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Smilin Assassin
08-16-2005, 04:25 PM
Tuesday, August 16, 2005
Lewis: Pollack holdout selfish

By Mark Curnutte
Enquirer staff writer

Bengals coach Marvin Lewis is disappointed that the team's top draft pick, David Pollack of Georgia, has not signed a contract.


GEORGETOWN, Ky. - For the second time in five years, the Bengals' first-round draft pick is likely to miss all of training camp.

The holdout of linebacker David Pollack reached Day 19 and claimed its 20th and 21st practices. Two remain.

Defensive end Justin Smith signed the day before the regular-season opener in 2001.

After initially declining, Marvin Lewis talked openly Monday about his disappointment with Pollack's holdout.

"I didn't think he would hold out this long," Lewis said. "I think we have fought very hard to eliminate some of these kinds of actions, and it is a shame that it has occurred.

"We have guys who have chosen to be here, and we've eliminated selfishness that occurs. If that's what it comes down to, a dollar here a dollar there, they're on the wrong football team."

Lewis has dramatically changed the culture of the football team since being hired as coach in January 2003.

"And this football team will never, never be guided by one guy, or we won't be a very good team," Lewis said. "We will not be compromised by one player or one person. And that's not going to change.

"We have fought very hard over these three years to establish that, and it's important to the guys (players) who sit in these chairs every night that we do not change that. It's been proven around the league. It's what wins in this league."

Tom Condon, one of Pollack's agents, did not return three messages seeking comment left at his Kansas City office Monday.

Lewis said the club has given a great deal of ground to Pollack and his agents.

"At some point, a player must make a decision - enough is enough - and it's time to play football," Lewis said.

Just three of 32 first-round picks remain unsigned. Second overall pick Ronnie Brown, a running back, signed with the Miami Dolphins. The only other picks unsigned are No. 4 running back Cedric Benson of Chicago and No. 6 cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones of Tennessee.

Pollack is the lowest pick, at No. 17, by 11 slots, still out of camp.

In 2004, running back Chris Perry, the Bengals first-round pick, missed 11 days of training camp in a contract holdout. The 2004 second-round pick, cornerback Keiwan Ratliff, missed five days, same as this year's second-round pick, linebacker Odell Thurman.

The Bengals' reputation among many player agents is not good. They are regarded as excessively tight-fisted in negotiations, creating unnecessary ill-will that has damaged some long-term relationships.

Lewis on Monday defended the way the Bengals do business.

"I don't think you can say it's a reputation," he said. "If it is, then that report in that one magazine about agents who hold their guys out the longest, what's that?"

Lewis referred to a report in a recent issue of "SportsBusiness Journal" that showed Condon and partner Ken Kremer of IMG have held-out 13 first-round draft picks since 1995. Agents Eugene Parker and Roosevelt Barnes also have held-out 13.

But Condon and Kremer have far many more first-round picks, 30, than Parker and Barnes, who had 22, the magazine reported. Condon and Kremer's clients have held-out 43 percent of the time. Parker and Barnes' rookie first-round clients - including Perry - have held-out 59 percent of the time.

But agents with far fewer first-round picks since 1995 have much higher incidents of holdouts, according to "SportsBusiness Journal:"

Neil Cornrich, 5 of 6, 83 percent; Jimmy Sexton and Joel Segal both have held-out 7 of 9 (78 percent) first-round clients since '95. Carl and Kevin Poston have held-out seven of their 10 first-round rookies.

"Reputation goes both ways. It's not one-sided. Fair is fair," Lewis said. "As an organization, we're going to continue to learn and grow from these things. We are going to turn whatever perceived negatives into a positive."

SoCalBronco
08-16-2005, 04:30 PM
Not sure how management can criticize players for not owning up to the contract they signed out of their own free will on one hand then pressure them to sign on the other hand.

BroncoInferno
08-16-2005, 04:34 PM
This happens to the Bengals every year. At some point, you have to conclude that it is less the player being selfish and more Mike Brown being a cheap skate.

ludo21
08-16-2005, 04:34 PM
Pollack is just hurting himself more and more by not showing up. This is rediculous that he has held out longer than Adam Jones. Its just dumb IMO that he wants so much money, he aint a top 5 or even 10 pick, he doesnt deserve that much

DBroncos4life
08-16-2005, 04:36 PM
Pollack is just hurting himself more and more by not showing up. This is rediculous that he has held out longer than Adam Jones. Its just dumb IMO that he wants so much money, he aint a top 5 or even 10 pick, he doesnt deserve that much


So you think he should just sign for the $1.50 that Brown is more then likely offering for him? My guess its just Brown being cheap again.

ludo21
08-16-2005, 04:39 PM
So you think he should just sign for the $1.50 that Brown is more then likely offering for him? My guess its just Brown being cheap again.


if thats the case, then i agree with pollack, but im not sure what the situation is.

DBroncos4life
08-16-2005, 04:41 PM
if thats the case, then i agree with pollack, but im not sure what the situation is.


In 2004, running back Chris Perry, the Bengals first-round pick, missed 11 days of training camp in a contract holdout. The 2004 second-round pick, cornerback Keiwan Ratliff, missed five days, same as this year's second-round pick, linebacker Odell Thurman.

The Bengals' reputation among many player agents is not good. They are regarded as excessively tight-fisted in negotiations, creating unnecessary ill-will that has damaged some long-term relationships.


It sounds to me they are always cheap.

clint7
08-16-2005, 04:52 PM
Were cheap, are cheap, always will be cheap...it seems every year they go through this. Then they always try to force that "loyalty clause" in the contracts...players can't say anything bad about the club, but it's okay to call out a player in the media. ::)

I tend to always side with the club, but not when it comes to the BenGALS.

TheReverend
08-16-2005, 05:06 PM
The Bengals are notorious for being a selfish organization that doesn't treat or respect their players very well... then again they did take an undersized DE in the first to convert him to a hybrid LB, so what's his problem?

bloodsunday
08-17-2005, 07:23 AM
Pollack is just hurting himself more and more by not showing up. This is rediculous that he has held out longer than Adam Jones. Its just dumb IMO that he wants so much money, he aint a top 5 or even 10 pick, he doesnt deserve that much
No one wins on this deal. It is very unusual for a player to miss this much camp as a rookie and then be a factor in the season. Everyone that suggests Cincy will be a factor this year cites their "good draft" and Pollack was a big part of that. All of a sudden that draft is average... He was taken too high IMHO anyway.

Hotrod
08-17-2005, 07:26 AM
No one wins on this deal. It is very unusual for a player to miss this much camp as a rookie and then be a factor in the season. Everyone that suggests Cincy will be a factor this year cites their "good draft" and Pollack was a big part of that. All of a sudden that draft is average... He was taken too high IMHO anyway.

Just for the record if anyone seems to remember me pushing hard for Denver to take Pollack I was just joking Ha!

Rohirrim
08-17-2005, 07:32 AM
Just for the record if anyone seems to remember me pushing hard for Denver to take Pollack I was just joking Ha!

I'm not taking it back. I still think he would have been a great addition to the Broncos. Of course, if the Broncos had drafted him, he'd already have a signed contract and be in camp.

bloodsunday
08-17-2005, 07:35 AM
I'm not taking it back. I still think he would have been a great addition to the Broncos. Of course, if the Broncos had drafted him, he'd already have a signed contract and be in camp.
Yeah and he would have been picked about 7 picks later, which was more his draft status. I don't think he fits a true 4 - 3 so he is better off with Cincy.

NaptownChief
08-17-2005, 07:38 AM
"If that's what it comes down to, a dollar here a dollar there, they're on the wrong football team."


That can easily be turned around and say that if the only thing that matters to the team is saving a dollar here and a dollar there then is this a team I want to play for?

Rohirrim
08-17-2005, 07:38 AM
Yeah and he would have been picked about 7 picks later, which was more his draft status. I don't think he fits a true 4 - 3 so he is better off with Cincy.

You can always find a spot on your team for a guy with his kind of motor.

Tredici
08-17-2005, 07:55 AM
Lewis has dramatically changed the culture of the football team since being hired as coach in January 2003.

Apparently not THAT dramatic....

delany
08-17-2005, 07:59 AM
Odell Thurman looks like he is having a great camp.

I could see him as D-ROY this year.

bendog
08-17-2005, 08:54 AM
I thought the bungles had finally started spending .... actually up to the cap. I don't see what the problem should be in getting this guy inked. He's slotted, with the guys before and after him in the draft signed. Maybe, he's ticked that he wasn't taken higher.

bloodsunday
08-17-2005, 08:58 AM
I thought the bungles had finally started spending .... actually up to the cap. I don't see what the problem should be in getting this guy inked. He's slotted, with the guys before and after him in the draft signed. Maybe, he's ticked that he wasn't taken higher.
Slotting is okay, but contracts today are trickier than ever. You have to think about how to divide bonus money, incentive money, guaranteed money, etc... It's a tough, tough deal to get the player adequate guaranteed money and still protect the team's interest. Of course peformance and character clauses are more prominant then ever before.

bendog
08-17-2005, 09:19 AM
sure but they look at the guaranteed money above and below, and the money of the previoulsy and next DE taken, and then there's a range where the parties make a compromise. Not rocket science. The bungles have added players. Normally I'd think the brown family was being their usual tightwads, but that hasn't been the case recently. I just didn't see in the article where the hang up was. He shouldn't be hard to sign, except as I recall he was taken later than I thought he'd go. I just wonder if he's balking at what he's slotted to get. I'll look.

oh, nevermind:

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050817/SPT02/308170010/1066

Billy Clyde Puckett
08-17-2005, 09:23 AM
This one is over:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bengals-pollack&prov=ap&type=lgns

CINCINNATI (AP) -- David Pollack, the Cincinnati Bengals' first-round pick, ended his 19-day holdout on Wednesday by signing a five-year contract.

``We're excited to have this deal concluded,'' said Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis. ``We're excited to get started with David, for his and our future.''

The Bengals scheduled a 2 p.m. news conference to announce the deal.

Pollack, the 17th pick overall in April's draft, was one of the last first-round picks to sign. Chicago's Cedric Benson and Tennessee's Adam ``Pacman'' Jones are the only holdouts remaining, though Jones is close to signing.

Originally penciled in as a starter at strong-side linebacker after playing defensive tackle in college, he was demoted to third team on the depth chart during his holdout.

Just Monday, Lewis blasted Pollack for missing practice, saying, ``I think the club has given in every way.''

The 6-foot-2, 255-pound Pollack was a defensive end at Georgia. He became the first two-time winner of the Ted Hendricks Award given to the nation's top college defensive end. His 36 sacks set a Georgia record and rank fourth all-time in the SEC.

Garcia Bronco
08-17-2005, 09:23 AM
He signed this morning

Broncoman13
08-17-2005, 09:49 AM
Chris Perry held out for less than $200k over 5 years. I've not seen the difference in Pollack's wants vs. the Bengals offers but I'm willing to bet it's a bunch less too.

In a case like this I would have to say it's the player and not the team. You look at last years #17 pick. He got paid say 12 mil over 5 years. This year the #17 pick gets offered 13.2 mil over 5 years. What's so wrong with that? It's pretty much the same from year to year. The reason it's so difficult with the #1, 2, and 3's is b/c you have insurance dilemas added in... w/ a #17 pick it's quite simple... you want insurance on yourself you pay for it!!!

Taco John
08-17-2005, 10:11 AM
"At some point, a player must make a decision - enough is enough - and it's time to play football," Lewis said.




I think that's BS... While I think Pollack should have shown up to training camp in good faith, I think that a player needs to make certain he gets the contract right the first time... You can't put this all on the player, and none on the organization. If they're just quibbling over pennies, as Lewis is pretending here, then why can't the team bridge that difference?

jonny1
08-17-2005, 10:18 AM
He signed this morning

Any bets on the over/under on how soon he gets hurt?

NaptownChief
08-17-2005, 10:24 AM
Probably easier said than done but if I were a GM I would be pretty generous up front with my initial offer and would let the agent know that I am willing to slightly overpay quickly in return for a player not missing camp. However the offer absolutely will go down each passing day. Just like any other job the more days you don't work the less you get paid, the more days you work the more you get paid. A rookie that has a complete camp is worth a lot more the first year than a player who misses most of it and I would pay accordingly.

Billy Clyde Puckett
08-17-2005, 10:47 AM
So I guess that leaves Punkman Jones and Cedric Benson as unsigned first rounders. I guess my favorite criminal, R. Incognito, the third round choice of the Rams is also holding out.

bengalsown
08-17-2005, 12:27 PM
This happens to the Bengals every year. At some point, you have to conclude that it is less the player being selfish and more Mike Brown being a cheap skate.

That's funny.

Pollack has an opportunity to earn $3 million more than Travis Johnson, drafted at #16.

Mike Brown is NOT cheap when it comes to contracts. That is a FACT.

It's rediculous that is the common thought when it comes to the Bengals.

Does anyone think the Steelers are cheap? If you don't think so, you should.