View Full Version : Rex Grossman out 3-4 months
Clockwork Orange
08-12-2005, 07:12 PM
Fractured his ankle against the Rams tonight. Per NFL Network.
Ballhawk
08-12-2005, 07:13 PM
Wow he can not catch a break
Bob's your Information Minister
08-12-2005, 07:15 PM
Way to stick his foot in it.
Way to stick his foot in it.
I'm begining to understand why they ran you off the Chiefs planet
elsid13
08-12-2005, 07:20 PM
Way to stick his foot in it.
What an a$$, go play D and D, or something.
Clockwork Orange
08-12-2005, 07:21 PM
The Bears had the makings of a decent offense to go with an already good defense. Nabbing Muhammad at WR, drafting Cedric Benson.....but now they're left with Chad Hutchinson and Kyle Orton at QB.
Bob's your Information Minister
08-12-2005, 07:21 PM
Wow he can not catch a break
Uh, I was just following Ballhawk's lead.
Uh, I was just following Ballhawk's lead.
So do you sit around an wonder why everyone picks on you or do you actually get it, just curious!
Sodak
08-12-2005, 07:26 PM
This thread is bad karma for the Chiefs.
Keep talking Bob, keep talking...
Hulamau
08-12-2005, 07:28 PM
Thats really too bad. I had some hopes for the Bears. This is what I hate about preseason.
Looks like the Cheifs lost fullback Robert Holcombe too. They carted him off from the bench as couldnt even walk to the locker room.
Ballhawk
08-12-2005, 07:28 PM
Uh, I was just following Ballhawk's lead.
I had no pun intended bud, kid has had bad luck. I know that if we drafted a Franchise QB I would hate to see him go down with a couple major injuries. What a shme for Bear fans to see this in the first preseason game.
Jens1893
08-12-2005, 07:28 PM
this is no good for "our" first rounder next year.
Bob's your Information Minister
08-12-2005, 07:29 PM
I had no pun intended bud, kid has had bad luck. I know that if we drafted a Franchise QB I would hate to see him go down with a couple major injuries. What a shme for Bear fans to see this in the first preseason game.
I retract my comments, then.
Garcia Bronco
08-12-2005, 07:30 PM
This thread is bad karma for the Chiefs.
Keep talking Bob, keep talking...
I'm going to go ahead and call it(TM)....the Chiefs will win the Super Bowl.
Clockwork Orange
08-12-2005, 07:30 PM
this is no good for "our" first rounder next year.
Yeah, the Bears play Washington in week 1. :moody:
Sodak
08-12-2005, 07:33 PM
I'm going to go ahead and call it(TM)....the Chiefs will win the Super Bowl.
. LOL
Bob's your Information Minister
08-12-2005, 07:34 PM
No...the Broncos will win the Super Bowl...after beating the Chiefs 3 times during the year.
And Plummer will throw for 40 TDs and 3 interceptions while Green throws 28 picks and only 9 TDs.
Rocket 7
08-12-2005, 07:35 PM
First game on the Rams new turf and this happens.
Jens1893
08-12-2005, 07:35 PM
green would get benched before that, bob ...
Bob's your Information Minister
08-12-2005, 07:37 PM
green would get benched before that, bob ...
Nah, not with Dicky V.
Hulamau
08-12-2005, 07:37 PM
That 3rd string QB for the Vikings, Shaun Hill, is the best thing going for the Squaws.
watermock
08-12-2005, 07:42 PM
Fason looks fairly quick. I thought Bennet looked like crap, but they were scoring at will and their defense was abusing the chefs.
The Vikings are going to have a fairly formidable front 7. So is Denver.
Mock who would pull for if the Vikes and Broncs play in the Super Bowl this year.
Sassy
08-12-2005, 07:50 PM
I'm not positive...but I think the purple runs deeper than the orange & blue ;D
Sodak
08-12-2005, 07:54 PM
Where are you Sassy? East ND? Vikingland, no?
Here in Western SD it's Broncos, but we get our fill of the Vikes every week. I like the Vikes in the NFC and always cheer them to win as long as it benefits the Broncos.
watermock
08-12-2005, 08:11 PM
Mock who would pull for if the Vikes and Broncs play in the Super Bowl this year.
Well in '98 it looked problematic, and I was in a slight panic, yet pleased. I would of rooted for the Broncos. I went ballistic how Green pulled a lay down against Atlanta tho. I couldn't believe it. Some of the worst coaching in history.
elsid13
08-12-2005, 08:11 PM
Who out there for the Bears to pick up? The only "good" thing is early in the preseason, so they have chance to get someone in and learn the playbook.
Sassy
08-12-2005, 08:13 PM
Where are you Sassy? East ND? Vikingland, no?
Here in Western SD it's Broncos, but we get our fill of the Vikes every week. I like the Vikes in the NFC and always cheer them to win as long as it benefits the Broncos.
Yeah...I live in Fargo.
I get tired of all the Vike/Packer hype around here.
Sodak
08-12-2005, 08:34 PM
Yeah...I live in Fargo.
I get tired of all the Vike/Packer hype around here.
Sounds like a very good reason to move. ;D
Broncoman13
08-12-2005, 08:36 PM
Who out there for the Bears to pick up? The only "good" thing is early in the preseason, so they have chance to get someone in and learn the playbook.
Time to make that call for Jeff George again!
Feel bad for the Bears. With a defense ready to break out they could have made the Norris Division very competitive from top to bottom.
They should take a look at getting a guy like Gerrard, Rivers, or Griese/Simms.
Those poor guys couldn't have worse luck with QB's.
watermock
08-12-2005, 08:40 PM
It's not sure if he's alive or dead, but Bud Grant is seen walking the headquarters of Viking Headquarters. He's been said to be carrying a giant Walleye.
I heard the ghost of Jeff George showed but but the ghost of Joe Kapp chased him off.
watermock
08-12-2005, 08:45 PM
The Vikes were crunching the K.C. OL like a wet cracker with first, second, and kinda third string.
They had absolutely no answer for Pat Williams and Kevin Williams, Uzede and James. That's a fearsome foursome. They were crushing the pocket like tin foil. The QB had time to throw, but the vikings didn't really blitz, and he got one read and had to release. 3 field goals is fine with this Hornead. No big deal, but the Viking DL looks well, dominant. The Chef OL isn't crap, and they beat them like red headed stepchildren if anyone saw the game. Green was able to get off a pass, but he wasn't able to look down to second or third recievers. They scored nine points. Their first tier line looked tired.
elsid13
08-12-2005, 08:48 PM
Time to make that call for Jeff George again!
Feel bad for the Bears. With a defense ready to break out they could have made the Norris Division very competitive from top to bottom.
They should take a look at getting a guy like Gerrard, Rivers, or Griese/Simms.
Those poor guys couldn't have worse luck with QB's.
Maybe the Skins will trade them Ramsey for Bear 1st. Please oh Please let this happen.
Bob's your Information Minister
08-12-2005, 08:54 PM
The Vikes were crunching the K.C. OL like a wet cracker with first, second, and kinda third string.
You are lying. The Chiefs offensive line looked great. They were running the hell out of the ball.
And Kevin Sampson, who was supposed to be a weak link according to you guys, had a great game.
The Vikings didn't really blitz? They were blitzing every other play.
elsid13
08-12-2005, 08:56 PM
You are lying. The Chiefs offensive line looked great. They were running the hell out of the ball.
And Kevin Sampson, who was supposed to be a weak link according to you guys, had a great game.
The Vikings didn't really blitz? They were blitzing every other play.
Didn't you post that you couldn't see the game, and had to wait to Sunday???? What gives boob ??????
Bob's your Information Minister
08-12-2005, 08:57 PM
Didn't you post that you couldn't see the game, and had to wait to Sunday???? What gives boob ??????
I listened to it on the radio. And people who WERE watching it echoed my above post. Including Dick Vermeil. Minnesota was blitzing a ridiculously high number of times for a preseason game.
watermock
08-12-2005, 09:01 PM
You are lying. The Chiefs offensive line looked great. They were running the hell out of the ball.
And Kevin Sampson, who was supposed to be a weak link according to you guys, had a great game.
The Vikings didn't really blitz? They were blitzing every other play.
How does the line look great when they produce 9 points before a garbage TD late in the 4th quarter. Umm, Bob, that's three field goals. Denver's line totally dominated. Your blind.
How amusing. The vikings were crunching thru like tin foil. Green had one read. No time to look off, he was facing some beast. It's not important you believe me. Kansas City couldn't score a touchdown till serious garbage time. I didn't see the vikings blitz and they got solid pressure.
Bob's your Information Minister
08-12-2005, 09:03 PM
How amusing. The vikings were crunching thru like tin foil. Green had one read. No time to look off, he was facing some beast. It's not important you believe me. Kansas City couldn't score a touchdown till serious garbage time. I didn't see the vikings blitz and they got solid pressure.
They blitzed a ton. And the Chiefs marched right down the field, so who cares? We didn't even have Will Shields or Kennison.
watermock
08-12-2005, 09:08 PM
Your crazy. We didn't blitz at all. They marched right down the field to what again? 3 fieild goal and a gimme TD after the game was over? They marched right down the field for three field goals?
KC didn't score till the 5th sringers were on the field you moron.
Broncoman13
08-12-2005, 09:08 PM
On a lighter note the Astros finally got to Zach Duke... I don't think he took the loss but he only lasted 4 innings and gave up four runs. Glad to see it was my boys that finally got to him!
Bob's your Information Minister
08-12-2005, 09:09 PM
Your crazy. We didn't blitz at all. They marched right down the field to what again? 3 fieild goal and a gimme TD after the game was over? They marched right down the field for three field goals?
KC didn't score till the 5th sringers were on the field you moron.
They got stopped at the 1-yard line. Priest is in, they score.
PRESEASON IS MEANINGLESS. WE SHOULD BOTH SHUT UP!
watermock
08-12-2005, 09:10 PM
The Vikings slapped you so hard that by the end of the first quarter it was over.
Bob's your Information Minister
08-12-2005, 09:12 PM
The Vikings slapped you so hard that by the end of the first quarter it was over.
We lost a preseason game. I'm crushed.
Broncoman13
08-12-2005, 09:13 PM
Mock the Vikings blitzed a lot!!!
Drop another Quarter in the slot and sit back for another 30 minutes of commedy!
They blitzed a ton. And the Chiefs marched right down the field, so who cares? We didn't even have Will Shields or Kennison.
You are right Bob I'd lay down a grand to win the SB if I had your confidence
Play2win
08-12-2005, 09:44 PM
Thats the season, folks...
3-4 months, my arse.
god-speed, but next year is his best hope, IMHO
SpringStein
08-12-2005, 09:48 PM
The Bears had the makings of a decent offense to go with an already good defense. Nabbing Muhammad at WR, drafting Cedric Benson.....but now they're left with Chad Hutchinson and Kyle Orton at QB.
I bet Tim Couch will be there soon.
Crushaholic
08-13-2005, 12:32 AM
Kyle Orton looked impressive in the HOF game. I would start him next game, if I was Lovie Smith. I know Chad Hutchison is "officially" the backup, but he was very inconsistent in the game against Miami.
SoCalBronco
08-13-2005, 12:37 AM
I listened to it on the radio. And people who WERE watching it echoed my above post. Including Dick Vermeil. Minnesota was blitzing a ridiculously high number of times for a preseason game.
Thats right Bob. Vermeil is going to say, nah the Queens werent blitzing, we just got raped by the front four. And so what even if they were blitzing, your supposed to pick it up. Maybe I didnt get the memo, but dont the OL also work in training camp?
I don't see the big deal. Orton is the best QB they had anyways. Grossman has the talent, but he forces like mad which leads to more bonehead mistakes than Jake could even make. Orton is a talented passer who should have gone higher in this last draft than he did. If they show some faith in Orton, make sure he gets lots of snaps now in pre-season, they'll be ready to roll come opening day.
They do need to get Benson signed if they haven't yet though. They are going to need him to be a horse.
elsid13
08-13-2005, 06:31 AM
I don't see the big deal. Orton is the best QB they had anyways. Grossman has the talent, but he forces like mad which leads to more bonehead mistakes than Jake could even make. Orton is a talented passer who should have gone higher in this last draft than he did. If they show some faith in Orton, make sure he gets lots of snaps now in pre-season, they'll be ready to roll come opening day.
They do need to get Benson signed if they haven't yet though. They are going to need him to be a horse.
You think Smith really want to rely upon a rookie to run the show, especially with the investment they made in off season in the getting the O back on track. I think that Bear might trade for QB, since the Free Agents out there are garbage. What the name of the second stringer in Jax? he free agent next year so maybe Jax willing to deal
Northman
08-13-2005, 06:34 AM
I don't see the big deal. Orton is the best QB they had anyways. Grossman has the talent, but he forces like mad which leads to more bonehead mistakes than Jake could even make. Orton is a talented passer who should have gone higher in this last draft than he did. If they show some faith in Orton, make sure he gets lots of snaps now in pre-season, they'll be ready to roll come opening day.
They do need to get Benson signed if they haven't yet though. They are going to need him to be a horse.
Dude, you are crazy. Grossman has only been in the league a couple of years so of course he is going to make mistakes. but here we have Jake who has been in the league quite a well longer still making rookie mistakes. Orton has played what? 1 preseason game and you've declared him the best Qb on that team? talk about stretching.
Kordell, are you close to your phone?
You think Smith really want to rely upon a rookie to run the show, especially with the investment they made in off season in the getting the O back on track. Grossman has played six reg. season games in his whole damn career, with a 71 QB rating average. To me that doesn't seem to be a whole hell of a lot better than a rookie.
Lovie Smith can teach Orton to be a safe QB who won't kill the team trying to make plays if he gets a lot of live action in pre-season. Grossman will never be that. For '06 they have a better chance winning with Orton at QB, living off the defense and Cedric Benson, than having Grossman trying to make plays that result in turnovers.
Grossman was always a playmaker in college, he's bringing that same trait to the NFL. He might grow into it and if he does he'll be miles better than Orton, but if you're the Bears and you want to win now you want someone who won't make mistakes. Thats Orton, he's an intelligent QB with good mechanics. Make sure he knows his role and he'll give you methodical, consistant performance that you can win with. The playoffs would be a real stretch, but they were with Grossman as well. With Orton you have a realistic shot at .500 or better on year, and for the Bears thats a big step up.
Of course, a big part of the potential for Orton to succeed is because he can be a strictly pocket QB behind a very good OL. Grossman doesn't benefit as much from it because he's so willing to take risks in order to make plays that he keeps a play on life support well after he should have pulled the plug.
Old Dude
08-13-2005, 07:17 AM
Crap development for the Bears.
Grossman was actually looking pretty good early last season, before he blew the knee.
The backup is Hutchinson, which sounds horrid, but not as horrid as what the Bears had last year. They'll lose ground here, but maybe not as much as most people think. The bigger problem is that it once again stalls Grossman's development. It's too soon to give up on him, so they'll have to work him into the lineup when he gets healthy again. But he'll be two years behind in his development. (and with the fragile tag, to boot)
The direct beneficiaries are the other teams in the NFC north.
Green Bay's defense still looks terrible and the O-Line is coming apart. I think it's now betwen the Lions and the Vikes, with the Vikes having a big edge at QB.
elsid13
08-13-2005, 07:35 AM
Grossman has played six reg. season games in his whole damn career, with a 71 QB rating average. To me that doesn't seem to be a whole hell of a lot better than a rookie.
Lovie Smith can teach Orton to be a safe QB who won't kill the team trying to make plays if he gets a lot of live action in pre-season. Grossman will never be that. For '06 they have a better chance winning with Orton at QB, living off the defense and Cedric Benson, than having Grossman trying to make plays that result in turnovers.
Grossman was always a playmaker in college, he's bringing that same trait to the NFL. He might grow into it and if he does he'll be miles better than Orton, but if you're the Bears and you want to win now you want someone who won't make mistakes. Thats Orton, he's an intelligent QB with good mechanics. Make sure he knows his role and he'll give you methodical, consistant performance that you can win with. The playoffs would be a real stretch, but they were with Grossman as well. With Orton you have a realistic shot at .500 or better on year, and for the Bears thats a big step up.
Of course, a big part of the potential for Orton to succeed is because he can be a strictly pocket QB behind a very good OL. Grossman doesn't benefit as much from it because he's so willing to take risks in order to make plays that he keeps a play on life support well after he should have pulled the plug.
I agree with you on Grossman, and your argument on Orton has merit. But I was seeing this team have chance of going 9-7 with Rex. That would have giving them a chance at the playoff in NFC. If the get a vetern QB they still have a chance to win 8/9. A rookie even if does plays like Trent Difler did for ravens won't help them win 7 wins. Why not trade for back-up rather then settle for Kordell Stewart???
rbackfactory80
08-13-2005, 08:19 AM
Bad break for the bears. This team looked actually good with there oline and some sort of a verticle threat.
watermock
08-13-2005, 09:08 AM
Mock who would pull for if the Vikes and Broncs play in the Super Bowl this year.
The Broncos...I better say that or Meck won't let me on the bus in Detroit. Seriously, it's Broncos for me. If both met in Detroit however, there would probably be a more partisan crowd for the HornHeads up in the Norris. Hell, the ghost of Bud Grant would be appearing like Elvis. I read that literally, Bud Grant is occasionally still seen in the halls at Viking headquarters like Elvis. He still has an office there believe it or not. He's a legend. I'm pretty sure he's still with us. He's got to be in his 90's. He was quite the outdoorsman. He's probably still fighting Muskies up there. No not Ruskies, Muskies, altho he would probably dust off his shotgun if the Ruskies came down thru Frenchie Canada.
When Denver rallied to beat the Jets? and the HornHeads looked like they had vanquished Atlanta before an inexplicable meltdown, the two teams were a combined 0-8 in SuperBowls. I felt like Jobe. I felt that at least one HAD to win, but expected one to win then be found cheating and disqualified with no winner announced. That was par for the course till our B2B Lombardis. Man, that finally took the monkey off our backs. Minnesota is carrying around a gorilla.
watermock
08-13-2005, 09:24 AM
I really feel bad for Rex. I don't wish injury on my worst enemy. He's been rehabbing a knee or something, not sure, for over a year, now he might be headed for IR after the first freaking preseason game. Some players (like C. Brown) just seem to have a dark cloud following them around over their head. It's odd, because many times the guys who seem to have the worst luck are good guys. I can't testify for Rex being a saint, but I haven't heard anything real negative about him than typical college smack. Sucks they play Washington week one. Who's the backup there? What clown beat us at home a couple years ago? That was rediculous and a perfect example that we haven't recaptured a true home field advantage. We better find our Mojo this year with home games against NE, Philly, and SD.
illbroncsfn
08-13-2005, 12:18 PM
This development could work out for Denver as Chicago may tire of Grossman's inability to stay healthy and cut Grossman, who could then come in next season to be a very legit #2 QB for the Broncos...
Breck Bronc
08-13-2005, 12:30 PM
When Denver rallied to beat the Jets? and the HornHeads looked like they had vanquished Atlanta before an inexplicable meltdown, the two teams were a combined 0-8 in SuperBowls. I felt like Jobe. I felt that at least one HAD to win, but expected one to win then be found cheating and disqualified with no winner announced. That was par for the course till our B2B Lombardis. Man, that finally took the monkey off our backs. Minnesota is carrying around a gorilla.I guess Mock the huge Broncos fan forgot Denver already won Super Bowl XXXII the previous season. Because most of us Broncos fan forget inconsequential stuff like that.
Breck Bronc
08-13-2005, 12:42 PM
I really feel bad for Rex. I don't wish injury on my worst enemy. That's funny, because just last week you said it would be funny if Edgerrin James tore up his knee in the Colts/Falcons game in Japan.
watermock
08-13-2005, 12:58 PM
Well If I said that I want the whole post. I think the context was he would be better off signing a long term contract. I don't remember saying that at all. Go pull the post. I might of said it would be funny if he busts his knee without signing a new contract before he takes the field.
Pull up the post where I wished Edge to get injured.
WaffleBoy
08-13-2005, 01:04 PM
Redskins, 1-0? The Bears should trade for Mock's boy, Ragone or Rivers.
The Boy Wonder :super:
Breck Bronc
08-13-2005, 01:23 PM
Well If I said that I want the whole post. I think the context was he would be better off signing a long term contract. I don't remember saying that at all. Go pull the post. I might of said it would be funny if he busts his knee without signing a new contract before he takes the field.
Pull up the post where I wished Edge to get injured.I'm sorry, you said it would be "worth it" if Edge busts up a knee, not funny.
Great, it's 1:40 central. If Edge busts a knee it will be worth it tho. The guy is going to make over 8 million guaranteed, (franchise offers are guaranteed), and he's whining.
http://72.22.74.110/BB/showthread.php?t=28759
watermock
08-13-2005, 02:18 PM
Great, it's 1:40 central. If Edge busts a knee it will be worth it tho. The guy is going to make over 8 million guaranteed, (franchise offers are guaranteed), and he's whining.
Ok, it was out of line. I apolgize. The guy is going to make 8 million and is whining like a baby without a teat tho. Second, the guy said he wouldn't fly to Japan because he was "scared of flying". Last time I checked, he flew for every road game for the past 5 years, and with Miami well before that.
Go prop up the flavor clown. I should not of made the comment, but his behavior stands for itself.
The point was that he could bust his knee and still make 8 million, because franchise offers are guaranteed contracts if you even drop dead.
Why not trade for back-up rather then settle for Kordell Stewart??? I wouldn't trade because I don't think they can get anything worthwhile. Who could they get, Gerrard? Ragone? Neither of those guys are enough of a step up above Orton to warrant the compensation (probably picks) their teams would demand for them.
I totally agree that a quality vet would put them back as an outside shot for the playoffs, but all the quality vets at QB are signed. Its just worthless to pay for someone who isn't significantly better than what you already have.
I'd say that 9-7 was a mildly optimistic season for the Bears as long as Benson gets into camp, Urlacher and Mike Williams stay healthy, and Muhammed can provide something remotely close to what he did last year in Carolina. That was with Grossman, but you'd be betting on his upside. The low side could have been 4-12. With Orton I think they're firmly in 6-10 to 8-8 territory, maybe a little better if guys REALLY step up.
They're definately screwed out of the playoffs, but they aren't screwed out of still having a chance to significantly improve on their '04 record, and thats without trading for a vet QB who'll likely cost too much.