Clarett wants to be cut - PFT [Archive] - The Orange Mane

Billy Clyde Puckett

08-12-2005, 05:35 AM

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

CLARETT WANTS TO BE CUT

As it turns out, T.O. isn't the only guy who might be faking a groin injury.

A league source tells us that Broncos rookie running back Maurice Clarett's groin injury is, in reality, a response by Clarett to the fact that he was stuck at the bottom of the depth chart at tailback.

Mo-Clo's reasoning (tortured as it may be) is that he can't earn the incentives in that stoopid no-bonus contract if he isn't getting touches on Sundays, and that he can't get touches on Sundays in September and beyond if he isn't getting reps with the ones in training camp and preseason.

So his grand plan, per the source, is to cajole the team into cutting him, in the hopes that he'll end up somewhere else . . . as the starter.

If Clarett were to be released, he'd first pass through waivers, giving every team a crack at picking up the rights to his current contract. So in order to get paid beyond his $230,000 salary, he'd have to get to the top of the depth chart in his new town.

But that presumes he'll even get out of Denver. As our own Len Lasagna reported on Thursday, the Broncos eventually will put Clarett on injured reserve, squirreling him away for the 2005 season.

Whether that means Clarett gets a chance to win the starting gig in 2006 remains to be seen. We're hearing that Clarett is even more turdish in camp than the run-of-the-mill Bronco turd-jobs, and our guess is that the team eventually will tire of his routine.

When they do, of course, they'll be acknowledging that Coach Teflon's propensity for finding diamonds in the dregs of the draft had temporarily gone on hiatus when they handed in the card at the last pick in round three with Clarett's name on it.

Goobzilla

08-12-2005, 05:41 AM

I don't believe this for a second. Yes, here it comes......

"The media hates the Broncos"

That is all

-Slap-

08-12-2005, 05:43 AM

But that presumes he'll even get out of Denver. As our own Len Lasagna reported on Thursday, the Broncos eventually will put Clarett on injured reserve, squirreling him away for the 2005 season.
Len Lasagna? LOL

Not a colleague of Les Mes by any chance?

crazyhorse

08-12-2005, 05:43 AM

:spit: Hilarious!

(sniff)

Hilarious! :wave:

elsid13

08-12-2005, 05:44 AM

I refuse to acknowledge this "truth" from supposed "new site" that use the word turds and Coach Teflon. This is someone at this site trying to start something. Does anyone beside some luntic chef fan actually think this is true. WHAT BS!!!!

Tombstone RJ

08-12-2005, 05:45 AM

This is just irresponsible reporting. PFT has nothing to back this crap up with and by calling the Broncos players "turds" it shows an amazing lack of professionalism.

crazyhorse

08-12-2005, 05:46 AM

Mile High Shack

08-12-2005, 06:16 AM

when is the last time PFT has been right?

Mediator12

08-12-2005, 06:19 AM

You know that PFT is hurting for stories if they are reporting this. Maybe they were desperate for hits and hired crazyhorse as their Len Lasagna? He certainly would not be above writing something this frivolous now would he???

footstepsfrom#27

08-12-2005, 06:23 AM

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OK...so they 1) seek to entertain, 2) don't check with teams to verify stories, 3) won't run something they know is untrue (it doesn't say they know it to be true either, just that if they KNOW it to be untrue...you get the point.

Google them and you'll see a lot of chatter from fans around the league suggesting they're yellow journalism. There's also some thought that they do break stories now and then ahead of the regular media...not suprising given that in the politically correct NFL press releases/conferences an average fan could probably throw enough stuff against the wall to hit on the truth now and then.

All in all....pretty suspect. Clarett looks like the perfect target for these guys.

Bronco_Beerslug

08-12-2005, 06:38 AM

Clarett is falling behind FAST! If he doesn't recover from his injury soon he won't make the active roster this year. We might see sooner than later if his problems came with him or not.

Mile High Shack

08-12-2005, 06:39 AM

Since the author of this article is Len Lasagne

who is the "league source"

Peter Pastrami?

Pezman

08-12-2005, 06:43 AM

Since the author of this article is Len Lasagne

who is the "league source"

Peter Pastrami?

Ha!

DarkHorse

08-12-2005, 06:46 AM

Any "news" from this PFT place should be banned from being posted here - it's obviously a joke website.

Is this place supposed to be serious or is it the "onion" of NFL reporting?

Bob's your Information Minister

08-12-2005, 06:46 AM

Lovely.

Mediator12

08-12-2005, 06:49 AM

Any "news" from this PFT place should be banned from being posted here - it's obviously a joke website.

Is this place supposed to be serious or is it the "onion" of NFL reporting?

Hmm... Good Point! This is Football Only now, Not tabloids :bs:

crazyhorse

08-12-2005, 06:51 AM

elsid13

08-12-2005, 06:55 AM

maybe Waffle can start a poll on this:

Do you believe in PTF? or Should I spend more time stalking Big Ben?

OrangeShadow

08-12-2005, 07:01 AM

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1842/bull4bc.th.jpg

NaptownChief

08-12-2005, 07:04 AM

If true it will take a large HAZMAT crew to clean up all the egg on the Denver coaching staffs face.

Odysseus

08-12-2005, 07:05 AM

maybe Waffle can start a poll on this:

Do you believe in PTF? or Should I spend more time stalking Big Ben?

I got your Waffle! Right here!

thwack

Tredici

08-12-2005, 07:06 AM

NaptownChief

08-12-2005, 07:08 AM

Who cares? Has anyone really invested any love in Clarett? So Bobby Turner got his OSU loyalties yanked. It happens. Mo leaves? With the "old school obligations" out of the way, Turner will be more disconcerning with the next youngster he plucks out of the draft.

Now comes the pre-fiasco spin.....

Yesterday however, model citizen, can't believe people are being critical of this franchise quality back we got in the third...If Bobby Turner said go get him then that is all that we need to know....yada, yada, yada

Bronco_Beerslug

08-12-2005, 07:09 AM

Who cares? Has anyone really invested any love in Clarett? So Bobby Turner got his OSU loyalties yanked. It happens. Mo leaves? With the "old school obligations" out of the way, Turner will be more disconcerning with the next youngster he plucks out of the draft.
:) You're not serious are you? Some people here LOVE MC and will defend the high pick for him no matter what. Shanahan stuck his neck out on this one, once again.

Tredici

08-12-2005, 07:11 AM

:) You're not serious are you? Some people here LOVE MC and will defend the high pick for him no matter what. Shanahan stuck his neck out on this one, once again.

Yes. I am serious. All Shanahan did was back Turner on this one..

Just like he back Kubiak when he wanted a kid named Terrell Davis.

elsid13

08-12-2005, 07:13 AM

If true it will take a large HAZMAT crew to clean up all the egg on the Denver coaching staffs face.

Nap

Do you real belive this??? The kid is hurt, and from all reports he wants to be in Denver. He next to Turner/Shanahan trying learning the system when he not on the field. This is internet crap.

IF PTF.com spun a rumor saying Trint had been busted for picking up a trangender hooker would you believe it????

wabbit

08-12-2005, 07:13 AM

If that's egg all over the collective faces of Denver's coaches & scouts, what, pray tell might that be all over the KC staff every time Ryan Simms shows up for 'practice'

smells bad from here

Tredici

08-12-2005, 07:13 AM

Now comes the pre-fiasco spin.....

Yesterday however, model citizen, can't believe people are being critical of this franchise quality back we got in the third...If Bobby Turner said go get him then that is all that we need to know....yada, yada, yada

I don't have any idea what this post is about. The only thing I've ever said in favor of Clarett is that he gave a decent interview after his selection. Of course I also mentioned he had probably been well coached in how he approached that.

If you don't know where the Broncos running back coach is from, then you should thank me for educating you.

It's not such a big mystery pick.

Bronco_Beerslug

08-12-2005, 07:15 AM

Yes. I am serious. All Shanahan did was back Turner on this one..

Just like he back Kubiak when he wanted a kid named Terrell Davis.
Round 6 gamble equals not much of a gamble (or sticking your neck out) IMO.
I didn't like picking Clarett at all there and still don't. Maybe he'll pleasantly surprise in the end but I think that's a longshot.

Mediator12

08-12-2005, 07:16 AM

Tredici

08-12-2005, 07:16 AM

Round 6 gamble equals not much of a gamble (or sticking your neck out) IMO.
I didn't like picking Clarett at all there and still don't. Maybe he'll pleasantly surprise in the end but I think that's a longshot.

It may have been round six, but that's when Shanny turned to Kubes and said, Okay- take your pick.

Mediator12

08-12-2005, 07:18 AM

It may have been round six, but that's when Shanny turned to Kubes and said, Okay- take your pick.

Umm.. tred that was Bobby Turner not Kubes. Kubes would have gone for a 7th WR.

Odysseus

08-12-2005, 07:21 AM

Yes. I am serious. All Shanahan did was back Turner on this one..

Just like he back Kubiak when he wanted a kid named Terrell Davis.

I would type this all over again and give it my own spin but I actually read this post, understand it and agree. Why steal credit where credit is due?

Great post Tredici. I'm pretty sure if it wasn't such a hot topic it would end here but regardless of if it's true or not Shanny backed his coach and should be respected for doing that. There is no spin on doing the right thing.

Tredici

08-12-2005, 07:24 AM

Umm.. tred that was Bobby Turner not Kubes. Kubes would have gone for a 7th WR.

I don't think so. I remember reading an article on this one. Unless the author was totally making stuff up, it was Kubiak who championed TD. Of course, it could've been on the recommendation of Turner. Back then Bobby got NO press.

Bronco_Beerslug

08-12-2005, 07:26 AM

Yes. I am serious. All Shanahan did was back Turner on this one..
Just like he back Kubiak when he wanted a kid named Terrell Davis.

I was referring to your statement below about Clarett when I asked are you serious.
Who cares? Has anyone really invested any love in Clarett?

Tredici

08-12-2005, 07:27 AM

Name the Last third round Broncos Pick to be a starter under Shanahan. Reggie Hayward from 2001. He did not start until 2004. It takes these guys time to become players in this system. If MoC thought he was actually going to play this year, he was sincerely mistaken. Portis did not take over in 2002 until the fifth game and He was a steal in the second. Not a guy who had not seen a Field for three years.

Exactly. I think the Denver Coaches are big boys. They knew exactly what they were getting and knew it was going to be a project. If the kid sees himself as something different after not having a clue where he's supposed to be and when during practice, then he's delusional beyond TO proportions.

Tredici

08-12-2005, 07:30 AM

I was referring to your statement below about Clarett when I asked are you serious.

Yeah, I'm serious. The kid has a long way to go. Because he's a Bronco I want to see him succeed. Have I invested any love in him yet? Nope. When I see him work his ass off like Mike Anderson does he'll get more consideration from me.

Right now he's just a long shot who has been given a chance. It remains to be seen what he's going to do with it.

NaptownChief

08-12-2005, 07:34 AM

:) You're not serious are you? Some people here LOVE MC and will defend the high pick for him no matter what. Shanahan stuck his neck out on this one, once again.

She is serious...She is already setting up the spin to pretend like this will be no big deal, nobody cared about Clarrett Jug Head in the first place etc.etc.

NaptownChief

08-12-2005, 07:41 AM

If that's egg all over the collective faces of Denver's coaches & scouts, what, pray tell might that be all over the KC staff every time Ryan Simms shows up for 'practice'

smells bad from here

No comparison there Wabbit...Sims may turn out to be a complete bust, sure looks like it to this point, but all teams have those(Marcus Nash, Willie Middlebust or Dealtha O'Neal ring a bell). But a big difference between having player that was was high on nearly every teams board just not produce than to take a foolish gamble on a troubled player two years removed from football, who ran a 40 time at the combine that resembled having a grand piano on his back followed by quitting, who wasn't welcome back to his college team, who had legal trouble and most teams wouldn't even put on their board. No comparison and you know it.

Mile High Shack

08-12-2005, 07:42 AM

She is serious...She is already setting up the spin to pretend like this will be no big deal, nobody cared about Clarrett Jug Head in the first place etc.etc.

I seriously can't believe you are trying to throw crap on the wall from a PFT article from an author called Len Lasagna

NaptownChief

08-12-2005, 07:44 AM

I seriously can't believe you are trying to throw crap on the wall from a PFT article from an author called Len Lasagna

I'm not claiming it to be true...My first comment on the article was "if this is true"...From PFT is his highly probable that is garbage. I'm just laughing at the jokesters that are going into full spin mode in preparation of it possibly being true.

wabbit

08-12-2005, 07:46 AM

...No comparison and you know it.

Quite the contrary

Clarett was a free-bee...a compensation pick...a flyer

Simms was an extremely high first rounder...going to be the 'foundation' of a new KC defensive era

You tell me which player could result in more of a team set-back...or, in the case of Simms...already has

Bob's your Information Minister

08-12-2005, 07:49 AM

Sims, not Simms.

NYBroncoManiac

08-12-2005, 07:51 AM

She is serious...She is already setting up the spin to pretend like this will be no big deal, nobody cared about Clarrett Jug Head in the first place etc.etc.

I'm actually a bit confused here... why would you care, Nappy. Has it come to this? Chiefs fans wondering whether or not a Denver "reach" for an RB in the third round will make the team or get cut?

The truth of the matter is that Denver is incredibly deep at this position and the MoC experiment won't hurt them.

Mediator12

08-12-2005, 07:53 AM

No comparison there Wabbit...Sims may turn out to be a complete bust, sure looks like it to this point, but all teams have those(Marcus Nash, Willie Middlebust or Dealtha O'Neal ring a bell). But a big difference between having player that was was high on nearly every teams board just not produce than to take a foolish gamble on a troubled player two years removed from football, who ran a 40 time at the combine that resembled having a grand piano on his back followed by quitting, who wasn't welcome back to his college team, who had legal trouble and most teams wouldn't even put on their board. No comparison and you know it.

Why? Because you are setting the definitions?

Of the three guys there Denver got Value out of O'Neal and Middlebrooks. You think Carl will get anything for Simms? Since 2001, the Chiefs have failed to place a second or third round pick as a starter and you are bitching about MoC like this was the biggest draft error ever made?

How have any of the Draftees fared under Dicky V. anyway??? NO decent Starters since he has been there! Simms is not even decent, and Fujita is now an Afterthought with the new LB corp.

Nice try Nap.

Mediator12

08-12-2005, 07:54 AM

Sims, not Simms.

Yep, that is how good he is. No one Cares to spell his name right :devil:

wabbit

08-12-2005, 07:56 AM

Sims, not Simms.

Crap...spelled with one 'p'

Draft disaster...two 'd''s

Boob...two 'o's

Tredici

08-12-2005, 07:56 AM

She is serious...She is already setting up the spin to pretend like this will be no big deal, nobody cared about Clarrett Jug Head in the first place etc.etc.

I am serious. But I'm not speaking for anyone but myself. If you can find any of my posts which give you a reason to think differently, have at it.

NaptownChief

08-12-2005, 07:56 AM

Of the three guys there Denver got Value out of O'Neal and Middlebrooks.

A couple duffle bags and a few used jock straps really isn't compensation worth bragging about for 1st round picks.

Tredici

08-12-2005, 07:58 AM

I'm not claiming it to be true...My first comment on the article was "if this is true"...From PFT is his highly probable that is garbage. I'm just laughing at the jokesters that are going into full spin mode in preparation of it possibly being true.

It's pretty obvious who is getting dizzy.

Mediator12

08-12-2005, 07:58 AM

A couple duffle bags and a few used jock straps really isn't compensation worth bragging about for 1st round picks.

Engelberger is better than ANY KC DL nap. Plus, getting DJ Williams from the CIN pick does not look bad either! If that is your version of duffle bags and jockstraps then you just have pylons for a defense nap.

NaptownChief

08-12-2005, 07:59 AM

Clarett was a free-bee...a compensation pick...a flyer

Just because the pick was a free comp pick doesn't justify foolishly throwing it away. Be like inheriting millions of dollars then pissing it away on heroin and saying "no big deal it was free money anyway..."

wabbit

08-12-2005, 08:05 AM

Just because the pick was a free comp pick doesn't justify foolishly throwing it away..."

The same could be said for Sims...even more so being a top pick.

...and you've already judged & convicted this Clarett kid two weeks into his first training camp after, as you stated, two years out of football

How many years has the Sims project been festering now??

Bob's your Information Minister

08-12-2005, 08:06 AM

Engelberger is better than ANY KC DL nap

Bull****.

Bob's your Information Minister

08-12-2005, 08:07 AM

The same could be said for Sims...even more so being a top pick.

...and you've already judged & convicted this Clarett kid two weeks into his first training camp after, as you stated, two years out of football

How many years has the Sims project been festering now??

Just two. His rookie season was a wash due to the injury. He's looking quite good in camp according to reports...

elsid13

08-12-2005, 08:08 AM

Bull****.

Would like to prove evidence otherwise, or are you going to just throw out "dirty" words.

Mediator12

08-12-2005, 08:08 AM

Bull****.

The Only player worth a crap is Allen, and he has had ONE YEAR. Other than that, pure crap.

Billy Clyde Puckett

08-12-2005, 08:12 AM

Just two. His rookie season was a wash due to the injury. He's looking quite good in camp according to reports...

So Boob, How is that second round biatch of yours, Lard A** Saivaii looking with the fourth string of the worst DL in the NFL?

wabbit

08-12-2005, 08:13 AM

Just two. His rookie season was a wash due to the injury. He's looking quite good in camp according to reports...

Well, Clarett may also have an 'injury' & his rookie season may also be a wash.

If you're saying Sims deserves slack for his 'injury', shouldn't the same consideration be given Clarett??

elsid13

08-12-2005, 08:15 AM

Well, Clarett may also have an 'injury' & his rookie season may also be a wash.

If you're saying Sims deserves slack for his 'injury', shouldn't the same consideration be given Clarett??

Wabbit

Don't you know that the Chefs are perfect and can do no wrong, especial with Gunther in charge, and Broncos are loser organization.

Bob's your Information Minister

08-12-2005, 08:18 AM

The Only player worth a crap is Allen, and he has had ONE YEAR. Other than that, pure crap.

That is just garbage. How do you think we improved our run D? It wasn't our awesome linebackers and DBs.

Hicks is equal to a guy like Engleberger. Both Sims and Dalton are better. And Allen is certainly better.

wabbit

08-12-2005, 08:26 AM

That is just garbage. How do you think we improved our run D? It wasn't our awesome linebackers and DBs.

Hicks is equal to a guy like Engleberger. Both Sims and Dalton are better. And Allen is certainly better.

Bob...KC was 29th defensively in average gain per rush by the opponent, 28th in surrendering 1st downs, & 29th in points surrendered per game

What, exactly, was Sims good at...besides standing aside while the rusher ran rampant through the KC defensive backfield?

Mediator12

08-12-2005, 08:28 AM

That is just garbage. How do you think we improved our run D? It wasn't our awesome linebackers and DBs.

Hicks is equal to a guy like Engleberger. Both Sims and Dalton are better. And Allen is certainly better.

Now who is dreaming Bob??? You guys had to commit your whole team to be anywhere near respectable in the running game and were still just average. Then what happened? The Worst Pass defense in the NFL since you had to sell out in the running game.

With All the Blitzing you guys did, you also Had ONLY 13 INT's. Teams Threw at will on you guys and did not have to run. If they did they would have kicked your ass running too, since KC was 31st in yds per rushing attempt too. Keep telling yourself that you were better in the running game BOB. If they had attempted the same amount of rushes as in 2003 when your pass defense was average, you would have been 28th.

Bob's your Information Minister

08-12-2005, 08:28 AM

Bob...KC was 29th defensively in average gain per rush by the opponent, 28th in surrendering 1st downs, & 29th in points surrendered per game

What, exactly, was Sims good at...besides standing aside while the rusher ran rampant through the KC defensive backfield?

The Chiefs ranked 12th in run defense and only improved as the season wore on.

Bob's your Information Minister

08-12-2005, 08:29 AM

If they had attempted the same amount of rushes as in 2003 when your pass defense was average, you would have been 28th.

This line of reasoning is garbage. Why didn't teams just run roughshod on us, then? Bottom line, we improved in run D.

bronco militia

08-12-2005, 08:29 AM

"Clarett wants to be cut - PFT "

wow, I hope it's true....

Mediator12

08-12-2005, 08:30 AM

The Chiefs ranked 12th in run defense and only improved as the season wore on.

We only need Gunther to improve the run defense. 4.6 yards a carry Bob. Tied for 31st in the league. Hey that improvement is better than 32cd :hitself:

Mediator12

08-12-2005, 08:31 AM

This line of reasoning is garbage. Why didn't teams just run roughshod on us, then? Bottom line, we improved in run D.

Because they set records Passing against you dumbass. BTW, this is why the Bob's your information minister Title stuck!

wabbit

08-12-2005, 08:31 AM

The Chiefs ranked 12th in run defense and only improved as the season wore on.

I didn't say run defnese Bob...stick to the point.

The point was; KC was 29th in average rushing gain surrendered

Denver ranked 4th over-all defensively & you've stated many times that didn't mean squat...if I have my Chiefy terminilogy correct

12th in run defense doesn't mean 'squat' Bob when you're 32nd in pass defense

bronco militia

08-12-2005, 08:32 AM

why run the ball when your defense plays two hand touch?

WyoLaw

08-12-2005, 08:33 AM

I'm not even going to justify this BS story by reading the three pages of reply's. It's obviously total crap reporting by a crap website!

NaptownChief

08-12-2005, 08:33 AM

The same could be said for Sims...even more so being a top pick.

I don't disagree it being more detrimental having a high 1st rounder bust on you then a late 3rd. That is obvious. But you are trying to argue it being an equally foolish pick. Which is not the case. It looked like a very good pick to nearly all folks and just hasn't worked out like many 1st rounders don't. The Clarrett pick looked like a horrible pick at the time it was made to the majority in the know. That is the difference and anyone with the slightest bit between their ears wouldn't even try to argue that point.

Bob's your Information Minister

08-12-2005, 08:35 AM

Look, Engleberger is not better than Jared Allen. You guys are ridiculous.

Season can't start soon enough!

Mediator12

08-12-2005, 08:35 AM

I don't disagree it being more detrimental having a high 1st rounder bust on you then a late 3rd. That is obvious. But you are trying to argue it being an equally foolish pick. Which is not the case. It looked like a very good pick to nearly all folks and just hasn't worked out like many 1st rounders don't. The Clarrett pick looked like a horrible pick at the time it was made to the majority in the know. That is the difference and anyone with the slightest bit between their ears wouldn't even try to argue that point.

Hey Nappy, do you give your clients this kind of Investment advice? Two weeks and SELL!, SELL!, SELL! rofl

Tredici

08-12-2005, 08:35 AM

I didn't say run defnese Bob...stick to the point.

The point was; KC was 29th in average rushing gain surrendered

Denver ranked 4th over-all defensively & you've stated many times that didn't mean squat...if I have my Chiefy terminilogy correct

12th in run defense doesn't mean 'squat' Bob when you're 32nd in pass defense

Don't confuse Bob with stats he doesn't understand.

NaptownChief

08-12-2005, 08:37 AM

Hey Nappy, do you give your clients this kind of Investment advice? Two weeks and SELL!, SELL!, SELL! rofl

No because I don't let them buy into speculative junk in the first place. ;D

Bob's your Information Minister

08-12-2005, 08:38 AM

Denver ranked 4th over-all defensively & you've stated many times that didn't mean squat...if I have my Chiefy terminilogy correct

You don't. I've never said that.

I really can't believe you're a journalist. Your Broncos bias is so strong it's ridiculous.

Tredici

08-12-2005, 08:38 AM

You don't. I've never said that.

I really can't believe you're a journalist. Your Broncos bias is so strong it's ridiculous.

Who do you think he writes for genius? The Kansas City Star?

bronco militia

08-12-2005, 08:39 AM

You don't. I've never said that.

I really can't believe you're a journalist. Your Broncos bias is so strong it's ridiculous.

it's not the Broncos bias, but his anti-chief bias you should be crying about.

cry me a river, Chief boy :vermeil: :vermeil:

wabbit

08-12-2005, 08:40 AM

...The Clarrett pick looked like a horrible pick at the time it was made to the majority in the know...

Oh, I'm not so sure about that...one of the ESPN draft analysts stood up & clapped when Denver made the pick, and many scouts rated Clarett as a boom or bust pick...with the potential for a huge pay-off.

Again, he's into his second week of training camp...so, at this stage, he's nothing more...or less than a developmental pick

Honeymoon's over for Sims. With his contract, he either steps up or out this year

bronco militia

08-12-2005, 08:44 AM

I hated the MoC pick...not for where they drafted him, but that he was drafted period. Overall, I'd say that Bronco Nation is split 50/50 on MoC. But it made sense when you figure in the rest of the moves that were made this offseason.

NaptownChief

08-12-2005, 08:48 AM

Oh, I'm not so sure about that...one of the ESPN draft analysts stood up & clapped when Denver made the pick, [/I]

Because they felt sorry for the kid not because they thought it was a great pick. If that were the definition of a great pick then it is the only great pick in the history of the NFL draft since ESPN has been covering it as that is the only time someone stood up and clapped.

Wabbit...you are smarter than that and we all know it.

Mediator12

08-12-2005, 08:50 AM

No because I don't let them buy into speculative junk in the first place. ;D

Well you should have advised against Carl Peterson's using Viatical Settlements to improve a porous defense that needed Strong Income instead of huge potential payoffs :devil:

wabbit

08-12-2005, 08:50 AM

Because they felt sorry for the kid not because they thought it was a great pick. If that were the definition of a great pick then it is the only great pick in the history of the NFL draft since ESPN has been covering it as that is the only time someone stood up and clapped.

Wabbit...you are smarter than that and we all know it.

I've never said it was a 'great' pick. It is what it is; a third round compensation pick flyer on potential

Bronco_Beerslug

08-12-2005, 08:58 AM

I've never said it was a 'great' pick. It is what it is; a third round compensation pick flyer on potential
Well I don't and didn't see the potential. Out of football for 2 years (only 1 year playing), showing only lineman speed and past personal problems.

NaptownChief

08-12-2005, 08:59 AM

I've never said it was a 'great' pick. It is what it is; a third round compensation pick flyer on potential

You used the clapping as an example of an "expert" thinking it was a good pick. This was the most unanimous I have ever seen the media and so called experts be against a pick....And for obvious and justified reason.

As for just potential and all baggage aside Marion Barber would have been a better pick IMO just on talent alone...Factor in the baggage and there is no comparison.

NaptownChief

08-12-2005, 09:00 AM

Well you should have advised against Carl Peterson's using Viatical Settlements to improve a porous defense that needed Strong Income instead of huge potential payoffs :devil:

That is pretty funny stuff... ;D

DB-Freak

08-12-2005, 09:07 AM

Oh man........

DF must be practicing his backflips right now.

wabbit

08-12-2005, 09:15 AM

You used the clapping as an example of an "expert" thinking it was a good pick...

Again, no...I didn't say that. I said he clapped, but you can infer from his clapping that, good, so-so, or indifferent...it wasn't a 'horrible' pick.

As for unanimity, I have yet to see or hear three analysts agree on anyone, with one or two notable exceptions eash year, and the Clarett selection has drawn some praise amid the scorn from what I've heard & read.

Regardless, two weeks into a training camp is a little early to pass final judgement on any player, including those who came in without a chance whatsoever.

Bronco_Beerslug

08-12-2005, 09:23 AM

As for unanimity, I have yet to see or hear three analysts agree on anyone, with one or two notable exceptions eash year, and the Clarett selection has drawn some praise amid the scorn from what I've heard & read.

Uh, I'd have to say just about everyone was shaking their head on draft day about this pick.

NaptownChief

08-12-2005, 09:32 AM

Uh, I'd have to say just about everyone was shaking their head on draft day about this pick.

Yep...the only folks I saw trying to justify this pick were Bronco fans and even half of them had to pick their jaw up off the floor.

watermock

08-12-2005, 09:35 AM

PFT absolutely hates the Broncos for some reason he's never really explained, but trust me, he does. He's got some amusing takes, and some decent links and hey, he's doing it for free, so he can say whatever the hell he wants. He is a certified moron at times that kisses his own ass constantly.

That said, the fact an MRI came up negative, that MoC isn't in Houston while C. Brown is, doesn't bode well for him. He's allready shown to be a quitter, and his head was really hangin' the other day when ESPN interviewed him. As far as PFT goes, he must stick his big nose in here, because we are the ones speculating he might be hidden on IR, I haven't read it anywhere else.

DB-Freak

08-12-2005, 09:38 AM

You make it sound like the fans know better, because a NFL coaching staff so damn unreliable. That's ****ing funny. It shows how cocky and unaware you are.

bronco militia

08-12-2005, 09:41 AM

PFT absolutely hates the Broncos for some reason he's never really explained, but trust me, he does. He's got some amusing takes, and some decent links and hey, he's doing it for free, so he can say whatever the hell he wants. He is a certified moron at times that kisses his own ass constantly.

.

give me a break....for his real job, Mike Florio covers the Titans. Have you notice the turds he's tossed towards the titans and pac man this week?

If you read the site everyday (like me) you'd realize that he hates everybody and that he's an equal opportunity turd tosser (LOL).

NaptownChief

08-12-2005, 09:44 AM

because a NFL coaching staff so damn unreliable.

That is probably one of the more accurate things you have said lately.

DB-Freak

08-12-2005, 09:47 AM

That is probably one of the more accurate things you have said lately.
My point exactly.

DBroncos4life

08-12-2005, 09:48 AM

Hey just so you know the year we took Oneal KC drafted Sylvester Morris in the first round. Which of those two went to the Pro Bowl by the team that drafted them? Which of the two still is in the NFL? The year Denver drafted Middlebrooks KC traded their first two picks for a coach that has one playoff loss for them. Thats a great move there :woowoo:

watermock

08-12-2005, 09:53 AM

give me a break....for his real job, Mike Florio covers the Titans. Have you notice the turds he's tossed towards the titans and pac man this week?

If you read the site everyday (like me) you'd realize that he hates everybody and that he's an equal opportunity turd tosser (LOL).

I beg to dissagree. I have not read one single thing he's ever said positive about Denver. Teflonahan should be fired, The Brownco's suck, they cheat both on and off the field, Plummer is an idiot, MoC was an I told you so, on and on and on.

I never said he's not an equal opportunity trash talker, just that he's especially venemous and often rediculous in his Bronco bashing, which seems pretty popular right now.

NaptownChief

08-12-2005, 10:00 AM

The year Denver drafted Middlebrooks KC traded their first two picks for a coach that has one playoff loss for them. Thats a great move there :woowoo:

Not completely true...the 1st pick went for T.Green which has worked out just fine.

bronco militia

08-12-2005, 10:01 AM

I beg to dissagree. I have not read one single thing he's ever said positive about Denver. Teflonahan should be fired, The Brownco's suck, they cheat both on and off the field, Plummer is an idiot, MoC was an I told you so, on and on and on.

I never said he's not an equal opportunity trash talker, just that he's especially venemous and often rediculous in his Bronco bashing, which seems pretty popular right now.
well I guess that settles it...the media hates our Broncos and the last 6 years plus this past offseason had nothing to do with it

footstepsfrom#27

08-12-2005, 10:01 AM

Well, I'm not exactly MoC's biggest fan, but...Ummm...91 posts ago I pointed out that the PFT website itself basically admits they are about entertainment value and don't feel obliged to adhere to any kind of professional journalistic standards.

It pays to read stuff from the start...no?

watermock

08-12-2005, 10:06 AM

That's what's funny. People take it for gospel when it's very name is the rumor mill. He hits more than he misses, but he's in the business of speculation and trashing flavaclowns.

-Slap-

08-12-2005, 10:22 AM

I don't think so. I remember reading an article on this one. Unless the author was totally making stuff up, it was Kubiak who championed TD. Of course, it could've been on the recommendation of Turner. Back then Bobby got NO press.
You're correct, Tred. Mediator is talking out of his ass again.

From Lisa Zimmerman of NFL.com:

In spite of his players' achievements, Kubiak refuses to take any personal responsibility for their individual successes. However, he does get a great deal of satisfaction from seeing his protégées attain, and often surpass, their goals.

"Watching Terrell Davis come in as a sixth-round pick and watching him work hard and achieve what he achieved was very special," he said.

If that's not good enough, John Beake:

When Terrell was drafted in 1995, he joined the team without much fanfare as a sixth-round pick out of Georgia. Still, he was a player our scouting staff had a keen eye on. In particular, head coach Mike Shanahan and offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak believed he was a player with potential. But to have achieved what Terrell Davis achieved in his NFL career is an outstanding credit to the player.

bronco militia

08-12-2005, 10:25 AM

That's what's funny. People take it for gospel when it's very name is the rumor mill. He hits more than he misses, but he's in the business of speculation and trashing flavaclowns.

no **** sherlock....so why do you still think PFT is out to get our beloved Broncos?

watermock

08-12-2005, 10:56 AM

no **** sherlock....so why do you still think PFT is out to get our beloved Broncos?

Don't ask me, why not ask him? I seriously doubt you would get a serious answer, more likely you would be insulted and the butt of a joke on his rant page.

bengalsown

08-12-2005, 11:25 AM

when is the last time PFT has been right?

Couple of months ago, they reported Chris Perry had a second sports hernia, before anyone had a clue in Cincinnati. It was confirmed about two weeks later.

They were right about the Pacman Jones stories.

They were right about the Randy Moss trade.

I could go on. I'd venture to say that PFT is about 50% accurate, if not a little better than that...

bronco militia

08-12-2005, 11:27 AM

Don't ask me, why not ask him? I seriously doubt you would get a serious answer, more likely you would be insulted and the butt of a joke on his rant page.

that sounds like the perfect job for watermock :~ohyah!:

Ratboy

08-12-2005, 11:30 AM

Since the author of this article is Len Lasagne

who is the "league source"

Peter Pastrami?

:giggle: :spit:

Rep!

watermock

08-12-2005, 11:35 AM

Lenny Pastabelly...Peter Tortallini...

Ratboy

08-12-2005, 11:37 AM

PFT is a complete joke, i wouldn't believe that website if they even had visual proof of it.

elsid13

08-12-2005, 12:28 PM

Rep to Bronco LB 52 for proving my point that only Chef fans would believe this:

The evidence members of the jury:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=121388

-Slap-

08-12-2005, 12:39 PM

Couple of months ago, they reported Chris Perry had a second sports hernia, before anyone had a clue in Cincinnati. It was confirmed about two weeks later.

It doesn't take much insight to know that nobody in Cincinnati has a clue.

FADERPROOF

08-12-2005, 12:52 PM

let's all hope that this comes true.

Bronco LB 59

08-12-2005, 12:57 PM

You're correct, Tred. Mediator is talking out of his ass again.

From Lisa Zimmerman of NFL.com:

Quote:
In spite of his players' achievements, Kubiak refuses to take any personal responsibility for their individual successes. However, he does get a great deal of satisfaction from seeing his protégées attain, and often surpass, their goals.

"Watching Terrell Davis come in as a sixth-round pick and watching him work hard and achieve what he achieved was very special," he said.

If that's not good enough, John Beake:

Quote:
When Terrell was drafted in 1995, he joined the team without much fanfare as a sixth-round pick out of Georgia. Still, he was a player our scouting staff had a keen eye on. In particular, head coach Mike Shanahan and offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak believed he was a player with potential. But to have achieved what Terrell Davis achieved in his NFL career is an outstanding credit to the player.

The game that actually caught Kubiak's eye was Terrell Davis' performance in the 1995 Senior Bowl. TD put on a pass receiving display. As you all know, Denver didn't have a pick until the 4th round in 1995. The physically deteriorating Rod Bernstine and Glyn Milburn were the top two returning running backs. Coming from the San Francisco system that puts a strong emphasis on RB receiving, Kubes was drawn to a back that could catch the ball.

Does anybody here have a tape of the 1995 Senior Bowl? I would love to watch that someday.

bronco militia

08-12-2005, 01:25 PM

let's all hope that this comes true.

:devil: :thumbs: :pray:

DB-Freak

08-12-2005, 01:30 PM

let's all hope that this comes true.
So what kind of flips will you be doing if this happens?

Atlas

08-12-2005, 01:35 PM

This is kind of humorous, We have 6 pages of posts bashing Clarret, Shanny and Bobby Turner on what I consider nothing but a rumor. Maybe we should just wait to see how this shapes up. Sounds like the whole Pryce incident all over again. People bashing Shanny for treating Pryce bad and people bashing Pryce for not working with the Broncos. How did that turn out anyway???

Mile High Shack

08-12-2005, 01:36 PM

a rumor by Len Lasagne at that

Jason in LA

08-12-2005, 01:47 PM

PFT is a joke. I wouldn't be surpised if they were the ones that made up the TO/Porter trade.

Jason in LA

08-12-2005, 01:49 PM

How much egg will be on the Broncos' face when they are a top 5 rushing team? Clarett isn't going to be much of a factor. Whether he is or isn't, the Broncos are still going to run over everybody, like they do every year.

Rulon Velvet Jones

08-12-2005, 02:06 PM

Darvin Ham?

Old Dude

08-12-2005, 02:33 PM

Bottom line is that PFT reports a lot of unconfirmed rumors. Most of them turn out to be wrong.

Once in awhile they'll get one right. Monkeys in front of a typewriter and all that.

In this case, it doesn't jive.

MC has had all sorts of problems with his conditioning. That's one of the reasons he showed so poorly at the tryouts.

He's also got limited football experience, even for a rookie, and has been slower to pick up practice and drill routines.

He's got a lot to learn mentally and he's trying to get into shape physically, all at the same time, at a level where he's never competed before against a lot of people who are faster and stronger than he is, and just as desperate to succeed.

He's probably pushing himself in all kinds of ways.

With all that going on, he's a higher-than-average risk to get hurt in preseason, in a game or at camp.

I fully expect him to wind up on injured reserve - - and not just because Shanny hides him there.

Bronco LB 59

08-12-2005, 02:49 PM

Speaking of tabloid football writers, does anybody remember Fred Edelstein?

SoCalBronco

08-12-2005, 02:51 PM

Speaking of tabloid football writers, does anybody remember Fred Edelstein?

Didnt he get convicted of fraud or something?

FADERPROOF

08-12-2005, 03:03 PM

So what kind of flips will you be doing if this happens?

I got a woman now, so I try not to put my body in harmful situations anymore.

Raiders Rock

08-12-2005, 03:07 PM

Highly unlikely this story is anywhere near truthful, humorous but extremely doubtful.

Moc has burned way too many bridges down to ever think of something like this, he is just thankful to be in the NFL at this time.

RR

Garcia Bronco

08-12-2005, 04:17 PM

It seems that on their site they say they've give you a virus if you email them...sounds like something that needs to be reported to the authorities.

Bronco LB 59

08-12-2005, 04:22 PM

Didnt he get convicted of fraud or something?

Yes! I can't believe he was employed by ESPN at one point in time. He had a similar job to John Clayton and Chris Mortensen.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=1404786&type=news

-Slap-

08-12-2005, 06:47 PM

Yes! I can't believe he was employed by ESPN at one point in time. He had a similar job to John Clayton and Chris Mortensen.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=1404786&type=news
I can believe it.

chrisp

08-12-2005, 06:55 PM

Here's my take on the story:

IT

DOESN'T

MATTER

MoC needs us waaaaaay more than we need him, so if he does want to screw up his career then let him. If (as I suspect) the story is BULL, then we get a decent running back in a year or two.

He's been out of football for two years and was staring down the barrel of not getting a shot. Therefore I find the idea that his body isn't 100% ready for the rigours of camp far more plausible than the idea that he's trying to get himself cut. Insane......

Taco John

08-12-2005, 07:20 PM

Play2win

08-12-2005, 09:01 PM

no **** sherlock....

Well, then, Dig deeper Watson. ;D

(Sorry, I just HAD to say it...)

errand

08-12-2005, 10:46 PM

Clarett is falling behind FAST! If he doesn't recover from his injury soon he won't make the active roster this year. .

He'll make the roster, regardless....he's a freaking 3rd round pick, and unless your head coach or GM wants to look stupid, they won't cut him this year.

Raiders Rock

08-13-2005, 06:22 AM

All I can say is that if this is true, and Clarett wants to be cut due to the contract... You heard it from me first back when the contract was first announced. I don't believe Maurice has the maturity it takes to play under that type of contract... I don't know that any player but the rare ones do.

That contract was perfect for a player a team wanted to develop, no pressure whatsoever to get him on the field.

If you have to pick a player like MoC, atleast all the pressure is on him to perform and not the team.

Bronco_Beerslug

08-13-2005, 07:45 AM

He'll make the roster, regardless....he's a freaking 3rd round pick, and unless your head coach or GM wants to look stupid, they won't cut him this year.
I said "active" roster if he doesn't get well in a hurry. He isn't picking up the system very well and missing valuable time he can't make up.

Perry1977

08-13-2005, 07:56 AM

Everyone calls him a 3rd round pick like he was drafted high in the third or something. The 101st pick for at least the last 5-6 years have all been 4th rounders...

Since reportedly the Cowboys and Browns had him on their boards for the 4th round, and we didn't have a 4th round pick...we HAD to take him there.

I can't believe how much negative press this guy gets...it's insane. He pulls a groin in the first week of TC and he's immediately shuttled to IR by so many people. How many freakin' players are hurt already? Joey Porter, Roscoe Parrish, Champ Bailey, Matt Lepsis; and yet MC is the only one everybody is automatically placing on IR.

baja

08-13-2005, 08:32 AM

Perry1977

08-13-2005, 08:58 AM

Thanks, Baja. I am a regular at Broncomania.

As far as my take on the Broncos...where do I start? I think the most important improvements we made in the offseason were to address special teams. Our starting field position always sucked, and the opponents always was great. That's how we lose games when we get 400-500+ yards. I think the addition of Darrent Williams (who was drafted as a returner, not a CB primarily), Sauerbrun and Ernster, as well as getting Gold, Burns, and Anderson back is only going to help.

The biggest thing I worry about, I guess, is turnovers generated by the defense (which in my opinion is a direct result of D-line play), and red zone production.

I think the big difference maker this year will be the D-line. If they play up to their ability, I think we will have an outstanding year. If not, we may suffer more than our fair share of losses by 3 points or less.

We also need to really solidify a #2 quarterback, because chances are slim to none that Plummer takes every snap again this season.

The biggest thing I love, though. Is all the offseason and preseason negative press we get. Last year, the media was all about giving us props as a "Superbowl team", and we disappointed. This year, they are all about saying "denver can't do this, so and so can't do that", etc. We are primed for a surprise year, because it's not nearly so bad as the media predicts. I would much rather fly under the radar than be in the spotlight.

baja

08-13-2005, 10:01 AM