Oh Damn - Need a solution...... Fast!!

[baja]

Well this sucks I bought a HD LCD and a HD TiVo and it will not work in Mexico because of being on the far edge of the signal footprint.

Any of you teckies have an idea???

[OrangeShadow]

call customer service?

[RhymesayersDU]

Move?

[baja]

call customer service?

Great idea i would do that if DTV were legal in Mexico.

[baja]

Move?

Go watch a BB game

[RhymesayersDU]

Right after O'Reilly!

[DBroncos4life]

Did you know this before you bought all that stuff?

[DBroncos4life]

I don't know maybe find a signal booster.

http://tampa.craigslist.org/ele/84289495.html

I really don't know if this is anywhere near what you need or anything but I thought I would try :(

[DBroncos4life]

how about this???

http://www.ambientweather.com/dbhdtva.html

[baja]

Right I spent 3 grand on something I knew would not work, the regular one satellite system I have now has worked for years so I thought the 3 sat. system would do the same.

[baja]

It's doable D but I would need to spend 6 grand for three six foot dishes and expensive switches.

[scorpio]

Heheheh, I used to work customer service for Echostar/DISH Network. It really pisses them off when people outside the lower 48 try to fool them into getting service (I guess because it's illegal, but I don't think DISH can be held liable. Or maybe they can. Who knows.). Their customer service agents make a game out of trying to bust people so they can kill their signal.

So, just out of curiosity, how did you do it? Just tell them you were in SoCal? Get a P.O. Box in San Diego? Did you have a hard time trying to find the satellites without the right zip code info? For some reason Mexicans seem to be a lot smarter about it than Canadians.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Heheheh, I used to work customer service for Echostar/DISH Network. It really pisses them off when people outside the lower 48 try to fool them into getting service (I guess because it's illegal, but I don't think DISH can be held liable. Or maybe they can. Who knows.). Their customer service agents make a game out of trying to bust people so they can kill their signal.

So, just out of curiosity, how did you do it? Just tell them you were in SoCal? Get a P.O. Box in San Diego? Did you have a hard time trying to find the satellites without the right zip code info? For some reason Mexicans seem to be a lot smarter about it than Canadians.
So how do they advertise DTV for these homes that are for sale in Panama and Costa Rica I see?

[scorpio]

So how do they advertise DTV for these homes that are for sale in Panama and Costa Rica I see?

Hell if I know. By DTV do you mean DirecTV? I know other countries have their own satellite companies, but they are generally very expensive have a really crappy selection, which is why foreigners will go to such great lengths to get American satellite.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Hell if I know. By DTV do you mean DirecTV? I know other countries have their own satellite companies, but they are generally very expensive have a really crappy selection, which is why foreigners will go to such great lengths to get American satellite.
Yeah they advertise Direct TV with the same channels. I actually found the DTV satellite manually when I lived in Durango, Colo. but I seen where the neighbor who lived down the road satellite's was pointing.

[scorpio]

It's pretty easy to find satellites. I believe there's only one "belt" in orbit that commercial tv satellites are allowed to use, and in the continental US it always appears in the south-by-southwest sky.

[Rock Chalk]

Well this sucks I bought a HD LCD and a HD TiVo and it will not work in Mexico because of being on the far edge of the signal footprint.

Any of you teckies have an idea???
Move back to America.

[ScottXray]

Well this sucks I bought a HD LCD and a HD TiVo and it will not work in Mexico because of being on the far edge of the signal footprint.

Any of you teckies have an idea???

Baja,

IF it's just that you aren't getting enough signal to pull in the birds and LOCK then you can just put in a bigger Dish. Of course if DTV is on to your location then all bets are off.
.

check these out:

http://skyvision.com/store/dishes.html

These dishes are typically bought when someone has some partial obstruction of DTV signal or someone just doesn't want to put up with rain fade.

Now, of course,if You're using the triple dish you'd need three of them.

The 85CM dish would probably work, as long as you aren't totally out of the footprint, and we're not talking too much even buying three. Order one and see if you can get ONE bird in (101). The 85CM dish will give you about 6-7 times the signal you get with the triple, but only on one satellite.

Also the switch on the back of the current triple dish, and the Lnb's in front (three round things) will work on these dishes also. You just need to 'extend' the coax cables that go from the switch (box in back) to the LNB's. the three satellites are at 101, 110 and 119 degrees. On the triple dish the right hand lnb (if you are looking at it from behind the dish) is picking up the 101 satellite, and the left hand one is picking up 119. 110 is obviously the center bird.
Of course the aiming routine won't be accurate as far as the three dishes go. There will be no skew for tilting side to side.. Use the values it gives you for the AZimuth and elevation (vertical angle) for the center (110) bird. Use the same values + and - 9 degrees azimuth for 101 and 119.

Good luck.

A DTV tivo is a terrible thing to waste. :wiggle:

[watermock]

Yeah, I was going to say a bigger dish, but I don't know which one's of these are HDTV or what they cost.

[delany]

A DTV tivo is a terrible thing to waste. :wiggle:

A HD DTV Tivo is an even worse thing to waste.

[Rausch]

Well this sucks I bought a HD LCD and a HD TiVo and it will not work in Mexico because of being on the far edge of the signal footprint.

"You got bigger problems than I can help you with..."

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[baja]

Baja,

IF it's just that you aren't getting enough signal to pull in the birds and LOCK then you can just put in a bigger Dish. Of course if DTV is on to your location then all bets are off.
.

check these out:

http://skyvision.com/store/dishes.html

These dishes are typically bought when someone has some partial obstruction of DTV signal or someone just doesn't want to put up with rain fade.

Now, of course,if You're using the triple dish you'd need three of them.

The 85CM dish would probably work, as long as you aren't totally out of the footprint, and we're not talking too much even buying three. Order one and see if you can get ONE bird in (101). The 85CM dish will give you about 6-7 times the signal you get with the triple, but only on one satellite.

Also the switch on the back of the current triple dish, and the Lnb's in front (three round things) will work on these dishes also. You just need to 'extend' the coax cables that go from the switch (box in back) to the LNB's. the three satellites are at 101, 110 and 119 degrees. On the triple dish the right hand lnb (if you are looking at it from behind the dish) is picking up the 101 satellite, and the left hand one is picking up 119. 110 is obviously the center bird.
Of course the aiming routine won't be accurate as far as the three dishes go. There will be no skew for tilting side to side.. Use the values it gives you for the AZimuth and elevation (vertical angle) for the center (110) bird. Use the same values + and - 9 degrees azimuth for 101 and 119.

Good luck.

A DTV tivo is a terrible thing to waste. :wiggle:

Thanks all and especially you Scott

One question Scott how do I run the six cables from the three dishs into the two inlets on the HD TiVo?

[ScottXray]

Thanks all and especially you Scott

One question Scott how do I run the six cables from the three dishs into the two inlets on the HD TiVo?

OK, back up a second. You said you had a triple dish (oval HD dish) right?

With that dish you should have received a box that (normally) all six cables from the dish go to. The box is called a multiswitch. I usually mount the box right on the back side of the dish itself.

Since you'll have three dishes , you'll want to mount the multiswitch box near or on the dish that ends up CLOSEST to where the feed to the house is.

Coming OUT of that box will be the two cables for the HD TIVO (or maybe more...it depends on the multiswitch box you recieved and how many receivers you got when you bought your system. Heres a link to a multiswitch that takes the three LNBs in and feeds it to as many as 8 different receivers.)
http://www.rapidsatellite.com/detail.aspx?ID=61

Note that the HD Tivo will take two cables because it has TWO tuners in it. You need ONE cable for each tuner. So the Tivo and one OTHER receiver would need three cables from the multiswitch to the house.

If you need to get cable to run to the dishes make sure it is RG6U cable. Buy the best cable you can , because it has a huge effect on signal loss.

Also, make sure you ground the Dishes. The ground SHOULD go back to House ground, but being in Mexico I don't know if you'll have a ground stake.
So make sure that a ground is run from the multiswitch to the same ground that the Tivo is on, at least.

Good luck. :juggle:

[scorpio]

OK, back up a second. You said you had a triple dish (oval HD dish) right?

With that dish you should have received a box that (normally) all six cables from the dish go to. The box is called a multiswitch. I usually mount the box right on the back side of the dish itself.

Since you'll have three dishes , you'll want to mount the multiswitch box near or on the dish that ends up CLOSEST to where the feed to the house is.

Coming OUT of that box will be the two cables for the HD TIVO (or maybe more...it depends on the multiswitch box you recieved and how many receivers you got when you bought your system. Heres a link to a multiswitch that takes the three LNBs in and feeds it to as many as 8 different receivers.)
http://www.rapidsatellite.com/detail.aspx?ID=61

Note that the HD Tivo will take two cables because it has TWO tuners in it. You need ONE cable for each tuner. So the Tivo and one OTHER receiver would need three cables from the multiswitch to the house.

If you need to get cable to run to the dishes make sure it is RG6U cable. Buy the best cable you can , because it has a huge effect on signal loss.

Also, make sure you ground the Dishes. The ground SHOULD go back to House ground, but being in Mexico I don't know if you'll have a ground stake.
So make sure that a ground is run from the multiswitch to the same ground that the Tivo is on, at least.

Good luck. :juggle:

Good advice. This guy knows what he's talking about.

[Raiders Rock]

Well this sucks I bought a HD LCD and a HD TiVo and it will not work in Mexico because of being on the far edge of the signal footprint.

Any of you teckies have an idea???

Larger dish is your only answer.

The larger the surface the more the signal will be recieved, I have seen these larger ones before but don't know where.

[Raiders Rock]

Oh crap, this dude is in Mexico and is trying to yet again steal another American service.

Shame on you man, can't we have anything here without some foreign country trying to take it away?

[ScottXray]

Oh crap, this dude is in Mexico and is trying to yet again steal another American service.

Shame on you man, can't we have anything here without some foreign country trying to take it away?

I don't think he's stealing the service...he's paying for it ...he just lives down in Baja and wants to watch Broncos TV (NFL ticket).
The days of pirating signal are pretty much gone...Directv has so many countermeasures its a fools game to try to steal it anymore. :hitself:

[delany]

I don't think he's stealing the service...he's paying for it ...he just lives down in Baja and wants to watch Broncos TV (NFL ticket).
The days of pirating signal are pretty much gone...Directv has so many countermeasures its a fools game to try to steal it anymore. :hitself:


Just as an aside question Scott.

If one was to overlook any moral issues.

Why couldn't someone put 10 or so Directv receivers on one 'Uber' Account. Pay for the Sunday ticket...and then have the 10 recievers all at different residences?

In other words. Can't you spread out the total cost of Directv and the Ticket if you were to do something like this with friends/family?

Can Directv tell if you have active receivers in different locations provided they aren't hooked up to a phone line?

Inquiring minds and all.....

[baja]

Oh crap, this dude is in Mexico and is trying to yet again steal another American service.

Shame on you man, can't we have anything here without some foreign country trying to take it away?

My Direct TV bill is over $100, a fee I have been paying for over ten years now I believe. My problem is signal but you would know that if you could comprehend what you read.

[Raiders Rock]

Just as an aside question Scott.

If one was to overlook any moral issues.

Why couldn't someone put 10 or so Directv receivers on one 'Uber' Account. Pay for the Sunday ticket...and then have the 10 recievers all at different residences?

In other words. Can't you spread out the total cost of Directv and the Ticket if you were to do something like this with friends/family?

Can Directv tell if you have active receivers in different locations provided they aren't hooked up to a phone line?

Inquiring minds and all.....


My recievers haven't made a call in 400+ days and they still work fine. Alot of Truckdrivers and RVer's take their box with them on the road and DTV knows this.

That call in deal is to give the PPV info that you have used to DTV, DTV has no idea what you watch on PPV until that reciever phones home.

Now back in the day, people could watch 25 ppv movies (before the card filled up) then just toss the reciever and tell DTV the reciever was damaged and replaced no questions asked.

I don't watch PPV's and I don't know if their new system will force you to call in after X number of days if you order a PPV.

Just remember though, if you have ordered a bunch of PPV and never got a bill and you hook up that phone line, you are gonna get the bill from hell when it does upload all that info to the DTV computers.

Oh and yes, you and your neighbor can split DTV costs very easily, as long as you trust the guy won't rack up 500 dollars worth of porn on you.

RR

[baja]

OK, back up a second. You said you had a triple dish (oval HD dish) right?

With that dish you should have received a box that (normally) all six cables from the dish go to. The box is called a multiswitch. I usually mount the box right on the back side of the dish itself.

Since you'll have three dishes , you'll want to mount the multiswitch box near or on the dish that ends up CLOSEST to where the feed to the house is.

Coming OUT of that box will be the two cables for the HD TIVO (or maybe more...it depends on the multiswitch box you recieved and how many receivers you got when you bought your system. Heres a link to a multiswitch that takes the three LNBs in and feeds it to as many as 8 different receivers.)
http://www.rapidsatellite.com/detail.aspx?ID=61

Note that the HD Tivo will take two cables because it has TWO tuners in it. You need ONE cable for each tuner. So the Tivo and one OTHER receiver would need three cables from the multiswitch to the house.

If you need to get cable to run to the dishes make sure it is RG6U cable. Buy the best cable you can , because it has a huge effect on signal loss.

Also, make sure you ground the Dishes. The ground SHOULD go back to House ground, but being in Mexico I don't know if you'll have a ground stake.
So make sure that a ground is run from the multiswitch to the same ground that the Tivo is on, at least.

Good luck. :juggle:

On a single dish the switching takes place inside the triple LNB, if I have three seperate dishs I will need three single LNBs thus the switching problem, Scott.

BTW Thank you for your offfered help

[Raiders Rock]

My Direct TV bill is over $100, a fee I have been paying for over ten years now I believe. My problem is signal but you would know that if you could comprehend what you read.

Don't matter how much your bill is young man, if you are in Mexico and you are recieving DTV you are doing so illegally.

Now the USA can't prosecute you but Mexico can if they wanted to.


If someone in the USA is posing as a false address for you to obtain service then that is a FELONY and they Can be prosecuted under USA law.

Not that I would turn you in or anything but a FELONY on a loved one is a large price to pay for TV


RR

[baja]

Don't matter how much your bill is young man, if you are in Mexico and you are recieving DTV you are doing so illegally.

Now the USA can't prosecute you but Mexico can if they wanted to.


If someone in the USA is posing as a false address for you to obtain service then that is a FELONY and they Can be prosecuted under USA law.

Not that I would turn you in or anything but a FELONY on a loved one is a large price to pay for TV


RR

Than you will have to lock up half of Cabo.

DTV gets its money I get my TV seens fair to me.

It's against the law in some states to share a hotal room with someone of the opposite sex that you are not married to is that a law that is commonly obayed. No harm no foul.

[Raiders Rock]

Than you will have to lock up half of Cabo.

DTV gets its money I get my TV seens fair to me.

It's against the law in some states to share a hotal room with someone of the opposite sex that you are not married to is that a law that is commonly obayed. No harm no foul.

Baja, they are not going to lock anyone up in Mexico because it is only illegal if Mexico thinks that signal is stealing from the local market, I don't know the laws there.

But I do know, it is a felony if you have someone at an address in the states recieving your DTV bill for you.

As I said, that is your business, I would probably do it myself to get decent tv, but there is a risk factor.

RR

[Raiders Rock]

Also when radio waves fall in your yard, and you are smart enough to decrypt them then you should be able to watch it I think.

But thats not what the USA laws say.

RR

[baja]

Baja, they are not going to lock anyone up in Mexico because it is only illegal if Mexico thinks that signal is stealing from the local market, I don't know the laws there.

But I do know, it is a felony if you have someone at an address in the states recieving your DTV bill for you.

As I said, that is your business, I would probably do it myself to get decent tv, but there is a risk factor.

RR

Here's what you don't know, DTV has an RV service all they ask for is an RV registration.

In my case I have both legal services one for my RV and one for my home in the states.

[Raiders Rock]

Here's what you don't know, DTV has an RV service all they ask for is an RV registration.

In my case I have both legal services one for my RV and one for my home in the states.

You are a criminal

[ScottXray]

Just as an aside question Scott.

If one was to overlook any moral issues.

Why couldn't someone put 10 or so Directv receivers on one 'Uber' Account. Pay for the Sunday ticket...and then have the 10 recievers all at different residences?

In other words. Can't you spread out the total cost of Directv and the Ticket if you were to do something like this with friends/family?

Can Directv tell if you have active receivers in different locations provided they aren't hooked up to a phone line?

Inquiring minds and all.....

No reason that I know of that it couldn't work....just depends on DTV and whether they'll sell the suvbscription. I would think 10 would send up a RED flag for the CSR though!
:boxing:

[ScottXray]

On a single dish the switching takes place inside the triple LNB, if I have three seperate dishs I will need three single LNBs thus the switching problem, Scott.

BTW Thank you for your offfered help

Ah..I see. I dropped my subscription to DTV a year ago. (I watch the Denver stations on my BUD). The old oval dish had three separate LNBs, and a multiswitch. I didn't realize it had changed.

Actually a single LNB is a dual (which is why it has two cables out). One horizontal and one vertical polarity, both in the same housing.
Sorry, if the situation doesn't fit the NEW triple dish .

By the way the center satellites LNB was also a special offset frequency, and a standard LNB couldn't be used for it. Not sure , but it might be necessary to buy that type, still, for the 110 bird.

As I said the best thing would be to try ONE dish. Move your current LNB over and see if you get signal on whichever bird you aim at.

Hope I helped..... :juggle:

[ScottXray]

Don't matter how much your bill is young man, if you are in Mexico and you are recieving DTV you are doing so illegally.

Now the USA can't prosecute you but Mexico can if they wanted to.


If someone in the USA is posing as a false address for you to obtain service then that is a FELONY and they Can be prosecuted under USA law.

Not that I would turn you in or anything but a FELONY on a loved one is a large price to pay for TV


RR
In point of fact, Directv isn't interested in where the dish is, as long as they get their full subscription fees. Pirate their signal and they WILL go after you.

(I know from experience of a family member they went after) They had no REAL proof, but the legal fees to defend it would have gone at least 10K, and they WILL prosecute. Ended up costing $3500 in settlement plus a years subscription to the full deal to keep it out of criminal court. And this happened 2 years AFTER he stopped pirating the signal. If you made the mistake of purchasing one of those card programmers via credit card, or they raid some dealer and get their files and your name is on it, with an address they will come knocking.
By the way...the federal law was changed a few years ago, and it is now illegal to even OWN one of those card programmers, or the software that allows you to pirate their signal, unless you can show you have a legitimate business or research use for the equipment. And you have to be able to demonstrate that use. :wiggle:
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