for the CU Alumni:

[bronco militia]

QB Van Pelt takes step up with Broncos

Colorado football fans had better hurry up and decide.

The way Bradlee Van Pelt is moving up the quarterback charts, CU Buffaloes boosters will be confronted with the ultimate dilemma: Does the love of the NFL home team Broncos supersede the collegiate dislike for the Colorado State Rams?

Only the gradual rise of the swashbuckling Van Pelt can elicit such a mental and emotional conundrum. In what may be the most surprising depth-chart shake-up in the early days of Broncos training camp, Van Pelt took all the snaps with the second-team offensive unit Tuesday......

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_2908970

:poke: ;D :charge: :charge:

[Old Dude]

I'm a CU alum and I wish BVP nothing but the best. He's a Bronco now, and that's all that matters.

[broncoholic]

Just cracks me up how the Post just looooooves CU and craps on CSU any chance they get.
How come this article wasn't written with the "Hometownboy does good" slant?!?
Damn sure would have if BVP went to CU!


BTW I went to CSU....Can ya tell

[bronco militia]

Just cracks me up how the Post just looooooves CU and craps on CSU any chance they get.
How come this article wasn't written with the "Hometownboy does good" slant?!?
Damn sure would have if BVP went to CU!


BTW I went to CSU....Can ya tell

lol.....now you sound like a bitter CU fan.

Go Air Force, Go Rams, then Go CU... Nyah!

[scorpio]

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Nov-20-Thu-2003/photos/sports.jpg

[Nuggets4]

I'm a CU fan. I pull for CSU every game except one. I hope Van Pelt fails.

Call me what you want.

[bronco militia]

I'm a CU fan. I pull for CSU every game except one. I hope Van Pelt fails.

Call me what you want.

I'm not calling you anything...just trying to ruffle some feathers around here. :~ohyah!:

[Meck77]

I'm a University of Arizona alum and watched Snake destroy my Wildcats several times. Infact when I ran into Jake last year at the Shanny show he was giving me **** about being a UofA fan.

The ASU vs UofA hatred runs deeper than CSU vs CU IMO.

Once someone dawns the Orange and Blue I can't see how you could still hate on the guy based on what college he went to.

[Meck77]

. I hope Van Pelt fails.

.

Why?

[Nuggets4]

Keep assuming it's because of the college. It's because he's a punk. It's the same reason I don't want players like Maurice Clarrett on my team. It's the same reason that I don't want Carswell back (although Carswell is a criminal, and therefore a higher level of punk than Clarett and BVP).

I remember when the team was full of high character guys. Those days are gone.

[bronco militia]

Keep assuming it's because of the college. It's because he's a punk. It's the same reason I don't want players like Maurice Clarrett on my team. It's the same reason that I don't want Carswell back (although Carswell is a criminal, and therefore a higher level of punk than Clarett and BVP).

I remember when the team was full of high character guys. Those days are gone.

I agree except the part about BVP being as big a punk as MoC... I hated the MoC pick too for the same reasons, but what did BVP do that even compares?

[Meck77]

Keep assuming it's because of the college. It's because he's a punk. It's the same reason I don't want players like Maurice Clarrett on my team. It's the same reason that I don't want Carswell back (although Carswell is a criminal, and therefore a higher level of punk than Clarett and BVP).

I remember when the team was full of high character guys. Those days are gone.


Tell you what drive on down to training camp and make your decision then. I agree. Could you elaborate on BVP being a punk?

[Tombstone RJ]

I'm a CU alum and I wish BVP nothing but the best. He's a Bronco now, and that's all that matters.

Spoken like a true gentleman and proud CU alum. I'm a CSU alum and my brother is a CU alum but we are both Broncos fans. BVP doing well is great for the Broncos and that is all that matters.

[Old Dude]

I had no problem pulling for Mike Croel or Kenny Walker or any of the other Cornhuskers who played for the Broncos, and Nebraska has always been a far bigger rival of CU than CSU has ever been.

Here's hoping that BVP has a better career than Kenny or Mike.

[Tombstone RJ]

I had no problem pulling for Mike Croel or Kenny Walker or any of the other Cornhuskers who played for the Broncos, and Nebraska has always been a far bigger rival of CU than CSU has ever been.

Here's hoping that BVP has a better career than Kenny or Mike.

Mike Croel, what a huge disappointment. I was PO'd the Broncos drafted him, mainly because he was a Fusker. But then, I started warming up to him... but he ended up sucking anyway.

Truth of the matter is that the Fuskers program, under Osborne, was just not a good program for potential NFL players. I think CU, over the years, has produced more quality NFL players than NU has (although I don't have the stats), yet NU has way more championships.

[scorpio]

Respect to all the CU peeps who can see past our rivalry and wish the guy well (although I can't think of a single CSU fan who hates the Buffs as vehemently as I've seen from some on this board).

Now, should I get the white #11 jersey or the alternate orange?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

BVP's a punk, that's why I don't like him. It doesn't matter what school he went to, and I'm not going to change my feelings simply because he's a Bronco. FTR the only other pro athletes I dislike are Clarett and Ray Ray. My feelings on Mo C aren't going to change either.

[Meck77]

BVP's a punk, .

I keep hearing this but I don't know the background on him as I didn't follow his career.

Could someone explain to me why he has this stigma? College affiliation aside.

[Play2win]

CU is the Better School.

BVP used to get on my nerves, But he's a Bronco Now. I back him 100% now. I hope he Kicks Arse, and he gets good enough to really press Plummer. We need somebody to put pressure on Plummer, so there are no more excuses...

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I keep hearing this but I don't know the background on him as I didn't follow his career.

Could someone explain to me why he has this stigma? College affiliation aside.

I have a problem with people who scream that they deserve respect for one reason or another. If you deserve respect, people will give it to you without you telling everyone why you should be given it.

My problems with BVP are:

The "spike" he had after scoring against CU in '02 when he turned around and gunned the ball at a CU defender's head after going into the endzone. Complete class by BVP.

I have a minor problem with him calling 950 from the locker room after that same game that leads to my main problem with him. People want to interview you? Fine. Don't make the effort to call a radio station to toot your own horn. Only really an issue with me because of what happened the next year. Leading up to his final CU game, he kept telling everyone how he had no respect for CU and they didn't deserve any, but then complained about how CU didn't have any respect for him or CSU (see my first comment in this post). He also made claims about CSU being good enough to go to a BCS game. Another, "fine" comment from me. However, when you lose to CU and then try to sneak onto the CSU bus without talking to the press after you called 950 last year from the locker room when you won, and all your "lack of respect" talk this year, is what puts BVP in the punk category for me. Run your mouth all you want, but if you're wrong, man up to what you said and admit you were wrong. Slinking away like a chicken-**** is complete BS. His BCS talk kind of went by the wayside too afterwards, but he never got called on that either.

I don't like the guy because he ran his mouth and then ran away when he was wrong. I'd actually respect him if he stood his ground and took his lumps afterwards.

[Old Dude]

I keep hearing this but I don't know the background on him as I didn't follow his career.

Could someone explain to me why he has this stigma? College affiliation aside.

It started when he kicked some sand in CU's face after the Rams finally managed to beat them, stating that they were the weakest 6th-ranked team he'd ever seen, or something like that. He also made some comments about bad play-calling shortly after that, when CSU got beat by some west-coast team. Lubick told him to put a lid on it, and he shut up for awhile, but the Bulletin board damage was already done.

Really, it's not that big of a deal.

[Meck77]

Thanks Herc. Like I said I rarely pay attention to CSU or CU ball. I'm still a Pac-10 fan from living in AZ for so long. Well Im not going to defend his actions as a college player but he is performing at camp so far. We'll see what happens today.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I keep hearing this but I don't know the background on him as I didn't follow his career.

Could someone explain to me why he has this stigma? College affiliation aside.

I am a CU Alum. CU folk don't like him because of Bradlee's smack talk about CU and the incident where he threw the ball down on a CU defender after scoring a touchdown.

[bronco militia]

I am a CU Alum. CU folk don't like him because of Bradlee's smack talk about CU and the incident where he threw the ball down on a CU defender after scoring a touchdown.


if that's the reason, then cry me a F'n river....

that can't be the reason he's compared to a cheating, backstabing RB, and an accused murderer? :nono:

[scorpio]

CU is the Better School.


???

Maybe if you want to get your degree in Street Performance Art or do your thesis on How to Avoid Showers for 30 Days. Or better yet: How to Smoke Dope on Your Parents Dime

[Hercules Rockefeller]

???

Maybe if you want to get your degree in Street Performance Art or do your thesis on How to Avoid Showers for 30 Days. Or better yet: How to Smoke Dope on Your Parents Dime

and if you aren't studying to be a vet, there's absolutely no reason to go to Colorado A & M.

[Play2win]

I keep hearing this but I don't know the background on him as I didn't follow his career.

Could someone explain to me why he has this stigma? College affiliation aside.
Well he was alot of talk, and when he sneaked past the press after the loss to CU...

I still had an opinion of him, and then I watched a BroncosTV clip on him. It was mostly him talking to the press. But I was very impressed at what he had to say and how he said it. He said the right things, and he said them (fairly) intelligently. He talk about studying and knowing the playbook. I like to hear that.

Anyway here's the clip. Enjoy...

BVP take 2 (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=785)

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

if that's the reason, then cry me a F'n river....

that can't be the reason he's compared to a cheating, backstabing RB, and an accused murderer? :nono:


I am not one of those that dislike Bradlee. I hope he does well and becomes a starting QB fior the Broncs. I have attended college games all over the country and seen many things worse than anything BVP did at CSU. I do think BVP has acted a little immature in the past, but I also think the CU fans have over reacted in their hatred for him.

[Play2win]

If for some reason that link doesn't work, just (on that page) click on:

June 29 -- Bradlee Van Pelt, Take Two

[bronco militia]

I am not one of those that dislike Bradlee. I hope he does well and becomes a starting QB fior the Broncs. I have attended college games all over the country and seen many things worse than anything BVP did at CSU. I do think BVP has acted a little immature in the past, but I also think the CU fans have over reacted in their hatred for him.

i'm not accusing you....I just can't believe it. But it sounds like this is why CU alumn hate the guy so much.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

i'm not accusing you....I just can't believe it. But it sounds like this is why CU alumn hate the guy so much.

It is pretty silly really. I guess they have not been exposed to real rivalries like OSU/UM, Alabama/Auburn, Florida/Georgia. Az/ASU, etc

[Crushaholic]

If that's all that people can pin on BVP, then there's nothing to worry about. I understand rivalries can stigmatize a player, but there doesn't seem to be any off-field problems with the guy. That's all that matters, in my mind. Anything that happens on the field will be handled by Shanahan and company.

[Old Dude]

A lot of it is just recent hype.

CU leads the series something like 56-18-2. For awhile, it was so lop-sided that CU refused to even play the Rams.

Since they finally started playing each other again, CSU has more or less held its own.

I'm sure that some of BVP's comments in college were spurred on by the fact that many locals considered CSU to be a second or third class football program, and the Rams got sick of hearing about it. Hence the sand-kicking.

And, BTW, the local media loved it, because it made for great ratings.

So far as I can recall, there have been no off-field incidents with BVP at all. He hasn't raped co-eds, beat up kids for their lunch money, or driven around drunk.

Just a cheap shot and some ill-advised remarks in the context of a heated rivalry.

I can think of many players with much more serious issues coming out of college.

[Play2win]

???

Maybe if you want to get your degree in Street Performance Art or do your thesis on How to Avoid Showers for 30 Days. Or better yet: How to Smoke Dope on Your Parents Dime


I didn't Know CSU has ever won a NOBEL prize...

CU Has. Does Thomas Cech ring any bells?!?

Their Physics Department has been top of the line for Decades...

[Old Dude]

Back to BVP, for a moment. There was an interesting article on him in the RMN.

http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/broncos/article/0,1299,DRMN_17_3974083,00.html

"[BVP] made some plays that there's no way he could have made last year or most of the guys we've ever had would make," McPherson said.

One of the selling points in giving Van Pelt more of an opportunity stems from his style. Van Pelt's ability to run and move the pocket closely resembles Plummer's physical attributes and wouldn't require as much of a tweaking of game plans should the starter go down. Kanell is a more stationary, pocked-oriented quarterback.

(emphasis added) I think this is a big factor. When you spend the whole off season gearing up for a mobile rolling attack - including all the things that play a part in that - - blocking schemes, routes, the kinds of running plays that work best - - it just kills you when you have to dump it all because you've suddenly got a wooden indian at QB.

As for off-field issues, it sounds like BVP has matured somewhat:

...perhaps his biggest gains have come in maturity.

As Van Pelt admitted, when he first joined the Broncos, he had little understanding of what being a pro player entailed. He related a story from his first minicamp, when he figured he could take it easy and get by.

"I came in here, I couldn't hand off the right way. I couldn't read a coverage. I didn't know a snap count. And there were a lot of other things," he said.

Including off-the-field issues.

"I thought the transition was going to be easy and I'd naturally grow from being a college quarterback into the NFL, and I couldn't do it," Van Pelt said. "And my lifestyle was really keeping me back."

Van Pelt and some friends lived in a downtown Denver loft, prime territory to find LoDo nightlife, and close enough to make runs to Fort Collins to visit friends and go to old haunts.

Yet the commute to the Dove Valley complex was hairy, especially when he finally began to learn getting to work an hour early, not 10 minutes, was the expectation if he was to reach his potential.

"I enjoyed going out at night," Van Pelt said. "And I did get caught up for a little while in being a kid who was an in-state guy, who now had a little more cash in his back pocket, was downtown and was like, 'Whoa.' I knew what to do with myself but I almost couldn't control it. I was out having a good time."

Early last season, the coaches began strongly suggesting to Van Pelt that he move closer to team headquarters. McPherson gave Van Pelt a schedule and told him to stick with it. And, with structure, they began seeing gains in his professionalism.

"It told Bradlee this is what you're doing, at what time, every day of the week, every week," McPherson said. "And he got into the rhythm of it and it worked out pretty well. I'm not saying the schedule prompted the turnaround, but I think it told him that, 'Hey, these guys are serious about me being a part of this football team,' and he took it real serious.

"He's a real good kid. He was just a little immature for a while there and by midway through the season, you really felt he was starting to come around."

Van Pelt bounced around at myriad positions on the scout team last season and, he said, began to gain respect as a teammate. It wasn't until this spring's minicamp that perception began to swing in his direction from his peers as a potential quarterback. He's a popular choice among some Broncos.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

"As Van Pelt admitted, when he first joined the Broncos, he had little understanding of what being a pro player entailed. He related a story from his first minicamp, when he figured he could take it easy and get by."

This should not have come as any surprise to him after following his father around for 20 years.

[Old Dude]

"As Van Pelt admitted, when he first joined the Broncos, he had little understanding of what being a pro player entailed. He related a story from his first minicamp, when he figured he could take it easy and get by."

This should not have come as any surprise to him after following his father around for 20 years.

True, but then consider how much Kellen Winslow Jr. learned from his dad...

I can see it now:

Okay, son, the first thing you wanna do is hold out. For megabucks. Make 'em bleed green.

Then, when you show up, make sure you let the vererans know they're all a bunch of losers - - else the team wouldn't have had a chance to draft so high. This will insure that you make lots of friends.

Then, if I were you, I'd go out there in a preaseason game and get publicly knocked on my ass by a 3rd or 4th round pick.

If all this works out, you'll be able to get injured in the first week or two and go on IR all year.

Make sure you show up on time for all your rehab work.

Then, go out and buy yourself a crotch rocket and head to the nearest parking lot ...

[Saulbadguy]

Why should CU even care about CSU? They aren't in the Big XII. They aren't in a major conference. CSU=ankle biters