Khan's Camp Report 8/3

[Kaylore]

This was a great day to go to camp. The morning was partly cloudy for most of camp and there was a cool breeze all day. I was in the endzone today and that actually proved a little bit of a problem because I had the players lined up in front of me. I did get a good view on some things, though. Lets get started.

Pryce was out of pads but on the field. Luther Ellis and Dorsett Davis were suited up today. Q was also playing.

BVP is still the second team guy. He looked solid as ever. Plummer still looked the best. Kannell is still the fourth QB right now. I hear they are going to re-evaluate on Friday and go from there.

Drills. They ran passing and running drills. The O-line, D-line and Linebackers worked on the run drills and the Corners, receivers and Quarterbacks worked on passing drills. I saw a lot of one on one. They did one drill specifically which was the corner's playing way off and the receivers running button-hooks. They made the corners play off even though they knew what they were doing.

Dominique Foxworth picked off a pass to Charlie Adams. He was one of the better guys at closing on the ball.

Jerry Rice faked out Darrent Williams bad, but Williams wass able to recover and closed fast enough to knock the ball away at the last second.

Shoate got beat a lot today.

I watched Karl Paymah very closely today and he doesn't seem to hustle. there was one where Adams broke to the outside and Karl had only to close but he didn't seem move very fast to get to the receiver. It might be something else, but that's what I noticed.

Rod beat his guy consistantly. He didn't get a lot of reps in until the end of camp, which I'll get to later.

Lelie was the best at beating his man. He'd always cut the right way, and caught the ball consistantly. He looked good in drills, slumped a little during scrimmages and really showed up at the end.

Watts dropped more passes. I'm still not worried because Lelie looked like that this time last year and didn't get going until the Chargers game. There's lots of time left.

All the corners were getting beat a lot on that play, including Bailey. It looks hard to play off so much and then close suddenly. They'll get better. None of them got beat bad, they just made the catch.

Notable others: Devoe, Crenshaw, Luke - all had some decent catches.

[Mediator12]

I watched Karl Paymah very closely today and he doesn't seem to hustle. there was one where Adams broke to the outside and Karl had only to close but he didn't seem move very fast to get to the receiver. It might be something else, but that's what I noticed.

Allright that is it! Where the Hell Is Rocky Archambeaux??? I am going to open a can of Whoop A** if Paymah does not Hustle or give 100%. I do not root for SLACKERS!

[brncs_fan]

Woohoo. The highlight of my day has arrived.

[ludo21]

Dominique Foxworth picked off a pass to Charlie Adams. He was one of the better guys at closing on the ball.


Thats awesome!! if we can hit on at least 1 corner from this draft that would be cool. Upsetting tho that Rice beats his guy, but Rice is too slow to get seperation before the pass comes.... I mean Da is fast, but a WR should be able to beat the db after they juke them IMO.

Thanks for the reports again Kaylore.!

[Kaylore]

The run game.

All the backs looked good. You can really see the system work for them. Anderson still looked the best. He was the most complete of all the backs. One surprise was Maurice Clarrett. You can tell he's starting to improve. He had some nice runs and used some impressive juke moves.

Tatum looked good and has good speed to the outside, but gets swallowed up on runs up the middle.

Q ususally gets owned on Iso plays. Only when they really spread the defense out and the line gets a good push can he run up the middle at all. They use him in a lot of screens.

Clarrett caught a screen pass, but he ran away from his blockers after he got down field a bit. Alexander is a pretty good blocker. I'll get to tight ends next, but I can see why they like him now that I was able to see him blocking.

Bell was put in motion on one play during full team drills into the slot. He came across and a pass hit him in the hands and it bounced out right into Bailey. Bailey took and ran it right into the endzone. The crowd was real excited and he ran through the endzone with the ball thumping his chest at us. It was pretty sweet, but not cool to hear his hands still need work.

Next is full team drills -

[ludo21]

Im definitely no surpries MoC is improving. I mean he was a great athlete, but he was out of football for a year, so it was bound to take a little time. I hope MA keeps running strong! I like him more than Tatum but i do realize that on the field Bell is more explsive and when on top form can give more to the team.

[Traveler]

The run game.

All the backs looked good. You can really see the system work for them. Anderson still looked the best. He was the most complete of all the backs. One surprise was Maurice Clarrett. You can tell he's starting to improve. He had some nice runs and used some impressive juke moves.

Tatum looked good and has good speed to the outside, but gets swallowed up on runs up the middle.

Q ususally gets owned on Iso plays. Only when they really spread the defense out and the line gets a good push can he run up the middle at all. They use him in a lot of screens.

Clarrett caught a screen pass, but he ran away from his blockers after he got down field a bit. Alexander is a pretty good blocker. I'll get to tight ends next, but I can see why they like him now that I was able to see him blocking.

Bell was put in motion on one play during full team drills into the slot. He came across and a pass hit him in the hands and it bounced out right into Bailey. Bailey took and ran it right into the endzone. The crowd was real excited and he ran through the endzone with the ball thumping his chest at us. It was pretty sweet, but not cool to hear his hands still need work.

Next is full team drills -


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Kaylore again.


Glad to hear Foxsworth is still holding his own!

[fdf]

This was a great day to go to camp. The morning was partly cloudy for most of camp and there was a cool breeze all day. I was in the endzone today and that actually proved a little bit of a problem because I had the players lined up in front of me. I did get a good view on some things, though. Lets get started.

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Kaylore:

I don't post a lot but I do spend a lot of time up here. I just wanted to thank you for these posts and tell you how grateful I am that you are spending the time and energy to report this stuff.

fdf

[Kaylore]

Team drills were interesting. You Bell homers will be happy to hear that Bell and Anderson shared reps on the first team today, with Q as the second, and Dayne as the third. Alexander and Putz were used a lot on the first team, with Leach and Hape on the second. Nat Jackson didn't get any reps. i think he hurt himself yesterday. Devoe, Adams and Crenshaw were on the second team with Darius Watts and Rice splitting time on the first.

Plummer looked good. There were a few high passes but most found their mark. He put one right in a zone to find Rod Smith and made some great passes to all the tight-ends. He had a rel nice long pass to Lelie that Lelie appeared to catch ver acrobatically with Foxworth udnerneath. When he came down with it, one coach said he dropped it while the other said it was a catch. It was great.

They tried Mauk on the first team a little bit, but he quickly made several bad throws. He threw one that Ian Gold just leaped in front of and picked off. you could tell he was trying make more plays, but he just looke awkward.

I got a good look at all the Quarterbacks. Kannell threw into double coverage again and here's why. Kannell stares down receivers and then throws it anyway. He just looks at them too long. He'll stare and stare and then throw it and by the time he's begun the motion, the Safety has already started closing. He almost threw another pick but Crenshaw played defense on it.

Bradlee looked great today (Sorry Atlas). His throwing form is the best. His arm is almost completely verticle every time he throws, so his passes leave his hand at the absolute highest point. Mauk kind of side arms a lot of his throws and Kannell does too. Van Pelt took off on this one play when coverage broke down and must have ran 40 yards up the field before a single defender even touched him. He made some nice passes, and he had really improved throwing to his dump off guy during a blitz. He doesn't look to lose that second spot anytime soon but we have to see them all in a game.

Someone, I think Plummer, had a ball deflected at the line that Sam Brandon caught by reaching over two linemen and stealing. That was cool.

Next: Tight Ends - The stars of today

[SoCalBronco]

great work, khan!

[sirhcyennek81]

More suprising to hear that VanPelt is running the second team. What happened to Mauck and Kanell? By the sounds of things, both williams and foxworth or going to be good. maybe paymah needs to get smacked around alot, and its also not suprising to hear that rod didnt get to many reps, i think by now he knows what to do.

[brncs_fan]

How about a depth chart according to Khan based on your camp watching when you get all done.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Luther Ellis and Dorsett Davis were suited up today.
::)

[scorpio]

I only pray BVP will continue to improve so we don't have to gamble on a QB with the Redskins' first rounder.

[Kaylore]

The Tight Ends had their numbers called a lot today and they all looked great.

Stephen Alexander. His blocking did impress me, but what I like the most was that he didn't drop any balls. He had several great catches that went for some big gains. They like running them on slant patterns. He did a nice job of using his body as a wedge between the defender and the ball.

Jeb - He had some nice catches too. They didn't play him very much though. I wondered if his blocking sucked or something, but he rotated with Leach now and again on the first team.

Mike Leach - This was the most impressive receiver on the field today. I know, that sounds ridiculous, but its true. He had several passes where he had a defender on his tail and he had to leap up and just make finger tip grabs. I would say he looked a little better than Jeb today. There was one play where the pocket was slamming shut and Bradlee stepped up into it at the last minute and tossed one as he was getting tagged. It was a little high, but Leach was there coming across the middle to leap up and snag it. That's two days where he has made big grabs for us. His blocking is pretty good too.

Pat Hape - Hape looked good. He made some nice grabs. Leach outperformed him, though.

They threw to the TE's on a lot of PA boot plays, and are still running a lot of Two tight end sets. Rod and Rice had some sweet snags. Rice juke out a corner, I think it was Curome Cox, at the line snagged the ball and took off up field for a nice gain.

Ash put a wicked move on Foxworth, spun, grabbed the pass and continued in one motion up the field. Ash would have had a sweet pas up the middle. It was high and he went up there and had hit, but Bailey reached up with his hand pulled his catching arm off the ball and it fell to the ground. It was one of those defensive plays where it wasn't cool looking, but it was really smart and achieved what he wanted. On another Blitz Jake stumbling backward, threw a high one down to Ash, but it was too far off taget and he missed it.

Next: the D-line

[baja]

KHAN....

Question?

Do the other players seem to rally around BVP? Is he a leader? Will the team support him the way they support Jake?

[brncs_fan]

38 people viewing this thread, your a star khan.

[baja]

I'm going to rep the next ten posters so I can get back to Khan.

[Hotrod]

right here ;D

[sirhcyennek81]

36 days until opening day...36 days until opening day...

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I only pray BVP will continue to improve so we don't have to gamble on a QB with the Redskins' first rounder.

I'd rather them gamble with a high 1st than hope that a late 7th can be the guy

[brncs_fan]

Pick me pick me

[baja]

right here ;D

Can't too soon

[bombquixote]

when khan speaks, people listen.

you rule, khan.

[sirhcyennek81]

Brady was a 6th round pick. He is doing ok. if BVP can play, then where he was drafted does not matter.

[ozomulsion]

You Bell homers will be happy to hear that Bell and Anderson shared reps on the first team today, with Q as the second, and Dayne as the third.

Are there really folks out there who believe Bell won't be the starter come opening day? That's pretty funny. :loopy:

[Kaylore]

::)
I know, but Davis had a sack! He cam clean through and almost nailed Mauk outright. It reminded me why some teams have the QB's wear red jerseys during practices. I didn't actually see Ellis on any of the teams. He just did a lot of squad rills.

Because of where I was, I couldn't get a good view of individual playing ability. I can give you a general description of the squads, though.


The first team line which featured Brown, Warren, Myers and someone I couldn't see, was pretty consitant. They were the best at getting their hands up and in the face of the QB. They had a few deflections, one for and int that i already mentioned. Still consistant pressure in the pocket, but they struggled plugging the passing lanes. The O-line did their best to keep the passing lanes open.

The second team line was amazing. You can see how deep were are at D-line and how not so deep we are at O-line because there was almost no dropoff from the first team and second team D-line but they were obliterating the pocket, and coming through. What's so amazing about this is that Van Pelt kept making plays. I've totally changed my mind about the guy and feel i should appologize for hating on him here. Van pelt sometimes had so little time, but he was so athletic, he'd just roll out and make something happen. There was one play where he ran forward, and completed a pass down field, but it was called back because he threw past the line.

Next - The scrimmages

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Brady was a 6th round pick. He is doing ok. if BVP can play, then where he was drafted does not matter.

P Manning, Culpepper, Carr, Leftwich, Plummer (high 2nd), Favre (high 2nd), Brees (high 2nd), Pennington, Bledsoe, Palmer, and Vick out there now, with Alex Smith, Rivers, Eli, Roth, and Losman as the unproven young guys.

Brady is an outlier, not the norm.

[brncs_fan]

Are there really folks out there who believe Bell won't be the starter come opening day? That's pretty funny. :loopy:

Sounds like MA is giving him a run for his money.

I think the bigger question will be where Q falls on the chart because it sounds like Clarret is catching up.

[Kaylore]

The first D played the 2nd O and vice-versa. Van Pelt has his work cut out for him. He tried to make plays but the coverage was tight and the line was gone. They tried a screen play to putz and Ian tackled him as he caught it for a loss. 3 and out.

Next the first team O took the field. They moved pretty well down the field. At one point, it was third and eight, and that's when Jake shot a nice pass to rod in a soft zone for a big gain. I couldn't tell when or if they ever scored because it was the opposite side of the field and they stop drives to give the other teams reps alot.

Mauk was on the third team and looked bad. He had one nice deep ball but nothing worth mentioning. They were unable to convert.

Ok I'm hungry so that's your report for today. I'm going to be able to get a loot at the Special Teams preactices and will be there this afternoon. They are supposed to have it at 3:50 but some thunderheads are rolling in so we'll see. I'm going to eat lunch and will be back in a few for questions.

[BroncoInferno]

I'll take some rep right here, baja ;D

[sirhcyennek81]

Point being, if a player can play, where they are drafted hardly matters.

[baja]

KHAN....

Question?

Do the other players seem to rally around BVP?

Is he a leader?

Will the team support him the way they support Jake?

[footstepsfrom#27]

I know, but Davis had a sack! He cam clean through and almost nailed Mauk outright. It reminded me why some teams have the QB's wear red jerseys during practices. I didn't actually see Ellis on any of the teams. He just did a lot of squad rills.
:charge:

[Traveler]

The first D played the 2nd O and vice-versa. Van Pelt has his work cut out for him. He tried to make plays but the coverage was tight and the line was gone. They tried a screen play to putz and Ian tackled him as he caught it for a loss. 3 and out.

Next the first team O took the field. They moved pretty well down the field. At one point, it was third and eight, and that's when Jake shot a nice pass to rod in a soft zone for a big gain. I couldn't tell when or if they ever scored because it was the opposite side of the field and they stop drives to give the other teams reps alot.

Mauk was on the third team and looked bad. He had one nice deep ball but nothing worth mentioning. They were unable to convert.

Ok I'm hungry so that's your report for today. I'm going to be able to get a loot at the Special Teams preactices and will be there this afternoon. They are supposed to have it at 3:50 but some thunderheads are rolling in so we'll see. I'm going to eat lunch and will be back in a few for questions.


Is there any way for you to tell us about specific players, i.e., Brown? Again, thanks for the reports.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Point being, if a player can play, where they are drafted hardly matters.

That's true, but at this point that argument cannot be made for either BVP or Mauck, and neither will receive any playing time barring an injury to Plummer.

[brncs_fan]

How about a depth chart according to Khan based on your camp watching when you get all done.

[Kaylore]

Is there any way for you to tell us about specific players, i.e., Brown? Again, thanks for the reports.
Like I said, I couldn't see the D-line play on a personal level. There were players in the way. I was looking at the offensive players' back. So I saw down field but there were too many people in front of the D-line to see technique. I could see when the pocket collapsed, and who hit the right holes, but that's it.

I'll try making up a faux depth chart for you guys. That sounds like fun.

[ORANGECRUSH]

You heard it here first. zowie! BVP is going to be the next Tom Brady. zowie!

[RaiderH8r]

KHAN....

Question?

Do the other players seem to rally around BVP? Is he a leader? Will the team support him the way they support Jake?


http://www.thewavemag.com/images/articles/8001-9000/8686.jpg
"Channeling Khan......Miss Cleo says yes."

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Great job Kaylore.

Hope you are having as much fun writing these as we are reading them.

[dumpy]

You heard it here first. zowie! BVP is going to be the next Tom Brady. zowie!


http://66.49.247.155/BB/showthread.php?t=28210&page=3&pp=25

[Kaylore]

Ok, this means nothing. Just some fun guesswork.

Offense:

WR 80 Rod Smith 17 Darius Watts

LT 78 Matt Lepsis 65 Cooper Carlisle

LG 50 Ben Hamilton 62 Chris Myers

C 66 Tom Nalen 50 Ben Hamilton

RG 65 Cooper Carlisle 77 Dwayne Carswell 70 Tyson Clabo

RT 72 George Foster 74 Cornell Green

TE 88 Jeb Putzier 82 Stephen Alexander 89 Nate Jackson 83 Mike Leach/Hape?

WR 85 Ashley Lelie 19 Jerry Rice 14 Todd Devoe

QB 16 Jake Plummer 11 Bradlee Van Pelt 13 Danny Kannell

RB 38 Mike Anderson 26 Tatum Bell 21 Quentin Griffin 33 Ron Dayne

FB 39 Kyle Johnson 37 Cecil Sapp

Defense:

Broncos Defense
LE 98 Courtney Brown 92 Marco Coleman 91 Ebenezer Ekuban

LT 76 Mike Myers 68 Mario Fatafehi

RT 61 Gerard Warren 75 Monsanto Pope

RE 92 Trevor Pryce 60 John Engleberger

WLB 52 Ian Gold 51 Keith Burns

MLB 56 Al Wilson 54 Patrick Chukwurah

SLB 55 DJ Williams 58 Terry Pierce 57 Jashon Sykes

LCB 24 Champ Bailey 40 Roc Alexander

RCB 35 Lenny Walls 22 Dominique Foxworth 27 Darrent Williams

SS 25 Nick Ferguson 42 Sam Brandon

FS 47 John Lynch 31 Jeremy LeSeur 29 Brandon Browner

Broncos Specialists
P 10 Todd Sauerbrun

K 1 Jason Elam

KO 10 Todd Sauerbrun 1 Jason Elam

PR 27 Darrent Williams 10 Triandos Luke 24 Champ Bailey

KR 27 Darrent Williams 10 Triandos Luke 45 Roc Alexander

PC 83 Mike Leach 86 Patrick Hape

KC 83 Mike Leach 78 Matt Lepsis 50 Ben Hamilton

H 10 Todd Sauerbrun 13 Danny Kannell

Injured Reserve: Maurice Clarrett (groin), Paul Ernster (Toe fungus)

Practice squad: Matt Mauk, Chad Friehauf, Karl Paymah, Wesley Duke, Jeff Shoate, Patrice Majondo-Mwamba, Erik Pears, someone random

I didn't count players so I'm sure I'm over/under.

I figure a few "get hurt" and we rebuild them. Then have those guys for practice squad. I haven't watched special teams yet, either.

[Kaylore]

KHAN....

Question?

Do the other players seem to rally around BVP?

Is he a leader?

Will the team support him the way they support Jake?

I honestly can't tell. He makes plays and throws to the open guy, so I would think so.

[ludo21]

http://66.49.247.155/BB/showthread.php?t=28210&page=3&pp=25


Nice call~ see how in the dark us fans were everyone was picking Mauck back then, now look, BVP is doing good. I picked Kannell btw, and im way off!!

Im a homer so im on BVP's back now!!

[footstepsfrom#27]

Practice squad: Matt Mauk, Chad Friehauf, Karl Paymah, Wesley Duke, Jeff Shoate, Patrice Majondo-Mwamba, Erik Pears, someone random
I give someone random a pretty good shot at the PS.

[Kaylore]

I give someone random a pretty good shot at the PS.
He's a great player; Good hands.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Ok, this means nothing. Just some fun guesswork.

Injured Reserve: Maurice Clarrett (groin), Paul Ernster (Toe fungus)

Practice squad: Matt Mauk, Chad Friehauf, Karl Paymah, Wesley Duke, Jeff Shoate, Patrice Majondo-Mwamba, Erik Pears, someone random

I didn't count players so I'm sure I'm over/under.

I figure a few "get hurt" and we rebuild them. Then have those guys for practice squad. I haven't watched special teams yet, either.


Watch out Kaylore - the bashing is about to start.

(and make sure to get the toe fungus spread around Ernster's locker)

[Kaylore]

Watch out Kaylore - the bashing is about to start.

(and make sure to get the toe fungus spread around Ernster's locker)
I've got my jar ready to go! ;D

[Arkie]

Injured Reserve: Maurice Clarrett (groin), Paul Ernster (Toe fungus)

Hilarious!

[scorpio]

Nice call~ see how in the dark us fans were everyone was picking Mauck back then, now look, BVP is doing good. I picked Kannell btw, and im way off!!

Im a homer so im on BVP's back now!!


Yesss, come to the Dark Side....

[ozomulsion]

Sounds like MA is giving him a run for his money.

I think the bigger question will be where Q falls on the chart because it sounds like Clarret is catching up.

Agreed. It's a win win situation. I'm glad the kid has someone pushing him. Also with Mike running well he'll be able to take some of the load off of Tatum's shoulders when we have a big lead at the end of games. :) I'm lovin' it!

[Crushaholic]

Agreed. It's a win win situation. I'm glad the kid has someone pushing him. Also with Mike running well he'll be able to take some of the load off of Tatum's shoulders when we have a big lead at the end of games. :) I'm lovin' it!

I agree. It would be really nice to have two completely different styles of running backs in Anderson and Bell both be productive. That way, we can insert either one based on the situation.

[SoCalBronco]

Go Tatum and Big Mo!

[Hotrod]

I agree. It would be really nice to have two completely different styles of running backs in Anderson and Bell both be productive. That way, we can insert either one based on the situation.

While thats true I just cant stand RBBC Im hoping one stands out during the preseason and becomes the go to guy. I think RB's need to get in the flow.

[brncs_fan]

Do we have a list of the Bell homers? If we do then I would like to be placed on it please.

[NaptownChief]

Kaylore is this accurate?



Broncos | Pryce Misses Practice
Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:55:21 -0700

Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan said DL Trevor Pryce (back) missed practice Wednesday morning, August 3, because his back was a little sore. Shanahan said he expects Pryce to practice Thursday, August 4

[Mediator12]

P Manning, Culpepper, Carr, Leftwich, Plummer (high 2nd), Favre (high 2nd), Brees (high 2nd), Pennington, Bledsoe, Palmer, and Vick out there now, with Alex Smith, Rivers, Eli, Roth, and Losman as the unproven young guys.

Brady is an outlier, not the norm.

Delhomme, Bulger, Griese, Green, and Warner too!

[Broncoman13]

He's a great player; Good hands.


Hands are good but his speed is suspect... put his hands on another random guy and we'd have a helluva random PS player!

[SoCalBronco]

Delhomme, Bulger, Griese, Green, and Warner too!

Go SOB!

[Broncoman13]

Kaylore is this accurate?



Broncos | Pryce Misses Practice
Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:55:21 -0700

Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan said DL Trevor Pryce (back) missed practice Wednesday morning, August 3, because his back was a little sore. Shanahan said he expects Pryce to practice Thursday, August 4


I would assume it is... he said that Pryce didn't practice. I think he's through, he'll never be the same..... now go back to the planet and spread your rumor!

[NaptownChief]

Practice squad: Matt Mauk, Chad Friehauf, Karl Paymah, Wesley Duke, Jeff Shoate, Patrice Majondo-Mwamba, Erik Pears, someone random







I can't imagine the Donks throwing a high 3rd round pick on the PS...Some team would snatch him up just to irk the Donks. He was your second highest pick so no matter if he were to really stink they probably wouldn't be willing to swallow their pride and cut him in the first year.

[SoCalBronco]

I can't imagine the Donks throwing a high 3rd round pick on the PS...Some team would snatch him up just to irk the Donks. He was your second highest pick so no matter if he were to really stink they probably wouldn't be willing to swallow their pride and cut him in the first year.

Yeah, in my latest projections, i had him barely missing the cut along with Dayne. If thats the case, I think they will put him on the IR to hide him as opposed to the PS, in addition it saves the embarassment of cutting a 3rd rounder. Same deal as last year with LeSueur if he cant crack the Top 53 and its going to be hard too, considering it seems in addition to Bailey and Walls, Darrent Williams is an automatic as a PR-KR and 2nd rounder, Foxworth looks like he is a lock based on merit and Roc seems like he is going to make it as well as LeSueur. So the math is going to be difficult for Karl. However if we do not keep both Ernster and Sauerbrun OR we keep 8 instead of 9 OL, he can get in there.

[OrangeForceOne]

Kaylore is this accurate?



Broncos | Pryce Misses Practice
Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:55:21 -0700

Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan said DL Trevor Pryce (back) missed practice Wednesday morning, August 3, because his back was a little sore. Shanahan said he expects Pryce to practice Thursday, August 4
As I said he was out there but not in pads. He looked ok. If I were him, I would take a day off. Remember that the players hate camp. "Uh, Coach. the Old back is flaring up again. I'll just observe take mental notes." :~ohyah!:

[telluride]

Nice updates. Makes me feel...optimistic.

[SoCalBronco]

Nice updates. Makes me feel...optimistic.

Shanny's busted.

[Phantom]

The first team line which featured Brown, Warren, Myers and someone I couldn't see ...

The guy you couldn't see may have been Ek.

:poke:

NOOOOO, we have the Browns DL!

:drown:

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Delhomme, Bulger, Griese, Green, and Warner too!

I'll take my QB list, and Griese was still a first day pick.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I figure a few "get hurt" and we rebuild them. Then have those guys for practice squad. I haven't watched special teams yet, either.

Despite the continued perpetuation by some here of the idea that players get "stashed" on IR without significant injuries, that just doesn't happen. The NFL has safeguards to ensure that teams don't do that in order to retain someone they'd have to cut but couldn't clear waivers to make the PS.

[Play2win]

The guy you couldn't see may have been Ek.

:poke:

NOOOOO, we have the Browns DL!

:drown:

Can you imagine if that was our starters on opening day. Shanny tells Trevor he'll be in on the 2nd play of the game, Shanny just wanted to Spite the whole national media by starting the whole Browns line. That would be classic!!

[SoCalBronco]

Despite the continued perpetuation by some here of the idea that players get "stashed" on IR without significant injuries, that just doesn't happen. The NFL has safeguards to ensure that teams don't do that in order to retain someone they'd have to cut but couldn't clear waivers to make the PS.

Come on Herc. Do you really believe that? Do you really think there was some hernia injury that limited LeSueur last year when we had heard nothing about it and he had played in every preseason game. Hell, even Mediator conceded that at most it was just an "old injury they decided to clean up because it was determined that he needed another year".

[NaptownChief]

Despite the continued perpetuation by some here of the idea that players get "stashed" on IR without significant injuries, that just doesn't happen. The NFL has safeguards to ensure that teams don't do that in order to retain someone they'd have to cut but couldn't clear waivers to make the PS.


I'm not disagreeing with you but what are those safeguards? When it comes to football players it is pretty easy to come up with a legitimate injury and nearly every player has a handful.

[MVPlaya]

Kaylore, how did Tatum Bell perform during the scrimmages?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Come on Herc. Do you really believe that? Do you really think there was some hernia injury that limited LeSueur last year when we had heard nothing about it and he had played in every preseason game. Hell, even Mediator conceded that at most it was just an "old injury they decided to clean up because it was determined that he needed another year".

Spin it how you want about what Denver did, but a hernia is still a legit injury. 8-10 weeks (or at least it was in my case) before you can even start doing any physical activity again. To claim that LaSeuer was "stashed" on IR without a real injury is not true. The NFL is going to make sure that he really had a hernia when that was the team's reasoning for putting him on the list. People here flippantly talk like there was nothing wrong with him and speculate about other guys that the same can be done to.

Also that he played in all the preseason games isn't totally indicative of his health. When I had my hernia operated on, the doctor told me afterwards he thought that I might have had it at birth even though I'd only passed about 8 or so physicals in my life up to that point without anything ever being detected. It was only when I thought that I'd magically grown a 3rd nut over a few day period did I think anything could be wrong. No pain or discomfort my entire life up to that point when I played sports or worked out.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I'm not disagreeing with you but what are those safeguards? When it comes to football players it is pretty easy to come up with a legitimate injury and nearly every player has a handful.

I'm sure they look at the injury, and if normal medical science dictates that someone should not be physically active for x number of weeks he can go on IR. The League has seen enough injuries over the years, they know what the normal recovery time is going to be for just about any injury.

[ND Bronco Fan]

I'm sure they look at the injury, and if normal medical science dictates that someone should not be physically active for x number of weeks he can go on IR. The League has seen enough injuries over the years, they know what the normal recovery time is going to be for just about any injury.


Good thing we did not have to stick Griese on the IR........"well uh you see Mr. Tagliabue, he tripped over his dog so he can't play any more"

[SoCalBronco]

Spin it how you want about what Denver did, but a hernia is still a legit injury. 8-10 weeks (or at least it was in my case) before you can even start doing any physical activity again. To claim that LaSeuer was "stashed" on IR without a real injury is not true. The NFL is going to make sure that he really had a hernia when that was the team's reasoning for putting him on the list. People here flippantly talk like there was nothing wrong with him and speculate about other guys that the same can be done to.

Also that he played in all the preseason games isn't totally indicative of his health. When I had my hernia operated on, the doctor told me afterwards he thought that I might have had it at birth even though I'd only passed about 8 or so physicals in my life up to that point without anything ever being detected. It was only when I thought that I'd magically grown a 3rd nut over a few day period did I think anything could be wrong. No pain or discomfort my entire life up to that point when I played sports or worked out.

If thats the case that it can go undetected like that for a long time, than are you saying that LeSueur was a flat out liar when he said a few days ago the reason why he was struggling last year in camp was because he was hurt the whole time? Either he's lying or the team is essentially lying. Not that I care. We didnt hear a single report or even a KFFL blurb about any injuries whatsoever, much less that he sat out even one practice or said even a word about it.

Like i said though, it doesnt matter much to me either way. I actually find it amusing and like the competitive aspect of it.

[bronco militia]

I can't imagine the Donks throwing a high 3rd round pick on the PS...Some team would snatch him up just to irk the Donks. He was your second highest pick so no matter if he were to really stink they probably wouldn't be willing to swallow their pride and cut him in the first year.

you think a team would cut one of their own players off of the active roster just to "irk" the Donks?

[OrangeShadow]

great report man

[baja]

I give someone random a pretty good shot at the PS.

Well he has to be better than that dick noone.

[MVPlaya]

In addition to the Tatum Bell (moreso, how did the running backs play during scrimmage), did get a chance to see how Nick Feugerson played?

[Drek]

I watched Karl Paymah very closely today and he doesn't seem to hustle. there was one where Adams broke to the outside and Karl had only to close but he didn't seem move very fast to get to the receiver. It might be something else, but that's what I noticed. The knock on Paymah in the draft was that he wasn't a real burner in college, despite his great 40 time. He's a downfield runner by most accounts. Also, lets not forget that its hard to get 100% out of CBs when you tell them something like "our WRs will be running hooks, but play off and let them beat you anyways". I mean, its great for making sure the WRs run clean routes, and teaching the CBs how to get into a play they otherwise might have ran themselves out of, but its not Paymah's thing. He's an in your face, jam you at the line, real physical type of corner by all acounts, not a guy like Williams or Foxworth who makes the play on the ball after its in flight.

I think that might disapoint some about Paymah, I don't think he'll be a turnover guy because if he's playing well the QB shouldn't see his man as being open. He doesn't have the agility of a Bailey, Williams, or Foxworth to trail off his man and make those split second breaks that make QBs wonder where the hell they came from.

Special teams and the job of facing the opposition's #3 WR man to man when we choose to play them like that is what I'm expecting Paymah to be looking at for the next year or two. After that he'll either establish himself as a legitimate physical CB or he'll try FS to see how that works for him.


I'd rather them gamble with a high 1st than hope that a late 7th can be the guy Me too, but I prefer option #3, a late first/early second round QB with talent, but one who won't demand an $8.5M per year salary from year one. High 1st round QBs are too much of a risk in my opinion. If we want to draft a new QB to replace Plummer (instead of singing an FA or stickign with Van Pelt/Mauck) we should be looking for something like what happened to Aaron Rogers this year, a QB who has the skills and mental makeup, but slides down the board because there just aren't that many teams left who want to draft and pay a QB top 10 money.

Of course, thats assuming you have to overpay a top 10 QB compared to any top 10 player. All really high draft picks get overpaid, but QBs are the ones who most often demand more than their draft position normally slots them in at.

By the by, would anyone happen to know Van Pelt's combine stats? Namely height, weight, 40 time, and bench reps. Wonderlic would be a sweet find too.

[i4jelway7]

Well he has to be better than that dick noone.


ahh.. come on baja.. Nick "The Hitman" isn't bad.... he has questionable cover skills... but.. he is not as bad as you are making him out to be

[Drek]

Damn! Found Van Pelt's combine stats, or at least some of them:
Van Pelt, Bradlee · Colorado State, 5-6, 6-2, 223, 4.98, 2.84, 1.72, 33 1/2, 9'7", 4.15, 6.91

Not sure what every number corresponds with, but that 4.98 was the 40 time (double checked with ESPN, also reported a 4.9). Is he really that damn slow? I tought he optioned a lot at Colorado State?

[ludo21]

Damn! Found Van Pelt's combine stats, or at least some of them:
Van Pelt, Bradlee · Colorado State, 5-6, 6-2, 223, 4.98, 2.84, 1.72, 33 1/2, 9'7", 4.15, 6.91

Not sure what every number corresponds with, but that 4.98 was the 40 time (double checked with ESPN, also reported a 4.9). Is he really that damn slow? I tought he optioned a lot at Colorado State?



I wish i was THAT slow, a 4.9 is fast for a qb. That boy can move, and plus hes got football speed.

[TheReverend]

Ever notice in any training camp report all you hear about Sam Brandon is making turn-overs and phenomenal play... why dont we put him on the field more? I'd rather have a ballhawk out there than a sure-tackler... both in one would be nice.

[NaptownChief]

you think a team would cut one of their own players off of the active roster just to "irk" the Donks?



Absolutely...There will be several teams that have some fringe type player at the end of their roster that they won't value as much as sticking it to some rival team. There will be some teams that really value the last couple guys that made the roster and wouldn't do that but there will be teams like the Raiders that value players more on where they got drafted than what kind of player they actually are.

And that is before we even get to the usual bring the player in to found out what the Donks have been game planning bit that all teams do.

[OrangeForceOne]

Well he has to be better than that dick noone.
That guy keyed my car. What loser.

[broncos love]

Great job Khan on the reports, i wish i was there. how is luke looking and you think he will make the cut this year

[Drek]

I wish i was THAT slow, a 4.9 is fast for a qb. That boy can move, and plus hes got football speed. Whatever, I doubt theres a starting linebacker in the NFL he could actually outrun.

He's got good size though, so thats something at least, and by all acounts is at least an athletic fella. Better than some stiff with no speed and no mobility (i.e. Kerry Collins).

[TheManeMan]

Thanks again for the reports Kaylore...:thumbs: greatly appreciated...

[El Guapo]

Can I make a suggestion??

First off, I REALLY appreciate these camp updates -- they're awesome! ok, to the business...


can you just edit your first post with the continuing details of camp?? After doing this you can post in the thread saying that the first post has been updated.

[Rock Chalk]

Can I make a suggestion??

First off, I REALLY appreciate these camp updates -- they're awesome! ok, to the business...


can you just edit your first post with the continuing details of camp?? After doing this you can post in the thread saying that the first post has been updated.
Cant do that. For some reason there seems to be a tiny limit on the size of posts now, probably due to the server being a piece of **** and the company sucking hairy ape balls. He cant fit it all in one post now.

[El Guapo]

gah.. that sucks. oh well. :D

[DarkHorse]

So as it stands now you don't see Mo challenging Dayne or Q for a spot? Like I said, as you see it now?

[16-JakE-16]

Bell was put in motion on one play during full team drills into the slot. He came across and a pass hit him in the hands and it bounced out right into Bailey. Bailey took and ran it right into the endzone. The crowd was real excited and he ran through the endzone with the ball thumping his chest at us. It was pretty sweet, but not cool to hear his hands still need work.



:pity: Champ needs to start working on not getting beat by training camp fodder instead of getting pumped up over a tipped ball from a back with rocks for hands.

[Rock Chalk]

So as it stands now you don't see Mo challenging Dayne or Q for a spot? Like I said, as you see it now?
Eh, from my interpretation of the progression through camp, I think Mo and Q are somewhat equal. Mo showing signs of improvement, Q having flashes but having struggles.

I think the best surprise is for the starting role. I know Bell will be a monster and if MA is looking better than Bell right now, that says a lot about how we have vastly under-rated MA...IF that be the case going into the season. Many were talking "Get his ass off the team!" merely a few weeks ago, and still some are saying that, but if he is challenging and indeed, even leading for the number one spot, then well, he's a keeper.

I think Mo will make the team only because Bobby picked him and Bobby needs to be happy with a project, providing he doesnt impress more than those ahead of him during the rest of camp. I still see Q getting cut at the end even if he outperforms Mo.

[Kaylore]

So as it stands now you don't see Mo challenging Dayne or Q for a spot? Like I said, as you see it now?
They've all looked good. Maurice was the one who stuggled the most at the start of camp, but he's starting to show some real progress.

One thing that is nice is they are all getting better. Q has his knee which is an obvious concern. Dayne looks good and could be another 1200 yard back for us, but its really between Anderson and Bell for the starting job and Bell is starting to catch up. Dayne could have a nice backup spot if he keeps plugging away. They'll keep Maurice, as Alec said, because he's Coach Turner's project and has a lot of potential.

[watermock]

Ok, this means nothing. Just some fun guesswork.

Offense:

WR 80 Rod Smith 17 Darius Watts

LT 78 Matt Lepsis 65 Cooper Carlisle

LG 50 Ben Hamilton 62 Chris Myers

C 66 Tom Nalen 50 Ben Hamilton

RG 65 Cooper Carlisle 77 Dwayne Carswell 70 Tyson Clabo

RT 72 George Foster 74 Cornell Green

TE 88 Jeb Putzier 82 Stephen Alexander 89 Nate Jackson 83 Mike Leach/Hape?

WR 85 Ashley Lelie 19 Jerry Rice 14 Todd Devoe

QB 16 Jake Plummer 11 Bradlee Van Pelt 13 Danny Kannell

RB 38 Mike Anderson 26 Tatum Bell 21 Quentin Griffin 33 Ron Dayne

FB 39 Kyle Johnson 37 Cecil Sapp

Defense:

Broncos Defense
LE 98 Courtney Brown 92 Marco Coleman 91 Ebenezer Ekuban

LT 76 Mike Myers 68 Mario Fatafehi

RT 61 Gerard Warren 75 Monsanto Pope

RE 92 Trevor Pryce 60 John Engleberger

WLB 52 Ian Gold 51 Keith Burns

MLB 56 Al Wilson 54 Patrick Chukwurah

SLB 55 DJ Williams 58 Terry Pierce 57 Jashon Sykes

LCB 24 Champ Bailey 40 Roc Alexander

RCB 35 Lenny Walls 22 Dominique Foxworth 27 Darrent Williams

SS 25 Nick Ferguson 42 Sam Brandon

FS 47 John Lynch 31 Jeremy LeSeur 29 Brandon Browner

Broncos Specialists
P 10 Todd Sauerbrun

K 1 Jason Elam

KO 10 Todd Sauerbrun 1 Jason Elam

PR 27 Darrent Williams 10 Triandos Luke 24 Champ Bailey

KR 27 Darrent Williams 10 Triandos Luke 45 Roc Alexander

PC 83 Mike Leach 86 Patrick Hape

KC 83 Mike Leach 78 Matt Lepsis 50 Ben Hamilton

H 10 Todd Sauerbrun 13 Danny Kannell

Injured Reserve: Maurice Clarrett (groin), Paul Ernster (Toe fungus)

Practice squad: Matt Mauk, Chad Friehauf, Karl Paymah, Wesley Duke, Jeff Shoate, Patrice Majondo-Mwamba, Erik Pears, someone random

I didn't count players so I'm sure I'm over/under.

I figure a few "get hurt" and we rebuild them. Then have those guys for practice squad. I haven't watched special teams yet, either.

I thought Pryce was on the left and Brown on the right. Me is confuseder more and more. They might we moving them around to see what looks right.

Does C. Brown still look gimpy, or just needs to get in football shape?

[DB-Freak]

They've all looked good. Maurice was the one who stuggled the most at the start of camp, but he's starting to show some real progress.

One thing that is nice is they are all getting better. Q has his knee which is an obvious concern. Dayne looks good and could be another 1200 yard back for us, but its really between Anderson and Bell for the starting job and Bell is starting to catch up. Dayne could have a nice backup spot if he keeps plugging away. They'll keep Maurice, as Alec said, because he's Coach Turner's project and has a lot of potential.
I'm pretty positive MoC will be the top back up by end of the season.

[SoCalBronco]

I'm pretty positive MoC will be the top back up by end of the season.

Try Week 3 or so. He is starting to kick ass just as we knew he would.

[Rock Chalk]

Try Week 3 or so. He is starting to kick ass just as we knew he would.
Take the penis out of your mouth and back away.

[Hogan11]

They've all looked good. Maurice was the one who stuggled the most at the start of camp, but he's starting to show some real progress.

One thing that is nice is they are all getting better. Q has his knee which is an obvious concern. Dayne looks good and could be another 1200 yard back for us, but its really between Anderson and Bell for the starting job and Bell is starting to catch up. Dayne could have a nice backup spot if he keeps plugging away. They'll keep Maurice, as Alec said, because he's Coach Turner's project and has a lot of potential.

Not to mention Mo's jersey sales at the team shop almost guarentee he makes the team Ha!

[SoCalBronco]

Take the penis out of your mouth and back away.

Alec, he said top backup not the starter, so your boy Tatum is safe i dont know why your acting like that. Ive always maintained that there was no way anyone, MA or MoC included was going to beat Tatum out for the job this year. But Mo will get a good bit of short yardage and red zone work.

[Drek]

Given everyone staying healthy I don't see Clarett being within even sniffing distance of the backup role. That'll be the looser between Mike Anderson and Bell, followed by Q (starter from last year), then Dayne if he makes the roster (his running style in college). We've never been a team to rush young RBs onto the field unless forced to do so because of injuries, and I think thats a good thing because Clarett should be focused on learning a new one move and go running style, absorbing everything Turner says to him, and getting back in ideal football shape.

edit: Tater better watch his ass come '06 though, Mo is going to be hard to beat out once he's back in shape. At Ohio State the kid deflected hits like he was a human gyroscope, always staying up and moving ahead, deflecting defenders and keeping his momentum heading downfield. Thats exactly what we want in an RB, guys like Tater and Portis are nice because they give that homerun threat, but they don't fit our style quite like I think the braintrust would want.

[watermock]

What the hell ever happened to the Hamburgler, Or Erlichman, or whatever that guy is we threw Middlebrooks at? I haven't heard anything.

[watermock]

Give Beer Belly a little time to get into football shape. The kid was incredible for OSU as a freshman. He's still pretty raw but has all the tools, specifically good hands and good vision. He's never going to be a burner, but neither was TD. The scrapheap is littered with burners like Trung Candidate. Now I'm not pretending to compare Big Mo to TD, that would be ludicrous, but there are physical similarities. I don't think MoC has the mental toughness, but IMO, and it's just my opinion, they have similiar styles. All MoC has to do is make progress. People forget what a phenom he was as a freshman at OSU. He's got fresh legs to boot. Yeah, he got nicked up as a freshman, but that was 3 years ago. OSU wasn't playing San Diego state for the national championship, they were playing Miami, and Clarett chased down Sean Taylor to save the day. Give the kid time to settle in and get in football shape before we make brash evaluations. I have said all along this is a player for 2006. He's still a kid quite honestly. I'm not sure Bell is panning out as much as we hoped. I really like a back that has recieving skills. Both Anderson and Bell fall short in that catagory IMO.

I was screaming for screen plays to Q constantly, it's good to see that they finally are listening to me.

[DB-Freak]

The guy is very similar to TD if not more gifted.

MoC will wreck havoc in this league once he starts getting the system and gets into shape.

The guy hasnt been playing football for about 2 years.

[Mr. Trout]

Despite the continued perpetuation by some here of the idea that players get "stashed" on IR without significant injuries, that just doesn't happen. The NFL has safeguards to ensure that teams don't do that in order to retain someone they'd have to cut but couldn't clear waivers to make the PS.


I agree with you. A lot of people on here always say "just stash him on IR" That really isn't the way it happens. If they are too ****ty to make the team or practice squad cut em. I think Clarett will end up on the active roster but we will see.

[watermock]

I think MoC will be inactive but on the roster to start the season.

[broncogary]

What the hell ever happened to the Hamburgler, Or Erlichman, or whatever that guy is we threw Middlebrooks at? I haven't heard anything.

It's Engelburgh, the fat kid from "Bad News Bears," MoC k. :woowoo:

[Hogan11]

Of course Clarett makes the team in some way....afterall, when's the last time you've seen this for a rookie at the team's shop and he doesn't make the team??

http://den.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p1983954reg.jpg

[watermock]

These reports by Khan about BVD are intriguing. He must of made a quantum leap forward. I think Danno might have hit the road, or Mauck. Doesn't sound like Mauck has improved, maybe a step back, and Khan says Danno has sucked. I certainly didn't expect it. Maybe a year in the booth WAS the right tact rather than send him to NFLE.

Nothing wrong with having a physical QB, especially the backup. Again, not to make comparisons, but there are a few similarities with say, a Favre. Now Favre is a HOF lock, but he's kinda built the same. Honestly, I thought BVD was just too stupid to make it, and was erratic on his throws. If he has that nice overhead delivery and can keep developing, who knows. He's got size, speed and arm strength, I'm just surprised he's more accurate. I had totally written him off as a lab rat.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

The guy is very similar to TD if not more gifted.

MoC will wreck havoc in this league once he starts getting the system and gets into shape.

The guy hasnt been playing football for about 2 years.


In the drills I saw the other day, he was light years behind Anderson, Bell and Dayne. I am betting IR or inactive every game except a few laughers at the end of the season.

[listopencil]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Kaylore again." Damn stupid rep system.

If some of these Browns D-Linemen end up as starters we got a hell of a deal. Three of them? That would be incredible.

[TheReverend]

I was screaming for screen plays to Q constantly, it's good to see that they finally are listening to me.

I'm guessing they actually heard you, thought it was a great idea and will credit your insane ass as the REAL superbowl MVP when we win on a Q screen play.

[SleepingTiger]

Kaylore:

I don't post a lot but I do spend a lot of time up here. I just wanted to thank you for these posts and tell you how grateful I am that you are spending the time and energy to report this stuff.

fdf


ditto

[Kaylore]

Hey guys. The new Broncos TV is up with the hilights from today. For the record, I did notice one mistake I made. The tipped pass I reffered to earlier was actually intercepted by Nick Fergusson, not Sam Brandon. Take a look at some of the Mike Leach catches that I was talking about. Mason gets some good shots of them and they will make you wonder where he has been hiding for so long. :Broncos:

[Drek]

In the drills I saw the other day, he was light years behind Anderson, Bell and Dayne. I am betting IR or inactive every game except a few laughers at the end of the season. Keep in mind that Clarett of all the RBs has the least experience in our running schemes. Its a rough transition on young backs because we run such a different run scheme from what most teams teach.

[broncogary]

Hey guys. The new Broncos TV is up with the hilights from today. For the record, I did notice one mistake I made. The tipped pass I reffered to earlier was actually intercepted by Nick Fergusson, not Sam Brandon. Take a look at some of the Mike Leach catches that I was talking about. Mason gets some good shots of them and they will make you wonder where he has been hiding for so long. :Broncos:

Yeah, I think Leach made some good catches in the next to last or last pre-season game last year. Even saw him be the first guy downfield on some punts last year after snapping.

[TheReverend]

The guy is very similar to TD if not more gifted.

MoC will wreck havoc in this league once he starts getting the system and gets into shape.

The guy hasnt been playing football for about 2 years.

Couldn't agree more. I want Bell to get 90% of the carries this year and Mo get 10% as a year of indoc and learning. That way in the post-season we can trade Bell for a defensive stud and start the age of Maurice.

[Kaylore]

Keep in mind that Clarett of all the RBs has the least experience in our running schemes. Its a rough transition on young backs because we run such a different run scheme from what most teams teach.
And he's been out of football two years. And he only had one season at the college level. He's got a ways to go, but he's coming around slowly but surely. With a good offseason program and some reps all season long, I'm sure he has a future with us.

[Pat Bowlen]

Honestly, I thought BVD was just too stupid to make it, and was erratic on his throws. If he has that nice overhead delivery and can keep developing, who knows. He's got size, speed and arm strength, I'm just surprised he's more accurate. I had totally written him off as a lab rat.
Well, we have been testing a large amounts of steroids on him...

[Atlas]

Keep in mind that Clarett of all the RBs has the least experience in our running schemes. Its a rough transition on young backs because we run such a different run scheme from what most teams teach.

It's not really that tough considering DSavis, Gary, Anderson, Portis all rushed for over 1,100 yards in their rookie years. Denver just needs to find RBs to fit their system which Clarret does. If Clarret starts this year for the Broncos he will get 1,100 yards rushing at least.

The problem of course for him is that if Bell starts at RB this year he will get 1,300-1,500 yards rushing.

[watermock]

There is a very big difference. Clarett only has 1 year of NCAA football. Not only was he a freshman, but he was a TRUE freshman. Yes, he got alot of work, and alot of work in H.S., but all the other backs you named had full careers in college. Anderson had limited experience, but still more than Clarett. I still say this year he's basically redshirted, if not, he's making serious progress, but I think he will be incactive early unless we have injuries. He's NOT going on the practice squad, Parcells would scoop him up in a New York Minute.

[Rock Chalk]

Alec, he said top backup not the starter, so your boy Tatum is safe i dont know why your acting like that. Ive always maintained that there was no way anyone, MA or MoC included was going to beat Tatum out for the job this year. But Mo will get a good bit of short yardage and red zone work.
:sigh:
I'm pretty positive MoC will be the top back up by end of the season.
Try Week 3 or so. He is starting to kick ass just as we knew he would.
Since I have DBFreak on ignore for some reason, I quoted directly from what you quoted him as saying.

It didnt look like he said top "backup", looked to me like he said top "back" and if any of you think MoC is going to be top "back" in our system by the end of the year much less week 3, you really need to re-evaluate your own evaluation skills.

edit: OK, I see the "up" part now.

My bad.