Shanny on 3 rookie corners

[KansasBronco]

Dave Logan said Mike Shannan is the highest on believe it or not Karl Paymah. He thinks with his size and speed, he can be very special. Interesting.

All 3 corners have played exceptionally well tonight. We have finally found some corners. All the years we have struggled to find one, how funny would it be to have all 3 rookies become finds. Williams has been outstanding on returns and coverage. WOW!

[SoCalBronco]

Woo Hoo.

Med is loving that comment.

I am really impressed with Darrent tonight.

[Rock Chalk]

Paymah may have the most upside, but right now, tonight Darrent is outplaying all of the rooks.

[clarker]

From listening to KOA and what they showed on NFL Network, it looks like Foxworth had a nice night.

[ludo21]

Awesome how all the 3 of you had different views!

DArrent looked great
Paymah awesome potential and alos looked good.
Foxworth also doing well

It would definitiely be insane if we hit on all 3 guys.

[clarker]

Awesome how all the 3 of you had different views!

DArrent looked great
Paymah awesome potential and alos looked good.
Foxworth also doing well

It would definitiely be insane if we hit on all 3 guys.Every time they showed Denver on NFL Network Foxworth was making a play. I don't know how he did the whole night, of course.

I saw Paymah makes some plays to.

Actually it sounds from like they all played well. Good news for the Broncos, but I bet Mark Kiszla or that fat a** from ESPN will not be happy campers.

[baja]

Willie who........

[baja]

And what's a Deltha.........

[Ratboy]

Willie who........

Shadup!

_i_O_i_

[Play2win]

I love all three, but FOX is my favorite.

But I do think that picking Paymah made Middlebrooks expendable, or he was chosen to REPLACE Willie. They made that pick so they could trade or release Willie. Shanahan likes those big, physical Corners that can run. Paymah definitely seems to fit that bill.

As far as Willie goes, the injuries just finally took their toll. You just can't miss 2 successive playoff games because of injuries in back to back seasons, in which your team gets blown out and expect to still be on the team. The team needs player they can depend on. Not only on a good, solid and consistant performance, but JUST TO BE IN THE GAME. I think all three of our Rookie CBs are going to be players the Denver Broncos can depend on for not only a solid performance, but to be there when it counts.

[Kaylore]

Dave Logan said Mike Shannan is the highest on believe it or not Karl Paymah. He thinks with his size and speed, he can be very special. Interesting.

All 3 corners have played exceptionally well tonight. We have finally found some corners. All the years we have struggled to find one, how funny would it be to have all 3 rookies become finds. Williams has been outstanding on returns and coverage. WOW!
I heard this and the way he played tonight has me excited for him. These two things alone are what he needed to have happen for him.

Foxworth is still my favorite just because of how he plays. He's smart. Nonetheless all three looked good tonight and it can only go uphill from here for those guys.

...and thank goodness LeSeur is ok.

[Mediator12]

Thank You! Now I'll just have to do a little finesse work at camp next week !Booya!

[Rock Chalk]

I heard this and the way he played tonight has me excited for him. These two things alone are what he needed to have happen for him.

Foxworth is still my favorite just because of how he plays. He's smart. Nonetheless all three looked good tonight and it can only go uphill from here for those guys.

...and thank goodness LeSeur is ok.
Williams and Foxworth both had PIs on them that I thought were good plays. They were in position and both just barely snubbed their respective receivers which drew the penalty. Both were looking for the ball and both had the position to either break it up or intercept it.

Williams made a kick ass open field tackle that was reminiscent of something Al Wilson would have done.

Paymah I noticed less of, but I did see him on a couple of defensed passes.

Browner was equally impressive, if not thugish at times. He was johnny on the spot on a deep pass that Kennedy, Lynch and Ferguson all would have been beat on (over safety help for the CB, good coverage by CB I think Paymah anyway but Browner made a great play).

Williams two good chances at a return were worth the watch and once we get the blocking on kick returns down I think we got ourselves a field position guy who can cover and tackle. Im sold.

Foxworth did make two boneheaded plays in a row but rookie mistakes are going to happen.

Overall, we still have the same problems as last year though.

[16-JakE-16]

I like them in this order:

1. Williams
2. Foxworth
3. Paymah


Wasn't the rep on Paymah coming out that he got beat too often? Almost like a watered-down Champ.

[watermock]

http://72.22.74.110/BB/image.php?u=2681&dateline=1123990086

I'm totally slayed every time by Khan. I can't even remember what I was going to say I laughed so hard. I started trying to remember the exact moment this photo was taken. I think it is when he has Kirk on the surface stranded but wants to make the Enterprise suffer. Kirk appeals to his instinct and he loses his focus despite his sons pleas.

No sure tho. Since Khan is now in Hell's Perdition, he would have a better analysis than I. BTW, I just gave Beeslebub a can of tuna, and he's pacified. I snuck a bite, but he hogged most of it.

"IF YOU WANT ME KHAN, YOU HAVE TO COME DOWN AND GET ME YOU BASTARD...KHAAAAAAANNNNN...."

[Odysseus]

NOTES

Williams became the first rookie cornerback to start a preseason opener in the Shanahan era.
Alexander caught his first touchdown pass as a Bronco with 13:21 remaining in the second quarter.
Rice made his first reception as a Bronco with 1:55 remaining in the second quarter. The six-yard completion set up third-and-two from the Texans 44-yard line.
The Broncos averaged 5.2 yards per carry in the first half, thanks in large part to a 40-yard scramble by Van Pelt. Van Pelt played in just one series last preseason. He surpassed that number in the first half against Houston.
Van Pelt led Denver's quarterbacks with 107 passing yards, completing 10 of 17 passes. Plummer and Mauck each threw touchdown passes. Plummer went 6-10 for 76 yards and Mauck went 2-3 for 96 yards.
Ron Dayne led Broncos rushers with 56 yards on 11 carries with a long of 23. Van Pelt also scrambled for 45 yards on three runs, one of which was a 40-yard effort.
Todd Devoe led the team's receivers with his 92 yards from his touchdown reception. charlie Adams also added 43 yards on three receptions.
Todd Sauerbrun punted six times for a 40.2 average and a long of 46.
Darrent Williams returned two kickoffs with a 25-yard average and a long of 26. He also brought back four punts for 10 yards with a long of 14 and one fair catch.

[Odysseus]

I was happy with the CB situation right after the draft. Yes. We needed all three. Yes. All three are going to hit.

No. It's not the same situation as last year. The DL is going to allow us to spread things out and attack with different looks.

It sounds like we have competition at Safety which is a good thing. No loss of step commentary about Lynch is a good thing.

[watermock]

So far, so good, no major injuries, Leseuer was carted off but is ok I think.

Sounds like all our green corners are playing fairly well. If D. Williams is surrounded I want him to just catch the damn ball. He did. Where in the hell is the blocking? We had a block on every time? This is getting rediculous.

If the guy is around 4 guys when he takes the ball he snags it. He should of fair catched, but it shows balls he didn't. Still, he will learn that. I'm sure he wanted to take off each time. Being over agressive I will take over being lazy.

I didn't see video tonight, but I guess all 4 of our new secondary played pretty well all things considered. I missed some of the audio, but it seemed like Denver was controling the line of scrimmage but was still having problems in the red zone. I think BVD and Devo will certainly be here for a few more weeks. BVD seems to be kinda marching along, and still has upside. We keep working with him and see where it leads, if he can keep developing.

You can't dismiss Devo's huge play, but you can't read too much into it either. Still, if it comes to him or Rice,I dunno, mock might just go with the kid if he has another good showing.

[Mediator12]

I like them in this order:

1. Williams
2. Foxworth
3. Paymah


Wasn't the rep on Paymah coming out that he got beat too often? Almost like a watered-down Champ.

NO. He played the best versus Mike Williams and Reggie Williams in college. Check out the avatar.

[SoCalBronco]

So Med I bet your thrilled about Shanny's comments on your boy. It seemed like he made some plays as well.

[Mediator12]

So Med I bet your thrilled about Shanny's comments on your boy. It seemed like he made some plays as well.

I'm definitely happy for him. Who gave up the TD's? Anyone remember? Not in the NFL gamebook.

[Broncoman13]

I'm definitely happy for him. Who gave up the TD's? Anyone remember? Not in the NFL gamebook.


The first TD to TE Murphy had Al Wilson and somebody else (couldn't see who) in coverage. Wilson was beat but just barely and could have made a play w/better ball awareness. Really it was a nice play by Carr and Murphy.

The second one had a glut of Broncos in the corner/sideline of the endzone. I don't remember who all was there (about three of them!) but it was another one of those plays that the WR just made (got lucky actually). Honestly, it probably could have come back if Shanny had challenged b/c I'm not sure he ever secured the ball before he went out of bounds.

[Cito Pelon]

The first TD to TE Murphy had Al Wilson and somebody else (couldn't see who) in coverage. Wilson was beat but just barely and could have made a play w/better ball awareness. Really it was a nice play by Carr and Murphy.

The second one had a glut of Broncos in the corner/sideline of the endzone. I don't remember who all was there (about three of them!) but it was another one of those plays that the WR just made (got lucky actually). Honestly, it probably could have come back if Shanny had challenged b/c I'm not sure he ever secured the ball before he went out of bounds.

I had to laugh after Wilson got beat by the TE on the TD pass (not really beat, he was right on the guy, but didn't get his hands up or look around), Rod and Plummer were giving him pointers on how he should have handled it.

[Lestat]

man if we hit on all 3 + Browner all the years of suffering through shoddy CB's with the brain of a goldfish will be worth it

but what happens to Roc in that case? Shoate i think might be gone but not sure

[Cito Pelon]

man if we hit on all 3 + Browner all the years of suffering through shoddy CB's with the brain of a goldfish will be worth it

but what happens to Roc in that case? Shoate i think might be gone but not sure

Roc was on the third-team and ST's second team. Shoate and LeSeur on third-team.

BTW, Mike Leach was the first guy on the scene on almost every punt. And Den had a lot of punts. Houston didn't punt until the second quarter.

[Cito Pelon]

man if we hit on all 3 + Browner all the years of suffering through shoddy CB's with the brain of a goldfish will be worth it

but what happens to Roc in that case? Shoate i think might be gone but not sure

Also, the rooks looked really good. Browner was at 3rd team SS, but was johnny on the spot on the right sideline and got both hands on the ball helping out the CB.

Paymah (spelled "Paymuh" on his jersey for some reason), had one play I liked a lot. Texans tried to sweep right, and Paymah read it perfectly. Came in fast and hard and took the lead blocker out at the knees just as a CB should, enabling the LB to smother the RB. It was textbook.

All the rooks looked very active. They drop back in coverage long enough to recognize that it's a running play, then charge the LOS. And they stop and accelerate really well. They have their heads around early in the play. They're pretty darn good it looks like to me. Gotta get rid of those orange gloves, though, IMO. Looked clownish.

[watermock]

I don't have NFL network, so I'm just going off what others are saying, but it sounds like all 4 had good maiden breakers. I was hoping to hit on 2 of 4. Three of 4 would exceeded it, and if we hit on all 4, while being able to stash Washington's first rounder for next year, I'm absolutely giddy.

And what the heck came over BVD? I had totally given up him. I guess being in the booth last year really helped him understand the field, but it's hard to teach accuracy, but he's a totally different man this year. Dunno if he changed his delivery or what. How about that 40 yard scamper? Now that's what I'm talkin' bout out of your backup, someone that is tough, can scramble and improvise, because so often, your in because the other team had beaten up your starter, or he's blowing chunks, whatever, but often it's desperate times from behind. Having the bloodlines of a LB only excites me more.

He is a wonderful surprise. Sounds like we owned their offensive line, and Brown isn't even out there yet, but will be soon enough. His foot wasn't quite ready yet anyway I think.

[Cito Pelon]

BVP actually looked damn good. His first series was against HOU first team D, and he marched the team down the field. FG was the result I believe. I wish I wouldn't have messed up the tape. BVP made good hot reads on blitzes, and they blitzed him on almost every single play. Not just one blitzer either. Usually two. BVP moved the chains on every possession.

The DL looked ok/good on the interior. The DE's got moved so far out on some running plays there was no chance of contaiining the RB. HOU had some HUGE holes to run through, with both first and second team D. On the right and on the left. The Dl just didn't look all that great, with the exception of HOU trying to run tackle-to-tackle on four straight plays from the one after Darrent's PI call (he actually had excellent coverage, and the call was made only because he had his right arm pushing the receiver off the ball as he was looking around to the left to knock the ball away.)

[baja]

<b>I don't have NFL network, </b>so I'm just going off what others are saying, but it sounds like all 4 had good maiden breakers. I was hoping to hit on 2 of 4. Three of 4 would exceeded it, and if we hit on all 4, while being able to stash Washington's first rounder for next year, I'm absolutely giddy.

And what the heck came over BVD? I had totally given up him. I guess being in the booth last year really helped him understand the field, but it's hard to teach accuracy, but he's a totally different man this year. Dunno if he changed his delivery or what. How about that 40 yard scamper? Now that's what I'm talkin' bout out of your backup, someone that is tough, can scramble and improvise, because so often, your in because the other team had beaten up your starter, or he's blowing chunks, whatever, but often it's desperate times from behind. Having the bloodlines of a LB only excites me more.

He is a wonderful surprise. Sounds like we owned their offensive line, and Brown isn't even out there yet, but will be soon enough. His foot wasn't quite ready yet anyway I think.

How does a prosperous farmer with 1/2 million dollar combines, acreage all over the lower forty and a fleet of tractor trailers not afford himself Direct TV given your obvious passion is the NFL. Just curious.

[watermock]

Who said I was prosperous, we are hanging by a thread. Between losing 13 farms in the 80's when Carter and Volker decided to make interest rates 21 percent and force us into bankrupcy, and my oldest brother abandoning farming to play Pilot, along with my other brother's wife taking him to the cleaners and 5 kids on child support...It's not an option not to spend the money on equipment. We skimp on Semi's, but you can't skimp on equipment in the field. NFL Network is fairly new, but the main reason that I don't have direct TV is because they won't give me CBS locally. I would have to have an antenna, the bastiges. CBS locals are pricks about that. I live in a real dead zone for signals over the air. I have talked to Direct TV reps, and CBS will NOT let direct TV broadcast CBS here, and of course, they carry a full slate of NFL games themselves. I get on average around 12 of 16 Bronco games, All the Viking games, all the Iowa games, and ect ect ect. I get football overload anyway. There are a few other reasons, it's just simpler for me.

[baja]

Who said I was prosperous, we are hanging by a thread. Between losing 13 farms in the 80's when Carter and Volker decided to make interest rates 21 percent and force us into bankrupcy, and my oldest brother abandoning farming to play Pilot, along with my other brother's wife taking him to the cleaners and 5 kids on child support...It's not an option not to spend the money on equipment. We skimp on Semi's, but you can't skimp on equipment in the field. NFL Network is fairly new, but the main reason that I don't have direct TV is because they won't give me CBS locally. I would have to have an antenna, the bastiges. CBS locals are pricks about that. I live in a real dead zone for signals over the air. I have talked to Direct TV reps, and CBS will NOT let direct TV broadcast CBS here, and of course, they carry a full slate of NFL games themselves. I get on average around 12 of 16 Bronco games, All the Viking games, all the Iowa games, and ect ect ect. I get football overload anyway. There are a few other reasons, it's just simpler for me.

Well Mock I have some real good news for you. Send Direct TV a copy of one of your Semi registrations and tell them you want the RV / Truckers package that way you will get CBS East and West along with NBC E/W, ABC E/W and Fox E/W. NFL Channel and Sunday Ticket if you chose.

[16-JakE-16]

Positives: Has good size, playing speed, strength and athletic ability for the position … Displays a smooth backpedal with good breaking and closing ability on the ball … Has the quickness and agility to turn and run with the receiver … Has the ability to accelerate on the the deep ball … Shows good vision and reaction to plays in front of him … Has the strength and size to press the receivers at the line of scrimmage … Has the body control and balance to recover on the move and good quickness to string plays out.

Negatives: Lacks good transition and is slow out of turns at times … Has adequate ball awareness and will sometimes lose sight of the receiver, resulting in the the big catch and big play … Will get out of position and give up plays … Has decent man coverage skills, but lacks good awareness in zone coverage … Will support the run and make tackles, but he will duck his head and miss tackles … He is sometimes slow out of his turn, which causes him to struggle with the fade route.

That's one of Paymah's prospect profiles. Most of them say the same thing.


Sounds like a lesser version of Champ if you ask me ;) It's just through the years I've seen this D give up their share of big plays and I don't want someone like Paymah on the field, I'd rather see Foxworth.

[Cito Pelon]

Having 4 DB rooks drafted in the same year, there's a camaraderie. And these guys have great skills. For those of you that didn't see the telecast, the rooks are fast and skilled. Add that to two solid Corners like the Pro Bowler Bailey and Walls, add in Lynch a 13 year vet that made the Pro Bowl last year at safety, and the DB situation looks good to me.

This orange glove thing has to go, though. It looks like they're clowns no matter how good they're playing. Better squash that fast, IMO.

[Odysseus]

How does a prosperous farmer with 1/2 million dollar combines, acreage all over the lower forty and a fleet of tractor trailers not afford himself Direct TV given your obvious passion is the NFL. Just curious.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to baja fan again.

[TheManeMan]

Still a little too early to think that all 3 CB's are great picks...but, atleast we have some hope that maybe even one of them pan out as a legit NFL CB...

:pray:

Then we can say, Willie and Kelly who...

[Atlas]

http://72.22.74.110/BB/image.php?u=49&dateline=1123999859

Why did you use a pic of Bob as your avatar??

[bloodsunday]

http://72.22.74.110/BB/image.php?u=49&dateline=1123999859

Why did you use a pic of Bob as your avatar??
rep :spit: