Bill Williamson on Z560 this AM

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Not a real long interview, hit on a couple of positions

RBs
Denver wants to give Bell the starting position
Dayne's looked the best so far, this is the system he played in in college
MA has always done well when given a chance

WR
Jim Armstrong: Doesn't think this group is in the Top 16 in the League
BW: Not great, but not bad. Rod is still serviceable. Lelie probably won't ever catch 100 balls, but will give you 60-70 and 10 TDs. Watts has to stop dropping the ball (Shanahan said pretty much the same thing on 950 this morning), and Rice will probably catch 30 or so this season.

BW also said he thinks the Skins will stink and Denver will look WR with that Top 10 pick (someone hasn't even done cursory draft research yet).

DL
Brown-Warren-Myers-Pryce will be the starters.
Luther and Ray Lee won't make the team unless they have great camps.
Palepoi has to earn a roster spot.
In the end, Denver will have a good line this year.

[ludo21]

Same ol' stuff, but good to hear that he aint down on the DL. Because the DL really does look solid going into camp.

[bpc]

I really like Ron Dayne and I think he could do some great things in Denver. I would root for him more but I have a $300 bet that says Tatum Bell beats Julius Jones in rushing yards this year. Dayne would greatly hinder that if he comes in and dominates and he very well could. I think he is destined to do well in this offense.

[ND Bronco Fan]

As everyone else has already said but..........I am excited to see Dayne flourish and provide help in the red zone.......smack his big ass up into the goal line pounding in for TD's.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

If Z560 streams online, Shanahan will be on at 625 tomorrow morning.

[16-JakE-16]

All the reports have said Watts is catching everything that comes his way.

[ND Bronco Fan]

If Z560 streams online, Shanahan will be on at 625 tomorrow morning.


Wish they did stream online, but I can not find it on their website.

[NaptownChief]

"DL
Brown-Warren-Myers-Pryce will be the starters."


I've been told countless times by the know it all folks on this board that the Brownco's weren't being counted on as starters...Just one starter and the rest just adding depth. So who doesn't know what they are talking about, this writer or the board know it alls?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

"DL
Brown-Warren-Myers-Pryce will be the starters."


I've been told countless times by the know it all folks on this board that the Brownco's weren't being counted on as starters...Just one starter and the rest just adding depth. So who doesn't know what they are talking about, this writer or the board know it alls?

You obviously haven't been paying attention. When each was brought in, none (except maybe Brown) was penciled in as a starter if healthy. Myers and Warren have both beaten out last year's starters to this point. But then again for you Chef fans, beating out last year's starters probably means there's been a downgrade on the line.

[ND Bronco Fan]

"DL
Brown-Warren-Myers-Pryce will be the starters."


I've been told countless times by the know it all folks on this board that the Brownco's weren't being counted on as starters...Just one starter and the rest just adding depth. So who doesn't know what they are talking about, this writer or the board know it alls?

The people on this board are speculating, the same as Burger Bill.....until training camp is over and the depth charts are assigned no one knows for sure who the starters will be.......thank you for making me type this out and wasting 20 seconds of my life Mr. Obvious.

[Broncoman13]

They aren't being counted on and them being starters are two different scenarios. You have to realize that we didn't have these guys last year and despite a lot of injuries we still had a top 5 (yardage) defense. If these guys turn out to be better than our injury replacements from last year then that only helps our chances of returning to a top 5 defense. If they can generate a pass rush that will help us where it really counts defensively in terms of turnovers and pts per game allowed.

Were they expected to start... maybe. Would it have been the end of the world if they busted?... nope, not when you consider all of these guys combined are making less than what Reggie Heyward signed to in Jax.

[NaptownChief]

You obviously haven't been paying attention. When each was brought in, none (except maybe Brown) was penciled in as a starter if healthy. Myers and Warren have both beaten out last year's starters to this point.


It still doesn't change the fact that most on this board tried to spin the negative press of bringing in the whole Brown D Line that sucked in Cleveland by saying it isn't like we are bringing these guys to be starters just to add depth. Well looks like your D Line sucked so bad they are being brought in to be starters.

[bendog]

Who said Big Ass wasn't going to start? He always was going to be handed a job. Most of us will be surprised if CB plays in more than 8 games. The key will be whether Ebanezor and Pryce are OK. And, imo, Myers so far is the surprise. I thought he'd be a rotation gut with Fairlyawful being "the starter" next to Big Ass.

But, the reason denver's dline wore down was injuries to Ray Lee, TP, and Luther. It's the truth that these guys were brought in for "depth."

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Well looks like your D Line sucked so bad they are being brought in to be starters.

and it was still a Top 5 defense with a line that almost everyone here said sucked. All the morons in the press who said these were bad moves didn't know how truly bad Denver's line was in the first place. You can't really have any downgrades from Denver's DL last year.

[bendog]

and it was still a Top 5 defense with a line that almost everyone here said sucked. All the morons in the press who said these were bad moves didn't know how truly bad Denver's line was in the first place. You can't really have any downgrades from Denver's DL last year.
Bottom line was that the personnel decisions made last July didn't take into account the new Pussified Payaton Passing Penalties, and when TP went down, along with Luther's yearly trip to the injured list, den didn't have enough talent to mount pass rush.

So, this year they're going cheap at one corner and one safety, and renting the brownies.

[Mediator12]

It still doesn't change the fact that most on this board tried to spin the negative press of bringing in the whole Brown D Line that sucked in Cleveland by saying it isn't like we are bringing these guys to be starters just to add depth. Well looks like your D Line sucked so bad they are being brought in to be starters.

Brought in to provide depth and Beating out last years incumbents are NOT mutually exclusive statements. Are you saying that Bell, Surtain and Knight have not beaten out the incumbents from last Year? Because that is the crux of your argument. Come on Nap, it is not time to go crazyhorse on us ;D

[Mediator12]

Plus, I am still a little shocked that National NFL reporters have zero clue on how the game is played today. The Browns were 5th against the pass last year, but the only stat they think is relevent is that they were horrible versus the run??? I mean in one statement they downplay how good the pass defense was because Peyton destroyed a 5th CB UDFA rookie in his crib in the playoffs and in the next breath criticize getting guys who are good at Pass rush???

Denver needed pass rush not Run stuffers in the scheme that LC plays and they had very few effective guys at penetrating at the POA. So they get guys who fit that scheme and now they are producing in practice.

Who the F cares why they were brought in??? I only care that they do there Jobs better than the trash that played last year!

[Tredici]

I still don't know why anybody makes a big deal out of who will be considered a starter on a position designed for heavy rotation. They are all going to be certain down specialists. Some assigned to first down duty.

Big deal.

[bendog]

I still don't know why anybody makes a big deal out of who will be considered a starter on a position designed for heavy rotation. They are all going to be certain down specialists. Some assigned to first down duty.

Big deal.
I think it's because the chef fans haven't seen a rotation schme ... they're lucky to have 4 nfl level defensive linemen.

[Taco John]

"DL
Brown-Warren-Myers-Pryce will be the starters."


I've been told countless times by the know it all folks on this board that the Brownco's weren't being counted on as starters...Just one starter and the rest just adding depth. So who doesn't know what they are talking about, this writer or the board know it alls?


*yawn*

Who cares which DL gets the "starter" label. Of course the new guys are going to get the "starter" label. We just brought them in. How ridiculous would it be to give the media a bunch of fodder by not listing them as starters?

It doesn't matter whether they are "starters" or not because of our line rotation. They might as well all be starters, because there is going to be plenty of playing time to go around.

You used to actually deliver some pretty intelligent takes. What happened?

[SpringStein]

BW also said he thinks the Skins will stink and Denver will look WR with that Top 10 pick (someone hasn't even done cursory draft research yet).

At this point there is not a WR sniffing the top 10. Whereas there are outstanding LT's and DE's that will be in the top 10.

[NaptownChief]

*yawn*

Who cares which DL gets the "starter" label. Of course the new guys are going to get the "starter" label. We just brought them in. How ridiculous would it be to give the media a bunch of fodder by not listing them as starters?

It doesn't matter whether they are "starters" or not because of our line rotation. They might as well all be starters, because there is going to be plenty of playing time to go around.

You used to actually deliver some pretty intelligent takes. What happened?


Just pointing out facts. Every time someone made a negative comment about all the Brownco's acquisitions there were a handful of people saying that is ridiculous to knock because they are just back ups. I don't care if you guys are trotting out Bozo the Clown to start, just pointing out that most of you were wrong with your line of reasoning in defense of the Brown acquisitions.


I do agree pointing out most of you being wrong is a bit of a "Yawner" cause it is so frequent.

[Kaylore]

Not a real long interview, hit on a couple of positions RBs
Denver wants to give Bell the starting position
Dayne's looked the best so far, this is the system he played in in college
MA has always done well when given a chance
This sounds like he made it up. Dayne isn't even third string right now.


DL
Brown-Warren-Myers-Pryce will be the starters.
Luther and Ray Lee won't make the team unless they have great camps.
Palepoi has to earn a roster spot.
In the end, Denver will have a good line this year.
He gets this right, at least. I haven't even seen Luther or Palepoi out there too much. It's hard proving yourself when they won't play you.

[watermock]

It still doesn't change the fact that most on this board tried to spin the negative press of bringing in the whole Brown D Line that sucked in Cleveland by saying it isn't like we are bringing these guys to be starters just to add depth. Well looks like your D Line sucked so bad they are being brought in to be starters.

Look you dimwit, the Denver Defense ranked in the top 5. What did the Kansas City defense rank? This isn't desperation, it's enhancement. So far, C. Brown hasn't had a setback. Myers seems to have impressed, and Eke still is kinda healing and being left out of full contact. Warren isn't being asked to do anything but plug the middle. Add in our former starters, and we will have a very very deep rotation.

Let me explain something to you. We brought in the #1 overall pick, #3 overall pick, #20 overall pick and a decent DT for virtually nothing. Are you deaf dumb and blind?

There are no guarantees. None got a 10 million dollar signing bonus. In fact, all came in for about the same price as keeping Hayward.

[bpc]

*yawn*

Who cares which DL gets the "starter" label. Of course the new guys are going to get the "starter" label. We just brought them in. How ridiculous would it be to give the media a bunch of fodder by not listing them as starters?

It doesn't matter whether they are "starters" or not because of our line rotation. They might as well all be starters, because there is going to be plenty of playing time to go around.

You used to actually deliver some pretty intelligent takes. What happened?

our line could be full of pluggers and we would still have a top 5 run defense next year. I have no doubt that we will be. The rotation is really going to factor in on rush downs, which we have been horrible at over the last few years in terms of consistancy.

I really feel excited for Coyer. He can treat our rotation on the DL like a hockey unit, mixing and matching players to work favorably matchups and their strengths against certain units. I really feel like we have a lot of flexability this year.

[NaptownChief]

What did the Kansas City defense rank?



I'm struggling to find the relevance of this in regards to the topic of discussion. Did you fall off the tractor and smack your head this morning?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I think it's because the chef fans haven't seen a rotation schme ... they're lucky to have 4 nfl level defensive linemen.

Bob will tell you that Lard A33 Savaii and Jelly are all time greats.

[broncosteven]

It still doesn't change the fact that most on this board tried to spin the negative press of bringing in the whole Brown D Line that sucked in Cleveland by saying it isn't like we are bringing these guys to be starters just to add depth. Well looks like your D Line sucked so bad they are being brought in to be starters.


Ya it could be worse we could have brought the KFC line in! They can't stop the run nor pressure the QB.

With the D-line rotation we have everyone stays fresh. Why are there so many KFC losers on this board doesn't KFC have their own site where they can talk about the Great Sammy Parker & Sammy Knight?

[Tredici]

So which is it Nappy? MOST on this board or a HANDFUL on this board?

And it shouldn't be that hard. Go find all these backup material posts. Sounds like there are so many it shouldn't be too hard for you to find 100's of them.

[jonny1]

Just pointing out facts. Every time someone made a negative comment about all the Brownco's acquisitions there were a handful of people saying that is ridiculous to knock because they are just back ups. I don't care if you guys are trotting out Bozo the Clown to start, just pointing out that most of you were wrong with your line of reasoning in defense of the Brown acquisitions.

The point you are missing is that what everyone on here was saying was that no one was COUNTING on the Browncos being the starters. Denver lost one member of it's top 5 defensive line from last year and brought in 4 (now 5) guys, 2 of which were highly touted coming out of college. The best case scenerio was Warren and Brown playing up to their potential and making what was a good defense better. If they didn't, then there would be an upgrade in depth.

It's called trying to improve, which is something that Carl finally seems to have gotten through his thick skull . . .

And we tried to get Bozo, but the Chefs had already signed him.

[bendog]

I'm struggling to find the relevance of this in regards to the topic of discussion. Did you fall off the tractor and smack your head this morning?
tractor?

And please pull up those posts.

[NaptownChief]

Ya it could be worse we could have brought the KFC line in! They can't stop the run nor pressure the QB.

With the D-line rotation we have everyone stays fresh. Why are there so many KFC losers on this board doesn't KFC have their own site where they can talk about the Great Sammy Parker & Sammy Knight?


They do have but it gets enough traffic to be picked up by blocking software. Fortunately there are low rent boards like this one I can still access at work and get my football fix. It kind of like bringing in the whole Brown defensive line, it isn't very good but desperate measures for desperate times.

[broncosteven]

Bob will tell you that Lard A33 Savaii and Jelly are all time greats.


Where is Boob? Did his daddy take away his cable modem?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Where is Boob? Did his daddy take away his cable modem?

I think he is working on becoming a "Freddie Fish" expert these days.

[watermock]

I'm struggling to find the relevance of this in regards to the topic of discussion. Did you fall off the tractor and smack your head this morning?

The "relevance" is that Denver had a good defense and Kansas City was horrible. I don't have to "fall off the tractor" to say it. In fact, most of the operation is hired out. Your such a dumbass. I allready explained I mainly deal with the Banks.

Now for the next assertion, OIC, this is a topic about Burger Bill. Wow, that is an open door isn't it?

"Fortunately there are low rent boards like this one I can still access at work and get my football fix."

Look you scum, that's fine, you asked for it, when the moderators get around to it, you might get your wish.

Why don't you get to work. Better yet, give me your company name so we can make sure your not slacking on an internet board when your supposed to be working you piece of crap.

[NaptownChief]

The thing that bugs me about the criticism about us our picking up of the Browns D-Lineman, is that people act like these 4 guys are going to be our 4 starters. We're really only looking four 2 "starters" in these four guys, to join Ellis and Pryce. The other 2 lineman are guys for quality depth. (Which is crucial on the DL) Warren may not have played up to his high pick potential but he hasn't played poorly and Brown has been hampered by injuries. I'm not saying these guys aren't without risk but we only gave up a 4th round pick for Warren, which is squat for a solid DT starter and we got Brown for a reasonable salary. Ekuban and Myers will provide us with quality depth, which we got for a surplus RB...




Here is one of the more recent ones I recall but similar comments have been tossed around several times since you guys decided to become the Browncos

[Tredici]

Here is one of the more recent ones I recall but similar comments have been tossed around several times since you guys decided to become the Browncos

Good job. A guy with less than 150 posts and even he says they are looking for 2 out of 4 to be starters. Doesn't even say they will all be backups.

Try a little harder, please.

[NaptownChief]

The "relevance" is that Denver had a good defense and Kansas City was horrible. I don't have to "fall off the tractor" to say it. In fact, most of the operation is hired out. Your such a dumbass. I allready explained I mainly deal with the Banks.

Now for the next assertion, OIC, this is a topic about Burger Bill. Wow, that is an open door isn't it?

"Fortunately there are low rent boards like this one I can still access at work and get my football fix."

Look you scum, that's fine, you asked for it, when the moderators get around to it, you might get your wish.

Why don't you get to work. Better yet, give me your company name so we can make sure your not slacking on an internet board when your supposed to be working you piece of crap.


If your emotional instability is coupled with cramps you might grab you a bottle of Midol.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

This sounds like he made it up. Dayne isn't even third string right now.


Ok, and Legwold pretty much just said the same thing on Irv and Joe not 10 minutes ago. So both of the beat writers have now made that claim.

[elsid13]

"DL
Brown-Warren-Myers-Pryce will be the starters."


I've been told countless times by the know it all folks on this board that the Brownco's weren't being counted on as starters...Just one starter and the rest just adding depth. So who doesn't know what they are talking about, this writer or the board know it alls?

So someone must of the towed the breakdown camero you were working, because you evidently have to much time on your hand to came up with stupid post. I hope that former Browns come in a start, because that mean that their healthy and motivated something that wasn’t happening in Cleveland. All the guys have talent, evident by 1st round selection and flashes they shown in the league. IF they weren’t producing then Shanahan would keep them on the team. He shown in the past that either produce or pack your bags and get the hell out of town. He not one to give second chance to non-performer (can anyone say Lawrence Phillps)

[chrisp]

Here is one of the more recent ones I recall but similar comments have been tossed around several times since you guys decided to become the Browncos

Gosh - we brought in four low-priced free-agents and they've turned out to be better than expected - gee what a nightmare :kiddingme

There's scraping the barrel and then there's REALLY scraping the barrel. So some people had low expectations of what these guys would do - so what? I really, really fail to see what the point is here. Let me break it down for you nice and simple: if we start saying that so-and-so is the next Reggie White and he doesn't even make the roster then you can laugh and ridicule. if however, we say guys aren't expected to do much and they end up being the starters (beating out last year's starters) then that's generally considered a GOOD thing...... at least ON EARTH it is....geez :bs:

[Florida_Bronco]

They do have but it gets enough traffic to be picked up by blocking software. Fortunately there are low rent boards like this one I can still access at work and get my football fix. It kind of like bringing in the whole Brown defensive line, it isn't very good but desperate measures for desperate times.

Why don't you just take yourself someone else.

There are many rival posters here that at least have respect for this "low rent board" we have here. If it was up to me, you'd be gone for that comment.

You need to remember that there are people here who put alot of time and work into this site, and being the co-founder of a car club and it's website, I know how the people who do this feel about these sites. I, for one, appreciate the great site and work Taco John and the others have put into this site and will not tolerate you saying things like that about it.

Kinda follows that saying "Judge me all you want, just keep the verdict to yourself." Same holds true for this website, in my opinion.

[DBroncos4life]

Why don't you just take yourself someone else.

There are many rival posters here that at least have respect for this "low rent board" we have here. If it was up to me, you'd be gone for that comment.

You need to remember that there are people here who put alot of time and work into this site, and being the co-founder of a car club and it's website, I know how the people who do this feel about these sites. I, for one, appreciate the great site and work Taco John and the others have put into this site and will not tolerate you saying things like that about it.

Kinda follows that saying "Judge me all you want, just keep the verdict to yourself." Same holds true for this website, in my opinion.


I agree. I've seen the planet and well its not anywhere near as nice as this place. I'm a member there as well, though I never post there and I wouldn't ever diss the founders of that board ON that board if I ever did post. I don't know how much time he spends on this board for sure but for someone that spends as much time on here as he does to have such a low opinion about it should think about posting somewhere else.

[wabbit]

"DL
Brown-Warren-Myers-Pryce will be the starters."


I've been told countless times by the know it all folks on this board that the Brownco's weren't being counted on as starters...Just one starter and the rest just adding depth. So who doesn't know what they are talking about, this writer or the board know it alls?

'Starters' doesn't mean 4 downs & work 'em till they drop...or get hurt as is the case in KC...in Denver 'starters' play between 2 & three downs...depending on the situation & down.

It's called 'rotation'...might e-mail Gunther on that

[Mr. Trout]

It still doesn't change the fact that most on this board tried to spin the negative press of bringing in the whole Brown D Line that sucked in Cleveland by saying it isn't like we are bringing these guys to be starters just to add depth. Well looks like your D Line sucked so bad they are being brought in to be starters.


Regardless the Squaw D-line still sucks ass and always will.

[-Slap-]

Regardless the Squaw D-line still sucks ass and always will.
At least we rescued Keith Traylor and Neil Smith and got them a couple Super Bowl Rings.

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[NaptownChief]

There are many rival posters here that at least have respect for this "low rent board" we have here. If it was up to me, you'd be gone for that comment.




Taco does a fine job with the board. It's a low rent board cause it is littered with brain dead Donkey fans. No different than a nice piece of land. It could be a great piece of land with a wonderful view but if you start parking trailers all over it you quickly turn it into a low rent neighborhood. Same difference. You Donkey fans should be familiar with destroying property value with you homes on wheels.

That being said I might recommend you thin skinned folks wake up. Do you not get the fact that I am a Chiefs fan and you are rival fans? Duh...You guys insult me and I insult you. That is how it works. We take shots at mothers, brothers, lifestyles, teams, coaches, front offices etc.etc...and even bb's. But I enjoy when many of you whine like this cause it lets me know I am doing the better job.

[Taco John]

Your mom is a mother of a Chiefs fan.

[NaptownChief]

Your mom is a mother of a Chiefs fan.


and she does social work for Donkey fans...

[Florida_Bronco]

That being said I might recommend you thin skinned folks wake up. Do you not get the fact that I am a Chiefs fan and you are rival fans? Duh...You guys insult me and I insult you. That is how it works. We take shots at mothers, brothers, lifestyles, teams, coaches, front offices etc.etc...and even bb's. But I enjoy when many of you whine like this cause it lets me know I am doing the better job.

I don't care what reasoning or justification you use, that sure seemed like a shot at this site to me (and I'm sure many others) and I don't appreciate that at all. I don't have a problem at all with us trading the insults (which is usually in good fun, hell my dad and brother are Chief fans!). Either way, at least you know how I feel about it and I'll just leave it at that.

You wanna talk about whining and doing the better job of trading insults....have you missed THIS THREAD (http://66.49.247.155/BB/showthread.php?t=28000&page=39&pp=25) here? 39 pages and counting that now mainly consists of you guys whining about us slamming you :charge: