Brace yourself SoCal, the Leinart talk has begun

[Clockwork Orange]

I was listening to 950 The Fan on the way home from work today and the subject was the Broncos QB position.

Naturally, both Mike & Sandy were pleasantly surprised by the play of BVP. But Sandy was pretty adament in the idea that if the Broncos don't perform up to expectations this year that "the Broncos QB of 2006 is not on the current roster." He then made it pretty clear when he said that "Shanahan will likely move mountains to acquire a certain QB who wears #11 for the USC Trojans right now." He also alluded to an article (which I haven't been able to track down) in which Jim Armstrong of the Denver Post has made the same claim.

The Leinart talk is starting already. I know you don't like him SoCal, so you might want to get ready for a lot more of this kind of talk if there's anything to this.

http://www.jefflewisphotography.com/adm/photo/101_MattLeinartWebsite.jpg

[SoCalBronco]

Thanks for the heads up, CO.

Its ok. I have to deal with all the U$C and Leinhartless nutsack lickers down here. I dont think the Redskins will give us the oppurtunity to select him anyway. They played like **** against Carolina but I think they are good for 6 wins. That equates to something like the 8th or 9th pick or so. That would be fine territory. Just keep us out of the Top 2. SF is likely to be in that very top group and they wont go QB obviously. I suspect Cleveland and Tennessee are also likely to be worse than Washington. Only Tennessee is likely to select Leinhartless since Cleveland just invested a 2nd rounder in Charlie Frye I believe. I think we will be out of range of disaster so I am not worried. The Skins already have a gift win week 1 against the Grossman-less Bears.

D'Brickashaw Ferguson or Rod Wright would be ideal. Winston too if he gets a little better and is okay. So far in camp, I havent heard any problems regarding his knee although the rest of the OL is awful. Kiwi would be nice too. I have to watch Mario Williams more. I only saw 2 NC St. games last year.

I dont have a problem with Leinart...........in the fourth round. :)

[Clockwork Orange]

I would love to be drafting #2 so long as Miami or Cleveland are drafting #1. They both need a QB, they'll take Leinart, leaving the Broncos right there to take D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Either that or trade down a few spots and take one of Kiwanuka, Williams or Winston.

I just found it odd that the local media are already starting the Matt Leinart talk. They never said that they've heard anything directly from Shanahan on the matter, but they sounded as though there have been some overtures somewhere.

[Taco John]

If it's true that Shanahan wants Lienart, I wouldn't be suprised to see us package both our picks to move up to the first spot and get him. Personally, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. We need a franchise guy, and Lienart, IMO, is the next best thing to Peyton Manning.

[Ballhawk]

One thing is for sure, that if the media says we are taking Matt then it will never happen.

[DBroncos4life]

There is a lot of hype in the Pats camp about a career college QB in Matt Cassel. I just believe that USC is making NFL QB's right now. Leinart will be every bit as good if not better then Palmer. The future would look great for us if we landed him.

[DBroncos4life]

I don't think the Browns are a lock to take a QB next year either. Taking Frye in the third then drafting another QB next year in the first seems to be waisting a pick to me. Frye may end up to be a good QB as well. There are a few teams with aging vets that could look for a QB but they would have to trade ahead of us I would think.

Not to get off track but Drew Henson may get cut by the Boys this year, or at the very least he could be very cheap. He could be worth a look given Mikes ability to work with QB's in all.

[SpringStein]

Right now, Leinart is the almost unanimous projection at #1. Looking at draft charts, assumimg our pick is #20 or lower, the worst that the Skins pick could be is #4 for us to combine picks to move up.

With 3,000 ponts as a base for #1
#3 is 2,200
#4 is 1,800

#20 is 850
#26 is 700

Means that it will probably take a #3 and a 20 somethiung to move up to 1. (Yes, all this depends on each team's situation - but I'm showing this simply as a guideline.) And I expect the Skins pick to be more like #10.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

He also alluded to an article (which I haven't been able to track down) in which Jim Armstrong of the Denver Post has made the same claim.
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It was in one of Armstrong's "Opening Shots" columns last week, towards the end of the week IIRC.

For SS, a Skins pick in the Top 5 and a Denver in the 20's will be more than enough to get the 1st overall next year if the draft ends up being as ridiculously deep as it does now.

Even if Leinart isn't the guy, the trade was made to acquire a QB in next year's draft. Even if the Broncos own pick is used for it, they'll take a QB with one and address another position need with the other.

[El Guapo]

Im all for it, i just hate how we're already talking about next offseason. :D

[Perry1977]

The thing I like the most about Leinhart that most people don't realize is that since he is a lefty....that makes big 'ole George Foster his blindside tackle on the right, and makes getting a monster LT irrelevant. :wiggle:

[OrangeShadow]

You guys and the media(more so the media) are getting way to ahead of yourselves its ridiculous

[Mediator12]

Screw leinart and get Omar Jacobs with the skins pick. Then get best OL available or DL if a great one is left.

[Mr. Trout]

Screw leinart and get Omar Jacobs with the skins pick. Then get best OL available or DL if a great one is left.


Agreed, I would rather have Jacobs than Leinart but I think Jake will be our man for at least three more years.

[Mediator12]

Jacobs makes a ton a sense to me. Jake can continue to start until Jacobs can really develop in a year or two. This team is predicated on young guys learning the system for a year before becoming a starter, so having him develop behind jake is a great Idea. Jake is 32 and could have three or four years left in him. Better to get the replacement two years before to learn the offense than after we dump him like we did with Griese!

[KillerBronco#76]

The Skins already have a gift win week 1 against the Grossman-less Bears.

i dont know about that the bears defense vs. the skins offense could put the bears ahead in that game and orton has been playing well in pre-season, at least well considering he's a rookie and what their other options are a quarterback.

[gunns]

I'd like to see how the team plays this year without Chow. And how Leinhart responds if they struggle at all. Then we'll see what kind of QB he truly is.

[Ratboy]

I rather give San Diego one of our first round picks for Philip Rivers. I'm sure if we made the deal sweet enough they would jump for it.

[FADERPROOF]

If it's true that Shanahan wants Lienart, I wouldn't be suprised to see us package both our picks to move up to the first spot and get him. Personally, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. We need a franchise guy, and Lienart, IMO, is the next best thing to Peyton Manning.

Packaging our first rounders to get Leinart would be the dumbest move in Broncos history.

[Play2win]

I'd like to see how the team plays this year without Chow. And how Leinhart responds if they struggle at all. Then we'll see what kind of QB he truly is.
Exactly, Leinhart is all about how he performs this year. This year is going to say alot as to if he is real, The real deal or a real flop. I want to see him in high pressure situations and see how he performs.

Production and Performance. Thats what its all about, and Matt Leinart has to prove himself this year. He hasn't proved anything yet, but he can prove a hell of alot this year. Its all up to Him...

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I rather give San Diego one of our first round picks for Philip Rivers. I'm sure if we made the deal sweet enough they would jump for it.

thwack

[DBroncos4life]

I wouldn't be sad if we used both first round picks on a Tackle and a Guard. That Guard from OU may turn out to be a Larry Allen type guy and that would be pretty damn nice to have.

[Play2win]

Well, I was really impressed by Leinart last night. He pretty much made all the throws, with great touch and down the field ACCURACY.

Like the guys calling the game said, one of his biggest strengths is how he MANAGES the game. He gets the ball to the right person to make the play. He is just one of these guys that "gets it". He is definitely somebody I would want on my team.

The thing that really impressed me about Leinart is the way he led EVERYBODY. His accuracy is very good, everybody knows that. But, also, he hit everyone IN-STRIDE. That is huge. I can't remember one pass that he threw behind anybody. After seeing pass after pass thrown behind the receiver, it is such a welcomed change to see a pass not only NOT thrown behind the receiver, but to lead him perfectly so the WR catches the ball fully in-stride.

We need this guy. And I hope Shanahan Pulls the TRIGGER and gets him. I am now 99% SOLD. !Booya! :militia: !Booya!

[SoCalBronco]

Well, I was really impressed by Leinart last night. He pretty much made all the throws, with great touch and down the field ACCURACY.

Like the guys calling the game said, one of his biggest strengths is how he MANAGES the game. He gets the ball to the right person to make the play. He is just one of these guys that "gets it". He is definitely somebody I would want on my team.

The thing that really impressed me about Leinart is the way he led EVERYBODY. His accuracy is very good, everybody knows that. But, also, he hit everyone IN-STRIDE. That is huge. I can't remember one pass that he threw behind anybody. After seeing pass after pass thrown behind the receiver, it is such a welcomed change to see a pass not only NOT thrown behind the receiver, but to lead him perfectly so the WR catches the ball fully in-stride.

We need this guy. And I hope Shanahan Pulls the TRIGGER and gets him. I am now 99% SOLD. !Booya! :militia: !Booya!

I am willing to use our pick from Washington to get Bush, White and maybe even Bing (although I would prefer to get Bing in the late first round if we can do so) but not Leinart. No way in hell.

[Play2win]

I am willing to use our pick from Washington to get Bush, White and maybe even Bing (although I would prefer to get Bing in the late first round if we can do so) but not Leinart. No way in hell.
I know where you stand. ;D

Did you watch the game last night, though?

[DBroncos4life]

Youre nuts SoCal. Look at Palmer. Leinart will do as good if not better then him.

[SoCalBronco]

Youre nuts SoCal. Look at Palmer. Leinart will do as good if not better then him.

U$C put out one good pro QB in the last, what is it, 20 some years and thats Palmer who is still young. Rob Johnson is the only other one I can think of and he didnt have a good NFL career as a starter. Your nuts if you suddenly think that because they have put out one good young starting NFL QB, U$C somehow now has become "Quarterback U". They havent put out squat besides one player.

Here are the facts:
1. USC has a VERY SIMPLE offense. Extremely simplistic. Norm Chow's system going all the way back to BYU has been very basic. There are ONLY 10 base 5 and 7 step passes along with a quick game. This is not a good fact for Leinhart defenders because there are serious questions as to whether Leinhart can make the leap from that to the type of complex NFL playbooks that are common. You might point at Palmer and say well he did it. With Palmer, he had experience with an NFL style offense with Coach Paul Hackett's offense so he was well familiar with the nuances of pro offenses. In addition, at Rancho Santa Marguerita down here, he ran a sophisticated passing offense. Matt Leinart hasnt had that exposure to a complicated pro style system. Mater Dei is a run first program that beats you just by outathleting you.

2. Matt Leinart has always been surrounded by a great OL and great skill position players as well as great coaches. Nonetheless he has still had very mediocre games even agaisnt mediocre competition (see 2004 regular season). This makes it legit to question who, or to be more precise, what is the comparative percentage breakdown of who is responsible for the success. While I realize Matt is somewhat more physically gifted than Ken, a major criticism of Ken Dorsey was that "its everyone around him" and thats one of the reasons he got no love from the NFL. This criticism is equally applicable to Matt Leinart and in addition unlike Matt Leinart, Dorsey succeeded even with TERRIBLE COACHES. Yet no one sucked his dick like they are doing with Leinart.

[DBroncos4life]

U$C put out one good pro QB in the last, what is it, 20 some years and thats Palmer who is still young. Rob Johnson is the only other one I can think of and he didnt have a good NFL career as a starter. Your nuts if you suddenly think that because they have put out one good young starting NFL QB, U$C somehow now has become "Quarterback U". They havent put out squat besides one player.


Its not a fluke SoCal. The Pats LOVE there back up QB and he didn't even start for USC. Just because they didn't make QB's 15 years ago doesn't mean that Leinart is the real deal. Just because they don't go to NFL U doesn't mean that the guy won't be a NFL star. Everyone said lets see what he does without Chow and he looks every bit as good.

[SoCalBronco]

Its not a fluke SoCal. The Pats LOVE there back up QB and he didn't even start for USC. Just because they didn't make QB's 15 years ago doesn't mean that Leinart is the real deal. Just because they don't go to NFL U doesn't mean that the guy won't be a NFL star. Everyone said lets see what he does without Chow and he looks every bit as good.

Your argument was that USC is now good at putting out NFL caliber QBs, I called you on it and there is nothing to point to outside of Palmer. You will undoubtedly argue that, well he is the only other QB that Coach Pete Carroll and Norm Chow had so ofcourse under the new regime, they didnt put anyone else out. Even if we accept that, you are conceding that the sample size for your "USC is now NFL QB U" is just 1 player. No one can reasonably say this is an adequate sample size for your "USC can put out pro QBs" claim.

[SoCalBronco]

The Pats love their 3rd string QB?

Wow. I am impressed. He had one good preseason game and had one terrible preseason game. What is this supposed to prove? Its not exactly a huge surprise that Matt Cassel had enough raw talent to hold down a 3rd string NFL job. You are a recruiting guy, so you know that he was fairly highly recruited when he came out. Either way, its not saying alot when your saying "look he made the 3rd string for an NFL club". Yes I recognize he was a backup player, but its not exactly an anamoly that college backups can stick on NFL rosters. Andre King never started at Miami, yet he is a Top 4 WR with the Cleveland Browns going into his 5th season.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Well I'm kind of in the middle ground about Leinart. I think he will be a decent NFL QB, but never a star. Probably qbout equal to what we have seen out of David Carr to date.

If the Broncs were to draft a QB in next year's draft, I believe a better value would be Pinegar of Fresno St. who will be drafted in the 3rd or 4th round, and I believe has as much potential as Leinart

[DBroncos4life]

Your argument was that USC is now good at putting out NFL caliber QBs, I called you on it and there is nothing to point to outside of Palmer. You will undoubtedly argue that, well he is the only other QB that Coach Pete Carroll and Norm Chow had so ofcourse under the new regime, they didnt put anyone else out. Even if we accept that, you are conceding that the sample size for your "USC is now NFL QB U" is just 1 player. No one can reasonably say this is an adequate sample size for your "USC can put out pro QBs" claim.


Whatever dude. Just because they don't have a history of producing top QBs DOES NOT mean Leinart and Palmer won't be stars in the NFL. I mean come on SoCal a team would have to start somewhere to produce right? The fact is Palmer looks like he will be good for many years and Leinart won a heisman in his junior year. He damn well could win two. Lots of schools dont produce NFL QBs year in and year out but that doesn't mean Joe Blow won't be a good QB because of it.

[DBroncos4life]

Well I'm kind of in the middle ground about Leinart. I think he will be a decent NFL QB, but never a star. Probably qbout equal to what we have seen out of David Carr to date.

If the Broncs were to draft a QB in next year's draft, I believe a better value would be Pinegar of Fresno St. who will be drafted in the 3rd or 4th round, and I believe has as much potential as Leinart


So you think Leinart will be no better then Carr? rofl There is no reason to think that he won't be as good or not better then Palmer.

[DBroncos4life]

I can't name another QB that Miami (Ohio) has produced but that doesn't seem to be hurting Big Ben at all.

[SoCalBronco]

Whatever dude. Just because they don't have a history of producing top QBs DOES NOT mean Leinart and Palmer won't be stars in the NFL. I mean come on SoCal a team would have to start somewhere to produce right? The fact is Palmer looks like he will be good for many years and Leinart won a heisman in his junior year. He damn well could win two. Lots of schools dont produce NFL QBs year in and year out but that doesn't mean Joe Blow won't be a good QB because of it.

That was your claim. Thats why I was addressing it. You were saying, now USC can make NFL QBs. Thats the only reason why I said, show me this whole slew of USC NFL Qbs. Its because you made the argument. Im glad your backing away from it now though. The fact that Palmer looks very good means that this staff has made 1. Yes its the only one they have had but that also means the sample size that you are going by is still just 1. Heisman's? You know better to say that Heisman's are even minimally relevant to good NFL QBs given their history.

[SoCalBronco]

I can't name another QB that Miami (Ohio) has produced but that doesn't seem to be hurting Big Ben at all.

The difference is, I never claimed Miami of Ohio now are experts at producing NFL QBs.

[DBroncos4life]

The difference is, I never claimed Miami of Ohio now are experts at producing NFL QBs.


I don't recall calling USC gods of the NFL QB either. It just happens that Leinart and Palmer went there in back to back years.

[SoCalBronco]

I don't recall calling USC gods of the NFL QB either. It just happens that Leinart and Palmer went there in back to back years.

Yes you did. You have made the argument using Palmer in this thread and I recall in another thread some time ago you saying something to the effect that USC knows how to make NFL QBs.

[DBroncos4life]

Yes you did. You have made the argument using Palmer in this thread and I recall in another thread some time ago you saying something to the effect that USC knows how to make NFL QBs.


Find where I said that they are QB U. I only said that Leinart is BETTER then Palmer and Palmer is a damn good QB.

[SoCalBronco]

Find where I said that they are QB U. I only said that Leinart is BETTER then Palmer and Palmer is a damn good QB.

No I am not going to waste time finding it because first of all the game is starting in a few minutes and second of all even if I find it you are going to try and explain it away.

[DBroncos4life]

No I am not going to waste time finding it because first of all the game is starting in a few minutes and second of all even if I find it you are going to try and explain it away.


I may have said something like that because of the hype that Matt Cassel was getting in preseason. Still just because they haven't produced players in the past doesn't mean that Leinart will be a bad QB. Palmer is proving to be a good player. I think Leinart will be ever bit as good as him. Its not that he just does one thing so well its the fact that he does everything well.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

So you think Leinart will be no better then Carr? rofl There is no reason to think that he won't be as good or not better then Palmer.

I think Carr is a decent QB on a crappy team. Not great, but decent.

[Ballhawk]

Brohm may be the best QB to come out in the last 5 years, we should wait and go after him in 2007 draft.

[RocBronc]

I'm not sure what year Sam Kellar from AZ St. is but he's been impressive so far this year.

[DBroncos4life]

SoCal how would you rank Leinart to Palmer? Looking at Palmers stats so far (leads the league in yards) I would say if Leinart is atleast equal to him then we need to draft him. Palmer is completing 70% of his passes! 104 rating. 300 yards per game man. This is what our team needs.

[SpringStein]

Brohm may be the best QB to come out in the last 5 years, we should wait and go after him in 2007 draft.

Doubtful we will be in a position to draft a QB high in '07 - unlike the possibility in '06.

[Ballhawk]

Doubtful we will be in a position to draft a QB high in '07 - unlike the possibility in '06.

We could trade awy one of our 1st next year for one in 2007, giving us 2 that year.

[SpringStein]

Not too many franchises as stupid as Skins. ;)

[The Big E]

I think Leinart's good, but I have some reservations because some have projected that every starter on USC's offense is an NFL prospect. How will Leinart react if he gets thrown into a situation like David Carr's? I'm not smart enough to know how good he really is, but it certainly isn't a slam dunk that he's going to be the next Montana, or even the next Carson Palmer.

[Ballhawk]

Not too many franchises as stupid as Skins. ;)

Dont give me that, there is Clev and SF :)

[Workhorse]

I was listening to 950 The Fan on the way home from work today and the subject was the Broncos QB position.

Naturally, both Mike & Sandy were pleasantly surprised by the play of BVP. But Sandy was pretty adament in the idea that if the Broncos don't perform up to expectations this year that "the Broncos QB of 2006 is not on the current roster." He then made it pretty clear when he said that "Shanahan will likely move mountains to acquire a certain QB who wears #11 for the USC Trojans right now." He also alluded to an article (which I haven't been able to track down) in which Jim Armstrong of the Denver Post has made the same claim.

The Leinart talk is starting already. I know you don't like him SoCal, so you might want to get ready for a lot more of this kind of talk if there's anything to this.

http://www.jefflewisphotography.com/adm/photo/101_MattLeinartWebsite.jpg


Mike and Sandy are the epitome of local blow-hard, not ready-for-prime-time radio talk honks.

Their opinions amount to less than a pile of Horse$hit.

Plummer will be the QB here, BVP will be the backup and Leinhart will be the No.1 pick and play anywhere BUT in Denver beginning in 2006.

End of discussion. :bash:

[-Slap-]

U$C put out one good pro QB in the last, what is it, 20 some years and thats Palmer who is still young. Rob Johnson is the only other one I can think of and he didnt have a good NFL career as a starter. Your nuts if you suddenly think that because they have put out one good young starting NFL QB, U$C somehow now has become "Quarterback U". They havent put out squat besides one player.

Here are the facts:
1. USC has a VERY SIMPLE offense. Extremely simplistic. Norm Chow's system going all the way back to BYU has been very basic. There are ONLY 10 base 5 and 7 step passes along with a quick game. This is not a good fact for Leinhart defenders because there are serious questions as to whether Leinhart can make the leap from that to the type of complex NFL playbooks that are common. You might point at Palmer and say well he did it. With Palmer, he had experience with an NFL style offense with Coach Paul Hackett's offense so he was well familiar with the nuances of pro offenses. In addition, at Rancho Santa Marguerita down here, he ran a sophisticated passing offense. Matt Leinart hasnt had that exposure to a complicated pro style system. Mater Dei is a run first program that beats you just by outathleting you.

2. Matt Leinart has always been surrounded by a great OL and great skill position players as well as great coaches. Nonetheless he has still had very mediocre games even agaisnt mediocre competition (see 2004 regular season). This makes it legit to question who, or to be more precise, what is the comparative percentage breakdown of who is responsible for the success. While I realize Matt is somewhat more physically gifted than Ken, a major criticism of Ken Dorsey was that "its everyone around him" and thats one of the reasons he got no love from the NFL. This criticism is equally applicable to Matt Leinart and in addition unlike Matt Leinart, Dorsey succeeded even with TERRIBLE COACHES. Yet no one sucked his dick like they are doing with Leinart.
1. Paul Hackett's pro style offense has made him hated by NFL quarterbacks throughout the League.

2. So far you're the only NFL observer who's felt that level of attraction towards Ken Dorsey and that's never going to change.

[SoCalBronco]

1. Paul Hackett's pro style offense has made him hated by NFL quarterbacks throughout the League.

2. So far you're the only NFL observer who's felt that level of attraction towards Ken Dorsey and that's never going to change.

As to Dorsey, I am not saying he is a great NFL QB, I am simply saying he is similar to Leinart, both second day caliber QBs, although Leinart has a somewhat better arm. The thing is the same criticisms they had with Dorsey are also applicable yet thats not stopping people from sucking Leinart's dick anyway. Neither of them can make something happen by themselve, neither of them can evade a rush, neither have particularly great arms, despite alot of hype, both of them have had more than a few mediocre college games against mediocre teams, they have been surrounded with great talent and great offensive lines.

As to Hackett, so what if QBs dont like it. Its the same offense that half of the league runs now. The exact same terminology and base pass plays as half the league runs. That was helpful to Palmer's development despite the fact that he did not thrive in that offense to the extent that he did under Chow. Leinart has never played in anything but a very, very basic passing offense, both in HS and in college. That is a legitimate criticism. He's never been asked to digest a whole lot of different things and he has struggled against many mediocre defensive opponents (just see this last game against ASU) even with a very simple system with great talent.

[DBroncos4life]

The last two weeks have really impressed me, not because his stats are all world its because when they are down he doesn't rush things and try to make dumb throws. He takes one play at a time and takes what the other team gives them. Also he played the rest of last weeks games with a concussion.

[SoCalBronco]

The last two weeks have really impressed me, not because his stats are all world its because when they are down he doesn't rush things and try to make dumb throws. He takes one play at a time and takes what the other team gives them. Also he played the rest of last weeks games with a concussion.

what are you talking about? When the going got rough in the second half, they didnt let him throw, they just pounded it out on the ground the entire second half. He was pathetic.

[DBroncos4life]

what are you talking about? When the going got rough in the second half, they didnt let him throw, they just pounded it out on the ground the entire second half. He was pathetic.



He also had a concussion. He made throws when he had to but when you are running the ball like that why the hell would they throw the ball socal???

[SoCalBronco]

He also had a concussion. He made throws when he had to but when you are running the ball like that why the hell would they throw the ball socal???

No he didnt really make the throws when he had to. They punted several times in the third quarter before they went into full run it mode because of incomplete's on third down. I dont get this. Did he grow up in Nebraska or something?

[DBroncos4life]

No he didnt really make the throws when he had to. They punted several times in the third quarter before they went into full run it mode because of incomplete's on third down. I dont get this. Did he grow up in Nebraska or something?



No but I can tell that he isn't a Cane either. Come on SoCal you are one of the best posters here, the best in my eyes but you aren't in the same planet when it comes to Leinart. Comparing him to Doresy? Come on now.

[SoCalBronco]

No but I can tell that he isn't a Cane either. Come on SoCal you are one of the best posters here, the best in my eyes but you aren't in the same planet when it comes to Leinart. Comparing him to Doresy? Come on now.

Matt is having yet another mediocre game against a bad opponent. Cheers.

[DBroncos4life]

Matt is having yet another mediocre game against a bad opponent. Cheers.


363 yards and 2 tds is a bad game? Damn you must not like any QB in college.

[SpringStein]

If by some quirk of fate, we end up with Leinart, will you still be a Broncos fan, SoCal?? ;)

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Well SoCal, at least you have one supporter of your side of the story. I heard Peter King this morning saying many scouts are worried about Leinart's lack of arm strength and the fact that he plays on such a great team.

[DrFate]

SoCal,
You watch a whole lot more college football than I do. Other than Leinart (who I know you are down on), which QBs are on your radar as 2nd or 3rd round picks?

(I am firmly convinced that there is no way that the Broncos spend a pick on a QB in round 1, unless somebody who is rated top 5 fell 20 spots or so)

[SoCalBronco]

If by some quirk of fate, we end up with Leinart, will you still be a Broncos fan, SoCal?? ;)

Yes ofcourse, but I would be pissed. Not as pissed as when we got Gold, but still id be really going nuts.

[SoCalBronco]

SoCal,
You watch a whole lot more college football than I do. Other than Leinart (who I know you are down on), which QBs are on your radar as 2nd or 3rd round picks?

(I am firmly convinced that there is no way that the Broncos spend a pick on a QB in round 1, unless somebody who is rated top 5 fell 20 spots or so)

There are some decent guys who will be there in the 2nd/3rd. Big Guy has been pushing for Pinegar and he is a fine 2nd-3rd round prospect. That might be a guy who we take a close look at. Brodie Croyle is another nice athletic prospect who is a good dropback passer as well. He has some injury concerns but still looks like he could be something decent. Despite the fact that Wannstedt and Cavanaugh have totally ****ed him up (and thereby ****ed his draft positioning up), Tyler Palko is still a fine QB prospect with potential. Walt Harris before he was forced out did a fine job developing the kid and he is a nice talent.