Freddie Mitchell may need arthroscopic surgery... and other Chiefs preseason woes.

[Taco John]

Chiefs | Mitchell Injures Knee, may need Scope
Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:30:24 -0700

KCChiefs.com reports Kansas City Chiefs head coach Dick Vermeil said WR Freddie Mitchell (knee) hurt his knee at practice Saturday, July 30. He may need arthroscopic surgery. Right now Mitchell is conferring with the team doctor.

[Taco John]

Chiefs | Bell Misses Afternoon Practice
Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:41:42 -0700

Rick Dean, of the Capital-Journal, reports Kansas City Chiefs LB Kendrell Bell missed Saturday afternoon practice, July 30, with back spasms.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Just read the new SI. Named Freddy as the worst receiver in the league over the middle.

[Taco John]

Two "key" free agents already having trouble... I guess Bell's back completely "locked up," (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=120518)...

"Linebacker Kendrell Bell was out of practice today because his back had froze up between practices. Over the day, his back had stiffen. He was loosened up in the training room, and when he got off the table, it locked again. He was also having spasms in his back. Coach Dick Vermeil couldn't say if he is expected to practice tomorrow."


Though today's report:

Chiefs | Bell Improving
Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:30:43 -0700

KCChiefs.com reports Kansas City Chiefs head coach Dick Vermeil said LB Kendrell Bell (back) is improving. He's been troubled by back spasms.

[SoCalBronco]

And Will Shields is having back problems as well. Has to get an MRI.

[Rock Chalk]

Great job Carl!

Ha!

[Taco John]

Chiefs | Shields Will not Practice Saturday
Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:30:01 -0700

KCChiefs.com reports Kansas City Chiefs OG Will Shields (back) will not take part in either practice Saturday, July 30. He's going to have another exam done on his sore back.

[Taco John]

And if that wasn't enough, Trent Green is having back troubles too...

Chiefs | Green gets Some Rest
Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:51:34 -0700

Rick Dean, of the Capital-Journal, reports Kansas City Chiefs QB Trent Green (back) was pulled early from morning practice after experiencing some back pain, but he took a full turn in the afternoon session Saturday, July 30.

[Cody]

It's not supposed to be serious. DV said Fredex is leaving tomorrow for KC then he'll be back by Wednesday. As far as the time table, DV said one to three weeks, but he's not for sure. What was most interesting was that he said it wouldn't hurt his chances of making the team.

[Taco John]

Not that I'm wishing injury on anyone...

But if Shields or Roaf go down, Trent Green becomes a joke and returns to his natural self... He had 17 INTs WITH a healthy line last year.

And as far as Kendrell Bell goes, he couldn't pass a physical with the Giants... He seems to be an injury waiting to happen...

[crazyhorse]

Not that I'm wishing injury on anyone...

But if Shields or Roaf go down, Trent Green becomes a joke and returns to his natural self... He had 17 INTs WITH a healthy line last year.

And as far as Kendrell Bell goes, he couldn't pass a physical with the Giants...

That should have ended with an, Amen.

[Taco John]

It's not supposed to be serious. DV said Fredex is leaving tomorrow for KC then he'll be back by Wednesday. As far as the time table, DV said one to three weeks, but he's not for sure. What was most interesting was that he said it wouldn't hurt his chances of making the team.



You guys have Eddie Kennison as your #1 WR. I have a good chance of making the team given that fact...

[Tyrant]

I just want to thank my hamstrings for being so good...

Oh wait...

[Taco John]

That should have ended with an, Amen.



Heard that joke before... Apparently Eye Patch thinks he originated it...

[gunns]

Not that I'm wishing injury on anyone...

But if Shields or Roaf go down, Trent Green becomes a joke and returns to his natural self... He had 17 INTs WITH a healthy line last year.

And as far as Kendrell Bell goes, he couldn't pass a physical with the Giants... He seems to be an injury waiting to happen...

And he had 32 sacks.

[crazyhorse]

Heard that joke before... Apparently Eye Patch thinks he originated it...

My guess would be that you hear it often...very often. Where ever it originated, it applies here.

Carry on though. Someone will take the bait.

[Atlas]

Not that I'm wishing injury on anyone...

...

I wish injury on all the chef players. Actually I used to wish that their plane would crash but then I learned that if a NFL plane goes down the League would cancel the season. That would suck.

[Hulamau]

I wont celebrate any injuries of opponents... dont want to bachakatadi our guys.

If we can stay reasonably heatlhy this year, we win the division and maybe the whole enchilada.

[Cody]

Not that I'm wishing injury on anyone...

But if Shields or Roaf go down, Trent Green becomes a joke and returns to his natural self... He had 17 INTs WITH a healthy line last year.

And as far as Kendrell Bell goes, he couldn't pass a physical with the Giants... He seems to be an injury waiting to happen...

I think we can make up for Shields with Welbourne, but if Roaf goes down, that's not good. If both go down...I don't even want to think about it.

[Cody]

You guys have Eddie Kennison as your #1 WR. I have a good chance of making the team given that fact...

LOL, that is true.

It boggles my mind how we put up so many points with crap at WR.

[Taco John]

My guess would be that you hear it often...very often. Where ever it originated, it applies here.

Carry on though. Someone will take the bait.



Bait? ???

[TheReverend]

This is the funniest thread ever. Thats what happens when your team is either 30+ or extremely injury prone.

[Taco John]

LOL, that is true.

It boggles my mind how we put up so many points with crap at WR.


Indeed... The new passing rules help when Kennison isn't dropping the ball... But past that, the bottom line is that Trent Green is given all the time in the world to throw, and teams *have* to respect your running game.

[Cody]

A lot of people on the planet are already whining about the injuries, but I'm not concerned. It's early. If this were the week of the first game against the Jets and we had all these things happening, then I'd be concerned. But at the sametime, injuries are apart of the game, and if you can't play the game with your injuries, then you should be cut. It depends on the seriousness of the injury, but most of these things are little and it's early so the coaches don't want to push anything.

Also, Dick has really been taking it easy on the vets (Priest, Trent, etc), the ones that are focal to the offense because he realizes the age and the long ride the regular season, and possible postseason, is. He's actually never done this, though, but he feels the vets are ready to go and shouldn't be pushed as hard. We need them starting in September, not in these preseason games.

[SNR_Chief]

Meh. We didn't seem to have a problem becoming the #1 offense last year without FredEx, I don't see why we would this year.

Seriously though, he's been looking good in camp. This is terrible for him if this lasts into the regular season.

[elsid13]

I just waiting for one of the Chef fans to say Bell isn't important, and they can survive his back problems. The are the kind of problems that occur when you dealing with a older team.

[Cody]

I just waiting for one of the Chef fans to say Bell isn't important, and they can survive his back problems. The are the kind of problems that occur when you dealing with a older team.

Bell was fine today, he practiced and had no setbacks.

[ZachKC]

Just read the new SI. Named Freddy as the worst receiver in the league over the middle.
But I thought nobody from SI knew anything about football.

THE MEDIA HATES THE BRONCOS! HARDY HAR HAR!

[Kaylore]

Meh. We didn't seem to have a problem becoming the #1 offense last year without FredEx, I don't see why we would this year.

Seriously though, he's been looking good in camp. This is terrible for him if this lasts into the regular season.
Sometimes you can bounce back pretty quick and he's young. Shields is another story, though.

[Taco John]

Chiefs guard Will Shields nursing a back problem

DOUG TUCKER

Associated Press


RIVER FALLS, Wis. - Will Shields missed another day of practice with back trouble Saturday, and Kansas City Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil acknowledged he's concerned about his 10-time Pro Bowl guard.

Shields, a 13-year veteran, waffled during the offseason about whether to retire or play one more year. He said in an interview on Thursday that his hesitation "was more physical than anything else."

Vermeil said Saturday that Shields would see another doctor for what amounts to a third opinion on his ongoing back problem.

Asked if he was worried that Shields might not play at all this year, Vermeil said, "I think you always have to have a little concerned."

He said it is not a disc problem that bothers the 6-foot-3, 320-pounder.

"Will has always had a little back problem," Vermeil said. "He's got a little arthritis at the very bottom of his back and it pinches a nerve, and all of a sudden it grabs him."

Vermeil said doctors believe the problem can be resolved "with patience and proper exercise, what they call back stabilization exercises."

"A veteran like Will Shields, we would only be working him one a day anyway," Vermeil said. "I think there was a period of time when Will was not sure what he wanted to do in terms of coming back, so that influenced his offseason preparation as well.

"I think he's always been much further along in his preparation to play the league opener than he is right now."

Shields has indicated this will be his final year. Losing him would be a severe blow to what has been one of the NFL's most stellar lines. After being taken in the third round out of Nebraska in 1993, he immediately established himself as one of the finest guards in the league. His string of 10 straight Pro Bowl selections is the longest current streak in the NFL.

He did not take part in most offseason workouts, while he tried to make up his mind about playing another season.

"It was a difficult offseason," he said Thursday.

Shields has played in 192 regular-season games and is just 12 more to pass kicker Jan Stenerud for second place on the Chiefs' all-time service list.



http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/12265366.htm

[REB]

Freddie Mitchell= Humongous(sp?) BUST! Big mouth with no hands or guts.


REB

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!!

[Atlas]

That's just bad news for Shields. Those back injuries are horrible and they never go away. 13 years in the league he should just retire. WHy play one more year?

[SoCalBronco]

But I thought nobody from SI knew anything about football.

THE MEDIA HATES THE BRONCOS! HARDY HAR HAR!

Thats ESPN, Zach. CNNSI is okay except for Limp Penis (Dr. Z).

[RhymesayersDU]

But I thought nobody from SI knew anything about football.

THE MEDIA HATES THE BRONCOS! HARDY HAR HAR!
Haven't you heard, the media knows nothing unless it's something you can use against -insert whatever team you hate here-. Then they're 100% accurate and right on.

[Daddy T]

Plummer is still the Donkey QB. We'll be fine.

[Taco John]

That's just bad news for Shields. Those back injuries are horrible and they never go away. 13 years in the league he should just retire. WHy play one more year?



I suspect that if the Chiefs have a bad preseason, he'll retire. He's sticking around in hopes that this is the year to win a Superbowl. If he loses hope in that, he may pack it in...

[Rausch]

And Will Shields is having back problems as well. Has to get an MRI.

I can understand hating on a guy like Fredex. He's a d!ck. I don't blame you.

But wanting a guy like Shields to go down would be like wanting TD or Atwater for the Donks to go down. Or Bo Jackson or Tim Brown for the Raiders.

Some players just have a level of class I'd always respect, no matter who they play for.

He's a class act.

If for no other reason I hope it's not serious because of his life after football...

[SoCalBronco]

I can understand hating on a guy like Fredex. He's a d!ck. I don't blame you.

But wanting a guy like Shields to go down would be like wanting TD or Atwater for the Donks to go down. Or Bo Jackson or Tim Brown for the Raiders.

Some players just have a level of class I'd always respect, no matter who they play for.

He's a class act.

If for no other reason I hope it's not serious because of his life after football...

Where did I say i was hoping for him to get hurt, Rausch? I was simply passin along info that he too was hurting. Outside of maybe Will Allen and Jake Grove, I do not take pleasure in seeing other team's players get hurt, even if they are on teams I hate.

[Rausch]

Where did I say i was hoping for him to get hurt, Rausch? I was simply passin along info that he too was hurting.

Where did I accuse you of it?

I'm just pointing out that he'd be a loss to the whole league...

[bpc]

I have so much respect for Will Shields. Its tough to see a true warrior out there really logging the pain miles for one more chance... and one of the most physical positions no less.

I don't like the sound of this at all for the chiefs... just like I didn't like hearing about the pain with Trevor Pryce last year. Anytime you mention back pain and football... that is not a good sign. Especially with arthritis and nerves being pinched.

If KC loses Shields... that would be a huge blow to undoubtably the best line in the league for the last five years.

[Atlas]

I have so much respect for Will Shields. Its tough to see a true warrior out there really logging the pain miles for one more chance... and one of the most physical positions no less.

I don't like the sound of this at all for the chiefs... just like I didn't like hearing about the pain with Trevor Pryce last year. Anytime you mention back pain and football... that is not a good sign. Especially with arthritis and nerves being pinched.

If KC loses Shields... that would be a huge blow to undoubtably the best line in the league for the last five years.

His life will is going to be filled with pain. I guess playing one more year probably won't matter.... but it could. I always think of Schlereth. I bet his day to day life is just hell.

Former Bronco's 'Real Sports' spot lands him agent, broadcast gigs

05/13/2001
By Liz Mullen

Greg Friedlander, an agent with RLR Associates, was at home watching an episode of HBO's "Real Sports" earlier year when a segment caught his interest.

It was about Denver Broncos offensive lineman Mark Schlereth and all the injuries he suffered during his 12 year career in the NFL--injuries that required 29 surgeries including 20 on his knees.

But what Friedlander really noticed was that Schlereth was interested in a broadcasting career and that he came across naturally on camera. "He was very articulate and very intelligent, and you could feel the emotion and empathy when he talked," Friedlander said.

The next week, Friedlander got a tape of the segment and watched it with other agents at New York-based RLR, which specializes in representing sports broadcasters.

RLR agent Maury Gostfrand called Schlereth soon after: "Maury said, 'We saw you on HBO,' " said Schlereth. "He said, 'We believe you have a lot of talent and we hear you wanted to get into broadcasting and we would like to have a shot at representing you.' "

A deal was signed afterwards. RLR as so far has Schlereth booked to do color commentary for an NFL Europe game on Fox Sports Net and has gotten him an interview with ESPN.

Friedlander said RLR agents are hopeful that Schlereth has a big future, both on television and radio. Friedlander added that Schlereth is attacking his new career with a sense of purpose that makes him the kind of the client they love to represent.

"We are not necessarily interested in looking for the biggest name-players," Friedlander said. "We are looking for people who view broadcasting as a career and are not going to rest on their laurels."

[NaptownChief]

You guys have Eddie Kennison as your #1 WR. I have a good chance of making the team given that fact...



Champ is sure hoping that we don't get any WR's better than Kennison otherwise he might get scorched for 4 TD's instead of 2.

[-Slap-]

Boggles the mind that anyone would give big money to a broken down charity case like Kendrell Bell, but desperate franchises do desperate things.

[NaptownChief]

Boggles the mind that anyone would give big money to a broken down charity case like Kendrell Bell, but desperate franchises do desperate things.



Extremely ironic considering the alleged reason why Peterson dropped the ball with Samari Rolle was due to "injury" concerns yet threw good coin at Bell. The Bell money probably should have been thrown at Hartwell but hey who am I to criticize a GM with the wild success of Carl Peterson.

[Tom A Hawk]

Not that I'm wishing injury on anyone...

But if Shields or Roaf go down, Trent Green becomes a joke and returns to his natural self... He had 17 INTs WITH a healthy line last year.

...
You are right....Green becomes Plummer :crazy:

[RukdaFaidas]

Boggles the mind that anyone would give big money to a broken down charity case like Kendrell Bell, but desperate franchises do desperate things.
IMO, Bell is going to be the biggest improvement for the Chiefs D this year. This guy possesses extreme talent and is meaner than hell. Some say he's the best LB in the league when healthy and I have no reason to believe he won't be healthy.
Plummer and crew better keep an eye on this guy or the Broncos season will be riding on Kanell's back. That's a scary thought isn't it?

[Rascal]

Vaginas being strained everywhere @ chefs training camp.

[broncosteven]

LOL, that is true.

It boggles my mind how we put up so many points with crap at WR.


You don't just have Crap at WR now you have CRAPERTON! I know SoCal likes "Craps" but I would have changed my name to "Sh*thead" if I were him.

Look for wheels to fall off this year at WR. I see lots of 3 yard buttonhooks to Knee-factor...

[broncosteven]

You are right....Green becomes Plummer :crazy:

Or worse Kerry Collins he of 21 tds & 20 ints...

[delany]

The Chiefs have dodged a lot of injury bullets in the past to Priest, TG, et al.

I can understand how their fans would not be concerned yet....but man, from the outside looking in...you gotta think that allthis...plus the EW suspension...and tough opening schedule will put them in the same hole they couldn't get out of last year.

They will be lucky to open 1-3.

[RukdaFaidas]

The Chiefs have dodged a lot of injury bullets in the past to Priest, TG, et al.

What? Tony G and Priest have been hurt the last 3 years.

[delany]

What? Tony G and Priest have been hurt the last 3 years.

Exactly...but their production has still been high.

Hence the false sense of security that some Chief fans might feel.

[redrage]

Vaginas being strained everywhere @ chefs training camp.
Interesting smack from a fan of a team that wears its pads in places other than their shoulders for training camp.

[RukdaFaidas]

Exactly...but their production has still been high.

Hence the false sense of security that some Chief fans might feel.
I don't really know what you're trying to say.
Are you saying the Chiefs are lucky that their top players have been injured, but are still putting up good numbers?
If so, I can't imagine how good they'll do if they get really lucky and they play without injuries.

[Iowanian]

Shields has had Arthritic problems in his lower back for 3 seasons, and its probably the main reason he'll retire after this season. They've reported that its not serious, and they expect him back.

Freddie Mitchell was no lock to make the team, healthy. I figure he'll miss 2-3 weeks if its just a simple scope(yes...i've had some knee work done). He's fighting with Parker, Boerigter and Horn(make fun all you want but he's solid on ST and has reliable hands)....and Crap Thorpe. He'll have to get healthy and produce in the preseason to make the team.

No one is praying harder for Bell to be out than joke PlumInt.....I can't wait for his first bootleg, with Johnson and Bell on the outside...which, I notice isn't reported here.....D Johnson is signed and will be in camp today.

I love how Donk fans keep bashing Eddie Kennison, when he put up almost as many yards and TDs as Smith, and DID put up more than Lelie....in 14 games and nursing an injury. that must not say much about Denver's WRs, if Kennison sucks so much. I suppose Green would Throw for 4000+ yards a season and lead the league in scoring offense if he had "real WRs"....oh?

I encourage some of you fools to keep calling down the Karma by cheering and wishing injuries. Personally, I want all of the donks to stay healthy all year.....so you don't have any excuses when the Chiefs Kick the Hell out of the Donks on National TV.

[bendog]

Shields has had Arthritic problems in his lower back for 3 seasons, and its probably the main reason he'll retire after this season. They've reported that its not serious, and they expect him back.

Freddie Mitchell was no lock to make the team, healthy. I figure he'll miss 2-3 weeks if its just a simple scope(yes...i've had some knee work done). He's fighting with Parker, Boerigter and Horn(make fun all you want but he's solid on ST and has reliable hands)....and Crap Thorpe. He'll have to get healthy and produce in the preseason to make the team.

No one is praying harder for Bell to be out than joke PlumInt.....I can't wait for his first bootleg, with Johnson and Bell on the outside...which, I notice isn't reported here.....D Johnson is signed and will be in camp today.

I encourage some of you fools to keep calling down the Karma by cheering and wishing injuries. Personally, I want all of the donks to stay healthy all year.....so you don't have any excuses when the Chiefs Kick the Hell out of the Donks on National TV.

dude, there's an entire thread on johnson signing, and OLB don't do contain on the WS for a rollout; that's typically the DE's job.

[Saulbadguy]

I'm not worried.

[Iowanian]

Containment, depending on the called Defense and dline stunts, is normally the job of the DE. True. Enforcing that zone(putting the bit hit) is often the responsibility of the OLB or the SS.

[Phantom]

The injuries aren't funny, but reading the PMS takes from Chief Fan is hilarious.


Another nugget from Chef training camp ......

"Blame it on the heat, as tempers were flaring this afternoon. During 11-on-11 drills, linebacker Kendrell Bell and rookie running back Samkon Gado got into each other's faces. Other teammates became to react, and a small fight broke out in the middle of the field. Linebacker Kawika Mitchell was also actively involved as the crowd stood in their seats to get a better view. The scuffle broke up quickly and practice resumed."

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=120574

Read the whole post - sounds like a 7 and 9 team.
:laugh:

[Rascal]

Interesting smack from a fan of a team that wears its pads in places other than their shoulders for training camp.

And which team has won two SB's in recent years using the same format?

[Iowanian]

Read the whole post - sounds like a 7 and 9 team.
:laugh:

how in the hell can you BEGIN to make that prediction, based off of 1 report, of 1 Training camp practice?


I guess they need to find a chief fan who'll post that the Oline looked awesome, but so did the Dline....The WRs dominated, but so did the Corners....

hrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Old Dude]

Gonzales 29
Holmes: 32
Kennison: 32
Richardson: 34
Shields: 34 (next month)
Roaf: 35

I think this season is probably the last hurrah for a lot of Chiefs.

Of the group above, I think Gonzo is the only one who's sure to return in '06.

[NaptownChief]

The injuries aren't funny, but reading the PMS takes from Chief Fan is hilarious.


Another nugget from Chef training camp ......

"Blame it on the heat, as tempers were flaring this afternoon. During 11-on-11 drills, linebacker Kendrell Bell and rookie running back Samkon Gado got into each other's faces. Other teammates became to react, and a small fight broke out in the middle of the field. Linebacker Kawika Mitchell was also actively involved as the crowd stood in their seats to get a better view. The scuffle broke up quickly and practice resumed."

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=120574

Read the whole post - sounds like a 7 and 9 team.
:laugh:


Sounds like a team with a little more fire than A.Lelie to me...I can certainly live with that.

[Phantom]

how in the hell can you BEGIN to make that prediction, based off of 1 report, of 1 Training camp practice?


:spit:

It was 'tongue-in-cheek' ... now go change your pad.

[DBroncos4life]

Sounds like a team with a little more fire than A.Lelie to me...I can certainly live with that.



Yeah your future wide outs look much better then Watts or Lelie. In fact Wilson looks to be 40 times the player Putz is as well. The fact that every starter on KC's O's is 29 is awesome. Future looks bright there :yep:

[broncosteven]

I love how Donk fans keep bashing Eddie Kennison, when he put up almost as many yards and TDs as Smith, and DID put up more than Lelie....in 14 games and nursing an injury.

I give you that Quiterson did it in 14 games but he only beat our 2nd wr by 2 total yards & 1 td not huge diff there. Rod had 1144 yards & 7 tds. I will take 2 1000 yard WR's in same year any time.

Quiterson had a Career year last year, his FIRST 1000 yard year. Don't compare him to Rod who has had 7 1000 yard years & 1 of 1600+. Let me know when Quiterson makes the probowl...Duche...he will never see SuperBowl ring unless he shakes Rod's hand...

[Iowanian]

....and Rod Smith can't carry Jerry Rice's Jock on career production...that doesn't mean he's exactly a big threat now.

Smith has been very good for the Donkeys, but he is definitely showing his age and his production has started to decline.

I'm just not hearing, without a chuckle, Donk fans busting on Kennison like he sucks, when he's outproducing your WRs. 2 additional games, with his standard production, and Kennison SMOKED both of Denver's WRs.....all while Gonzalez put up more catches than any TE has ever seen in the NFL...while needing foot surgery.

Keep knocking yourself out, hoping that the KC Offense has gotten too old. KC also has a pretty good stable of Young WRs, with ONLY Kennsion being over or near 30....2 very solid Olinemen in their 3rd year, Bober is better interior, and Welbourne would be starting on most any other NFL Team. Larry Johnson is in his 3rd year, and I'll wager that, Wilson IS better than any TE on Denver's roster. Someone had better help Alexander change his pad..the wings are sticking to his leg hair.

[DBroncos4life]

....and Rod Smith can't carry Jerry Rice's Jock on career production...that doesn't mean he's exactly a big threat now.

Smith has been very good for the Donkeys, but he is definitely showing his age and his production has started to decline.

I'm just not hearing, without a chuckle, Donk fans busting on Kennison like he sucks, when he's outproducing your WRs. 2 additional games, with his standard production, and Kennison SMOKED both of Denver's WRs.....all while Gonzalez put up more catches than any TE has ever seen in the NFL...while needing foot surgery.

Keep knocking yourself out, hoping that the KC Offense has gotten too old. KC also has a pretty good stable of Young WRs, with ONLY Kennsion being over or near 30....2 very solid Olinemen in their 3rd year, Bober is better interior, and Welbourne would be starting on most any other NFL Team. Larry Johnson is in his 3rd year, and I'll wager that, Wilson IS better than any TE on Denver's roster. Someone had better help Alexander change his pad..the wings are sticking to his leg hair.




hahahhahahhahahahahahah Wilson is NOT better then Putz. ROFL!

[DBroncos4life]

A 6'1" or 6'2" TE will never strike fear into any team. In fact we could put Gold on him and not worry about a damn thing.

[Saulbadguy]

A 6'1" or 6'2" TE will never strike fear into any team. In fact we could put Gold on him and not worry about a damn thing.
Alge Crumpler is 6'2.

[DBroncos4life]

Alge Crumpler.

I wouldn't say teams FEAR him. Also I think you should wait for Wilson to get his first career catch before saying he is better then anyone or putting him in with Crumpler.

[Saulbadguy]

I wouldn't say teams FEAR him. Also I think you should wait for Wilson to get his first career catch before saying he is better then anyone or putting him in with Crumpler.
Fair enough. No defense really "fears" any TE in the league, except perhaps Tony Gonzalez and maybe Jeremy Shockey in the near future. TG is about the only TE defenses have to "gameplan" for. Alge Crumpler is a pretty good pass catching TE, and it would be great if Kris Wilson would develop in to that type of TE, but my point was just because he is 6'2 doesn't mean he won't be a good TE.

[Mediator12]

....and Rod Smith can't carry Jerry Rice's Jock on career production...that doesn't mean he's exactly a big threat now.

Smith has been very good for the Donkeys, but he is definitely showing his age and his production has started to decline.

I'm just not hearing, without a chuckle, Donk fans busting on Kennison like he sucks, when he's outproducing your WRs. 2 additional games, with his standard production, and Kennison SMOKED both of Denver's WRs.....all while Gonzalez put up more catches than any TE has ever seen in the NFL...while needing foot surgery.

Keep knocking yourself out, hoping that the KC Offense has gotten too old. KC also has a pretty good stable of Young WRs, with ONLY Kennsion being over or near 30....2 very solid Olinemen in their 3rd year, Bober is better interior, and Welbourne would be starting on most any other NFL Team. Larry Johnson is in his 3rd year, and I'll wager that, Wilson IS better than any TE on Denver's roster. Someone had better help Alexander change his pad..the wings are sticking to his leg hair.

KC's Success on offense is from an Offensive Line that is dominant and aging. Trent had a very similar year to Plummer last year and we are screaming for him to stop making stupid Mistakes (Only three less INT's and 4 More fumbles). Your bitching about DEN WR depth when Your 1,4,5, and 6th receivers last year were TE and RB??? Wilson is good but has exactly how many catches and NFL experience? NONE!

[bpc]

The Chiefs have dodged a lot of injury bullets in the past to Priest, TG, et al.

I can understand how their fans would not be concerned yet....but man, from the outside looking in...you gotta think that allthis...plus the EW suspension...and tough opening schedule will put them in the same hole they couldn't get out of last year.

They will be lucky to open 1-3.

Just like last year, there first stretch of games is a bi!ch. I think that will be the thing that does them in again. Plus, they will be chasing us all year again after a early loss in Denver.

[DBroncos4life]

Fair enough. No defense really "fears" any TE in the league, except perhaps Tony Gonzalez and maybe Jeremy Shockey in the near future. TG is about the only TE defenses have to "gameplan" for. Alge Crumpler is a pretty good pass catching TE, and it would be great if Kris Wilson would develop in to that type of TE, but my point was just because he is 6'2 doesn't mean he won't be a good TE.



I'm sure teams fear Gates just as much as TG and Shockey. My point was TE's most of the time are a size and speed miss-match. Too tall and fast for a LB and to big for a CB to cover. Well at 6'1 250 he isn't bigger or faster then any of our LBs we have on our team. Now Putz would have size over KC's LBs because he is 6'4".

[rbackfactory80]

Shields has had Arthritic problems in his lower back for 3 seasons, and its probably the main reason he'll retire after this season. They've reported that its not serious, and they expect him back.

Freddie Mitchell was no lock to make the team, healthy. I figure he'll miss 2-3 weeks if its just a simple scope(yes...i've had some knee work done). He's fighting with Parker, Boerigter and Horn(make fun all you want but he's solid on ST and has reliable hands)....and Crap Thorpe. He'll have to get healthy and produce in the preseason to make the team.

No one is praying harder for Bell to be out than joke PlumInt.....I can't wait for his first bootleg, with Johnson and Bell on the outside...which, I notice isn't reported here.....D Johnson is signed and will be in camp today.

I love how Donk fans keep bashing Eddie Kennison, when he put up almost as many yards and TDs as Smith, and DID put up more than Lelie....in 14 games and nursing an injury. that must not say much about Denver's WRs, if Kennison sucks so much. I suppose Green would Throw for 4000+ yards a season and lead the league in scoring offense if he had "real WRs"....oh?

I encourage some of you fools to keep calling down the Karma by cheering and wishing injuries. Personally, I want all of the donks to stay healthy all year.....so you don't have any excuses when the Chiefs Kick the Hell out of the Donks on National TV.

He gets bashed because he is a dumb punk who runs his mouth.

[Tredici]

....and Rod Smith can't carry Jerry Rice's Jock on career production...that doesn't mean he's exactly a big threat now.

Smith has been very good for the Donkeys, but he is definitely showing his age and his production has started to decline.

I'm just not hearing, without a chuckle, Donk fans busting on Kennison like he sucks, when he's outproducing your WRs. 2 additional games, with his standard production, and Kennison SMOKED both of Denver's WRs.....all while Gonzalez put up more catches than any TE has ever seen in the NFL...while needing foot surgery.

Keep knocking yourself out, hoping that the KC Offense has gotten too old. KC also has a pretty good stable of Young WRs, with ONLY Kennsion being over or near 30....2 very solid Olinemen in their 3rd year, Bober is better interior, and Welbourne would be starting on most any other NFL Team. Larry Johnson is in his 3rd year, and I'll wager that, Wilson IS better than any TE on Denver's roster. Someone had better help Alexander change his pad..the wings are sticking to his leg hair.

Keep chuckling.

[bendog]

He gets bashed because he is a dumb punk who runs his mouth.
Truly pathetic, even by chef posters on this board's standards.

Though, imo, he has a pt aobut LJ, who at this point is better than Priest.

[TotallyScrewed]

Sad days for KC Fan... sad about injuries...sad smack...sad

[FADERPROOF]

Go ask around the league who they would want on their team, Rod Smith or Eddie Kennison.

I guarantee you that Rod Smith wins in a landslide.

[bendog]

Wanna bet shanny sends Rod on a fly pattern if Ambrose is on him .... just for a laugh in the filmroom on Tues.

[ZachKC]

The Chiefs have dodged a lot of injury bullets in the past to Priest, TG, et al.

I can understand how their fans would not be concerned yet....but man, from the outside looking in...you gotta think that allthis...plus the EW suspension...and tough opening schedule will put them in the same hole they couldn't get out of last year.

They will be lucky to open 1-3.
Someone explain to me how Holmes has dodged the injury bullet.

[ZachKC]

Wanna bet shanny sends Rod on a fly pattern if Ambrose is on him .... just for a laugh in the filmroom on Tues.
Wanna bet Plummer throws it right to Ambrose's numbers?

[ZachKC]

KC's Success on offense is from an Offensive Line that is dominant and aging. Trent had a very similar year to Plummer last year and we are screaming for him to stop making stupid Mistakes (Only three less INT's and 4 More fumbles). Your b****ing about DEN WR depth when Your 1,4,5, and 6th receivers last year were TE and RB??? Wilson is good but has exactly how many catches and NFL experience? NONE!
Only 2 more INTS and only 4 more fumbles...wow. You throw those out like they are not big stats...we are talking 7 turnover difference in the NFL.

You really think Chief fans are that easy on our QBs? You think there isn't that much difference between the seasons Green and Plummer had? Green has led the best offense in the NFL.

When we need Green he steps up and makes things happen. When you guys need Plummer he ****s himself. Thats the difference.

[DBroncos4life]

Only 2 more INTS and only 4 more fumbles...wow. You throw those out like they are not big stats...we are talking 7 turnover difference in the NFL.

You really think Chief fans are that easy on our QBs? You think there isn't that much difference between the seasons Green and Plummer had? Green has led the best offense in the NFL.

When we need Green he steps up and makes things happen. When you guys need Plummer he ****s himself. Thats the difference.



Blah blah blah, we had the best O blah blah blah.

[elsid13]

Only 2 more INTS and only 4 more fumbles...wow. You throw those out like they are not big stats...we are talking 7 turnover difference in the NFL.

You really think Chief fans are that easy on our QBs? You think there isn't that much difference between the seasons Green and Plummer had? Green has led the best offense in the NFL.

When we need Green he steps up and makes things happen. When you guys need Plummer he ****s himself. Thats the difference.


I must of missed Green stepping up and leading KC to the playoffs. When did that happen??????

[ZachKC]

I must of missed Green stepping up and leading KC to the playoffs. When did that happen??????
If you think that had annything to do with our offensive production I would love to hear your reasoning.

[ZachKC]

Blah blah blah, we had the best O blah blah blah.
This post is par for the course on the orange mane.

[FADERPROOF]

Only 2 more INTS and only 4 more fumbles...wow. You throw those out like they are not big stats...we are talking 7 turnover difference in the NFL.

You really think Chief fans are that easy on our QBs? You think there isn't that much difference between the seasons Green and Plummer had? Green has led the best offense in the NFL.

When we need Green he steps up and makes things happen. When you guys need Plummer he ****s himself. Thats the difference.

Since when did 2+4=7?

[ZachKC]

Since when did 2+4=7?
My bad, I got typing fast...6 turnovers in the NFL...you can't play that kind of difference down.

[DBroncos4life]

This post is par for the course on the orange mane.


Then leave tool.

[ZachKC]

Then leave tool.
You not being able to talk like a big kid is no reason to get mad at me.

Besides if I leave then where will I hear great takes like how people fear Gates and TG as much as they fear....

wait for it...

Jeremey Shockey.

[FADERPROOF]

My bad, I got typing fast...6 turnovers in the NFL...you can't play that kind of difference down.

It happens, besides I believe he was talking about Green and not Plummer, Green had 17 INT's with 4 fumbles last year, Plummer had 21 INT's with no fumbles, I believe so(Yes, I'm too lazy to look it up exactly, but Green and Plummers turnovers were either tied or only 1 away from each other.)

[elsid13]

If you think that had annything to do with our offensive production I would love to hear your reasoning.


Ok how about this, your offense didn't control the clock enough to protect your defense. Instead of shorting the clock, KC continue to try out score opponets and allowing them to play against your D. What does it matter if you look pretty throwing the ball, all that matter at the end of the day is W.

[ZachKC]

It happens, besides I believe he was talking about Green and not Plummer, Green had 17 INT's with 4 fumbles last year, Plummer had 21 INT's with no fumbles, I believe so(Yes, I'm too lazy to look it up exactly, but Green and Plummers turnovers were either tied or only 1 away from each other.)
I don't know those numbers offhand and like you, don't feel like looking for them.

The big difference like I said is that when we really needed our QB and offense to get it done. Trent Green was right there making things happen.

When you guys needed Plummer you were left cussing it up in the OM chat room.

You don't throw for 16,000 yards in 4 seasons and lead the leagues highest scoring offense without getting things done.

[DBroncos4life]

You not being able to talk like a big kid is no reason to get mad at me.

Besides if I leave then where will I hear great takes like how people fear Gates and TG as much as they fear....

wait for it...

Jeremey Shockey.


A KC fan was the one that said Shockey and NOT Gates. In fact I think teams DO fear some TE's but somehow I don't think Kris Wilson is one of them. Again a KC fan said Kris was a better TE then anything Denver has but don't let the 0 career catches get in the way of thinking that. As I pointed out a 6'1" TE won't be hard to cover with a LB. Even more so because he can't out run DJ and weights just about the same as him.

[ZachKC]

Ok how about this, your offense didn't control the clock enough to protect your defense. Instead of shorting the clock, KC continue to try out score opponets and allowing them to play against your D. What does it matter if you look pretty throwing the ball, all that matter at the end of the day is W.
We made more first downs than any team in the history of the game last year. We were not racking up points on 80 yard bombs. Are bigger strength is on the ground.

No matter how you spin it there when you lay out blame for the Chiefs rough times none of it goes to the offense.

[RhymesayersDU]

You not being able to talk like a big kid is no reason to get mad at me.

Besides if I leave then where will I hear great takes like how people fear Gates and TG as much as they fear....

wait for it...

Jeremey Shockey.
Haven't you heard? Tony G isn't that great. All hype, a product of a great O-Line who protects their QB so he has all day to pass.

Man, I just love a good fairytale. Mother Goose posts at this board, under many different aliases.

[RhymesayersDU]

We made more first downs than any team in the history of the game last year. We were not racking up points on 80 yard bombs. Are bigger strength is on the ground.

No matter how you spin it there when you lay out blame for the Chiefs rough times none of it goes to the offense.
GRAMMAR POLICE!

Are = Our!

[ZachKC]

A KC fan was the one that said Shockey and NOT Gates. In fact I think teams DO fear some TE's but somehow I don't think Kris Wilson is one of them. Again a KC fan said Kris was a better TE then anything Denver has but don't let the 0 career catches get in the way of thinking that. As I pointed out a 6'1" TE won't be hard to cover with a LB. Even more so because he can't out run DJ and weights just about the same as him.
The upside to Wilson is that he is just another weapon. He will be athletic enough to make a great catch. If your Wilson is guarding our Wilson than that is great because it is one of your studs being wrapped up by one of our secondary weapons. Wilson will be on the field at the same time as TG for a lot of sets.

[DBroncos4life]

But Kris is just one of many future weapons on that powerful KC O.

[ZachKC]

GRAMMAR POLICE!

Are = Our!
You caught me.

You are going to pay for this you rat bastard.

tsk tsk

[FADERPROOF]

I don't know those numbers offhand and like you, don't feel like looking for them.

The big difference like I said is that when we really needed our QB and offense to get it done. Trent Green was right there making things happen.

When you guys needed Plummer you were left cussing it up in the OM chat room.

You don't throw for 16,000 yards in 4 seasons and lead the leagues highest scoring offense without getting things done.

I tried to stay away from the OM chats as much as possible, some people in there on gameday are intolerable to deal with but if I was then I'm sure I was cussing up a storm at Jake's play down the stretch(last 4-6 games of the season.)

[ZachKC]

His main thing is that a team will have to account for him with an athletic player...and that just opens up the field for our offense.

[DBroncos4life]

His main thing is that a team will have to account for him with an athletic player...and that just opens up the field for our offense.


We will see. You still don't know if Horn or Bo will be able to step up and be a number 2 or 3 WR. I know Eddie wouldn't be a number one on any team in the NFL but KC's. Still the future of KC's O is LJ and that is pretty much it.

[TotallyScrewed]

Let's see...

Denver counters Wilson with Williams (no hole to throw to there),
Denver counters Gonzo with Bailey (Don't try me like that!),
Denver counters Kennison with Walls (please throw the ball that way, please!)
Denver counters Green with Gold (Paper or Plastic??)

Next scenario...

[wabbit]

Chiefs | Mitchell Injures Knee, may need Scope
Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:30:24 -0700

KCChiefs.com reports Kansas City Chiefs head coach Dick Vermeil said WR Freddie Mitchell (knee) hurt his knee at practice Saturday, July 30. He may need arthroscopic surgery. Right now Mitchell is conferring with the team doctor.


hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...whew!

Ha

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I suspect that if the Chiefs have a bad preseason, he'll retire. He's sticking around in hopes that this is the year to win a Superbowl. If he loses hope in that, he may pack it in...

Wow. That is the most completely ridiculous thing I've heard this offseason.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

A 6'1" or 6'2" TE will never strike fear into any team. In fact we could put Gold on him and not worry about a damn thing.

Hahahaha! Shannon Sharpe was 6'2.

[Meck77]

Wow. That is the most completely ridiculous thing I've heard this offseason.


Bob you should get the wax out of your ears and listen to yourself for a change.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bob you should get the wax out of your ears and listen to yourself for a change.

Seriously...who ever heard of a player retiring during preseason? There's no chance that happens.

As for Trent Green, why is everyone constantly referring to his season last year? Why not the previous two seasons of 13 and 12 interceptions?

I can't wait to see Green own your defense again this year.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I'm really glad kickoff is almost here. Then we can lay all this BS offseason/preseason talk to rest.

:unamused:

Good thread, though, TJ.

[Rausch]

Go ask around the league who they would want on their team, Rod Smith or Eddie Kennison.

I guarantee you that Rod Smith wins in a landslide.

I would.

But then, Rod's a Missouri guy...

[Rausch]

But Kris is just one of many future weapons on that powerful KC O.

Exactly.

Or did you mean that as sarcasm?

Either way insulting the Chiefs Offense makes you look silly. Stick to bashing their defense where there's plenty of material to work with.

And the fellas' bashing Bell's talent are showing their azz. He's an amazing LB, but if he isn't healthy it doesn't matter. His health is a (big) concern, not his playmaking ability.

[sirhcyennek81]

Bell has never played a 4-3 in the nfl. there is a difference between being the MLB in a 3-4 and one of the ILB in a 3-4. We will see tho.

[watermock]

Bell has never played a 4-3 in the nfl. there is a difference between being the MLB in a 3-4 and one of the ILB in a 3-4. We will see tho.
He played the inside strong side in the 3/4. Doesn't matter.

[Ninjafied]

Seriously...who ever heard of a player retiring during preseason? There's no chance that happens.
Seriously… no chance?
Have you ever heard of someone quitting the night before a game??? And then playing for the division arch-rival?
Crazy things happen in this world, especially so when mega-egos are on the line.

BTW didn’t Ricky William retire in the preseason?

[watermock]

Bob is so delusinal that his wife puts on makeup and says shes going to Wal-Mart for the next three hours to buy kitty litter.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Now we are comparing Shields to Eddie Kennison. You guys are really reaching this preseason.

[FADERPROOF]

Now we are comparing Shields to Eddie Kennison. You guys are really reaching this preseason.

It's not preseason yet, y'idiot.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

It's not preseason yet, y'idiot.

Close enough.

[Phantom]

Green has led the best offense in the NFL.

When we need Green he steps up and makes things happen. When you guys need Plummer he ****s himself. Thats the difference.

That is a load of cr@p!

(1) The number one O led to what accomplishment? 7 and 9? No playoff wins during that run.

(2) There were at least three games last year where the last Chiefs offense possession (with decent time on the clock) ended in a Green INT. He made game altering mistakes in the red zone plenty of times. You should know better, assuming you watched every Chiefs game.

(3) Plummer is 19 and 8 as a Broncos starter, threw for over 4000 yards and tied Elways single season TD mark. He's not the best, but he's not inferrior to Green.

(4) Several of the Broncos close scoring victories (TB for example) were aided by a time consuming, orchestrated 4th quarter offensive drive.

[Rock Chalk]

Where did I say i was hoping for him to get hurt, Rausch? I was simply passin along info that he too was hurting. Outside of maybe Will Allen and Jake Grove, I do not take pleasure in seeing other team's players get hurt, even if they are on teams I hate.
Hogwash. If someone from a team the Broncos are playing gets hurt, I aint crying about it. Especially if its one of their good players. Injuries are never an excuse for us, so **** em. Moreover, I hope they can never come back to perform their magic against my team again.

Lets be honest about it. No, I dont think any of us WISH for players to get hurt...on a regular basis anyway, but I also dont believe any of us give two ****s if the enemy does get hurt and in some small measure helps our team win. Really now, good sportsmanship does not include being sad because a football player not on my team gets hurt. Sorry. When Priest Holmes went down, as much as I think he is a great player, I said "WOOHOO" because I knew that was one less threat we had to worry about.

Oh and Ive wished for his ass to get hurt, but usually only when he is tearing a hole in our ass which he is wont to do from time to time. My point is, its ludicrous to say one thing when, in your heart, you are just as dirty and nasty as the rest of us. We're ****ing Americans for f*ck's sake! :USA:

[ZachKC]

That is a load of cr@p!

(1) The number one O led to what accomplishment? 7 and 9? No playoff wins during that run.

(2) There were at least three games last year where the last Chiefs offense possession (with decent time on the clock) ended in a Green INT. He made game altering mistakes in the red zone plenty of times. You should know better, assuming you watched every Chiefs game.

(3) Plummer is 19 and 8 as a Broncos starter, threw for over 4000 yards and tied Elways single season TD mark. He's not the best, but he's not inferrior to Green.

(4) Several of the Broncos close scoring victories (TB for example) were aided by a time consuming, orchestrated 4th quarter offensive drive.
1) If you think that is ebcause of the offense then you are beyond jaded.

2) There were mistakes made. It is an NFL season. As a Bronco fan, would you really like to start a "not getting it done in the redzone" disucssion?

3) When you need Plummer...he is MIA. You don't need stats to prove it. Your own fanbase knows it. If he DOES step it up Plummer is the real deal but he is inconsistant and costs you guys dearly. I would be really worried about this Broncos offense under another QB. I am not being sarcastic at all when I say that.

4) Green has thrown for 16,000 yds the past 4 years. And has led the best offense in the league. When we need him...he is right there leading the offense. You don't have an offense like that with Jake Plummer at healm. We don't have to change our whole offense to suit Green's weaknesses.

[orange crusher]

When the game is on the line, Plummer has played his best ball. If you watched the Broncos play last year, you would know that Jake didn't make many mistakes when the game was on the line. He seems to be a better player when his back is against the wall.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

When the game is on the line, Plummer has played his best ball.

ROFL!

What about when the game was on the line in SD? Where was he when your defense was taking a nap in the playoffs?

[ZachKC]

When the game is on the line, Plummer has played his best ball. If you watched the Broncos play last year, you would know that Jake didn't make many mistakes when the game was on the line. He seems to be a better player when his back is against the wall.
You needed him in the playoffs. Those games were not only his fault. But he was MIA.

Seems like it would have been a good time to step up and take care of business for his team...silence the doubters. It only amplified his rep for being inconsistant.

[Phantom]

1) If you think that is ebcause of the offense then you are beyond jaded.

Its not because of the O, its because of the Chiefs, and its funny as hell. Separating the pros from the cons doesn't change the end result.

2) There were mistakes made. It is an NFL season. As a Bronco fan, would you really like to start a "not getting it done in the redzone" disucssion?

Just providing examples that clearly dispute this statement ...
"When we need Green he steps up and makes things happen. When you guys need Plummer he ****s himself."

3) When you need Plummer...he is MIA. You don't need stats to prove it. Your own fanbase knows it. If he DOES step it up Plummer is the real deal but he is inconsistant and costs you guys dearly. I would be really worried about this Broncos offense under another QB. I am not being sarcastic at all when I say that.

OK Plummer is 19 and 6 in the regular season. I'm glad you think so highly of the Broncos to think that is under achieving.

4) Green has thrown for 16,000 yds the past 4 years. And has led the best offense in the league. When we need him...he is right there leading the offense. You don't have an offense like that with Jake Plummer at healm. We don't have to change our whole offense to suit Green's weaknesses

Again, he is winning ball games, if he DID show up he'd be 25 - 0, I guess. The two playoff loses and the Q fumble against Jax were not "Jake loses", so your attributing 5 loses (at most) to Jake's blunders. Five loses in 27 games. This year he could be even better (at winning, not looking pretty, thats Greens job). .

[Wes Mantooth]

Bob,
though I am a noob around here, I have to comment. How many picks in the SD game bounced off a receivers hands? If I remember correctly, it was all 4.

ROFL!

What about when the game was on the line in SD? Where was he when your defense was taking a nap in the playoffs?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Winning is a team accomplishment. I don't know how many times I have to say it. If Jake Plummer's defense was allowing 30 points a game, you'd be the Denver Cardinals.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Bob,
though I am a noob around here, I have to comment. How many picks in the SD game bounced off a receivers hands? If I remember correctly, it was all 4.

He still played like garbage in that came, no matter how you slice it.

[Wes Mantooth]

Sorry Bob, that would be the Denver Chiefs.

Winning is a team accomplishment. I don't know how many times I have to say it. If Jake Plummer's defense was allowing 30 points a game, you'd be the Denver Cardinals.

[ZachKC]

1)Its not because of the O, its because of the Chiefs, and its funny as hell. Separating the pros from the cons doesn't change the end result.

If you can't seperate that our offense is a strength and our defense is a weakness than you are just an idiot.

2)Just providing examples that clearly disputing this statement ...
"When we need Green he steps up and makes things happen. When you guys need Plummer he ****s himself."

Playoffs.

3)OK Plummer is 19 and 6 in the regular season. I'm glad you think so highly of the Broncos to think that is under achieving.

If you are happy with one and out then more power to you. If you stick with this statment thats what you are saying. And I thought Chiefs fans were made fun of for shining regular season medals.

4)Again, he is winning ball games, if he DID show up he'd be 25 - 0, I guess. The two playoff loses and the Q fumble against Jax were not "Jake loses", so your attributing 5 loses (at most) to Jake's blunders. Five loses in 27 games. This year he could be even better (at winning, not looking pretty, thats Greens job). .

Unless you are the Broncos in KC last year the line between winning and losing is very small in the NFL. Every single team could play "this play and that play" and come up with a good amount of wins. Evfery team...thats just how it is.

[Phantom]

1)Its not because of the O, its because of the Chiefs, and its funny as hell. Separating the pros from the cons doesn't change the end result.

If you can't seperate that our offense is a strength and our defense is a weakness than you are just an idiot.

2)Just providing examples that clearly disputing this statement ...
"When we need Green he steps up and makes things happen. When you guys need Plummer he ****s himself."

Playoffs.


3)OK Plummer is 19 and 6 in the regular season. I'm glad you think so highly of the Broncos to think that is under achieving.


If you are happy with one and out then more power to you. If you stick with this statment thats what you are saying. And I thought Chiefs fans were made fun of for shining regular season medals.

4)Again, he is winning ball games, if he DID show up he'd be 25 - 0, I guess. The two playoff loses and the Q fumble against Jax were not "Jake loses", so your attributing 5 loses (at most) to Jake's blunders. Five loses in 27 games. This year he could be even better (at winning, not looking pretty, thats Greens job). .

Unless you are the Broncos in KC last year the line between winning and losing is very small in the NFL. Every single team could play "this play and that play" and come up with a good amount of wins. Evfery team...thats just how it is.

(1,2)You say don't blame Green, because of the D. Then follow that up with - where was Plummer in the playoffs (when our D got blasted).

(3) I find it comical that Chief fans say "I'm glad you have Plummer" when these are the W/L.

(4) True, every team can make that claim, but how many teams can say they lost a game by fumbling on a play to center the ball for a chip shot and a W. If you can't grant that, then you are a delusional homer.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

(3) I find it comical that Chief fans say "I'm glad you have Plummer" when these are the W/L.
.

Plummer is not the driving force in most of your victories.

[ZachKC]

(1,2)You say don't blame Green, because of the D. Then follow that up with - where was Plummer in the playoffs (when our D got blasted).

(3) I find it comical that Chief fans say "I'm glad you have Plummer" when these are the W/L.

(4) True, every team can make that claim, but how many teams can say they lost a game by fumbling on a play to center the ball for a chip shot and a W. If you can't grant that, then you are a delusional homer.
1) Green has taken care of business when the D did not. Plummer did not to that. We get in shoot outs not ass kickings.

3) If you are ok with with the level at which your team is playing than more power to you. I am really glad you have Plummer.

4) How many teams can say they lost a game based on one play? Alot.

[SoCalBronco]

http://66.49.247.155/BB/image.php?u=2284&dateline=1123042805

"Right Hand only"

Finally coming out of the closet, huh Bob?

[Phantom]

Plummer is not the driving force in most of your victories.

The discussion was ... Plummer is not there when you need him. Of the 8 loses under Plummer, I discounted the playoffs and the JAX game as "a loss that wasn't a direct result of a Plummer mistake". So you have five loses that you could claim were on Plummer - but the Atlanta game was high scoring, so according to Chef fan that is the D not the O. See the point ... you stand by a claim that Jake sucks and you're glad we have him, but the W/L don't echo that claim.

[ZachKC]

Why are you discounting the playoff games? I never said it was only his fault, I actually said it wasn't specifically. But the fact is...you needed him at both those games he was nowhere to be seen. Maybe they don't roll up crazy numbers on you if your QB acts like he knows how to play football.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The discussion was ... Plummer is not there when you need him. Of the 8 loses under Plummer, I discounted the playoffs and the JAX game as "a loss that wasn't a direct result of a Plummer mistake". So you have five loses that you could claim were on Plummer - but the Atlanta game was high scoring, so according to Chef fan that is the D not the O. See the point ... you stand by a claim that Jake sucks and you're glad we have him, but the W/L don't echo that claim.

No, they do. Most of the time, your defense keeps the game close enough where Plummer doesn't have to do much for your team to win the game. If you have a strong running game that day (more often than not, you do), his responsibility is even less.

You used the Atlanta game as an example. Yes your D sucked that day. But aside from some garbage TDs late in the game, Plummer was unable to keep your team in the game when you got behind by a couple TDs.

[ZachKC]

When Denver's D has a rough day I guess it gives Jake a pass from being expected to play well at all...

Or something like that.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

When Denver's D has a rough day I guess it gives Jake a pass from being expected to play well at all...

Or something like that.

I would like to see Jake Plummer try to bring the Broncos back from a 17-point deficit in Green Bay.

[SoCalBronco]

Why are you discounting the playoff games? I never said it was only his fault, I actually said it wasn't specifically. But the fact is...you needed him at both those games he was nowhere to be seen. Maybe they don't roll up crazy numbers on you if your QB acts like he knows how to play football.

Zach, i think even under your standard there of "when you guys needed him he was nowhere to be seen" it is still okay to excuse Plummer for at least the 2nd playoff game. Even if Plummer was on his game and the offense was making plays, Denver wasnt going to put up 49 on Indianapolis to keep up with the Colts. The first playoff game, I cant excuse his play because he directly contributed to some of the early Colt scores. But in the 2nd, even if he completely showed up and really played great, we still would have lost.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

He didn't convert third downs in the first half when it was needed. He didn't keep the offense moving.

Indy had the ball way too much in the first half of that playoff game. A few good drives by Plummer would have helped your D. Instead, they were on the field WAY too much.

This has been discussed before, if you remember.

[Phantom]

1) Green has taken care of business when the D did not. Plummer did not to that. We get in shoot outs not ass kickings.

3) If you are ok with with the level at which your team is playing than more power to you. I am really glad you have Plummer.

4) How many teams can say they lost a game based on one play? Alot.

(1) Last two seasons Green is 20 and 12 - while Plummer is 19 and 6. I don't know what else to tell you, but your comparison is skewed by either homerism or irrelavance. You play to win. The QB gets equal credit for both.

(2) Based on last year, I'm happier than you.

(3) I guess the Clevland loss to the Chiefs, when dude took his helmet off was just another play - like every team has.

[ZachKC]

Zach, i think even under your standard there of "when you guys needed him he was nowhere to be seen" it is still okay to excuse Plummer for at least the 2nd playoff game. Even if Plummer was on his game and the offense was making plays, Denver wasnt going to put up 49 on Indianapolis to keep up with the Colts. The first playoff game, I cant excuse his play because he directly contributed to some of the early Colt scores. But in the 2nd, even if he completely showed up and really played great, we still would have lost.
Momentum is an amazing thing SoCal...amazing thing. I am not going to say that if did better you guys would have won but...

When you needed him...he didn't show up. No matter how bad the D was no matter what else. Thats the debate and its the fact.

[orange crusher]

Why are you discounting the playoff games? I never said it was only his fault, I actually said it wasn't specifically. But the fact is...you needed him at both those games he was nowhere to be seen. Maybe they don't roll up crazy numbers on you if your QB acts like he knows how to play football.

Just how many playoff games has Trent Green guided his team to? He couldn't even lead his team into the playoffs most of the years. Where was he when you needed him? He didn't exactly step up in that game.

[orange crusher]

When you needed him...he didn't show up. No matter how bad the D was no matter what else. Thats the debate and its the fact.

...and the same can be said of Trent Green, which takes us back to your original statement:

When we need Green he steps up and makes things happen. When you guys need Plummer he ****s himself. Thats the difference.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Just how many playoff games has Trent Green guided his team to? He couldn't even lead his team into the playoffs most of the years. Where was he when you needed him? He didn't exactly step up in that game.

We didn't punt. Try again.

[ZachKC]

Just how many playoff games has Trent Green guided his team to? He couldn't even lead his team into the playoffs most of the years. Where was he when you needed him? He didn't exactly step up in that game.
Are you kidding? 18/30 212 yds 1 TD 0 INTs. We didn't punt.

[ZachKC]

...and the same can be said of Trent Green, which takes us back to your original statement:

When we need Green he steps up and makes things happen. When you guys need Plummer he ****s himself. Thats the difference.
No, it can't be said for Trent Green. Our offense makes things happen. He leads it.

[ZachKC]

Again Phantom...when we lose games we lose shootouts. One side of the ball gets the job done and one does not.

[orange crusher]

We didn't punt. Try again.

Did you win? He had the ball in his hands with a chance to tie the game, didn't he?

[ZachKC]

Did you win? He had the ball in his hands with a chance to tie the game, didn't he?
For 8 seconds. I guess Plummer would have pulled that one out right?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Did you win? He had the ball in his hands with a chance to tie the game, didn't he?

Yeah, with about 5 seconds left and 60 yards away. That was literally the only chance he had.

Trent did everything in his power to win that game. We would have scored a touchdown on every drive, but...

1. Priest fumbled
2. 5 dropped passes, including two on third downs inside the 20, and 2 in the enzone.

And Morten Andersen missed a field goal.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

This is really stupid. Has Plummer ever QB'd a game where the offense didn't punt?

[orange crusher]

It was hardly a flawless game by Green. I do remember Holmes running wild against the Colts. "When we needed Green he steps up and makes things happen". 18-30 for 218 and a loss. Yeah, he really came through for you. If it wasn't for Holmes carrying their offense that game it would have been a lot worse.

Plummer went 24-34 for 284 against Indy in the playoffs last year with no running game to speak of. When the game was on the line against Jacksonville, Jake brought them down into scoring position only to have Griffin fumble the ball. Against Atlanta, he led them back and could have came within one score of the lead if Watts wouldn't have dropped a crucial pass in the end zone. Against Oakland, Jake led a drive in the final minutes to put the team within field goal range, only to have the kick blocked. Jake makes his share of mistakes but when the game is on the line in the final minutes of a game, he usually does what he needs to do to give them an opportunity to win.

[fontaine]

4) Green has thrown for 16,000 yds the past 4 years. And has led the best offense in the league. When we need him...he is right there leading the offense.

Yeah whatever. I've seen you criticize Green last season when he played poorly and the chefs were losing even though Priest and the running game was still churning out the yards.

[watermock]

I would like to see Jake Plummer try to bring the Broncos back from a 17-point deficit in Green Bay.

Isn't that the whole point? Falling behind by 17 to such a lame ass Norris Divison team has to be embarassing. They came back, so what. The HornHeads beat them on the road in the playoffs. This isn't 1997.

[Atlas]

Isn't that the whole point? Falling behind by 17 to such a lame ass Norris Divison team has to be embarassing. They came back, so what. The HornHeads beat them on the road in the playoffs. This isn't 1997.

The chefs also lost easy home games against the Texans and Panthers last year.

[Phantom]

Yeah, with about 5 seconds left and 60 yards away. That was literally the only chance he had.

Trent did everything in his power to win that game. We would have scored a touchdown on every drive, but...

1. Priest fumbled
2. 5 dropped passes, including two on third downs inside the 20, and 2 in the enzone.

And Morten Andersen missed a field goal.

Now its okay to attribute dropped passes to back your homer claims. Hilarious!

I wasn't even going that route ... the actual number of loses that you could attribute to a "Jake Mistake" is small, I was trying (as non-homerish) as possible to quantify that for you Chief fans. As OCrusher pointed out, the Raiders loss, the JAX loss, the Indy losses, etc....

The statement that Jake does not position the team to win is false, but it helps you sleep at night so ... carry on.

When Plummer didn't play (two seasons ago) they were below .500 , but thats too logical to understand.

[broncosteven]

We didn't punt. Try again.

Which Super bowl season was that? Last one KFC won was SB IV. I don't think your Daddy was born then Boob.

[broncosteven]

Again Phantom...when we lose games we lose shootouts. One side of the ball gets the job done and one does not.


When you lose games you LOSE. If you don't ahave a ring to show for it (or back to back rings in. Then all you have to hang your hat on is Stats.

Living in Chicago I hear all Bear fans say they prefer not to make playoffs unless they can win the SB, they don't want to be "embarrased" by a playoff loss. I prefer to make to playoffs & lose. Only 6 teams get in you make playoffs you team is better than 20 others. I don't understand how people can talk smack about their team when it does not make the playoffs on a consistent basis. Denvers last Playoff victory was 6 years ago but it is recent memory & we have been back to playoffs 3 times since then, what is KFC's record since 2000 in making playoffs? Who cares if you have a "Great" offense but don't make the Playoffs?

[TotallyScrewed]

So tell us how great Green would be w/o Holmes. Holmes is the MVP of that team. Green is along for the ride. How many passes are directed Holmes way? I'd just guess that 75%+ go either Holmes or Gonzo, and appx. 50% go to Holmes; w/o Holmes, Green looks bad.

It is just stupid to slam Jake when the running game is stinking it up. THe same holds true for Trent.

[Tom A Hawk]

So tell us how great Green would be w/o Holmes. Holmes is the MVP of that team. Green is along for the ride. How many passes are directed Holmes way? I'd just guess that 75%+ go either Holmes or Gonzo, and appx. 50% go to Holmes; w/o Holmes, Green looks bad.

It is just stupid to slam Jake when the running game is stinking it up. THe same holds true for Trent.

This is probably the most logical post here on this subject.

How is either side going to convince the other side that their QB is better than the others.....especially when neither side wants to believe anything else.

[Iowanian]

hahahhahahhahahahahahah Wilson is NOT better then Putz. ROFL!

Jason Dunn is a backup, blocking TE for the Chiefs.....and is Also a better option than Denver has at TE, including Putz(more appropriate name for Alexander though).

[Mile High Shack]

Jason Dunn is a backup, blocking TE for the Chiefs.....and is Also a better option than Denver has at TE, including Putz(more appropriate name for Alexander though).

how many catches Dunn have?

[Mediator12]

Jason Dunn is a backup, blocking TE for the Chiefs.....and is Also a better option than Denver has at TE, including Putz(more appropriate name for Alexander though).

Dunn is simply Dwayne Carswell in another uniform. Every team has a BIG TE, but not every BIG TE gets TONY G drawing Doubles over the Middle to make him look better.

[crazyhorse]

Who the hell is Putz? That dude aint never done squirt.

[crazyhorse]

Dunn is simply Dwayne Carswell in another uniform. Every team has a BIG TE, but not every BIG TE gets TONY G drawing Doubles over the Middle to make him look better.

Dunn is without a doubt the best blocking TE in the league. That is his role here.

[Mediator12]

Dunn 17 catches for 120 yds.; Carswell 22 for 198 :woowoo:

[Mediator12]

Dunn is without a doubt the best blocking TE in the league. That is his role here.

Its a shame the Pro-bowl does not offer invitations to the BEST BLOCKING TE. Then KC's Fans could write a program to fix it and assuade your assertions!

[Iowanian]

A KC fan was the one that said Shockey and NOT Gates. In fact I think teams DO fear some TE's but somehow I don't think Kris Wilson is one of them. Again a KC fan said Kris was a better TE then anything Denver has but don't let the 0 career catches get in the way of thinking that. As I pointed out a 6'1" TE won't be hard to cover with a LB. Even more so because he can't out run DJ and weights just about the same as him.

I said that Wilson is a better TE than anything on Denver. Hell, the Donks are trying to convert their most "productive" TE to Tackle. Alexander has been a non producing panzy, and Putz is average at best.

I love how you seem to think Height is the determining factor for everything TE-LB.

I hate to tell you but things like Arm length(ever see boxing tape...2 guys, same height, 1 has 6" more reach)..agility, speed, hands, route running, blocking et al.

Marcus Pollard is 6'3
Algae Crumpler is 6'2
Jermain Wiggins is 6'2 I think
Eric Johnson is 6'3 and was the #3 TE last year, even injured part of the time
Dallas Clarke is supposely 6'3

If being Tall is the factor...Bubba Franks would be a monster in the league.
Speed, Agility, Intelligence, Route Running, Hands, Arm length, quickness....all are important....I'll even say MORE important than the difference between 6'1 and 6'3

[Iowanian]

Dunn 17 catches for 120 yds.; Carswell 22 for 198 :woowoo:

Dunn 3 TDs
Carswell 1 TD


wooowooo eh?

45-17.

[Saulbadguy]

You are wasting your time arguing with DBroncos4life.


He is a Nebraska fan.

[Mediator12]

Dunn 3 TDs
Carswell 1 TD


wooowooo eh?

45-17.


Patrick Hape 6 catches for 3 TD's Woo Woo ROFL!

Got anyone with a 50% TD catch ratio???

[Saulbadguy]

Yeah, with about 5 seconds left and 60 yards away. That was literally the only chance he had.

Trent did everything in his power to win that game. We would have scored a touchdown on every drive, but...

1. Priest fumbled
2. 5 dropped passes, including two on third downs inside the 20, and 2 in the enzone.

And Morten Andersen missed a field goal.
And a Phantom pass interference call on Tony Gonzalez in the end zone.

I'd take 31-38 over the assrapings the Colts have handed the Broncos the past couple of years.

[Iowanian]

So tell us how great Green would be w/o Holmes. Holmes is the MVP of that team. Green is along for the ride. How many passes are directed Holmes way? I'd just guess that 75%+ go either Holmes or Gonzo, and appx. 50% go to Holmes; w/o Holmes, Green looks bad.

It is just stupid to slam Jake when the running game is stinking it up. THe same holds true for Trent.

Green didn't have Holmes for half of last season, Erkle and still put up 4000+ yards.

[Saulbadguy]

Now its okay to attribute dropped passes to back your homer claims. Hilarious!

I wasn't even going that route ... the actual number of loses that you could attribute to a "Jake Mistake" is small, I was trying (as non-homerish) as possible to quantify that for you Chief fans. As OCrusher pointed out, the Raiders loss, the JAX loss, the Indy losses, etc....

The statement that Jake does not position the team to win is false, but it helps you sleep at night so ... carry on.

When Plummer didn't play (two seasons ago) they were below .500 , but thats too logical to understand.
You are right. Its usually the Broncos _efense that doesn't step up in those losses.

[crazyhorse]

Its a shame the Pro-bowl does not offer invitations to the BEST BLOCKING TE. Then KC's Fans could write a program to fix it and assuade your assertions!

I am perfectly happy with role of Dunn. I really dont care much about the Probowl.

[Saulbadguy]

So tell us how great Green would be w/o Holmes. Holmes is the MVP of that team. Green is along for the ride. How many passes are directed Holmes way? I'd just guess that 75%+ go either Holmes or Gonzo, and appx. 50% go to Holmes; w/o Holmes, Green looks bad.

It is just stupid to slam Jake when the running game is stinking it up. THe same holds true for Trent.
I'd say if Trent didn't have Tony, his numbers would be worst. He really didn't pass to Priest that much in the past 2 years, and he DID play without Priest the last half of the season.

[Tredici]

And a Phantom pass interference call on Tony Gonzalez in the end zone.

I'd take 31-38 over the assrapings the Colts have handed the Broncos the past couple of years.


Let's Lose Close. Hey!

Let's Lose Close!

Stupidest chant out there.

[Mediator12]

I said that Wilson is a better TE than anything on Denver. Hell, the Donks are trying to convert their most "productive" TE to Tackle. Alexander has been a non producing panzy, and Putz is average at best.

I love how you seem to think Height is the determining factor for everything TE-LB.

I hate to tell you but things like Arm length(ever see boxing tape...2 guys, same height, 1 has 6" more reach)..agility, speed, hands, route running, blocking et al.

Marcus Pollard is 6'3
Algae Crumpler is 6'2
Jermain Wiggins is 6'2 I think
Eric Johnson is 6'3 and was the #3 TE last year, even injured part of the time
Dallas Clarke is supposely 6'3

If being Tall is the factor...Bubba Franks would be a monster in the league.
Speed, Agility, Intelligence, Route Running, Hands, Arm length, quickness....all are important....I'll even say MORE important than the difference between 6'1 and 6'3

Kris Wilson? The guy with more tackles than Career Receptions? Based on What??? Your own delusions!

[Saulbadguy]

Let's Lose Close. Hey!

Let's Lose Close!

Stupidest chant out there.
"We were invited in to the playoffs! yay!'

[NYBroncoManiac]

"Haven't been to the big one in 45 years! Wooooo Woooo!"

[Saulbadguy]

"Haven't been to the big one in 45 years! Wooooo Woooo!"
Oh...history lessons now,eh?


"Yay..we're only 10 games behind in the all time series!"

[WoodMan]

Are you kidding? 18/30 212 yds 1 TD 0 INTs. We didn't punt.The Chefs lost,.....fool. Statistics are for losers. And who gives a **** if you punted or not. You LOST! No superbowl for you. JEEZ-MA-TEEZ

[NYBroncoManiac]

Oh...history lessons now,eh?


"Yay..we're only 10 games behind in the all time series!"


You wanna talk history? How about 7-12 in playoffs versus 16-13...

How about Denver being the AFC Champ 6 times?

[Saulbadguy]

You wanna talk history? How about 7-12 in playoffs versus 16-13...

How about Denver being the AFC Champ 6 times?
Its all quite odd, considering you could do all that and not even beat the Chiefs on a consistent basis. BTW, its 8-12 and 16-14.

[NYBroncoManiac]

What's odd is that you care more about the Chief's record against the Broncos than their record in the playoffs.

I, personally, don't give a damn about the Bronco's record against the Chiefs as long as they make the platyoffs and continue to post winning seasons.

But then, that's the difference between teams that are perennial winners and teams that are perennial losers... winners just want to keep winning... losers want to find something to cheer for. If you're happy cheering about historical wins against the Broncos, then be happy.

[Saulbadguy]

What's odd is that you care more about the Chief's record against the Broncos than their record in the playoffs.

I, personally, don't give a damn about the Bronco's record against the Chiefs as long as they make the platyoffs and continue to post winning seasons.

But then, that's the difference between teams that are perennial winners and teams that are perennial losers... winners just want to keep winning... losers want to find something to cheer for. If you're happy cheering about historical wins against the Broncos, then be happy.
You were the one who brought up historical figures. If you want to pound on your chest about titles won 7 years ago, go ahead. Just don't say "those don't matter" when other historical figures are thrown in your face. Also, let it be known when you are arguing with a Chiefs fan, your "playoff appearance" is irellevant, as you were 1) not that far ahead of the Chiefs in the divisional standings, 2) invited to the playoffs by the Colts, who then in turn destroyed you the next game, and 3) were destroyed by the Chiefs in the final meeting. That doesn't leave a whole lot of room for smack, besides the 'we won 2 superbowls last decade!"

Just don't let any Raiders try to talk smack on you. Thats all I ask. :)

[Taco John]

"We were invited in to the playoffs! yay!'



To get invited to the playoffs, don't you have to have a certain amount of wins? I'm pretty sure that's the criteria.

[Darkhawk24]

Saul I personally don't care what the Chiefs did before my life time. They haven't sniffed a superbowl since my eyes have been open. (1978)

[NYBroncoManiac]

You were the one who brought up historical figures. If you want to pound on your chest about titles won 7 years ago, go ahead. Just don't say "those don't matter" when other historical figures are thrown in your face. Also, let it be known when you are arguing with a Chiefs fan, your "playoff appearance" is irellevant, as you were 1) not that far ahead of the Chiefs in the divisional standings, 2) invited to the playoffs by the Colts, who then in turn destroyed you the next game, and 3) were destroyed by the Chiefs in the final meeting. That doesn't leave a whole lot of room for smack, besides the 'we won 2 superbowls last decade!"

Just don't let any Raiders try to talk smack on you. Thats all I ask. :)


Technically, Saul, you brought up history before I did.

I'd take 31-38 over the assrapings the Colts have handed the Broncos the past couple of years.

"We were invited in to the playoffs! yay!'

My historical reference was a direct response to your post. I simply found it humorous that a fan of the venerable Chiefs would bring up a playoffs loss as "Smack".

If you want to talk history, then let's talk history... The fact of the matter, historically, is the Broncos have been "invited" to the big 6 times since the Chiefs made their last appearance...

The Chiefs were 1 and done the last time they made the playoffs, and the time before that, they were beaten by the lowly wildcard Broncos in their own house.

Wanna go back farther? I believe the Colts knocked you out at home in '95 as well. Oh... and 1 and done in '94?

'93 was better, of course... Chiefs made it all the way to the Chamionship, only to lose tto the Bills.

Then there was the great one and done shutout by the Chargers for '92.

'91 had you actually win one against the Raidahs before losing to the Bills.

One and done again for '90

Enough?

[ZachKC]

Yeah whatever. I've seen you criticize Green last season when he played poorly and the chefs were losing even though Priest and the running game was still churning out the yards.
I have criticzed Green. He is not perfect. I am not trying to claim he is the league MVP. But he has gotten it done for us time and again.

[DivineLegion]

Plummer is still the Donkey QB. We'll be fine.

What does that have to do with your offensive line or the WR position?

Bells only playing 2 games this season...BTW

[ROYC75]

Yep, nothing has changed around here, nothing at all . SB appearances, playoff wins, head to head, last years' games......stats suck fellas....

Nice to see everybody getting into fulltime football BB mode..............


BTW, who's this Bronco LB 52 ? The little peckerhead neg repped me all winter to a negative total ........ :loopy: ;D

Go Chiefs .......... :poke:

[DBroncos4life]

Yep, nothing has changed around here, nothing at all . SB appearances, playoff wins, head to head, last years' games......stats suck fellas....

Nice to see everybody getting into fulltime football BB mode..............


BTW, who's this Bronco LB 52 ? The little peckerhead neg repped me all winter to a negative total ........ :loopy: ;D

Go Chiefs .......... :poke:



There I just gave you 7 bars. :)

[ROYC75]

There I just gave you 7 bars. :)

WOW..... didn't expect that, but I didn't expect Bronco LB 52 to do his winter attack either. It's all in good fun, really.

FWIW.... thank you.

Looks as thou this years AFC West is going to be a knock down drag out contest. With the right breaks in a few games, any team can come out on top or in the playoffs.

[DBroncos4life]

WOW..... didn't expect that, but I didn't expect Bronco LB 52 to do his winter attack either. It's all in good fun, really.

FWIW.... thank you.

Looks as thou this years AFC West is going to be a knock down drag out contest. With the right breaks in a few games, any team can come out on top or in the playoffs.


No problem. Just don't tell anyone k ;)

[Atlas]

I have criticzed Green. He is not perfect. I am not trying to claim he is the league MVP. But he has gotten it done for us time and again.

I have to agree with the Chef fans on this one. Green has played great. It hasn't been his play that has kept the Chefs from winning a playoff game. I think Green is a better QB than Plummer. He has a stronger arm and reads defenses better. Plus look at what he has done without any great WRs on the roster. King Karl should be fired for not getting him a big time threat.....
Actually King Karl should get a contract extension as long as he is pulling the strings for KC Denver will have an advantage.

[watermock]

I literally LOL when they gave King Karl a 6 year extention. They finally started addressing the defense, but it's going to be too little, too late. It's not smack, it's FACT. By 2006, the defense will be better glued together, but the core of the offense will just be another year older. If they had the simple sense, like everyone and their grandmother could see, they would of made a few moves on Defense two years ago.

[Atlas]

they would of made a few moves on Defense two years ago.

I agree with that. They were very close to being a championship team and what do they do for the defense??? NOTHING!!!!

They thought a change at D coordinator was all they needed. Well, tell you what Greg Robinson isnm't a bad D cooridnator. You need the players to get it done and KC didn't have the players. Which Gunther quickly found out.