the way he plays the game. Now he just need to hang them up, well at least 1 shy of the record :)

[Broncos Rule]

How many games has Brett won? I know THE MAN had 148 regular season..

Brett currently needs only 1,742 passing yards to overtake Elway for 2nd on the carrer passing yards list.. that's a gimmie even for the suck Packers.

[TheReverend]

FIrst of all, let me say after 5 yrs in wisconsin I HATE the packers and brett favre.

that being said, i think you pinned a lot on him that isnt his fault. that many years in the spotlight and you can come up with a lot of dirt on anyone. hes been a great QB and a few mistakes aside someone that will retire and have their name right next to elway, marino and montana. period.

reverend out.

[Orange Porpoise]

This is what J.P Losman had to say about Brett Farve

" He invited me to the house for me to pick him up, so we went to the house for a little bit and there he was, with his tight little shorts, no shirt, with his little red hat, and he was doing some farming or something because he was covered in dirt. It was awesome, man." - J.P. Losman talking about his visit with Brett Favre.

[GonzoLays]

FIrst of all, let me say after 5 yrs in wisconsin I HATE the packers and brett favre.

that being said, i think you pinned a lot on him that isnt his fault. that many years in the spotlight and you can come up with a lot of dirt on anyone. hes been a great QB and a few mistakes aside someone that will retire and have their name right next to elway, marino and montana. period.

reverend out.

What exactly did I "pin on him?" Did I make him take a dive to give Strahan the sorriest sack in the history of professional football? Did I make his offensive lineman not talk to him after the game? Did I make him go on 20/20 to discuss his pain killer addiction WHICH HE CAME OUT WITH ON HIS OWN ACCORD? Did I make him attention whore who lets his organization by wondering if he is going to retire for the five past offseasons? Did I make him call out his teammate when he was dealing with management for a raise?

He is a first grade bitch.

[WoodMan]

Jeezus...there are a hundred flavor clowns out there and Favre disgusts you? He's not an attention whore at all. He can't help it if Madden dreams of licking the sweat off his balls. Favre has never said he was a poster child. The media made him one. He's just a good ole boy Cajun from Louisiana, not Einstein.Favre is neither a cajun or from Louisiana, He is a small town boy from Kiln, Mississippi. His Daddy was a football coach who died last year from a heart attack while driving and His Momma still runs a little grill on the water called Farve's on the Bayou. Great fried seafood Po Boys and a bunch of raving lunatic Pack fans in South Mississippi. He does alot of good in the communities here on the Gulf coast, fund raisers for Kids and stuff like that. Stayed home to play at Southern Miss about 50 miles north of Kiln in Hattiesburg. He is a damn good football player and has done more good than harm. Cut him some slack. Y'all would get your collective asses kicked if you went into that little bar on the Bayou talking this crap. :moody:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Y'all would get your collective asses kicked if you went into that little bar on the Bayou talking this crap. :moody:
And so would those boys if they came up in Elway's neck of the woods talking the same kind of crap. :)

[DivineLegion]

All those points are true yes....but somehow Farve doesn't make my skin crawl like say Manning does.

I really can't explain why I'm so indifferent towards Farve.....but I am.

Farve has acctualy done something...

And according to sources runs naked in the Wisconson Winter :captain:

[GonzoLays]

Favre is neither a cajun or from Louisiana, He is a small town boy from Kiln, Mississippi. His Daddy was a football coach who died last year from a heart attack while driving and His Momma still runs a little grill on the water called Farve's on the Bayou. Great fried seafood Po Boys and a bunch of raving lunatic Pack fans in South Mississippi. He does alot of good in the communities here on the Gulf coast, fund raisers for Kids and stuff like that. Stayed home to play at Southern Miss about 50 miles north of Kiln in Hattiesburg. He is a damn good football player and has done more good than harm. Cut him some slack. Y'all would get your collective asses kicked if you went into that little bar on the Bayou talking this crap. :moody:

I couldn't imagine somebody trying to kick my ass for telling everyone how fake and annoying he is in Favre's mother restaurant in Kiln, Mississippi. You are going out on a limb there, woodman.