5-Team Blockbuster Trade Completed

[RhymesayersDU]

Heat's Jones, Celtics' Walker included in proposed five-team deal

MIAMI -- In the largest trade in NBA history, Antoine Walker was dealt from Boston to Miami on Tuesday night in a transaction involving five teams and 13 players.

The Heat also acquired point guard Jason Williams and small forward James Posey from Memphis, while the Grizzlies received guard Eddie Jones from the Heat. The New Orleans Hornets and Utah Jazz were also involved in the deal.

The trade was larger than a 12-player, four-team deal in 2000 involving Patrick Ewing that had been the biggest in league history.

Miami also received Andre Emmett from Memphis and the draft rights to Roberto Duenas of Spain from the Hornets; Utah received Greg Ostertag from Memphis; Boston picked up Curtis Borchardt from Utah and a package -- Qyntel Woods, the draft rights to Spanish center Albert Miralles, two second-round draft picks and cash -- from Miami; New Orleans acquired Rasual Butler from Miami and Kirk Snyder from Utah; and the Grizzlies received guard Raul Lopez from the Jazz.

Hours after signing Shaquille O'Neal to a five-year deal, the Heat added three significant pieces to a roster that nearly reached the NBA Finals last season.

"We traded a lot, but we got back three quality players," said Heat president Pat Riley. "Antoine Walker is one of the very best multi-faceted, versatile players in this game. ... He is able to handle the ball, pass it, make plays, shoot 3's and rebound the ball. There isn't anyone in this league better at doing that."

Walker, a three-time All-Star, figures to become the starting small forward and would be backed up by Posey, one of the league's better defenders.

Walker signed a six-year deal worth nearly $53 million with Boston as part of the deal's preliminary framework, and agent Mark Bartelstein said he appreciated the Celtics' willingness to help out their longtime forward.

"Antoine is thrilled," Bartelstein said. "This was a grueling process trying to put a sign-and-trade together. This took a lot of time and work and energy from a lot of people."

Williams would take over as Miami's starting point guard if Damon Jones leaves as a free agent.

Eddie Jones exits Miami after five years with the Heat.

"I spoke to him and he's appreciative of the five great years he's had in Miami," agent Leon Rose said. "He's proud that he's helped build something, although it's unfortunate that he won't be able to see it to fruition. But he wishes the organization nothing but the best."

Riley wished the three players leaving Miami well, especially Eddie Jones, whom he called "the consummate professional through thick and thin."

[RhymesayersDU]

"I know he had fun and he was a major part of this," Riley said. "But in order to get something good back, you have to give up something good going out. I wish him nothing but the best."

Memphis acquired Borchardt earlier Tuesday in a deal in which Sacramento got Bonzi Wells from the Grizzlies in exchange for guard Bobby Jackson and Ostertag.

The Hornets did not give up any players under contract in the megatrade, which was approved by league officials late Tuesday night.

"Our cap flexibility is what allowed us to get these two players as part of this deal," Hornets general manager Allan Bristow said. "We were able to acquire two young, quality players while only giving up the rights to a player who has never appeared in a Hornets uniform."

Walker, who averaged 19.1 points and nine rebounds last season for Atlanta and Boston, will be a welcome addition to the Heat, said forward Udonis Haslem -- who formally signed his $30.7 million, five-year deal Tuesday.

"We're two different players and we can bring two different things to the table," Haslem said, a few hours before the trade got done. "If we put that together, we should have a pretty good tandem."

Miami reached Game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals this past season -- even though O'Neal and Dwyane Wade were both hurt at the time. And not only was Jones a starter on that team, he was the Heat's best perimeter defender -- a role that Heat president Pat Riley and coach Stan Van Gundy have long valued.

Eddie Jones, a career 16.4-point-per-game scorer, averaged 12.7 in the regular season and 13.7 in the playoffs as Miami's third option.

"Eddie Jones is an All-Star caliber player who has had a terrific NBA career. He is a great 3-point shooter who will make an immediate impact on our offense, while also serving as a solid defender in the backcourt. We look forward to Eddie finishing his NBA career in Memphis," Grizzlies president Jerry West said.

Williams averaged 10.1 points and 5.6 assists for the Grizzlies last season. Riley likened his playmaking ability to Steve Nash and Jason Kidd.

"He is a very athletic, quick, explosive scorer and has great experience," Riley said. "One of the reasons why we are making the trade is that we haven't had anyone here like that since Tim Hardaway left."

Posey was limited to 50 games this past season because of injuries, and only 18 starts. He averaged 8.1 points and 4.4 rebounds.

The trade capped a flurry of activity by the Heat -- who moved quickly once the league's moratorium on player signings expired Tuesday at noon EDT.

O'Neal was signed to a $100 million contract; the move was expected, although the contract was considerably smaller than what O'Neal figured to command.

Haslem said the team has full confidence in whatever personnel choices Riley and general manager Randy Pfund make.

"Since I've been here, they've made great decisions," Haslem said. "And I'm sure they'll make the right decision here."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nba&id=2122944

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[RhymesayersDU]

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[RhymesayersDU]

And I'm not?

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[RhymesayersDU]

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So you see the interest this thread generates here, right.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Look at all the sports! SPORTS!

[RhymesayersDU]

So you see the interest this thread generates here, right.
The NBA'ers aren't on, but they'll read/respond/appreciate soon enough.

[Connecticut Bronco Fan]

I know what team I am going to be in NBA Live 2006 ... =)

[RhymesayersDU]

I know what team I am going to be in NBA Live 2006 ... =)
Yeah no ****, the Heat are stacked.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Shaq will get to choke 'Toine with one hand and White Chocolate with the other. Those two guys are handfulls. I dont see Walker 'playing alongside' Shaq at all. After watching him try to glorify Walker 'me ball' in Dallas in the midst of the future MVP, 3rd place MVP, All-Star Finley (much better player than 'Toine IMO), all-star Jamison, Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels, I really dont see him tuning down his ill-advised three point shooting or his layup missing or his whine spouting in Miami.

The attention is on him (really Shaq, but that doesnt change anything in his mind) so I would expect a boat-load of showboating.

Ugh. Another year of Antoine Walker. I thought that he slipped into oblivion when Dallas traded his sorry behind.

[RhymesayersDU]

I think, if there is one person Antoine will lay down for, it's Shaq. He's just imposing like that. I dunno, he's just dominant. And I'm really not big on Jason Williams, he has more turnovers than Jake Plummer for Christ's sake...

But Posey is a real strong role player. He'll help them, I think. Antoine was solid alongside Pierce in Boston, so assuming he puts his ego in check, he'll help them too.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Shaq will get to choke 'Toine with one hand and White Chocolate with the other. Those two guys are handfulls. I dont see Walker 'playing alongside' Shaq at all...Ugh. Another year of Antoine Walker. I thought that he slipped into oblivion when Dallas traded his sorry behind.
HAAA!! HAAA! I agree completely. If Shaq thought playing with Koby was frustrating, wait till he gets a load of Walker's act. This guy is the biggest ball hog idiot in the NBA...and he gets run out of every town he shows up in inside a year or two.
Walker signed a six-year deal worth nearly $53 million with Boston as part of the deal's preliminary framework, and agent Mark Bartelstein said he appreciated the Celtics' willingness to help out their longtime forward..."Antoine is thrilled," Bartelstein said.
Yea...I bet he is. $9 mill a year for his game? No thanks.

[ClevelandBronco2]

Finally at response #17 someone actually cares.

NBA is second rate basketball.

Response #20 doesn't care either.

Next time you post something about a five-team blockbuster trade, at least mention that you're talking about the NBA, not the NFL or the NHL.

I promise I won't open it and piss on your league.

[epicSocialism4tw]

HAAA!! HAAA! I agree completely. If Shaq thought playing with Koby was frustrating, wait till he gets a load of Walker's act. This guy is the biggest ball hog idiot in the NBA...and he gets run out of every town he shows up in inside a year or two.

Yea...I bet he is. $9 mill a year for his game? No thanks.


6 years at 9 million? Hah! Someone got used up in that deal and it wasnt Boston! Miami can hang it up. I can tell you right now that if Walker has to see his minutes reduced at all, he will throw a wrench into that machine.

Dirk got onto him several times about being a locker room cancer in Dallas. Jamison was nice enough to give Walker the lion's share of minutes around Dirk, but Walker still stole shots from Dirk, Nash, and Finley and hoisted up terrible shots. He was brought in to pass the ball, but when he got it at the arc, he would hoist up a three from near halfcourt with no one under the rim to get offensive boards.

Walker is a ruse. He is a useless player. The Heat took a step back when they picked him up. (6 Years!!!! 9 MILLION!!!!!)

[RhymesayersDU]

Finally at response #17 someone actually cares.

NBA is second rate basketball.

Response #20 doesn't care either.

Next time you post something about a five-team blockbuster trade, at least mention that you're talking about the NBA, not the NFL or the NHL.

I promise I won't open it and piss on your league.
rofl!

NHL fan trying to knock another league?

Do you guys even play games?

[RhymesayersDU]

6 years at 9 million? Hah! Someone got used up in that deal and it wasnt Boston! Miami can hang it up. I can tell you right now that if Walker has to see his minutes reduced at all, he will throw a wrench into that machine.

Dirk got onto him several times about being a locker room cancer in Dallas. Jamison was nice enough to give Walker the lion's share of minutes around Dirk, but Walker still stole shots from Dirk, Nash, and Finley and hoisted up terrible shots. He was brought in to pass the ball, but when he got it at the arc, he would hoist up a three from near halfcourt with no one under the rim to get offensive boards.

Walker is a ruse. He is a useless player. The Heat took a step back when they picked him up. (6 Years!!!! 9 MILLION!!!!!)
I don't know. I'll totally agree Walker is the anti team player, but I think that Shaq and DWade being legitimate superstars and the foundation of that team could keep him in check.

This is one of those moves like we see the Broncos make... if it works out, they'll be gold... if it doesn't, another dissapointing year.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I don't know. I'll totally agree Walker is the anti team player, but I think that Shaq and DWade being legitimate superstars and the foundation of that team could keep him in check.

This is one of those moves like we see the Broncos make... if it works out, they'll be gold... if it doesn't, another dissapointing year.

They didnt need Walker to be Gold, they needed Wade and Shaq and some other dudes to fill some space. They have essentially pulled a "Dallas" and remade their team with a bunch of pieces that look appealing at first glance, but dont really seem to fit when you really look at it.

Wade handles the ball. Shaq plays back-to-the-rim. Where does Walker play? At the three-point line waving his hand and whining about the other guys not getting him shots.

Are Nash and Dirk not legit 'superstars'? They were both 1st team NBA players. One won the MVP over Shaq and the other came in immediately behind Shaq in the tally. That Dallas team was rediculously talented. Jamison, Howard, and Daniels couldnt even get consistent playing time.

Walker has proved that he is consistent. Consistently selfish and disappointing. Good luck Shaq. At least we can hear some good quotes of yours about playing with this dude.

[footstepsfrom#27]

All you need to know about AntWHINE Walker is that Don Nelson, a guy who never met a shooter he didn't like...thought he was to big a ball hog to play in defenseless Dallas. Nuff said. The Heat gave up a good #3 option in Eddie Jones and a nice perimeter defender to take a guy who thinks he should be the only option and can't spell defense. Bad move Reily.

[RhymesayersDU]

I think Dirk is totally a legit superstar, I love his game... I always thought Nash was great, but IMO, he wasn't really a superstar until this season with Phoenix... And that's not a knock on his game when he was with Dallas, either... He was always a baller, but from a credibility standpoint, if you will, I don't know, it didn't seem like he was a real star. I guess, my point is, there are some guys you just respect, and some guys you don't. I'm not saying that Nash doesn't deserve the respect, because again, he's always been a baller... but he just didn't seem like he was on that level of stardom at the time.

And I'd disagree that the Dallas teams were rediculously talented... IMO they were the Kansas City Chiefs of basketball. They'll score a million points on you without blinking, but they'd let you score a million too. They were good no doubt, but they had their shortcomings, mainly on the defensive side of the floor.

I don't know, I think he's a legitimate 3rd option on the floor, and again, I think Flash and the Big Diesel can keep him in check. He should open things up for them. Personally I'd be more concerned with White Chocolate stealing reporter's pens and giving the ball away than Walker's attitude... But Walker does have the history, you are definately correct about that.

[RhymesayersDU]

footsteps does have a point, Eddie Jones was a damn good player and great defender... I guess we'll see, either they ride this new team to the title, or it blows up in their face.

[footstepsfrom#27]

He should open things up for them.
It seems to me Shaq and Wade open things up for themselves without any help. If I was looking for somebody to help them, it wouldn't be this dude.

[RhymesayersDU]

It seems to me Shaq and Wade open things up for themselves without any help. If I was looking for somebody to help them, it wouldn't be this dude.
I dunno about that. I thought in the playoffs, besides the two being hurt, there were issues with Detroit clamping down on DWade and Shaq and forcing anybody else to beat them, and nobody else could.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I dunno about that. I thought in the playoffs, besides the two being hurt, there were issues with Detroit clamping down on DWade and Shaq and forcing anybody else to beat them, and nobody else could.
As you said, both were hurt. But forget that for a moment; if I was making a list of guys who might help open things up for Shaq and DW...this clown is the first guy I'd cross off the list. :flush:

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Miami picks up one kid who thinks he's Pete Maravich and a power forward who thinks he's Dell Curry. You figure Snaq's latest contract extension should be complete soon, so he'll go about gaining back that 100 pounds he lost.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I think that this is a huge mistake by Miami. People look at it on the surface and say that they got Walker and Williams for very little. The only player that they got who can really help them is Posey.

Walker will not open the floor up. His offensive play is a joke and he refuses to pass. Why not just let him spot up from near half-court and launch his 33% accurate threes?

The worst part about this deal is that Miami gave Walker the 6 year 53 million dollar deal. That is just plain awful. You can say that Finleys deal is bad, but that one is horrible. I cant believe that they got snookered into that.

[Nuggets4]

Miami is a great team if everything falls together perfectly.

I don't see that happening.

[labronx]

2nd time Shaq gets Eddie traded. sick. Thanks God I already ate breakfast.

[RhymesayersDU]

Miami is a great team if everything falls together perfectly.

I don't see that happening.
Jason Williams and Antoine Walker are the Cleveland D-Line of the NBA.

Although I really like Posey.

[Nuggets4]

Wait a minute.....how the hell did Ostertag end up in Utah? Sacramento wasn't involved in the deal......

Was he traded and did I forget it?

[RhymesayersDU]

Wait a minute.....how the hell did Ostertag end up in Utah? Sacramento wasn't involved in the deal......

Was he traded and did I forget it?
That's actually a good question.

Nontheless, maybe Karl Malone can come out of retirement and tell him how out of shape he is.

[Nuggets4]

Odds are, if he is a King, Scaramento won't say anything. Right now, their GM is sitting around going, "I'm not sure what the hell just happened, but thank you guys!"

[epicSocialism4tw]

Jason Williams and Antoine Walker are the Cleveland D-Line of the NBA.

Although I really like Posey.

I dont think that that is a good comparison. They are more like Freddie Mitchell. Tons of flash, no results. Walker's rebound stats are padded in every game by standing in front of the basket and missing layup after layup only to get his own boards. 1 time out of 3, he never ends up making the bucket. The guy is a scam.

[Nuggets4]

Just found it. Bonzi Wells to Sacramento for Ostertag and Bobby Jackson. I remember a three team deal with Utah being involved in that, but there were a lot of hang-ups. I guess we found out what the hang-ups were.

[RhymesayersDU]

I dont think that that is a good comparison. They are more like Freddie Mitchell. Tons of flash, no results. Walker's rebound stats are padded in every game by standing in front of the basket and missing layup after layup only to get his own boards. 1 time out of 3, he never ends up making the bucket. The guy is a scam.
I just think they're underachievers who have shown flashes, and if they work out for the Heat, it's going to equal a title... and if it doesn't work out, well, it's somebody's ass getting fired.

[Nuggets4]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2123211

Gotta agree with Stein on this one. Posey is a great pick-up for them. I think 'Toine could do it. J-Will however will fail miserably. That said, I'm really looking forward to the first time he tries to go behind the back to Shaq, chucks it 3 rows deep, and Shaq then beats the living hell out of him.

[RhymesayersDU]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2123211

Gotta agree with Stein on this one. Posey is a great pick-up for them. I think 'Toine could do it. J-Will however will fail miserably. That said, I'm really looking forward to the first time he tries to go behind the back to Shaq, chucks it 3 rows deep, and Shaq then beats the living hell out of him.
Yeah, Posey is the best thing they got. I'm really weary of J-Will, and I wish he'd stay on the Grizzlies so we could guarantee beating them 4 times again.. Toine, he's the X Factor, almost the Rasheed Wallace if you will. If he keeps it all in check, they could do big things..

[epicSocialism4tw]

I just think they're underachievers who have shown flashes, and if they work out for the Heat, it's going to equal a title... and if it doesn't work out, well, it's somebody's ass getting fired.

I dont know about Williams, but I do know about Walker. That guy is a horrible teammate. I watched him play every game of the '04 season. He has some skills, but his basketball brain never developed. He is not a championship player. You'll have to take my word on this one. Walker will be the thing that prevents that team from taking the next step. He thinks too much of himself to do what he needs to do to win. He'll say all of the right things to the media, and will get those fans thinking that he is there for the betterment of the team, and then will subject them to his terrible selfish play until they dont want to see him in a uniform. Walker is fools gold.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Yeah, Posey is the best thing they got. I'm really weary of J-Will, and I wish he'd stay on the Grizzlies so we could guarantee beating them 4 times again.. Toine, he's the X Factor, almost the Rasheed Wallace if you will. If he keeps it all in check, they could do big things..


Walker aint no Rasheed Wallace. Wallace was always crazy in public, but has a good post game and can play serious D. Walker is a poor three point shooting PF who jacks 'em up and takes other ill-advised shots. Walker isnt half of the player Wallace is.

[RhymesayersDU]

Walker aint no Rasheed Wallace. Wallace was always crazy in public, but has a good post game and can play serious D. Walker is a poor three point shooting PF who jacks 'em up and takes other ill-advised shots. Walker isnt half of the player Wallace is.
I didn't mean to compare the two players... I'm just saying, they took a risk on Sheed in Detroit to put them over the hump in Detroit... and they're doing the same in Miami.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I didn't mean to compare the two players... I'm just saying, they took a risk on Sheed in Detroit to put them over the hump in Detroit... and they're doing the same in Miami.

Sheed was a known commodity with value. Walker is a curse.

[2KBack]

Healthy shaq, an ever improving phenomenon in Dwayne "Flash" Wade, and consistant 3-ball shooter. That can make an offense right there. I've always liked "White Chocolate" Jason Williams, he was rotting out in Memphis, plus having shaq inside is worth like 4-5 estra assists pergame by itself. I Think the Heat and put themselves in great position, they had a damn good team last year, and I personally think this makes it better.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I dont know about Williams, but I do know about Walker. That guy is a horrible teammate. I watched him play every game of the '04 season. He has some skills, but his basketball brain never developed. He is not a championship player. You'll have to take my word on this one.
Listen to Lama on this one. He and I both got to see this mess close up all year. Walker is the snotty little playground brat who owns the only ball and whines that he's going home if you don't let him take the shots. He was run out of Dallas because Don Nelson, who never met a shooter he didn't love, finally did. He'll take the heat down a notch just by virtue of the principle of subtraction by addition...Reily will rue the day he decided to give this numbskull a ridiculous $9 mill a year. Welcome to salary cap hell. :crazy:

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Geez I guess you are right R...... someone besides you and nugget actually care about NBA basketball. The last time I was passionate about BB Doug Moe was the coach in Denver save a short time when MJ was unbelievable.

[GonzoLays]

Actually all you guys are way off on both Antoine Walker and Jason Williams.

For those of you who say Jason Williams is a turnover machine, he led the league in assist to turnovers a year ago.

For those of you who say Antoine Walker is three point chucking ball hog -- which he was at ONE POINT of his career because his coach Jim O'brien PREACHED that style of ball -- so when your coach tells you to shoot threes out the kazoo, that is what you do.

When Twan was traded back to the Celtic's this year he perfectly fit the third wheel option in Boston behind Ricky Davis and Paul Pierce. He averaged 16 points 8 rebounds and 3 assists in 33 minutes a game while shooting a respectable 44 percent from the field and only shooting 2-3 three pointers a game (same as Rasheed). The team actually won 11 straight games in a row after the trade. The guy can play, period. He just has a quirky game, that is it.

I see Twan having no problem fitting in with the Heat. He is a stage in his career where he is no longer playing for a contract or trying to make an All-Star team. I could easily see him changing for the benefit of the team. He did it in Boston when he was there last year, and I see no reason why Shaq can't make him fit in with the team they have now.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I see Twan having no problem fitting in with the Heat. He is a stage in his career where he is no longer playing for a contract or trying to make an All-Star team. I could easily see him changing for the benefit of the team. He did it in Boston when he was there last year, and I see no reason why Shaq can't make him fit in with the team they have now.
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[epicSocialism4tw]

Actually all you guys are way off on both Antoine Walker and Jason Williams.

For those of you who say Jason Williams is a turnover machine, he led the league in assist to turnovers a year ago.

For those of you who say Antoine Walker is three point chucking ball hog -- which he was at ONE POINT of his career because his coach Jim O'brien PREACHED that style of ball -- so when your coach tells you to shoot threes out the kazoo, that is what you do.

When Twan was traded back to the Celtic's this year he perfectly fit the third wheel option in Boston behind Ricky Davis and Paul Pierce. He averaged 16 points 8 rebounds and 3 assists in 33 minutes a game while shooting a respectable 44 percent from the field and only shooting 2-3 three pointers a game (same as Rasheed). The team actually won 11 straight games in a row after the trade. The guy can play, period. He just has a quirky game, that is it.

I see Twan having no problem fitting in with the Heat. He is a stage in his career where he is no longer playing for a contract or trying to make an All-Star team. I could easily see him changing for the benefit of the team. He did it in Boston when he was there last year, and I see no reason why Shaq can't make him fit in with the team they have now.

Yeah...Walker made Boston into the powerhouse that it was last season. :hitself:

Boston was terrible. Walker is a selfish player and he always will be. The Heat just got worse with this trade.

Not only did they get worse, but they gave Walker a 6 year 9 million dollar deal!

[maven]

Great trade for the Heat! Posey will bring defense off the bench. Jwill will be fine. All he has to do is feed shaq & pass it to wade, and hit the 3 ball every now & then. Damon Jones was terrible on defense & could not penetrate to break down the defense. 'toine will be set up to rain 3's all day. Double shaq, 'toine will atleast be open to hit the 3. Haslem starts at power forward. Does all the dirty work. 'toine will get a chance to play sf in miami. Eddie Jones is on the decline. He's not a great on the ball defender anymore. He would disappear for a stretch of games and many times had a problem stepping up to pick up the scoring slack. He's been declining slowly every year. He's getting up there in age(he'll be 34 years old in oct). I can't believe a team was stupid enough to trade for him.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Great trade for the Heat! Posey will bring defense off the bench. Jwill will be fine. All he has to do is feed shaq & pass it to wade, and hit the 3 ball every now & then. Damon Jones was terrible on defense & could not penetrate to break down the defense. 'toine will be set up to rain 3's all day. Double shaq, 'toine will atleast be open to hit the 3. Haslem starts at power forward. Does all the dirty work. 'toine will get a chance to play sf in miami. Eddie Jones is on the decline. He's not a great on the ball defender anymore. He would disappear for a stretch of games and many times had a problem stepping up to pick up the scoring slack. He's been declining slowly every year. He's getting up there in age(he'll be 34 years old in oct). I can't believe a team was stupid enough to trade for him.


Prepare to be disappointed.

[maven]

Prepare to be disappointed.

:unamused:

Definately not. EJ & rasual didn't bring anything to the table. Woods didn't even play. I can't believe somebody finally traded for EJ. He's been on the block for years. Like I said, EJ's skills are diminishing rapidly.

[epicSocialism4tw]

:unamused:

Definately not. EJ & rasual didn't bring anything to the table. Woods didn't even play. I can't believe somebody finally traded for EJ. He's been on the block for years. Like I said, EJ's skills are diminishing rapidly.


Jones doesnt matter. Its the addition of Walker and Williams that does. Subtraction by addition, if you will.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Walker for free is a rip off.

[maven]

Jones doesnt matter. Its the addition of Walker and Williams that does. Subtraction by addition, if you will.

I can understand your dislike for 'toine, but he will replace EJ at the SF position which is an upgrade. I think Jwill will be a nice fit. Like I said, posey is a good role player. I like Simien backing up Haslem. I'm surprised the traded didn't involve Dwright. Great job Pat for not giving him up! :thumbsup: Give Dwright a couple of years & he's going to be a baller.

And the Heat still have their 5 million trade exception.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

With this many players changing hands, the Rockies had to give someone away in there someplace.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I can understand your dislike for 'toine, but he will replace EJ at the SF position which is an upgrade.
I'd play with 4 before I let "twoine" see the floor.

[RhymesayersDU]

When Twan was traded back to the Celtic's this year he perfectly fit the third wheel option in Boston behind Ricky Davis and Paul Pierce. He averaged 16 points 8 rebounds and 3 assists in 33 minutes a game while shooting a respectable 44 percent from the field and only shooting 2-3 three pointers a game (same as Rasheed). The team actually won 11 straight games in a row after the trade. The guy can play, period. He just has a quirky game, that is it.

This is what I'm saying! He was in Atlanta this past year, and let's face it, anybody would be pissed off playing there. But when he got sent back to Boston mid-season, he played a great second/third fiddle to Pierce and to Davis.

This may put the Heat over the hump, and in fact, with no Larry Brown in Detroit, I think the Pistons are going to slip anyways. Although I'm down on Jwill still.

I get Dallas fans being bitter towards him, just like Nugget fan is bitter towards, well, many players. But this may pay off for the Heat.

[Nuggets4]

Rumor has it the Heat are now looking at Nick the Prick.

They're then going to petition the NBA to play with 4 basketballs at the same time.

[RhymesayersDU]

Rumor has it the Heat are now looking at Nick the Prick.

They're then going to petition the NBA to play with 4 basketballs at the same time.
He was just released by the Blazers today.

Trading for a questionable character is one thing, but taking a questionable character who was released from the Jailblazers, well that is something entirely different.

[Nuggets4]

Not when it comes to Nick the Prick.

Slap was right. I wish I would have listened to him.

[RhymesayersDU]

I know. I'm saying, even I wouldn't touch him.

[Nuggets4]

Gotcha. I misread what you wrote. I thought you were saying he was worth the chance.

BTW, did you hear about the fight that broke out in Blazers camp yesterday?

[RhymesayersDU]

Gotcha. I misread what you wrote. I thought you were saying he was worth the chance.

BTW, did you hear about the fight that broke out in Blazers camp yesterday?
No, I'm saying, if even the Jailblazers discarded him, his career has gotta be about done.

And no, but I'm not surprised. Who was it, what happened, etc?

[Nuggets4]

I took out the first part and last part of the story because it deals with Juan Dixon.


http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/john_canzano/index.ssf?/base/sports/1123063495114990.xml&coll=7

The Blazers already have competition in the front court, apparently.

If you had walked into the practice facility July 22, you would have witnessed one of the Blazers' centers cursing and running around like a madman, swinging a 6-foot wooden pole at another center, and you would have said, "Same old Blazers."

But you'd have been wrong.

Centers Ha Seung Jin and Nedzad Sinanovic have been locked in a gym together since mid-June, competing. Ha, under contract for two more years, came back from his offseason visit to South Korea out of shape, then was hampered by tendinitis in his knee, and to compound matters, he's been getting schooled by the 7-foot-4 Sinanovic, a 22-year old rookie from Bosnia.

The two have been tussling and tangling on the court. There has been ribbing and verbal exchanges. And as the players usually do at the end of a workout, that particular Friday the two were shooting free throws together in silence.

Peaceful enough.

That is, until Sinanovic made his final free throw, then retrieved the basketball and held it. Ha walked over and snatched it back. Then, Sinanovic said something under his breath and two men -- 7-4 and 7-3 -- ended up on the ground in a pile of wildly swinging elbows and fists.

The fight was broken up by Blazers staffers, and insiders said Ha, who got punched, was left shouting, "I'll sue! I'll sue!"

The two were escorted to different areas of the practice facility, and normally the story would end here. Except Ha's neutral corner was the team weight room. And so he picked up one of those wooden poles that players use to stretch and went after Sinanovic, who blocked one swing with his forearm but took another in the ribs before someone ripped the pole (think: closet dowel) from Ha's hands and threw it across the courts.

Now, violence isn't funny. And Ha is lucky he didn't injure Sinanovic with that pole. But this doesn't feel as sinister as some of the old Blazers antics. And you'll know this because your friends are going to giggle and shake their heads when you tell them about it.

This isn't the same as Zach Randolph cold-cocking Ruben Patterson two seasons ago, breaking his eye socket, then being chased around the facility, and later having to spend the night, in hiding, at Dale Davis' house because Randolph feared for his life.

The Ha-Sinanovic bout was about good competition, and frustration, and boiling points. And Nash said the players were fine with each other and even hanging out 24 hours after one was trying to shish kebob the other.

Ha's agent, John Kim, said the Blazers haven't contacted him about the incident, so he figured it was "nothing that serious." And Nash declined to comment directly on the brawl, because you're "damned if you do, damned if you don't," but anyone who has played a heated game of pickup basketball or competed against someone for a promotion knows how rapidly things can escalate.

It doesn't make what happened right. It just makes it understandable.

[RhymesayersDU]

rofl @ a South Korean and a Euro getting into it.

I'd love to see a video of the 2 7-footers getting into it.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Its not just Mavs fans that are 'bitter' towards him...the guy is a stiff on the floor. I guess that you guys havent seen the man play. Oh well, you'll see soon enough.