The official f*ck Pierre Lacroix thread

[Swedish Extrovert]

I kinda hope the Av's struggle without Forsberg - long term. So Pierre Lacroix doesent make the same bonehead mistakes.

I'm about to get banned from the Colorado Avalanche forum for my ranting on Lacroix.... It just hurts that much.

Anyway.... Go Flyers! (It still dosent feel right to say... I'll get the hang of it over time)

[bronco militia]

you can't blame all of this on PL.....nobody forced Foppa to sign that contract.

[Swedish Extrovert]

What was he supposed to do?

Why have hamburger when you can have steak, right?

It was Pierre's responsibility to bring him back. He FAILED.

Go Flyers! (eh... I'll get there)

[Breck Bronc]

Lacroix had his hands tied by the cap. Were were going to lose 2 of 6 star players; either Sakic, Forsberg, Blake, Foote, Hejduk, or Tanguay. It turns out Forsberg and Foote were the ones to go. It's punishment for selling out every game for a decade and not signing high priced free agents from other teams.

[bronco militia]

What was he supposed to do?

Why have hamburger when you can have steak, right?

It was Pierre's responsibility to bring him back. He FAILED.

Go Flyers! (eh... I'll get there)

go flyers?!?!?!

you'll burn in hockey hell for cheers like that...

[Swedish Extrovert]

Lacroix let 2 of his top 4 players - and his 2 assistant team Captains go in one free agency period.

I would hav ecut Tanguay to keep Forsber in tow.

I though that by letting Foote go, we would be able to retain Forsberg...

But losing Foote AND Forsberg at once? Thats unthinkable.

The worst has happened.

Plus maybe the "Go Flyers" will feel more natrual once the season starts.

[Hogan11]

I kinda hope the Av's struggle without Forsberg - long term. So Pierre Lacroix doesent make the same bonehead mistakes.

I'm about to get banned from the Colorado Avalanche forum for my ranting on Lacroix.... It just hurts that much.

Anyway.... Go Flyers! (It still dosent feel right to say... I'll get the hang of it over time)


You mean you'd book from the team you followed over this??

That's pretty weak Man......c'mon, you're not fairweathered are you?

I'm always happy to welcome more onto the Flyers bandwagon....but not like this... :unamused:

[Hogan11]

go flyers?!?!?!

you'll burn in hockey hell for cheers like that...

As Bon Scott once said: "Hell ain't a bad place to be" Ha!

[Swedish Extrovert]

You grow attached to certain players....

I liked Forsberg on several levels. First, he played in Colorado.... second I loved the way he played and the way he handled himself... third, with my avitar now you could see that I'm Swedish. Forsberg was the reason I watched and played hockey.

I went to Ornskoldsvik durring trip through Sweden with my uncle last month. While I was up there, thats all I really talked about with the people. He is just as popular there as he is in Colorado.

[SoCalBronco]

What was he supposed to do?

Why have hamburger when you can have steak, right?

It was Pierre's responsibility to bring him back. He FAILED.

Go Flyers! (eh... I'll get there)

Go Flyers? So much for being a die hard Avs fan.
Thats pretty weak. You ditch your team just because a fellow swede leaves town?

[Rohirrim]

The other thing to remember is how long is Peter going to play? Or put another way, given the beatdowns he's taken for years, how many years does he have left? Especially compared to Hejduk and Tanquey? Unfortunately, now the Av opponents are going to look at Sakic like some kind of free lunch. I'm sure the NHL will uphold the new rules and keep Joe from getting constantly mugged.

[Swedish Extrovert]

I guess you could say I was a loyal fan to the Av's, they had a player I grew on... I became a loyal Av's fan because of Forsberg.

I thought this thread was about Pierre Lacroix?

I'll change my avitar when I can. I just wanted to change it from my Navy one.

[Hogan11]

You grow attached to certain players....

I liked Forsberg on several levels. First, he played in Colorado.... second I loved the way he played and the way he handled himself... third, with my avitar now you could see that I'm Swedish. Forsberg was the reason I watched and played hockey.

I went to Ornskoldsvik durring trip through Sweden with my uncle last month. While I was up there, thats all I really talked about with the people. He is just as popular there as he is in Colorado.


Ahh, the cult of the personality thing, I get it now....

BTW, you can only see 1/4 of your avatar.

[Kid A]

You mean you'd book from the team you followed over this??

That's pretty weak Man......c'mon, you're not fairweathered are you?

I'm always happy to welcome more onto the Flyers bandwagon....but not like this... :unamused:

Other teams' fans like to knock Avs fans for being fairweather since all we've known is winning. Hell, the Avs won the Cup first year in Denver. Some of the fan reactions I've seen the last couple days are proving critics true.

[bronco militia]

The other thing to remember is how long is Peter going to play? Or put another way, given the beatdowns he's taken for years, how many years does he have left? Especially compared to Hejduk and Tanquey? Unfortunately, now the Av opponents are going to look at Sakic like some kind of free lunch. I'm sure the NHL will uphold the new rules and keep Joe from getting constantly mugged.


According to last nights am950thefan's interview with Pierre Lacroix, Forsberg was not interested in any contract longer than 2 years.

[bendog]

Personally, I'm more annoyed at having to let Foote go. Foote prolly can play at a high level for a few more years. Blake's great, and has the big shot of course, but it'd have been nice if Pierre could've strutchured the times of the contracts to keep Foote instead.

But I hate the whole labor agreement. I'd rather have seen less cap and consolodated some teams.

[bpc]

Get over it. I think we all loved Forsberg. Unfortunately he won't be in the NHL for the long haul... he would only take a two year deal. You are going to deal guys like Hejduk and Tanguay who are very young still and have star power written all over them for two year flirtation with Forsberg? I'm as sad as the next Avs fan but that is just stupid. First of all, Forsberg will be lucky if plays 2/3's of his games for the Flyers. He has all kind of injury problems and hes starting to become concussion prone. Not good when you have a huge bullseye on your head night in and night out.

I don't blame Lacroix one bit. He had to make a tough decision. Blake can play defense and score and Sakic year in and year out produces. You keep them and the young kids previously mentioned and let the older defenseman Foote (i love that guy, he should have been a lifer) and Forsberg go. There is no easy decision about this but this is the NHL we are in now. The reason we are in this problem is that we draft, develope and implement players so well in our system.

[Hogan11]

Other teams' fans like to knock Avs fans for being fairweather since all we've known is winning. Hell, the Avs won the Cup first year in Denver. Some of the fan reactions I've seen the last couple days are proving critics true.

Ah yes...didja know that Aubut still can't set foot in Quebec City after selling the Nords to the Denver group? I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the death warrant is still out on him to this day.

[Swedish Extrovert]

This Thread Isnt About Forsberg, Its About Lacroix Letting Forsberg Go When He Should Have Retained Him

[Rohirrim]

According to last nights am950thefan's interview with Pierre Lacroix, Forsberg was not interested in any contract longer than 2 years.

I'm guessing this is Peter's cash out year, and then it's back to Sweden. I wish him all the best. He gave his all to the Avs. I have nothing but respect for him, for all time. Pierre had to make a nasty decision, but I don't see where he had a bunch of options.

[FADERPROOF]

I'm not anywhere near ready to say "**** Pierre Lacroix," because unlike the fairweathered Mightysmurf here, I can recall the great trades that he had made, and the great farm system that he has helped draft, among other great things that he has done for this Franchise.

[bpc]

Theres a thing called limited resources. Look it up. You only care because you are Swedish. I hate to tell you but that doesn't mean a damn thing when it comes to numbers.

Forsberg could have come down on his side if he really wanted to stay. He knew where we were at CAP Wise. Hell for all the years we paid him money and he was out with an injury, he should have given us a pass. We nursed him through so many injuries, its sick to think of. Yet, the first and probably last chance he gets to go for the bottom dollar... he goes to the highest bidder.

That was his call, not Pierre's.

[Kid A]

This Thread Isnt About Forsberg, Its About Lacroix Letting Forsberg Go When He Should Have Retained Him

Maybe There Is An Arguement To Be Made That More Could Have Been Done To Keep Forsberg, But That Doesn't Mean You Jump Ship And Start Rooting For The ****ing Flyers.

[FADERPROOF]

If there wasn't a salary cap, then I'm sure Forsberg would sign back with the Avs, but if there wasn't a salary cap, then the NHL would still be on a lockeout.

So take your pick, Forsberg not an Av or no NHL?

[Clockwork Orange]

10 years of doing all he could to put a winner on the ice, now he's constricted by the salary cap and has to make some unpopular decisions and all of a sudden it's **** you?

Par for the course. Some are pissed at Forsberg, others Lacroix. I can't honestly find fault with either of them. It's just the harsh reality of the situation.

[Bronx33]

This thread is wrong.......smurf you are either a fan of one team or not a fan at all.

[bendog]

Lacroix had his hands tied by the cap. Were were going to lose 2 of 6 star players; either Sakic, Forsberg, Blake, Foote, Hejduk, or Tanguay. It turns out Forsberg and Foote were the ones to go. It's punishment for selling out every game for a decade and not signing high priced free agents from other teams.
Could they have kept Foote and let Blake and Foppa go?

[Swedish Extrovert]

Im pissed because forsberg should be priority #1.... over Sakic, Blake, Foote whatever...

[FADERPROOF]

Funny thing is, I'm Swedish as well and come from a proud Swedish family(great grandparents came to the US from Sweden and we started our lives here from then on.)

I cheer for them in the Olympics about as much as I do the USA, and some of my favorite players are my favorite players because they are from Sweden, but the team will always be bigger than one individual player.

My favorite D-man and one of my favorite players in the league is Nick Lidstrom, and I hate the ****ing Red Wings, another fave of mine is Marcus Naslund, and I can't stand the Canucks almost as much as the Red Wings.

So stop the, "I'm a fan of the Avs only because of Forsberg" bull**** and quit being a fairweather bitch. I'll be sure to remember this once the Avs start doing well and you try to jump back on the bandwagon.

[Kid A]

Could they have kept Foote and let Blake and Foppa go?

I'd rather have Blake than Foote, though many will argue that getting rid of Blake would have freed enough room for Foppa and Foote, which would have been a better deal.

[Candy Cigarettes]

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[Swedish Extrovert]

Oh I'm still an Av's fan. Im just pissed, and will be following the Flyers just as well.

[FADERPROOF]

Im pissed because forsberg should be priority #1.... over Sakic, Blake, Foote whatever...

Sakic? If you want Lacroix to piss off a lot more Avs fans, then let Sakic go and see how we start the "**** Pierre Lacroix" threads.

[Swedish Extrovert]

I think less people would be pissed off about letting Sakic go.

[Breck Bronc]

I think less people would be pissed off about letting Sakic go.It would be the same reaction. They might be tied for 2nd as the most beloved Denver athletes in the past two decades.

[Broncoman13]

Damn MS... I feel your pain. You'll come around eventually. You'll always be an Avs fan that supports the Flyers b/c of Forsberg. Nothing wrong with that... you'll feel better in a couple days or weeks. Time will tell!

[FADERPROOF]

Damn MS... I feel your pain. You'll come around eventually. You'll always be an Avs fan that supports the Flyers b/c of Forsberg. Nothing wrong with that... you'll feel better in a couple days or weeks. Time will tell!

Yeah MS, take it from the Lions fan...

j/k BM13, just couldnt resist :)

[Rohirrim]

I think less people would be pissed off about letting Sakic go.

I wouldn't be one of them. The cold, hard truth of it is that Foppa is on his last year (IMO). He's been talking about it ever since he lost the spleen. He wants to cash out and go play in Sweden. Foote has been getting hurt quite a bit as well. Pierre offered the best he was able to offer.

Sakic is in his prime. Tanquay and Hejduk are going to be stars. Hinote looks solid as well. Abby is looking good. Blake is still better than Foote because he brings the great D plus the scary blueline shot. The only thing I see in this deal is that the Avs now have a roster that compares (favorably) with the rest of the NHL. Instead of 3 Grade A lines, the Avs now have two. Welcome to the real world.

[bendog]

I'd rather have Blake than Foote, though many will argue that getting rid of Blake would have freed enough room for Foppa and Foote, which would have been a better deal.
Yeah, I cannot disagree with that, as both are awfully good, and Blake has the shot. But Foote's been sort of the guts.

I'd keep the Canadian (God forgive me) over the Swede though. The injuries.

[WaffleBoy]

So take your pick, Forsberg not an Av or no NHL?

I'll take Forsberg as a Flyer, thank you. :thumbs:

The Boy Wonder :super:

[ClevelandBronco2]

Im pissed because forsberg should be priority #1.... over Sakic, Blake, Foote whatever...

A healthy Forsberg, maybe. A Forsberg who can play a whole season, maybe. A Forsberg who isn't going to hop back to Sweden after this season, maybe.

Got any Forsbergs like that? Because the Avs didn't have any and now the Flyers don't either.

Sakic is priority #1. Heyduk #2. Blake/Foote/Forsberg/Tanguay #3.

I think PL did the right thing in a crappy situation.

[Bronx33]

A healthy Forsberg, maybe. A Forsberg who can play a whole season, maybe. A Forsberg who isn't going to hop back to Sweden after this season, maybe.

Got any Forsberg's like that? Because the Avs didn't have any and now the Flyers don't either.

Sakic is priority #1. Heyduk #2. Blake/Foote/Forsberg/Tanguay #3.

I think PL did the right thing in a crappy situation.

Tanguay just signed.....

[bendog]

with whom?

[Bronx33]

with whom?

opps.....http://www2.sportsnet.ca/nhl/free_agent_tracker.html

[bendog]

thanks

saw Scott Niedermayer went to the ducks. I knew he signed but didn't have the tv on to see where

[BRONCCRUSHFAN]

Some sportsfans would bitch about being hung with a new rope. The salaries and ticket prices were soaring out of control, and without a big television contract to offset them, and fans complained. Now they have put in measures to ensure the long term health of the league, and fans are complaining. You think we are the only team with salary problems, I'm sure the GMs with the Rangers and Leafs are saying "Okay where do we begin trimming?" This is the same effect that happened in the NFL, when they installed their salary cap, and some fans became quite upset. The Avalanche were lucky to be able to keep most of their core guys. I'm upset that Footer is gone, but I also know that it's business, and hopefully they've got a young defenseman that is ready to make that jump from the minors.

[Dukes]

I'm not anywhere near ready to say "**** Pierre Lacroix," because unlike the fairweathered Mightysmurf here, I can recall the great trades that he had made, and the great farm system that he has helped draft, among other great things that he has done for this Franchise.

Exactly, PL is the BEST GM in the NHL. Year in and year out he brings it playmakers. The Avs success thus far is directly related to him. I personally think any so called "Avs fan" that is wanting PL head isn't an Avs fan at all. We are so spoiled, give me a freakin break kid thwack

[Dukes]

D - Scott Niedermayer
Anaheim Mighty Ducks Four years, $27 million

Now thats a contract! Its cool he's playing along side his brother Rob Niedermayer in Anaheim now

[FADERPROOF]

Exactly, PL is the BEST GM in the NHL. Year in and year out he brings it playmakers. The Avs success thus far is directly related to him. I personally think any so called "Avs fan" that is wanting PL head isn't an Avs fan at all. We are so spoiled, give me a freakin break kid thwack

Yep, we won 2 cups without spending a dime in Free Agency, Sakic, Forsberg, Hejduk, Foote, Tanguay, Hinote were all brought up in the farm system with Roy, Blake, and Bourque all traded for, Avs never went out and spent millions of dollar on UFA's because Pierre had built a good enough farm system to go along with some shrewd midseason trading.

The guy has spent the last 10 years keeping the Avs at a Stanley Cup calibur team and now he was forced to make 1 economic move to keep us under the cap, and he gets thrown under the bus.

[Jens1893]

pierre was in a crappy situation where an unpopular choice had to be made ... tanguay and hejduk will help the avs more in the long term than foppa.

[wabbit]

The Avs made this move because of this new cap...it sucks...a lot

But I haven't heard anything regarding Detroit Dead Things players...my God, they've been over-paying those people forever.

They HAVE to let some people go.

Anyone heard anything

[Candy Cigarettes]

The Avs made this move because of this new cap...it sucks...a lot

But I haven't heard anything regarding Detroit Dead Things players...my God, they've been over-paying those people forever.

They HAVE to let some people go.

Anyone heard anything

They put Hatcher and McCarty on waivers last month. They signed Yzerman and Chelios to one year deals. They are getting on in years - Chelios is 43 and Yzerman is 40, I believe. I don't know what the Wings financial situation is - and if they have any money to play with.

[Candy Cigarettes]

They put Hatcher and McCarty on waivers last month. They signed Yzerman and Chelios to one year deals. They are getting on in years - Chelios is 43 and Yzerman is 40, I believe. I don't know what the Wings financial situation is - and if they have any money to play with.

According to AP report dated Aug. 4th, the Wings payroll is at $26.6 million and they have $12 million cap room left.

Just found this - from the Detroit Free Press dated today (Aug. 5th) :

"The 14 Red Wings under contract: Detroit has about $10 million to spend on nine players, including restricted free agents Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg and Niklas Kronwall, plus a starting goaltender. The league's salary ceiling is $39 million, but the Wings want to keep $1 million in reserve for emergencies."

[wabbit]

Thanks, man

10-mil UNDER?

Well, Pierre had better use that money he DIDN'T spend for Forsberg & Foote.

I heard him say he wanted to sign a defenseman, but I haven't heard any rumors who that might be...if it is anyone specific

[Jori]

Thanks, man

10-mil UNDER?

Well, Pierre had better use that money he DIDN'T spend for Forsberg & Foote.

I heard him say he wanted to sign a defenseman, but I haven't heard any rumors who that might be...if it is anyone specific
They signed Patrice Brisebois. If they bring anybody else in, it will be a forward most likely, and it would have to be under a million, assuming they have that much to spare. They'll be up to the cap once they get all their RFAs signed. The Avs better hope they don't have any nasty arbitration cases.

It'll be tight for the Avs this year, but they'll have cap room once Blake and Sakic's deals come off the books next summer. One thing to keep in mind, as we all know this cap is linked to revenues, if revenues go down, so will the cap. It wouldn't be a shock if the cap is $37 million next year. Teams that have avoided the free agency frenzy will be in better shape with more cap space next year, plus there will be a nice crop of younger UFAs.

Things seem bleak right now, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

[Jens1893]

They signed Patrice Brisebois. If they bring anybody else in, it will be a forward most likely, and it would have to be under a million, assuming they have that much to spare. They'll be up to the cap once they get all their RFAs signed. The Avs better hope they don't have any nasty arbitration cases.

It'll be tight for the Avs this year, but they'll have cap room once Blake and Sakic's deals come off the books next summer. One thing to keep in mind, as we all know this cap is linked to revenues, if revenues go down, so will the cap. It wouldn't be a shock if the cap is $37 million next year. Teams that have avoided the free agency frenzy will be in better shape with more cap space next year, plus there will be a nice crop of younger UFAs.

Things seem bleak right now, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

do you have a list with all the 2006 ufas?

[Jori]

do you have a list with all the 2006 ufas?
No I don't, its too early to put such a list together. It depends what RFAs take their qualifying offers or what other players get extentions. But I think you'll see guys like Lecavalier and Thornton on that list and you know how much Lacroix covets Prince Vince (i.e. 1998).

[Hercules Rockefeller]

MS sounds more like a Foppa fan than an Avs fan, kind of like a lot of people who have been calling into 560 and 950 over the past few days.

[bronco militia]

Thanks, man

10-mil UNDER?

Well, Pierre had better use that money he DIDN'T spend for Forsberg & Foote.

I heard him say he wanted to sign a defenseman, but I haven't heard any rumors who that might be...if it is anyone specific

the wings are kicking around the idea of re-signing Osgood...

bwahahahahaha!

[bronco militia]

The Avs made this move because of this new cap...it sucks...a lot

But I haven't heard anything regarding Detroit Dead Things players...my God, they've been over-paying those people forever.

They HAVE to let some people go.

Anyone heard anything

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature.asp?fid=7006

[Rascal]

I disagree. You keep your youth. It's no secret Forsberg is one stroke away from retiring and who knows when that will be. Tangy and Hejduk are young and the future of the club.

Foote is getting old and was starting to decline, admit or not but the fact remains that many in the league knew he was starting to slip. I don't fault him for losing Foote and Forsberg...I do fault him for the schmucks he brought in though.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Just goes to show what almost every player is loyal to.... money.

[Jens1893]

I disagree. You keep your youth. It's no secret Forsberg is one stroke away from retiring and who knows when that will be. Tangy and Hejduk are young and the future of the club.

yep, id rather keep 2 guys who can be here for another 6-7 years than one player whos probably going to hang up his skates in 2 years. are nhl contracts guaranteed?

[bronco militia]

are nhl contracts guaranteed?

yes...I guess I (we?) was expecting a cap like football, not basketball.