Al Wilson getting burned by a 4th String TE

[Mediator12]

This is exactly the thing Al Wilson needed. He keeps saying the defense can be great, but they have to make plays. Well AL, that starts with YOU! He has got to make that play in the regular season. HE HAS TO :cuss:

It's that type of crap that let this team down in the second half of the year AL. Great players walk the walk, and STFU. Enough Hype and more Hitting and playmaking. Kick Some ass and take names and STFU :militia:

[bloodsunday]

This is exactly the thing Al Wilson needed. He keeps saying the defense can be great, but they have to make plays. Well AL, that starts with YOU! He has got to make that play in the regular season. HE HAS TO :cuss:

It's that type of crap that let this team down in the second half of the year AL. Great players walk the walk, and STFU. Enough Hype and more Hitting and playmaking. Kick Some ass and take names and STFU :militia:
Yeah that worried me. I think Al needs to pick it up if this defense is going to be "special".

[Mile High Shack]

I’ve been criticized before for saying it

But ever since he got the big contract, he hasn’t played as well IMO

He’ll make a spectacular play, but then disappear for 3 quarters

[bloodsunday]

But ever since he got the big contract, he hasn’t played as well IMO
Your point is well taken and certainly consistent with my analysis of Al. However, I am not sure if the contract changed him. I think as fans we expect more for that money and are perhaps more critical of him. Nonetheless, I don't see a 42 million dollar player when I watch Al Wilson. That's the plain and simple truth.

[Mediator12]

I’ve been criticized before for saying it

But ever since he got the big contract, he hasn’t played as well IMO

He’ll make a spectacular play, but then disappear for 3 quarters

It is credible criticism MHS. He does get schemed by opposing OC's, but he still needs to make more PLAYS! Ian, DJ, and an Improved DT group should help him be more free this year.

The TD was a blitz were he took an inside technique to stop the quick throw and the TE ran past him after he bit inside. Ferguson took his deep help outside, so one of them screwed up big time leaving the seam wide open. Major Mistake :cuss:

[Paladin]

It looked to me that AW was trying to protect the inside move, but the TE went outside. That is where I think the S is supposed to help out. Now, that is speculation on my part, but it is not so far fetched to think that Wilson didn't screw up as much as some here would have believed. Looked to me that it was a good call against the D that was trying a blitz and the latter got caught with their hands reaching. Exhibition Game 1. No game plan? Trying different looks? Working on timing? Working on communication? I wonder.


I have, of course, never seen that sort of play before on the football field! Obviously, the Texans are sooooo inferior that they should never, ever complete a pass play against the Denver D. But since they did, then Al Wilson should be kicked to the curb. The Broncos would be lucky to get a pile of gum wrappers for him in a trade. Shouldn't we start a "Trade Wilson" thread?




Yeah, right.

[Mediator12]

It looked to me that AW was trying to protect the inside move, but the TE went outside. That is where I think the S is supposed to help out. Now, that is speculation on my part, but it is not so far fetched to think that Wilson didn't screw up as much as some here would have believed. Looked to me that it was a good call against the D that was trying a blitz and the latter got caught with their hands reaching. Exhibition Game 1. No game plan? Trying different looks? Working on timing? Working on communication? I wonder.


I have, of course, never seen that sort of play before on the football field! Obviously, the Texans are sooooo inferior that they should never, ever complete a pass play against the Denver D. But since they did, then Al Wilson should be kicked to the curb. The Broncos would be lucky to get a pile of gum wrappers for him in a trade. Shouldn't we start a "Trade Wilson" thread?




Yeah, right.

Get a clue. Then stop posting stupid dramatic crap about trading one of the best MLB's in the game.

Al Wilson Tried to Jump the route KNOWING it was a blitz. The TE Never made a move and Wilson did not jam him inside of Five yards. The Safety Ferguson started directly to cover deep outside and unless he made the wrong presnap read was NOT at fault.

[bloodsunday]

I have, of course, never seen that sort of play before on the football field! Obviously, the Texans are sooooo inferior that they should never, ever complete a pass play against the Denver D.
Do I detect some sarcasim here? Sure its the preseason, but your starting D only plays a few series and that's all you to analyze them on. Right now I'd say the results are mixed. The goal line stand was a positive, but they tackled poorly and the Texans (the 19th ranked O last season) moved the ball rather easily. To make matters worse, neither the QB or the TE on that play are stars in this league. If that was Antonio Gates catching the ball, or Petyon Manning throwing it, then I might not be so discouraged by it.

But since they did, then Al Wilson should be kicked to the curb. The Broncos would be lucky to get a pile of gum wrappers for him in a trade. Shouldn't we start a "Trade Wilson" thread?
I'd trade him. We could do alot with 42 million worth of cap space. And we could give Pierce or some other young guy a chance. I think Al is a good football player, but hardly worth 7 million a year. And know this, the point is not about the one play. I have felt that Al was a bit overrated for a few years now. Of course, we'd never trade him midseason, but I am thinking down the road when his contract ecelerates and we need the $$ to improve other areas of the team.

[Play2win]

I think once our front 4 solidify, and our whole D is on the same page, ALL of our LBs are going to make plays.

And I fully expect AL WILSON to be leading the Charge!! :charge:

[Mile High Shack]

that's my criticism of Al

he seems to be out of position quite a bit and he is a little older so his speed can't make up for those kinds of mistakes anymore

[fontaine]

I'd trade him. We could do alot with 42 million worth of cap space. And we could give Pierce or some other young guy a chance. I think Al is a good football player, but hardly worth 7 million a year. And know this, the point is not about the one play. I have felt that Al was a bit overrated for a few years now. Of course, we'd never trade him midseason, but I am thinking down the road when his contract ecelerates and we need the $$ to improve other areas of the team.

Wilson's cap charge last year was slightly less than $2million. He did make around $7million in total salary but I suspect the high cap charge years kick in towards the end of the deal and Al won't see a lot of that $42million as the deal will the restructured/renegotiated or he'll be cut.

[OrangeShadow]

Thats what pre season is for,ironing out mistakes etc.

[Pat Bowlen]

I have, of course, never seen that sort of play before on the football field! Obviously, the Texans are sooooo inferior that they should never, ever complete a pass play against the Denver D. But since they did, then Al Wilson should be kicked to the curb. The Broncos would be lucky to get a pile of gum wrappers for him in a trade. Shouldn't we start a "Trade Wilson" thread?


Yeah, right.
Calm down.

[Paladin]

"Get a clue. Then stop posting stupid dramatic crap about trading one of the best MLB's in the game.

Al Wilson Tried to Jump the route KNOWING it was a blitz. The TE Never made a move and Wilson did not jam him inside of Five yards. The Safety Ferguson started directly to cover deep outside and unless he made the wrong presnap read was NOT at fault."

"The TD was a blitz were he took an inside technique to stop the quick throw and the TE ran past him after he bit inside. Ferguson took his deep help outside, so one of them screwed up big time leaving the seam wide open. Major Mistake"<!-- / message -->

LOL! Why don't you get a clue? What? Your sarcasm button is stuck again? Funny you can send but you just don't recieve. Read your own posts, boy.

[clarker]

How could anyone not tell that Paladin was making fun of the over reaction of one play?

[Odysseus]

How could anyone not tell that Paladin was making fun of the over reaction of one play?

Well Golly Gee Opie! What kind of fish do you have there?

[NFLBRONCO]

I’ve been criticized before for saying it

But ever since he got the big contract, he hasn’t played as well IMO

He’ll make a spectacular play, but then disappear for 3 quarters

Your not alone I feel the same way about Wilson and I'll add Pryce to the list. I know fans of these guys will say look where we ranked in total D last year. I'm one of few fans that think stats are overrated.

I will not believe this D is anything more then what we had last several years until our best players show up on a constant basis at crucial times. Plus getting turnovers.

If Trevor and Wilson were like Rod Smith in consistancy we might be real good on D. People give Watts a hard time about catching the ball in the clutch. Why don't more people expect more out of Wilson and Pryce and others? Is it I was a pro bowler before we get a pass on giving them more of a hard time.

[Rigs11]

I thought he made up for it in that goal line stand though. He was flying around and made some good hits.

[maven]

Your not alone I feel the same way about Wilson and I'll add Pryce to the list. I know fans of these guys will say look where we ranked in total D last year. I'm one of few fans that think stats are overrated.

People give Watts a hard time about catching the ball in the clutch. Why don't more people expect more out of Wilson and Pryce and others? Is it I was a pro bowler before we get a pass on giving them more of a hard time.

I also have the same sentiment as well...

Watts gets a pass because this is his 2nd year. Now if we're still talking about Watts during season 4, then he deserves all the flak received.

[Kaylore]

Al Wilson is attacked in a lot of offensive schemes. I think with all of our linebackers being a threat, he'll be allowed to make more plays this season. I hardly think he's "overrated".

[Odysseus]

I am always hard on this defense. They make a lot of mistakes and are never called for it. The biggest problem is execution. They have the skillset but they just refuse to execute. They always have a reason NOT to do something but don't realize that if you are telling me WHY you didn't do it after you blew it it's called an excuse NOT a rational explaination.

The Broncos are trying to balance the modern football players demands with what works on the football field and it's not easy.

[sirhcyennek81]

Ball was thrown perfectly, TE gave no indication the ball was on the way until he caught it. Al was right there, still happens. Case in point, Buchanon had perect coverage on lelie, just could not locate the ball. Besides, it was game one of preseason. chill out.

[ncjmirabile]

Your not alone I feel the same way about Wilson and I'll add Pryce to the list. I know fans of these guys will say look where we ranked in total D last year. I'm one of few fans that think stats are overrated.

I will not believe this D is anything more then what we had last several years until our best players show up on a constant basis at crucial times. Plus getting turnovers.

If Trevor and Wilson were like Rod Smith in consistancy we might be real good on D. People give Watts a hard time about catching the ball in the clutch. Why don't more people expect more out of Wilson and Pryce and others? Is it I was a pro bowler before we get a pass on giving them more of a hard time.

I think Pryce has showed up. In 2003, his double teams freed up others like Hayward and Berry to make plays. If stats are overrated, then it should apply both ways. Pryce can be judged also by the performance of others on the d-line.

[clarker]

Well Golly Gee Opie! What kind of fish do you have there?Huh, What are you talking about. Quit drinking early in the day.

[Mediator12]

"Get a clue. Then stop posting stupid dramatic crap about trading one of the best MLB's in the game.

Al Wilson Tried to Jump the route KNOWING it was a blitz. The TE Never made a move and Wilson did not jam him inside of Five yards. The Safety Ferguson started directly to cover deep outside and unless he made the wrong presnap read was NOT at fault."

"The TD was a blitz were he took an inside technique to stop the quick throw and the TE ran past him after he bit inside. Ferguson took his deep help outside, so one of them screwed up big time leaving the seam wide open. Major Mistake"<!-- / message -->

LOL! Why don't you get a clue? What? Your sarcasm button is stuck again? Funny you can send but you just don't recieve. Read your own posts, boy.

Sarcasm is not a diatribe so lengthy that I have to read it four times in order to even make a distinction on whether you were serious or not. The sheer number of points lends itself to hysteria rather than sarcasm.

That being said, if you were being sarcastic, then I simply failed to read it. My Apologies :notworthy

[Bronx33]

What? they wanted a 1 on 1 match up with TE and LB how the heck is wilson suppose to defend a play like that? yes they got a TD and it was a pretty play executed to perfection,the way i saw it wilson was there to make the tackle just not in time.And on top of that i beleive we were on the blitz which gave the texans the match they were looking for.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Huh, What are you talking about. Quit drinking early in the day.

Clarker - If Tiger is in Iraq, it is plenty late in the day to be drinking. Now if he was in Iowa......

[Broncoman13]

Sarcasm is not a diatribe so lengthy that I have to read it four times in order to even make a distinction on whether you were serious or not. The sheer number of points lends itself to hysteria rather than sarcasm.

That being said, if you were being sarcastic, then I simply failed to read it. My Apologies :notworthy



Glad he explained it to you b/c I was confused too!!!

hahaha...I think???

[Drek]

I'm not real worried about Al. My biggest criticism on him is that he'll make mistakes trying to do too much because he's fast plus the captain, plus playing from mid-field. He forces too hard trying to make sideline to sideline plays when sometimes he just needs to chill out, stay in within what the play calls for him to do, and work from there.

I think this year he'll be helped out greatly in that because he has two very fast OLBs, both of whom he's familiar playing with and trusts the skills of, plus he should have a much improved DL keeping him from feeling like the first, last, and only line of defense against up the gut running.

Here's the thing though, for all of Wilson's great atributes he's simply not going to be a big cover guy in my opinion. He isn't Ray Lewis, getting a handful of deflections in big games. He's a monster at stopping the run, backing up the line, and bringing down recievers for minimal gain however. Our defense needs to scheme away from letting Wilson get exposed in coverage, keep DJ or Ian primarily covering the TEs instead.

[Bronx33]

I'm not real worried about Al. My biggest criticism on him is that he'll make mistakes trying to do too much because he's fast plus the captain, plus playing from mid-field. He forces too hard trying to make sideline to sideline plays when sometimes he just needs to chill out, stay in within what the play calls for him to do, and work from there.

I think this year he'll be helped out greatly in that because he has two very fast OLBs, both of whom he's familiar playing with and trusts the skills of, plus he should have a much improved DL keeping him from feeling like the first, last, and only line of defense against up the gut running.

Here's the thing though, for all of Wilson's great atributes he's simply not going to be a big cover guy in my opinion. He isn't Ray Lewis, getting a handful of deflections in big games. He's a monster at stopping the run, backing up the line, and bringing down recievers for minimal gain however. Our defense needs to scheme away from letting Wilson get exposed in coverage, keep DJ or Ian primarily covering the TEs instead.


Exactly....

[FADERPROOF]

Al has always been the type of guy that steps up when needed to be, and I don't have a doubt that he'll be there this year still.

Al has that kind of personality about him, he takes charge and is always talking big, I've seen it way back when he was in college, during the SEC championship game he got all up in Peyton Mainning's face among other big name players on offense at Tennessee and kept yelling that as long as they execute out there then the D will hold and win the game.

It's just the confidence that he has with his team, and he is the man willing to step up and be that big verbal leader out there.

[Paladin]

Sarcasm is not a diatribe so lengthy that I have to read it four times in order to even make a distinction on whether you were serious or not. The sheer number of points lends itself to hysteria rather than sarcasm.

That being said, if you were being sarcastic, then I simply failed to read it. My Apologies :notworthy

Accepted:

^5

BTW: Sarcastic comments can be of any length from one well-placed word to a full essay. Churchill was a master of the former while Jonathan Swift gave a great example in his early essay, "A Modest Proposal."

(End lesson.)

[Mediator12]

I'm not real worried about Al. My biggest criticism on him is that he'll make mistakes trying to do too much because he's fast plus the captain, plus playing from mid-field. He forces too hard trying to make sideline to sideline plays when sometimes he just needs to chill out, stay in within what the play calls for him to do, and work from there.

I think this year he'll be helped out greatly in that because he has two very fast OLBs, both of whom he's familiar playing with and trusts the skills of, plus he should have a much improved DL keeping him from feeling like the first, last, and only line of defense against up the gut running.

Here's the thing though, for all of Wilson's great atributes he's simply not going to be a big cover guy in my opinion. He isn't Ray Lewis, getting a handful of deflections in big games. He's a monster at stopping the run, backing up the line, and bringing down recievers for minimal gain however. Our defense needs to scheme away from letting Wilson get exposed in coverage, keep DJ or Ian primarily covering the TEs instead.

OK. :kiddingme

Al Wilson has been the premier Coverage MLB in the league for five years. Most OC's do not see the types of coverages he does. Ray Lewis gets all kinds of help in coverage, in fact it is the weakest part of his game. MLB's are NOT typically good in Coverage, but your dreaming for sure if you think it is a weak link in AL's game.

[Mediator12]

Good Lord people. The Play was a zone Blitz with AL having Deep Middle responsibilites and he got cocky, Freelanced and got BURNED! Two DT's had the short underneath middle and AL neglected his Responsibiity and Guessed. He was never supposed to come forward at all, he was supposed to drop.

[Ballhawk]

Whoever gives up a TD on this team should be cut!!:)

[Mediator12]

Whoever gives up a TD on this team should be cut!!:)

There you go ballhawk, that's the Spirit. !Booya!

BTW, Trevor Pryce looked like S*** in that game along with the entire first team DL. The Texans ragtag OL pushed them out of every gap and there was zero penetration. The LB's had NO Holes to Fill since their were Texans covering the DL up at every position.

Some of that was the early Vanilla Base 4-3 with Deep cover safety's, but the penetration fromn the DL we have heard about from Camp WAS NONEXISTENT until the goaline stand.

[Ballhawk]

There you go ballhawk, that's the Spirit. !Booya!

BTW, Trevor Pryce looked like S*** in that game along with the entire first team DL. The Texans ragtag OL pushed them out of every gap and there was zero penetration. The LB's had NO Holes to Fill since their were Texans covering the DL up at every position.

Some of that was the early Vanilla Base 4-3 with Deep cover safety's, but the penetration fromn the DL we have heard about from Camp WAS NONEXISTENT until the goaline stand.

The Dline play was discouraging, but they showed that they have it in them. Now it is just up to the coaches to get them to do it consistantly.

I am not making excuses for them, but Im not sure how pumped up a Vet line like that is going to get for the first preseason game. Colts game will be a key indicator for us and every Bronco should be pumped up for that game.

[DB-Freak]

Accepted:

^5

BTW: Sarcastic comments can be of any length from one well-placed word to a full essay. Churchill was a master of the former while Jonathan Swift gave a great example in his early essay, "A Modest Proposal."

(End lesson.)

Satire and sarcasm are different things.

[SoCalBronco]

Good Lord people. The Play was a zone Blitz with AL having Deep Middle responsibilites and he got corky, Freelanced and got BURNED! Two DT's had the short underneath middle and AL neglected his Responsibiity and Guessed. He was never supposed to come forward at all, he was supposed to drop.

Al will be fine. He isnt perfect but he's a baller. I think you should be more worried about your unofficial adopt-a-bronco who got stopped dead in his tracks on a blitz and looked pathetic on a one-on-one missed tackle.

[FADERPROOF]

Good Lord people. The Play was a zone Blitz with AL having Deep Middle responsibilites and he got corky, Freelanced and got BURNED! Two DT's had the short underneath middle and AL neglected his Responsibiity and Guessed. He was never supposed to come forward at all, he was supposed to drop.

And yet Champ Bailey had an excuse for everytime he got beat...

1 play in the 1st preseason game, not quite time to hit the panic button on our defensive team leader.

[Mediator12]

Not the panic butoon per se, but definitely stop the freelancing crap. Wilson is a player. He is a Captain. He needs to lead by doing his job and doing it better.

Champ got beat last year many times. Not as much as people tend to believe since most were in a zone coverage, but he did get beat. He was gambling a few times as well and I said so. He needs to be better prepared before the game starts and keep his assignments.

Playcalling is moot if people blow the assignments. Defense is trust and accountability. Al is a leader and needs to act like one with his play. Period.