top 10 QBs in the league

[Cody]

Who are your top 10 QBs in the NFL?

[ludo21]

1. Tom Brady - 3 rings, need i say more?
2. Manning - hate to say it but, cant deny him
3. Mcnabb - great
4a. Trent Green
4b. Culpepper
6. Favre
7. Vick -once he steps up and passes well, hell be top 5 easily.

[Sir Mawn]

No respect for McNair? When healthy, he's a one man recking crew.

[Atlas]

No respect for McNair? When healthy, he's a one man recking crew.

He is tough but over-rated. He is a great leader but He isn't a great passer.

[Sir Mawn]

He is tough but over-rated. He is a great leader but He isn't a great passer.

He's a great QUARTERBACK. And he's proven to be too valuable for his team.

[Atlas]

He's a great QUARTERBACK. And he's proven to be too valuable for his team.
He is a good QB. I have nothing against him he just isn't great. The Backup QB... the name slips me out preformed him by a mile last year and we'll see how he performs this year. I think if he isn't done he is close to it.

[Sir Mawn]

Well then I think we disagree. When he's healthy, he's unstoppable. He's a warrior and he's extremely effective. He wins games all by himself. You can't ask more from a QB and you can't say that about many QB's around the league either.

He might be done, but because of health reasons.

[Atlas]

Well then I think we disagree. When he's healthy, he's unstoppable. He's a warrior and he's extremely effective. He wins games all by himself. You can't ask more from a QB and you can't say that about many QB's around the league either.

He might be done, but because of health reasons.

Agree to disagree. He is a warrior and a great leader he just isn't a great passer. Plus he is so injury prone it's redicules.

[TheReverend]

He is a good QB. I have nothing against him he just isn't great. The Backup QB... the name slips me out preformed him by a mile last year and we'll see how he performs this year. I think if he isn't done he is close to it.

Billy Volek and yes he smoked McNair... I still chafe over that co-MVP bullsh!t. That was peytons trophy.

[TheReverend]

Agree to disagree.

"Founded in 1904 by the Germans they named it 'San Diego', which, of course, is German for 'Whale's Vagina'."

[Cody]

I think McNair is just about done, as well. The good news is they found his replacement in Volek already (they hope, anyway).

[TheReverend]

1. Peyton Manning
2. Donovan McNabb
3. Culpepper
4. Vick
5. Favre
6. Plummer
7. Leftwhich
8. Delhomme
9. Warner
10. Bulger

[PatsWin2002]

1. Peyton Manning
2. Donovan McNabb
3. Culpepper
4. Vick
5. Favre
6. Plummer
7. Leftwhich
8. Delhomme
9. Warner
10. Bulger

I think you forgot "someone". ;D

[broncogary]

I think you forgot "someone". ;D

How could he leave Roethlisberger out, the dope. :)

[TheReverend]

I think you forgot "someone". ;D

Sorry, buddy, I sure didnt. He's down there in the 30s with Kyle Boller.

"Just as the media and the rest of the team created him, this year they will destroy him."--Prophecy of Brady, Reverend 3:16

[PatsWin2002]

Sorry, buddy, I sure didnt. He's down there in the 30s with Kyle Boller.

"Just as the media and the rest of the team created him, this year they will destroy him."--Prophecy of Brady, Reverend 3:16


Wow.

Warner? ???

[-Slap-]

I think you forgot "someone". ;D

Its like the article I read last summer in Pro Football Weakly that called Tedy Bruschi the 19th best inside linebacker in the League.

[Raiders Rock]

Here's my list, any further down is too close to call

Manning
Brady
Vick
Favre
Delhomme
Big Ben

[TheReverend]

Its like the article I read last summer in Pro Football Weakly that called Tedy Bruschi the 19th best inside linebacker in the League.

I admit EXTREME bias. I hate how QBs get the credit for team success... no bigger example than Tom Brady. He does his job consistently... but I hate him and nitpick every time I watch him play... like I could do any better or something... haha

[gunns]

Agree to disagree. He is a warrior and a great leader he just isn't a great passer. Plus he is so injury prone it's redicules.

Then how can Vick be on any list?

[Sassy]

All that matters is that you win the big game at the end...;D

[GreatBronco16]

I would Plummer in the top 10 before I would ever think of putting Vick in there.

Warner and Bulger? rofl

[Jason in LA]

I've said many times that Brady gets credit that he doesn't deserve. I'll put him in my top 10, but not my top five. Put him on just about any other team and nobody is talking about that guy.

What was the Titans record under Volek? Oh yeah, they sucked. I'll take a healthy McNair over most other QBs.

I've always loved the scrambling QB. Elway was the greatest. I'll take McNabb and Culpepper over any QB in the league.

Vick never gets the credit he should get. Is he a good passer? No. Is he a great QB? Hell yeah!!! The guy has like an 80% winning percentage since high school. The Falcons go 9-7 in his first year as a starter, and beat the Packers in Green Bay in the playoffs. He gets hurt and the team starts the year 2-9. He comes back and they finish 3-2 under him. Then this past year they go 12-4 with him healthy all year. What more does the guy have to do? He's a winner. That team blows without him, and they win playoff games with him. There is no question that he's a top 5 QB. The only argument against him is his style leads to injury. Other than that, it's hard to question him. He'd win games on most teams in the league. The Broncos would be Super Bowl contenders with him at QB. He's not a great passer. But I don't see why he's the only guy that doesn't get time to develop. He's only been a starter for two years. All other QBs get at least three years before people start to question them. Vick is bound to get better as a passer.

[TheReverend]

I've said many times that Brady gets credit that he doesn't deserve. I'll put him in my top 10, but not my top five. Put him on just about any other team and nobody is talking about that guy.

What was the Titans record under Volek? Oh yeah, they sucked. I'll take a healthy McNair over most other QBs.

How can you agree with me on Brady and then say that about McNair/Volek? Half the Titans were on the IR!

[REB]

Ya gotta love these kinds of threads right before FF drafts.............

[REB]

Tell us more

[Atlas]

Then how can Vick be on any list?

I didn't make any lists.

I'm not talking about Vick. I'm talking about Mcnair.

[GreatBronco16]

Vick is a good scrambler and that is it. He can't throw to save his life. Until he can do something more than just run the ball, he is not top 10. Look at what happens when his running gets shut down. IE the Chiefs game against him last year. You stop Vick from running, then you kill the Falcons.

Denver couldn't win without Plummer in his first year(1 win without him I think) Plummer has like an 80% winning % here in Denver. Does that make him top 10? No. Wins are more of a team stat. Just like in baseball, you can't really judge a pitcher by his wins. Same with a QB

[Atlas]

Denver couldn't win without Plummer in his first year(1 win without him I think) Plummer has like an 80% winning % here in Denver. Does that make him top 10? No. Wins are more of a team stat. Just like in baseball, you can't really judge a pitcher by his wins. Same with a QB

Did you ever think that maybe Denver doesn't win without Plummer might be because Denver's backups suck??

[TheReverend]

I would Plummer in the top 10 before I would ever think of putting Vick in there.

Warner and Bulger? rofl

Warner is still a very good QB despite being a "setting sun" like Favre. Watch Kurt this year when he has some protection.

Bulger... wellllllllllllllllll I kinda ran out of good QBs. Brees has 1 good season and so does Big Ben so I didnt think that earned a spot.

Brooks sucks,
Boller blows,
Grossman is a band-aid,
Harrington needs to do something,
Carr's in the same boat,
Collins is a joke short distance,
Trent's a product of protection,
Bledsoe might produce but can't say yet,
JP Losman?,
Carson Palmer looks like he's sky rocketing up but too close to call yet,
Griese... dont need to say anymore,
Pennington has one good shoulder and its the wrong one,
Gus Frerotte starting?,
Patrick Ramsey doesnt even have his own coaches confidence!
Eli might be very good some day, but not yet,
Matt Hasselbeck I like, he just needs some people to catch,
...AND I just have a personal dislike for Tom Brady and Steve McNair

[Jason in LA]

How can you agree with me on Brady and then say that about McNair/Volek? Half the Titans were on the IR!


What does one have to do with the other? I don't have to agree with your entire list. Like Warner. Where did that come from? Oh yeah, from the Deltha O'Neal fan. ;D

McNair is a proven winner. There is no question about that. Where would the Titans be without him? Maybe last place. With him as the QB they've been to two AFC Championship games and one Super Bowl. They nearly went to a 3rd AFC Championship game when the almost beat the Pats two years ago. They lost by a FG. They've been to the playoffs four times under him, and have seaons of 13, 13, 12, and 11 wins.

Volek had a few good games. So what. Lets see him do that over a few years, and lead his team to the playoffs at the sametime. Instead of a last place finish.

[rbackfactory80]

Billy Volek and yes he smoked McNair... I still chafe over that co-MVP bullsh!t. That was peytons trophy.

Dude get smart, he smoked Mcnair. I turned a blind eye to the Mike Anderson stuff but Mcnair is a great QB/leader. I would take that warrior on my team anyday.

[Jason in LA]

Warner has sucked ass for years. He's past done.

If there was some type of rating system for QBs, that measured passing skills, arm strength, running ability, playmaking ability, and some other things, like leadership, Vick would rate higher than most QBs. Even though he would rate low in passing skills, he'd rate damn near 100 in arm strength, running ability, play making ability, and leadership. A guy like Trent Green would blow Vick away in passing skills. But when you total all the numbers up, Vick would score higher. Vick would score higher than most QBs. You can have the Trent Green's of the world. Great stats. But where are the wins? Give me the winner any day.

Plummer doesn't have a 80% winning percentage with the Broncos. If he did the Broncos would have had a couple of home games in the playoffs.

[rbackfactory80]

Warner and bulger, they are both jokes. Here is the real list.

Brady
Manning
Mcnabb
Healthy McNair
Mike Vick Because yes he does most of the time get the win
Pennington smart accurate passer
Farve
Culpepper
Carson Palmer, yes I did say that, he will have a great year
Aaron Brooks, has all the tools, just needs to become a leader and get his head out of his ass

[REB]

Don't ya think right now ya have to put Manning 1st? Whether ya like it or not? I think he's just getting started.

REB

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!!

[SoCalBronco]

My Top 15


1. Manning
2. Brady
3. McNabb
4. Favre
5. Mexico
6. Delhomme
7. Culpepper
8. Pennington
9. Griese
10. Roethlisburger
11. Hasselbeck
12. Green
13. Bulger
14. Palmer
15. Plummer

Close to cracking the list: Carr, Brees (has to show more than 1 yr.).

[rbackfactory80]

Don't ya think right now ya have to put Manning 1st? Whether ya like it or not? I think he's just getting started.

REB

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!!

If the question was best regular season QB he would be there.

[rbackfactory80]

My Top 15


1. Manning
2. Brady
3. McNabb
4. Favre
5. Mexico
6. Delhomme
7. Culpepper
8. Pennington
9. Griese
10. Roethlisburger
11. Hasselbeck
12. Green
13. Bulger
14. Palmer
15. Plummer

Griese huh?

[gunns]

I didn't make any lists.

I'm not talking about Vick. I'm talking about Mcnair.

I know, and I wasn't addressing you, but that seems to be the consensus on why McNair shouldn't be on Qb lists. If so then Vick shouldn't. And with what Jason posted, McNair does the same for his team. He was just fortunate to have a better backup when he was out.

[SoCalBronco]

Griese huh?

Easily.

[Spider]

Top ten ...........
1. Brady .... 3 rings , he manages a game well . ok he manages a Game better then anyone else .....
2. Farve .....Old School Gun slinger ......
3. Cullpepper .Small hands , but he has a cannon
4. David Carr .Tough athletic touch , can bomb ..... he gets a real team look out
5. Manning ..... Nothing needs to be said
6. Vick ....... Ok but find me better ....
7. McNair . he gets a team look out ...
8.Arron Brooks . I know erratic , but if he ever settles down he will be a good one ....
9. NcNabb ...... same as Arron Brooks .
10. Jake Plummer .... **** you I am a Broncos Homer ... nuff said

[ak1971]

Top ten ...........
1. Brady .... 3 rings , he manages a game well . ok he manages a Game better then anyone else .....
2. Farve .....Old School Gun slinger ......
3. Cullpepper .Small hands , but he has a cannon
4. David Carr .Tough athletic touch , can bomb ..... he gets a real team look out
5. Manning ..... Nothing needs to be said
6. Vick ....... Ok but find me better ....
7. McNair . he gets a team look out ...
8.Arron Brooks . I know erratic , but if he ever settles down he will be a good one ....
9. NcNabb ...... same as Arron Brooks .
10. Jake Plummer .... **** you I am a Broncos Homer ... nuff said

I think Plummers days are numbered

[REB]

1. Brady .... 3 rings , he manages a game well . ok he manages a Game better then anyone else .....
2. Farve .....Old School Gun slinger ......
3. Cullpepper .Small hands , but he has a cannon
4. David Carr .Tough athletic touch , can bomb ..... he gets a real team look out
5. Manning ..... Nothing needs to be said
6. Vick ....... Ok but find me better ....
7. McNair . he gets a team look out ...
8.Arron Brooks . I know erratic , but if he ever settles down he will be a good one ....
9. NcNabb ...... same as Arron Brooks .


If we could have anyone of these which would ya choose?

I think I would go with Vick. I think he's still young enough that Shanny would settle him down and have him produce big time in our system. just a thought.....

REB

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!!

[Spider]

I think Plummers days are numbered
Plummer is Plummer ...... He had a good year last year , but he will screw up also , we knew this when we brought him in , Nothing Jake has done has suprised us , or shocked us ..... Jake needs to settle down ...... But what Jake needs more is a dominating TE .......

[Spider]

1. Brady .... 3 rings , he manages a game well . ok he manages a Game better then anyone else .....
2. Farve .....Old School Gun slinger ......
3. Cullpepper .Small hands , but he has a cannon
4. David Carr .Tough athletic touch , can bomb ..... he gets a real team look out
5. Manning ..... Nothing needs to be said
6. Vick ....... Ok but find me better ....
7. McNair . he gets a team look out ...
8.Arron Brooks . I know erratic , but if he ever settles down he will be a good one ....
9. NcNabb ...... same as Arron Brooks .


If we could have anyone of these which would ya choose?

I think I would go with Vick. I think he's still young enough that Shanny would settle him down and have him produce big time in our system. just a thought.....

REB

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!!
My Pick ;D .... I would lean to Carr , McNair if I couldnt get Carr .... I would like to have Vick , but he is on a Mission to see how many times he can get hurt in a season ;D ....
But Yeah Vick would be Solid

[ak1971]

We shall see... I really dont want to say a good word about Brad, but I think He might be the man. Jake will be the man this year, but....

[RhymesayersDU]

Props to Spider for giving David Carr some love. He is a good QB.

My list:
1) Brady
2) Manning
3) McNabb
4) Vick
5) Favre
6) McNair
7) Roethlisburger
8) Culpepper
9) Pennington
10) Carr

Rounding out the top half in the league, in no order: Hasselbeck, Plummer, Green, Palmer, Delhomme

[Spider]

We shall see... I really dont want to say a good word about Brad, but I think He might be the man. Jake will be the man this year, but....
BVP could very well be , as a Wyomig Cowboys fan , I dont have much good to say about BVP , but I will say the kid plays the game the way the Game was meant to be played , Hard Nosed win at all cost , get in his way he kicks your ass ..... Tough kid , I wouldnt rule him out by any means

[REB]

"would lean to Carr , McNair if I couldnt get Carr "

We wouldn't want McNair now. Too old. Carr could be a good choice but I still say if we had Vick Mike would mold him into a real elite QB. It would be hard to stop our offense. Think about it...

REB

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!!

[Spider]

"would lean to Carr , McNair if I couldnt get Carr "

We wouldn't want McNair now. Too old. Carr could be a good choice but I still say if we had Vick Mike would mold him into a real elite QB. It would be hard to stop our offense. Think about it...

REB

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!!
Oh that it would I am not downing Vick , he just gets scared feet .... but he would be hell in our offense

[REB]

he would be hell in our offense

That's what I'm thinkin'. Imagine the opposing D-coordinator planning to stop our run and stopping Vick at the same time. Good God. I wouldn't want that job.

REB

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!!

[GreatBronco16]

Plummer doesn't have a 80% winning percentage with the Broncos. If he did the Broncos would have had a couple of home games in the playoffs.


Plummer is 19-8 as a starter with Denver, not including playoffs. Vick is 22-9 as a starter in Atlanta, not including playoffs. Not sure how you get their winning % from that, but I would think they would be very close to one another. That is also with Vick having a year advantage over Plummer. Granted he was hurt for most of one season, he still got like 3 wins that year that Plummer wasn't a Bronco. So take that away and he is yep, 19-8 as a starter. Hmmmmm, yeah, give me the winner too.

[GreatBronco16]

Did you ever think that maybe Denver doesn't win without Plummer might be because Denver's backups suck??


Atlanta doesn't have good backups either, so could that be why they lose when Vick doesn't play? Could be.

[REB]

Rod Smith, Lelie and Watts with 1000 yds each and 30 TD's at least cuz there's 8-9 in the box......I gotta go now, I don't wanna get my keyboard sticky.... :)

REB

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!!

[Spider]

That's what I'm thinkin'. Imagine the opposing D-coordinator planning to stop our run and stopping Vick at the same time. Good God. I wouldn't want that job.

REB

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!!
Handfull of Mikes can handle that Job and 1 is in the AFC west , and he is not realy a Mike ..... Chargers Donnie Edwards .....

[Spider]

In Fact I think a 3-4 D would be the D to use ....

[Spider]

Plummer is 19-8 as a starter with Denver, not including playoffs. Vick is 22-9 as a starter in Atlanta, not including playoffs. Not sure how you get their winning % from that, but I would think they would be very close to one another. That is also with Vick having a year advantage over Plummer. Granted he was hurt for most of one season, he still got like 3 wins that year that Plummer wasn't a Bronco. So take that away and he is yep, 19-8 as a starter. Hmmmmm, yeah, give me the winner too.
hmmmm good research . I wasnt aware of this ..... I do look at playing Styles though and Plummer and Vick are close with Vick having the stronger arm , I wouldnt worry about Vick being a left hander , Shanny handled Young and Young was a lefty also ......

[GreatBronco16]

hmmmm good research . I wasnt aware of this ..... I do look at playing Styles though and Plummer and Vick are close with Vick having the stronger arm , I wouldnt worry about Vick being a left hander , Shanny handled Young and Young was a lefty also ......


Vick is also faster and more elusive than Plummer. Now Imagine if Vick could pass like Plummer? Imagine Vick getting 20+TDs a year. Then and only then will Vick be a great QB. Till then he is a great scrambling mediocre QB.

Also, wins are a team stat, not a QB stat. Unless that QB scores every single TD.

[Spider]

Vick is also faster and more elusive than Plummer. Now Imagine if Vick could pass like Plummer? Imagine Vick getting 20+TDs a year. Then and only then will Vick be a great QB. Till then he is a great scrambling mediocre QB.
with the right coaching Vick could be .. but you are right ....

Also, wins are a team stat, not a QB stat. Unless that QB scores every single TD.
Granted but a QB does control the offense , and both Denver and Atlanta have up and down defenses , Then we get into the running game , both teams did well here , so thats a wash . Wide outs etc ..... so a winning % like these 2 have says somthing about their Skill ....

[GreatBronco16]

with the right coaching Vick could be .. but you are right ....


Granted but a QB does control the offense , and both Denver and Atlanta have up and down defenses , Then we get into the running game , both teams did well here , so thats a wash . Wide outs etc ..... so a winning % like these 2 have says somthing about their Skill ....


I still don't account wins to define a QB. The same way I don't use wins to define a pitcher in baseball. There are way too many factors involved. Wins and losses are about the only stat that the team as a whole gets. I look at the individual stats to make my determination of a single player.
But yeah, Vick and Plummer do account for the wins and losses a little more than any other single player on their teams.

But what if Elam makes the FG in the snow game last year? There's another win. What if Watts doesn't drop that pass in the endzone? There might be another win for Plummer. Just way too many factors.

Wins and losses would be the last stat I would use to compare single players(QBs)

[Spider]

I still don't account wins to define a QB. The same way I don't use wins to define a pitcher in baseball. There are way too many factors involved. Wins and losses are about the only stat that the team as a whole gets. I look at the individual stats to make my determination of a single player.
But yeah, Vick and Plummer do account for the wins and losses a little more than any other single player on their teams. And you shouldnt , but wins is a good measuring stick to see where your QB is .......

But what if Elam makes the FG in the snow game last year? There's another win. What if Watts doesn't drop that pass in the endzone? There might be another win for Plummer. Just way too many factors.
agreed , But they average out like bad calls from Refs , you get some , the other guy gets some , But if your QB cant manage a game , you are screwed .....

Wins and losses would be the last stat I would use to compare single players(QBs)
Ha! Like I said it is a measuring stick , you have to look at everything , win loss is a damn good place to start .... Take a look at my top ten list , I have Carr on there , he hasnt won Shít , then you move on to your next Stat . 3 rd downs conversions .And so on , then watch film on him ...... But for a Message baord kinda hard to watch film .....

[Daddy T]

I think you forgot "someone". ;D

Forgot 2. Plummer at 6 is nuts.

[Rausch]

What a tough question.

I'd say there are more good QB's than there have been in a very long time, but also very few great one's...

[DrFate]

You can't even mention Vick in this discussion. He is a below average quarterback.

1 Manning
2 Culpepper
3 Brady

[Spider]

You can't even mention Vick in this discussion. He is a below average quarterback.

1 Manning
2 Culpepper
3 Brady
and to think the NFL is missing your scouting talent ......

[Sir Mawn]

What a tough question.

I'd say there are more good QB's than there have been in a very long time, but also very few great one's...

This is very true.

[Sir Mawn]

You can't even mention Vick in this discussion. He is a below average quarterback.


Vick is a tough issue... He's managed to exploit a "weakness" in NFL defenses: not being able to account for a QB with the elusiveness and speed of a top-flight RB. Yet it's undeniable that this god-given ability is compensating for his lack of throwing talent (he's got a very strong arm but very little accuracy) and his questionable decision making.

So in the end you've got a very effective QB who wins a lot of games not necessarily with the characteristics of the world's prototypical QB. Is he one of the best in the game today?
I say yes but with Vick, your a team with the risk of becoming one-dimensional in an instant.

[Ninjafied]

My Top 15


1. Manning
2. Brady
3. McNabb
4. Favre
5. Mexico
6. Delhomme
7. Culpepper
8. Pennington
9. Griese
10. Roethlisburger
11. Hasselbeck
12. Green
13. Bulger
14. Palmer
15. Plummer

Close to cracking the list: Carr, Brees (has to show more than 1 yr.).
Sorry, but if you could provide me with a brief explanation for # 9. I’m just wondering how you came up with that.
IMO the guy can’t scramble to save his life, has less than average arm strength and is definitely not in any way a team leader.
So what do you think he has that boosts him into the top 10?
Thanks,

[Raiders Rock]

You can't even mention Vick in this discussion. He is a below average quarterback.

1 Manning
2 Culpepper
3 Brady

I was skeptical of Vick as well, but have you noticed how fast his passes travel?

It's like they are a laser beam or something, even the long balls seem to just get there faster.

[Saulbadguy]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

break for air.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[Ninjafied]

It's like they are a laser beam or something, even the long balls seem to just get there faster.

No question about this guy’s strength.
But unfortunately for the Falcon and their fans, “there” usually isn’t where the receiver is.

[Saulbadguy]

1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Favre
4. McNabb
5. Culpepper
6. Brees
7. Green
8. Vick
9. Leftwich
10. Bulger

[-Slap-]

I was highly critical of Bulger's decision making until I saw the ridiculously huge and complex gameplans Martz bogs him down with each week. No wonder the guy is hesitant sometimes, he's forced to assimilate a bunch of worthless garbage that does nothing but feed his coaches' ego.

[Rascal]

Big Ben in the top 10 let alone the top 6? What a freaking joke. Are you guys Waffelites or something?

[Rascal]

My top 10:

Culpepper (his combination of running and passing gives him the edge IMO...plus I hate Manning)
Manning
Brady
McNabb
Favre
Green
Plummer
Bulger
McNair if healthy
Vick

[Jason in LA]

Plummer is 19-8 as a starter with Denver, not including playoffs. Vick is 22-9 as a starter in Atlanta, not including playoffs. Not sure how you get their winning % from that, but I would think they would be very close to one another. That is also with Vick having a year advantage over Plummer. Granted he was hurt for most of one season, he still got like 3 wins that year that Plummer wasn't a Bronco. So take that away and he is yep, 19-8 as a starter. Hmmmmm, yeah, give me the winner too.

My statement was that Vick has won over 80% of his games since high school. The number I heard was 88%. I'm not looking that number up, but I trust the source.

You can't take wins away from the guy. He got them. And Plummer has what, 7-8 years in the league. Vick has only 4, and only two full years as a starter. There is no comparison between the two. Vick is a lot better.

[Mediator12]

1. Manning
2. Culpepper
3. McNabb
4. Brady
5. McNair
6. Delhomme
7. Favre
8. Green
9. Hasselback
10. Palmer

Guys off the list= Pennington (Injury); Vick (QB statistics are Horrible: never thrown for 3k yds let alone 4k, career high 16 TD's, overall 76 QB rating); Collins (Career 73 rating including 74 last year)

Palmer is my breakout guy @ QB this year. He was getting better last year before getting hurt. Plus, he has three legit WR's, a Solid running game, and a year older young OL.

The question was who are the top 10 Qb's and even though Vick is a Great player, IMHO he has horrible QB Skills at this point.

[Raiders Rock]

My statement was that Vick has won over 80% of his games since high school. The number I heard was 88%. I'm not looking that number up, but I trust the source.

You can't take wins away from the guy. He got them. And Plummer has what, 7-8 years in the league. Vick has only 4, and only two full years as a starter. There is no comparison between the two. Vick is a lot better.


Jason you are so correct, when fans of the game like yourself and myself can pull them Homer glasses off and put the kool-aid down we can really discuss some worthwhile topics.

It's refreshing to know that somebody over here does not think that every player on the Broncos team is the best player in the league, same goes for my beloved Raiders.


RR

[Saulbadguy]

Jason you are so correct, when fans of the game like yourself and myself can pull them Homer glasses off and put the kool-aid down we can really discuss some worthwhile topics.

It's refreshing to know that somebody over here does not think that every player on the Broncos team is the best player in the league, same goes for my beloved Raiders.


RR
I'd say the same to the people who don't think Green isn't a Top 10 QB either. Just by looking at his stats and passer ratings for the last few years should be enough to get him a nod. If not top 10 at least top 15.

[Saulbadguy]

BTW, I still think that the "Winning games" stat is bull****. This isn't the MLB, and QB's aren't pitchers. QB's don't win games, a team does. The only place I see that argument used is here on the Orangemane, because its the ONLY stat Jake has going for him with the Broncos. Jake has had a good running game to work with, and a great defense.

[Rascal]

really then why is Brady considered to be on the leagues best when his "stats" say otherwise???

[GreatBronco16]

My statement was that Vick has won over 80% of his games since high school. The number I heard was 88%. I'm not looking that number up, but I trust the source.

You can't take wins away from the guy. He got them. And Plummer has what, 7-8 years in the league. Vick has only 4, and only two full years as a starter. There is no comparison between the two. Vick is a lot better.


I could care less what he did in highschool or college. I only care what one does in the NFL. Also, I wasn't taking away his wins, I only used it to show a similarity between the two. Also, if you want to include his years in Arizona, then yes Vick has a much better winning %. But like I said, wins and losses are more of a team stat. Plummer has more att. more completions, more yards, more TDs, a better completion%. Vick is the best running QB in the league. He can run, yes, other than that, he sucks at everything else that a QB is suppose to do.

We can just agree to disagree. Right now, vick would not be in my top 10. Top 15 maybe.

[Priest Dante]

Best in the NFL:Manning(one of the all time best and fun to watch if he isn't playing against a team you support)

Other 1st tier QBs:
Mcnabb
Green( best QB without great WRs)
Brady
McNair

Then we have these:
Brees ( I don't think it was a fluke)
Favre( for old times sake)
Roethlisburger( excellent rookie season)
Vick( seems like a solid number 9)
Cullpepper( won't be the same without Moss)

[Mediator12]

It is amazing how much people have bought into the Michael Vick experience. His QB numbers are HORRIBLE:


At Com % Yds Av TD INT RAT
512 955 53.6 6619 6.9 36 26 76.9

It is all about the running game with Vick.

[Saulbadguy]

It is amazing how much people have bought into the Michael Vick experience. His QB numbers are HORRIBLE:


At Com % Yds Av TD INT RAT
512 955 53.6 6619 6.9 36 26 76.9

It is all about the running game with Vick.
Agreed, but his running game, and his ability to make a defense gameplan for him can not be overlooked. His passing game will only get better IMO. 2003 he didn't play much, 2004 he had to learn a new offense. He has a cannon for an arm, and he is still fairly young.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

It is amazing how much people have bought into the Michael Vick experience. His QB numbers are HORRIBLE:


At Com % Yds Av TD INT RAT
512 955 53.6 6619 6.9 36 26 76.9

It is all about the running game with Vick.
Yeah, Favre and Vick both don't make my list. Favre is giving away far too many games these days with his 'fling it up and hope my guy catches it' BS.

Remembering that this isn't a fantasy football list but who are actually the best QBs.

1) Brady
2) Manning
3) McNabb
4) Culpepper
5) Green
6) Delhomme
7) Palmer
8) Roethlisberger
9) Hasselbeck
10) Carr

[Saulbadguy]

really then why is Brady considered to be on the leagues best when his "stats" say otherwise???
A) He's consistent. His passer rating has always been in the mid 80's, and this year in the 90's.
B) He has ice in his veins when it comes to the big games, and clutch situations.
C) Great game manager

[Saulbadguy]

Yeah, Favre and Vick both don't make my list. Favre is giving away far too many games these days with his 'fling it up and hope my guy catches it' BS.

Remembering that this isn't a fantasy football list but who are actually the best QBs.

1) Brady
2) Manning
3) McNabb
4) Culpepper
5) Green
6) Delhomme
7) Palmer
8) Roethlisberger
9) Hasselbeck
10) Carr

Pretty good list. I think Manning should be #1 no matter what though. I wouldn't include Roethlisberger either, not even in my top 15.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Pretty good list. I think Manning should be #1 no matter what though. I wouldn't include Roethlisberger either, not even in my top 15.
Big Ben showed me the poise of a seasoned veteran last year. Great throws when moving, rocket throws when needed and great touch to top it all off.
Brady is the best in the game when it comes to winning big games. There is no one better.

[DBroncos4life]

Palmer has too good of a team around him not to get some love here. You could make a strong case for quite a few QB's here as well. I agree with the poster that talked about McNair. He is just one year removed from his MVP year. Jake Delhomme has the enough weapons around him to make me think that 4000 yards and 30 plus TDs could happen as well. Then there are the guys that alway get love. Manning and Culpepper lead the group stat wise. really it depends on what you are looking for. Stats or leaders. Stats are easy to decided but the guys that are the best leaders would be harder.

[DrFate]

I was skeptical of Vick as well, but have you noticed how fast his passes travel?

It's like they are a laser beam or something, even the long balls seem to just get there faster.

Amazing talent (speed, arm strength)

But it takes more than physical talent - he isn't accurate enough and doesn't seem to make decisions well.

[sirhcyennek81]

Vick thinks run first, eventally, he wont be able to take off on 65 yard runs. I dont blame a lack of talent at atlanta's wr spots as the reason their passing game was horrible. Vick is not accurate, has spotty decision making and is probably thinking, if i run this, this will be on espn.