What is it with Denver and this Pit Bull genocide thing?

[BIG DADDY]

I just wanted to hear from people who live there what the talk is around Denver about this BS. Are most people actually for it or is there going to be a backlash against the people who pushed this through? If the people in Denver were to actually vote on this do you think this recent legislation would actually stick?

[Bronx33]

I just wanted to hear from people who live there what the talk is around Denver about this BS. Are most people actually for it or is there going to be a backlash against the people who pushed this through? If the people in Denver were to actually vote on this do you think this recent legislation would actually stick?


I say blue juice the owners.....9 times out of ten the owner is some dimwit obsessed with having a tough dog and are really clueless as how to raise a dog which they shouldn't have in the first place.

[BIG DADDY]

I say blue juice the owners.....9 times out of ten the owner is some dimwit obsessed with having a tough dog and are really clueless as how to raise a dog which they shouldn't have in the first place.

That's kind of a blanket statement don't you think? I have had the breed all my life and know many families that have them. Several of these families have younger children and none of them has ever bitten a human.

MOF dog bites and fatalities from them have not gone up in 30 years. The number has always been about 20 per year. The only thing that has changed has been the breed based upon popularity. Obviously were talking about some irresponsible owners, not a breed of dog. It's the media and politicians that have us believing it's dangerous out there. In reality you are twice as likely to be struck by lightning and killed as you are to die from a dog.

Don't you think we should punish the deed instead of the breed?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

That's kind of a blanket statement don't you think? I have had the breed all my life and know many families that have them. Several of these families have younger children and none of them has ever bitten a human.

MOF dog bites and fatalities from them have not gone up in 30 years. The number has always been about 20 per year. The only thing that has changed has been the breed based upon popularity. Obviously were talking about some irresponsible owners, not a breed of dog. It's the media and politicians that have us believing it's dangerous out there. In reality you are twice as likely to be struck by lightning and killed as you are to die from a dog.

Don't you think we should punish the deed instead of the breed?
Pit Bulls are being outlawed in many communities across the country. The statistics don't lie. They were bred for only one purpose and that is to kill.

[BIG DADDY]

Pit Bulls are being outlawed in many communities across the country. The statistics don't lie. They were bred for only one purpose and that is to kill.

I just gave you the stats. The problem is they are calling all kinds of dogs pit bulls. No breed has ever had to endure stats based upon many breed. BTW they were bred to fight other dogs. 3 people handle the dogs while they are fighting in the pit. If any dog ever shows any human aggression it is killed and that is very, very, very rare. I have raised many of these dogs and have placed over 20 in homes with kids. None has ever bitten anybody.

Here is an interesting article for you, speaking of stats.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/07/03/BAGGMDILA41.DTL&hw=pit+bull&sn=002&sc=598

[BIG DADDY]

I just gave you the stats. Here is an interesting read speaking of stats.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/07/03/BAGGMDILA41.DTL&hw=pit+bull&sn=002&sc=598

[Rock Chalk]

Pit Bulls are being outlawed in many communities across the country. The statistics don't lie. They were bred for only one purpose and that is to kill.
No, pit bulls were bred for one purpose, to bring down bulls and wild boar. Part of the bulldog family, along with Boxers, pit bulls are some of the friendliest dogs on the planet.

There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.

I have seen Golden retreivers bite and really injury people and i have seen pit bulls never even bark.

Its not the breed, its the f*cking owners and when you people quit trying to put it on the dog itself and start making people actually be ACCOUNTABLE for their actions - in this case raising a dog improperly - then maybe the statistics will go down.

[gunns]

Pit Bulls are being outlawed in many communities across the country. The statistics don't lie. They were bred for only one purpose and that is to kill.

If they are bred for one purpose and that is to kill, it's by the owner. I have several friends who have them and they are sweet dogs. My dachshunds are more scary than those dogs. It's the way they are raised and I think that's what Bronx33 was saying. If a dog attacks a human it's because of the way he was raised (unless of course that human is teasing that dog, then I say go get em fido). Go after the person that raised it and no more slaps on the hand.

[Rock Chalk]

I just gave you the stats. The problem is they are calling all kinds of dogs pit bulls. No breed has ever had to endure stats based upon many breed. BTW they were bred to fight other dogs. 3 people handle the dogs while they are fighting in the pit. If any dog ever shows any human aggression it is killed and that is very, very, very rare. I have raised many of these dogs and have placed over 20 in homes with kids. None has ever bitten anybody.

Here is an interesting article for you, speaking of stats.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/07/03/BAGGMDILA41.DTL&hw=pit+bull&sn=002&sc=598
Thats inaccurate, at least why they were originally bred. Like the bulldog and Boxer, the bull terrier was used as a hunting dog to chase down fierce prey like wild boar and wild bulls in Germany and most of Europe.

[Hotrod]

I have a dog thats 1/2 pit. She would rather lick you to death then bite you. Actually you have to be careful with her. When she does something bad dont yell at her in the house she will pee everywhere. It breaks her heart if she thinks your mad at her. Heck I looked at her one night because "someone" knocked over a plant. Just looked at her.... she pee'd. Big lover still thinks shes a lap dog. Of course Im not sure what the other 1/2 is maybe that has something to do with it???

[Saulbadguy]

This should be good.

[BIG DADDY]

No, pit bulls were bred for one purpose, to bring down bulls and wild boar. Part of the bulldog family, along with Boxers, pit bulls are some of the friendliest dogs on the planet.

There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.

I have seen Golden retreivers bite and really injury people and i have seen pit bulls never even bark.

Its not the breed, its the ****ing owners and when you people quit trying to put it on the dog itself and start making people actually be ACCOUNTABLE for their actions - in this case raising a dog improperly - then maybe the statistics will go down.


Thank You.

[Montaq]

There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.


Kujo was a bad dog and don't get me started on Ol' Yeller.

[DarkHorse]

The owners of vicious animals should be held accountable. Until that happens these scumbags are just going to move from breed to breed and train them to be vicious for whatever purpose.

So, how are we going to handle this? Wipe out every single breed down to the jack russell?

Ignorant society - and laws that are even more ludicrous than ever before. Animal genocide isn't the answer to fixing this problem - ACCOUNTABILITY IS YOU FRIGGIN DUMBASS LAWMAKERS. Hold the idiot who trains his dog for aggression responsible - don't murder the animal.

[BIG DADDY]

The owners of vicious animals should be held accountable. Until that happens these scumbags are just going to move from breed to breed and train them to be vicious for whatever purpose.

So, how are we going to handle this? Wipe out every single breed down to the jack russell?

Ignorant society - and laws that are even more ludicrous than ever before. Animal genocide isn't the answer to fixing this problem - ACCOUNTABILITY IS YOU FRIGGIN DUMBASS LAWMAKERS. Hold the idiot who trains his dog for aggression responsible - don't murder the animal.

Denver has slaughtered more than 400 tax paying citizens dogs. They will go right into their house and grab spot to the whaling of young children losing their dog and kill it. To me this is some of the most outrageous legislation I have seen passed. Rotties are next up in Denver from what I was reading. Considering all this I was just curious what the talk was on the streets of Denver.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

If they are bred for one purpose and that is to kill, it's by the owner. I have several friends who have them and they are sweet dogs. My dachshunds are more scary than those dogs. It's the way they are raised and I think that's what Bronx33 was saying. If a dog attacks a human it's because of the way he was raised (unless of course that human is teasing that dog, then I say go get em fido). Go after the person that raised it and no more slaps on the hand.
That's their original breeding.

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Are Pit Bulls that much more dangerous than attack dogs such as Rottweilers & German Shepherd, or is it a case of “no such thing as bad dogs, just bad owners?
BOTH SAYS THE RSPCA. Paul Edwards.
Pit Bulls were breed from Staffordshire Bull Terriers & Bull Mastiffs - Not to guard, or hunt, but to viciously rip other dogs to death in pits while their bloodthirsty owners cheered.
“They can literally sever limbs,� the RSPCAs, Paul Edwards said.
Unlike German Shepherds, which lock their jaws, Pit Bulls move their back molars once they have bitten. Their lower jaw scissors back & forth to sever flesh from the bone.
They are not large dogs, but they have an enormous power-to-weight ratio. Their jaw strength is far greater than any other dog.
(<a href="http://www.edba.org.au/courier.html">CONTINUED</a>)

[Mile High Shack]

That's their original breeding.

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Are Pit Bulls that much more dangerous than attack dogs such as Rottweilers & German Shepherd, or is it a case of “no such thing as bad dogs, just bad owners?
BOTH SAYS THE RSPCA. Paul Edwards.
Pit Bulls were breed from Staffordshire Bull Terriers & Bull Mastiffs - Not to guard, or hunt, but to viciously rip other dogs to death in pits while their bloodthirsty owners cheered.
“They can literally sever limbs,� the RSPCAs, Paul Edwards said.
Unlike German Shepherds, which lock their jaws, Pit Bulls move their back molars once they have bitten. Their lower jaw scissors back & forth to sever flesh from the bone.
They are not large dogs, but they have an enormous power-to-weight ratio. Their jaw strength is far greater than any other dog.
(<a href="http://www.edba.org.au/courier.html">CONTINUED</a>)

I tend to agree with Beerslug

while I don't favor legislation to take dogs from owners........Pit Bulls are nasty dogs who's sole breeding it is to mame and kill.

Sure there are exceptions, but damn, give me a sweet lab any day

[Rascal]

I don't know Shawnee is one mean ass lab.

[BIG DADDY]

I tend to agree with Beerslug

while I don't favor legislation to take dogs from owners........Pit Bulls are nasty dogs who's sole breeding it is to mame and kill.

Sure there are exceptions, but damn, give me a sweet lab any day

HSUS released the top 3 biters in the bay area.

1. German Shepherds
2. Labradors
3. Pit Bulls

Labs like pits are a victim of their own popularity right now. Furthermore Labs haven't had to deal with the scrutiny of having several breeds be refered to as pit bulls including American Bulldogs, Staffs, APBT, and Staff Bull Terriors along with all the mixes.

[BIG DADDY]

That's their original breeding.

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Are Pit Bulls that much more dangerous than attack dogs such as Rottweilers & German Shepherd, or is it a case of “no such thing as bad dogs, just bad owners?
BOTH SAYS THE RSPCA. Paul Edwards.
Pit Bulls were breed from Staffordshire Bull Terriers & Bull Mastiffs - Not to guard, or hunt, but to viciously rip other dogs to death in pits while their bloodthirsty owners cheered.
“They can literally sever limbs,� the RSPCAs, Paul Edwards said.
Unlike German Shepherds, which lock their jaws, Pit Bulls move their back molars once they have bitten. Their lower jaw scissors back & forth to sever flesh from the bone.
They are not large dogs, but they have an enormous power-to-weight ratio. Their jaw strength is far greater than any other dog.
(<a href="http://www.edba.org.au/courier.html">CONTINUED</a>)

This is the worst article I have ever read. First of all their teeth don't scissor that is completely ridiculous and should be an indication of the intentions and knowlege of the person writing it. Secondly they are not a mix of a Staff and Bull Mastiff. How can that be when the staff was created from pits so that the dog show people could show them without getting all the grief. An APBT is a 30lb - 60lb dog which should show you immediatly that the history of the breeding coming form Mastiffs is beyond assinine. The person who wrote this should be shot.

[RaiderH8r]

Pit Bulls are being outlawed in many communities across the country. The statistics don't lie. They were bred for only one purpose and that is to kill.
The stats are BS. What about mitigating factors? Pit bulls can be domesticated. But its bull**** macho types that want a bad ass guard dog. You want protection? Buy a gun. I owned a rottweiler and he was my best friend. Didn't harm a fly and didn't get upset unless he thought me or my mother were in danger. He never bit a single person out of aggression. Raise the dog right and it will be fine. Blue juice the owners is a much better approach. Their fvcked up world view precipitates the problem, not the breed of the dog. These people raise the dog to hate and to be aggressive, I'd be willing to bet these people are also allowed to have children. Fvcking retards ruin the world. The penalties associated with dog fighting have to be stricter. No cap on punishment. If the judge or jury deems the dog guilty the owner should be held responsible to the tune of serious jail time. Beat the dog? Jail time...and none of this out in 6 months sht either.

[Bronx33]

That's kind of a blanket statement don't you think? I have had the breed all my life and know many families that have them. Several of these families have younger children and none of them has ever bitten a human.

MOF dog bites and fatalities from them have not gone up in 30 years. The number has always been about 20 per year. The only thing that has changed has been the breed based upon popularity. Obviously were talking about some irresponsible owners, not a breed of dog. It's the media and politicians that have us believing it's dangerous out there. In reality you are twice as likely to be struck by lightning and killed as you are to die from a dog.

Don't you think we should punish the deed instead of the breed?


That's what i was saying punish the deed.............

[Bronx33]

The stats are BS. What about mitigating factors? Pit bulls can be domesticated. But its bull**** macho types that want a bad ass guard dog. You want protection? Buy a gun. I owned a rottweiler and he was my best friend. Didn't harm a fly and didn't get upset unless he thought me or my mother were in danger. He never bit a single person out of aggression. Raise the dog right and it will be fine. Blue juice the owners is a much better approach. Their fvcked up world view precipitates the problem, not the breed of the dog. These people raise the dog to hate and to be aggressive, I'd be willing to bet these people are also allowed to have children. Fvcking retards ruin the world. The penalties associated with dog fighting have to be stricter. No cap on punishment. If the judge or jury deems the dog guilty the owner should be held responsible to the tune of serious jail time. Beat the dog? Jail time...and none of this out in 6 months sht either.

Ya! what! he said! thanks hater.........

[Bronco_Beerslug]

This is the worst article I have ever read. First of all their teeth don't scissor that is completely ridiculous and should be an indication of the intentions and knowlege of the person writing it. Secondly they are not a mix of a Staff and Bull Mastiff. How can that be when the staff was created from pits so that the dog show people could show them without getting all the grief. An APBT is a 30lb - 60lb dog which should show you immediatly that the history of the breeding coming form Mastiffs is beyond assinine. The person who wrote this should be shot.
Do a little research and you'll see "how that can be" :)

During the mid-1800s, immigration to the United States from Ireland and England brought an influx of these dogs to America, where they were bred to be larger and stockier, working as farm dogs in the West as much as fighting dogs in the cities. The resulting breed, the American Staffordshire Bull Terrier, also called the American Pit Bull Terrier, became known as an "all-American" dog
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

[Popps]

No, pit bulls were bred for one purpose, to bring down bulls and wild boar. Part of the bulldog family, along with Boxers, pit bulls are some of the friendliest dogs on the planet. There are no bad dogs, only bad owners. I have seen Golden retreivers bite and really injury people and i have seen pit bulls never even bark. Its not the breed, its the ****ing owners and when you people quit trying to put it on the dog itself and start making people actually be ACCOUNTABLE for their actions - in this case raising a dog improperly - then maybe the statistics will go down.

Actually, Alec... the preponderance of literature I've read on the breed (Pits) states that they were bred for fighting.. pit-fighting, to be exact. While Pit Bulls may have been used for bull baiting from time to time, their main function was game fighting, and not just fighting... but to the death fighting.

Boxers, on the other hand... were bred for bull baiting and were only used sparingly as fight dogs. Once bull baiting was outlawed, people quickly figured out that Boxers were excellent guard dogs and great for police work. Hence, the breed changed. Pit Bulls continued to be bred as fighters.

Now, before you jump on me... I am a HUGE fan of the breed. (Pits) I own a Boxer, as you know... and a few of her best play-pals are pits. She gets along great with them and there has never been the slightest problem. Pits are much like Boxers in that they're absolutely crazy about people, they love kids, they need a ton of human contact/affection.

I'm actually torn on the issue. I'm a firm believer that for (nearly) every bad dog, there was a bad human somewhere in its past. That said, our society has proven itself to be irresponsible with these matters. If you raise a Irish Setter improperly, it might snap at you. If you raise a Pit improperly, it might kill your neighbor. That's the facts. They have an INSTINCT to finish the job, and an almost super-natural strength/agility.
They're just not like other dogs.

Thankfully, most of a Pit's aggression is towards other dogs. But, with socialization, most can get along with other animals just fine.

It's a very tough question and like most things in life, not totally black and white. Beyond having some kind of a screening for those who choose to own the breed, I couldn't begin to think of a solution.

[Bronx33]

Do a little research and you'll see "how that can be" :)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull



Remember petie?


http://www.famousfoto.com/B413.JPG

[Popps]

Other cities considering ban, as well:
http://www.themoderatevoice.com/posts/1118031678.shtml

Sucks, but there have been two kids mauled, one killed and an adult owner mauled and killed by his own Pits in a matter of a few months. Bad press, indeed.

[Rock Chalk]

Actually, Alec... the preponderance of literature I've read on the breed (Pits) states that they were bred for fighting.. pit-fighting, to be exact. While Pit Bulls may have been used for bull baiting from time to time, their main function was game fighting, and not just fighting... but to the death fighting.

Boxers, on the other hand... were bred for bull baiting and were only used sparingly as fight dogs. Once bull baiting was outlawed, people quickly figured out that Boxers were excellent guard dogs and great for police work. Hence, the breed changed. Pit Bulls continued to be bred as fighters.

Now, before you jump on me... I am a HUGE fan of the breed. (Pits) I own a Boxer, as you know... and a few of her best play-pals are pits. She gets along great with them and there has never been the slightest problem. Pits are much like Boxers in that they're absolutely crazy about people, they love kids, they need a ton of human contact/affection.

I'm actually torn on the issue. I'm a firm believer that for (nearly) every bad dog, there was a bad human somewhere in its past. That said, our society has proven itself to be irresponsible with these matters. If you raise a Irish Setter improperly, it might snap at you. If you raise a Pit improperly, it might kill your neighbor. That's the facts. They have an INSTINCT to finish the job, and an almost super-natural strength/agility.
They're just not like other dogs.

Thankfully, most of a Pit's aggression is towards other dogs. But, with socialization, most can get along with other animals just fine.

It's a very tough question and like most things in life, not totally black and white. Beyond having some kind of a screening for those who choose to own the breed, I couldn't begin to think of a solution.

I was referring to original breeding Popps. After it became an official breed it was bred for pit fighting and hence the nickname "Pit Bull" BUT the original purpose was bull baiting and wild boar hunting. This is pre-Bull Terrier breed when there was little distinction between the Boxer, the Bull Terrier and the English Bulldog.

Since I was referring to the claim that the "original" purpose of the breed was for fighting I wanted to clarify.

German Shephard's are far more viscious of a breed IMO.

[-Slap-]

I love all breeds of dogs. Pit bulls are generally no worse than any other breed, but a vicious pit bull can do a lot more damage than most other breeds. My main complaint with pit bulls is that they are fairly aggressive towards other dogs. Pit bull owners will dispute this because they're feeling persecuted these days, but its a vaild concern.

The other problem is that a certain percentage of the owners are attracted to the dogs because of their tough image. Much the way a lot of guys who are pussies try to act tough by liking the Raiders.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Remember petie?


http://www.famousfoto.com/B413.JPG
I'm probably one of the FEW here that do :)

I don't have anything against Pit Bulls but they are killing more kids and adults than any other dog. Like German Shepherds and Rotties, etc... there really is no place for these dogs in most places in cities (for the most part) besides guarding property. But I'd hate to own a dog just for putting him on a piece of property to guard for the rest of his life.

[BIG DADDY]

Do a little research and you'll see "how that can be" :)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

I raised the breed my whole life. There is no clear cut breeding for it. The scissoring teeth should have been an indication that the article was complete hype. The next BS someone is going to tell me is something completely ridiculous like they have locking jaws or something. The media has done a great job of hyping nothing. There are no more dog bites or fatalities than there has ever been. There are only 20 people in the entire country that die from dog bites every year. The way the media carries on you would think you couldn't walk out your door without being attacked.

[Popps]

I was referring to original breeding Popps. After it became an official breed it was bred for pit fighting and hence the nickname "Pit Bull" BUT the original purpose was bull baiting and wild boar hunting. This is pre-Bull Terrier breed when there was little distinction between the Boxer, the Bull Terrier and the English Bulldog.

Since I was referring to the claim that the "original" purpose of the breed was for fighting I wanted to clarify.

German Shephard's are far more viscious of a breed IMO.

Gotcha.

Shepherds are definitely a dog you have to keep your eye on. I've been attacked a couple times growing up by Shepherds, and once recently while walking Bella. A huge Shepherd hopped a 6' retaining wall to get out of its own yard, and tore down an alley after my dog and me. Bella escaped with only minor injuries and did a surprisingly good job defending herself against the larger dog. Of course, I was kicking the **** out of the thing, but it didn't even phase it. Luckily it didn't bite me, too.

I later contacted the owners of the dog and told them what happened. Found out about the history of the dog... and, you got it... it was a rescue. Meaning, it probably had been abandoned or mistreated in some way. Once again, a human to blame.

That said, I can't help but wonder if that had been a pit... if either my dog or I would have made it out alive.

The only encounter we ever had with a strage Pit was when I was walking her in our old neighborhood. We came upon a fairly large male Pit Bull walking around apparently with no owner in site. It walked up to us.... stopped... and flopped over on its back so I'd rub its belly.

[Bronx33]

I love all breeds of dogs. Pit bulls are generally no worse than any other breed, but a vicious pit bull can do a lot more damage than most other breeds. My main complaint with pit bulls is that they are fairly aggressive towards other dogs. Pit bull owners will dispute this because they're feeling persecuted these days, but its a vaild concern.

The other problem is that a certain percentage of the owners are attracted to the dogs because of their tough image. Much the way a lot of guys who are pussies try to act tough by liking the Raiders.


Touche....

[BIG DADDY]

I was referring to original breeding Popps. After it became an official breed it was bred for pit fighting and hence the nickname "Pit Bull" BUT the original purpose was bull baiting and wild boar hunting. This is pre-Bull Terrier breed when there was little distinction between the Boxer, the Bull Terrier and the English Bulldog.

Since I was referring to the claim that the "original" purpose of the breed was for fighting I wanted to clarify.

German Shephard's are far more viscious of a breed IMO.

MUCH more likely to bite people.

[BIG DADDY]

I love all breeds of dogs. Pit bulls are generally no worse than any other breed, but a vicious pit bull can do a lot more damage than most other breeds. My main complaint with pit bulls is that they are fairly aggressive towards other dogs. Pit bull owners will dispute this because they're feeling persecuted these days, but its a vaild concern.

The other problem is that a certain percentage of the owners are attracted to the dogs because of their tough image. Much the way a lot of guys who are pussies try to act tough by liking the Raiders.

No there definately animal aggressive. Mine just got skunked the other night and has gotten into it with a couple coons as well. If your going to own the breed you have to take responsibility for that. As long as my dogs on a leash I should be OK.

[Bronx33]

If you ask me ANY dog is capable of attacking without reason, pits are in the spotlight right now due to some do gooder, my point is the owners are guilty of making that dog what it is sure some dogs have a history but you can't tell me a full blood pit raised from a pup by someone that has a clue how to raise a dog that dog will be a completely normal dog.

[BIG DADDY]

Other cities considering ban, as well:
http://www.themoderatevoice.com/posts/1118031678.shtml

Sucks, but there have been two kids mauled, one killed and an adult owner mauled and killed by his own Pits in a matter of a few months. Bad press, indeed.

A lot of these dogs are not APBT's as well. The dogs that killed the kid in SF because the irresponsible owner left a young child in the house with the bitch in heat and the male trying to hit it were not real APBT's. Hell the bitch was over 80lbs. They even called the Presa Canario's that killed the dyke in SF pit bulls for the first week. how do you mix up a 200lb dog with an APBT? When you have an agenda that's how.

[-Slap-]

No there definately animal aggressive. Mine just got skunked the other night and has gotten into it with a couple coons as well. If your going to own the breed you have to take responsibility for that. As long as my dogs on a leash I should be OK.

On a leash or in your living room, I love 'em to death. If I see one (and definitely if I see more than one) off leash with no owner in sight, I'm calling Animal Control immediately. I'm not going to risk the welfare of a child or another pet on the chance that this particular pit bull was raised to be non aggressive.

[Kaylore]

I have two good friends who own pit bulls. Both are intelligent, well mannered women. Their dogs are very friendly and aren't the menacing attack animals that media would have you believe. One of the dogs has been in a fight once and that was with a black lab. The funny thing is the lab started it. Anyway I think pit bulls get a bad rap and I don't believe the majority of pit bull owners are white-trash rabies spreading losers, nor do I believe the majority of pit bulls will attack someone on a whim. The Denver law seems to be based on fear mostly.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I raised the breed my whole life. There is no clear cut breeding for it. The scissoring teeth should have been an indication that the article was complete hype. The next BS someone is going to tell me is something completely ridiculous like they have locking jaws or something. The media has done a great job of hyping nothing. There are no more dog bites or fatalities than there has ever been. There are only 20 people in the entire country that die from dog bites every year. The way the media carries on you would think you couldn't walk out your door without being attacked.

When little kids and women are mauled to death the media does sensationalize it but it's easy to do given the circumstances. And recently, you have the fact that gangs are raising and keeping Pit Bulls. That doesn't help their image any. Owning dogs (at least the breeds that have been mentioned in this thread) is almost akin to owning firearms. There is much responsibility with owning animals that can kill people!

[twotimes3233]

I just wanted to hear from people who live there what the talk is around Denver about this BS. Are most people actually for it or is there going to be a backlash against the people who pushed this through? If the people in Denver were to actually vote on this do you think this recent legislation would actually stick?

Soon as I saw this post on the forum I knew where it was headed.
Two assholes in my office argued about this for about three hours one night, and I swear I was going to kill them both. They were going at each other like....well, pit bulls!

You remember that dog Eddie from that show Frasier?
That was one bad mo-fo.

[BIG DADDY]

On a leash or in your living room, I love 'em to death. If I see one (and definitely if I see more than one) off leash with no owner in sight, I'm calling Animal Control immediately. I'm not going to risk the welfare of a child or another pet on the chance that this particular pit bull was raised to be non aggressive.

If you see one wandering you should call animal control.

[BIG DADDY]

When little kids and women are mauled to death the media does sensationalize it but it's easy to do given the circumstances. And recently, you have the fact that gangs are raising and keeping Pit Bulls. That doesn't help their image any. Owning dogs (at least the breeds that have been mentioned in this thread) is almost akin to owning firearms. There is much responsibility with owning animals that can kill people!

Any dog worth owning is capable of hurting people. Millions of households are protected by these dogs including mine. There are only 20 people a year killed by dogs in the entire country and that number has never gone up even with the bad rap this breed is getting. If you look at the numbers I don't see how anyone could support BSL. If you look at the history of BSL globally it is not about pit bulls it's about banning many large breed dogs. Pits are just being used as an excuse to pass a vicious dog ordinance then you begin to add breeds to that list. That's how it's worked in Europe, then Canada and it is beginning to take root here now. Anyone concerned about owning a dog worth having should be against all BSL. The whole image being promoted by the media about vicious fighting dogs is nothing more than a smoke screen to get this legislation through. Denver is already looking at adding Rotties to the list.

[Taco John]

They came for the pit bulls, and I wasn't a pit bull, so I didn't speak up...

[kappys]

Any dog worth owning is capable of hurting people. Millions of households are protected by these dogs including mine. There are only 20 people a year killed by dogs in the entire country and that number has never gone up even with the bad rap this breed is getting. If you look at the numbers I don't see how anyone could support BSL. If you look at the history of BSL globally it is not about pit bulls it's about banning many large breed dogs. Pits are just being used as an excuse to pass a vicious dog ordinance then you begin to add breeds to that list. That's how it's worked in Europe, then Canada and it is beginning to take root here now. Anyone concerned about owning a dog worth having should be against all BSL. The whole image being promoted by the media about vicious fighting dogs is nothing more than a smoke screen to get this legislation through. Denver is already looking at adding Rotties to the list.

True lots of dogs can hurt people, but few can do it to the extent that pit bulls can. Obviously Rotts, Dobeys and German Shepards can. They certainly can have the instinct for it as well if mistreated, but a pit bull could take down all of the aforementioned dogs.

As for deaths that is really irrelevant. Most people just get mauled by pitt bulls leaving them scarred for life, and often times with permanent damage to an extremity.

[ZachKC]

They came for the pit bulls, and I wasn't a pit bull, so I didn't speak up...
How was the vacation?

[footstepsfrom#27]

I had to beat one of these things off me once with a steel pipe when he came after my Golden Retriever. He was running around loose and just came after us while I was walking my dog. I hit the brute about a dozen times in the head before he quit. I figure I'm lucky I didn't get bit because he sure tried. I would never have one around my kids, no matter what anyone says. If a regular dog bites a kid he gets a couple stitches. These things can kill.

[kappys]

I had to beat one of these things off me once with a steel pipe when he came after my Golden Retriever. He was running around loose and just came after us while I was walking my dog. I hit the brute about a dozen times in the head before he quit. I figure I'm lucky I didn't get bit because he sure tried. I would never have one around my kids, no matter what anyone says. If a regular dog bites a kid he gets a couple stitches. These things can kill.

Its a shame you didn't kill the damn thing. If you can get the dog to go down next time be sure to give it the coup de grace. No need for dogs running around that are known to attack people and other animals.

[BIG DADDY]

True lots of dogs can hurt people, but few can do it to the extent that pit bulls can. Obviously Rotts, Dobeys and German Shepards can. They certainly can have the instinct for it as well if mistreated, but a pit bull could take down all of the aforementioned dogs.

As for deaths that is really irrelevant. Most people just get mauled by pitt bulls leaving them scarred for life, and often times with permanent damage to an extremity.

Since this breed has become so popular bites are not up either. Most of the dogs they call pits are not pits either.

[BIG DADDY]

I would never have one around my kids, no matter what anyone says. .

The lady that runs the biggest pit bull rescue in California has been doing it for 15 years and these dogs have been around all of her kids. None of them have ever been bit.

I have placed more than 20 into homes with kids and none of them have ever bitten anyone. The most recent was a pup off off Damian, son of Mayday probably the most famous pit fighting dog in recent memory. His daughter is 4, no problem. You really have to be around the breed to understand it. I have no doubt that dog wanted to get at yours. People should be held accountible no doubt.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Teh lady that runs the biggest pit bull rescue in California has been doing it for 15 years and these dogs have been around all of her kids. None of them have ever been bit.
A 7 year old Dallas boy was killed down here about a year ago by a Pit. YOU can get one and keep it around your kids if you want...I wouldn't let mine get anywhere near one.

[Beantown Bronco]

My boxer and english bulldog can kill with their gas....

[BIG DADDY]

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A 7 year old Dallas boy was killed down here about a year ago by a Pit. YOU can get one and keep it around your kids if you want...I wouldn't let mine get anywhere near one.

Many kids die from drowning in their own bathtub too but it doesn't mean I won't put my kid in one. I wonder how many 10s of thousands of what they are calling pits you have around kids in Texas? Your kid is twice as likely to be struck by lightning and killed as being taken out by a dog you better pick up that lightning protection suit while your at it.

[BIG DADDY]

My boxer and english bulldog can kill with their gas....

I just lost my english bully a year ago, she rocked.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Many kids die from drowning in their own bathtub too but it doesn't mean I won't put my kid in one. I wonder how many 10s of thousands of what they are calling pits you have around kids in Texas? Your kid is twice as likely to be struck by lightning and killed as being taken out by a dog you better pick up that lightning protection suit while your at it.
So you're saying I should make sure my kids are left around Pit Bulls since kids die from other things as well? I don't let my kids swim when there's lightning, neither would I let them get around a potentially dangerous dog. My choice.

[Hotrod]

So you're saying I should make sure my kids are left around Pit Bulls since kids die from other things as well? I don't let my kids swim when there's lightning, neither would I let them get around a potentially dangerous dog. My choice.

I respect that I would not let my kids play around dogs I dont know but my 1/2 pit 1/2 whatever was in the alley I dont mind at all.

[BIG DADDY]

So you're saying I should make sure my kids are left around Pit Bulls since kids die from other things as well? I don't let my kids swim when there's lightning, neither would I let them get around a potentially dangerous dog. My choice.

Yea well to each there own. Good luck trying to pull an Elizabeth Smart in our house. We all feel safer because he is there. That being said I wouldn't let a young child around any large dog I didn't know.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Good luck trying to pull an Elizabeth Smart in our house.
Why would I want to pull an Elilzabeth Smart in your house? Best watchdog I've seen yet? A stinkin' little pipsqueak Pomeranian...they'll freak out over anything and yap themselves crazy if somebody so much as walks by on the street.

[Priest Dante]

Why would I want to pull an Elilzabeth Smart in your house? Best watchdog I've seen yet? A stinkin' little pipsqueak Pomeranian...they'll freak out over anything and yap themselves crazy if somebody so much as walks by on the street.
That's very true. It's like having your own Joe Pesci.

[BIG DADDY]

Why would I want to pull an Elilzabeth Smart in your house? Best watchdog I've seen yet? A stinkin' little pipsqueak Pomeranian...they'll freak out over anything and yap themselves crazy if somebody so much as walks by on the street.

I guess we have different ideas on what an ideal watch dog is. My idea of an ideal dog is one that can do more than yap. I like the bully breeds, all of them. The APBT though is a very special dog. The most athletic, gamest dog of all time and created right here in the good ol US of A. It's a shame we have let the insurance companies that lose a billion dollars a year to dog bites drive us through fear promoted in the media to this point. I can't even take my dog out in the woods here in Northern California anymore. Don't fool yourself they are coming after all REAL DOGS.

[Popps]

Pit Bulls are not watch dogs. They have little or no guard instinct, and if raised properly... a robber could probably walk right into a house, pet the Pit Bull and proceed to steal the jewelry. The breed was never used for guarding or police work. I have a neighbor with a Pit that can't get that dog to bark at anyone... even the mailman.

Dobermans, Shepherds, Rotts and Boxers are a good place to start if you want a guard dog.

[BIG DADDY]

Pit Bulls are not watch dogs. They have little or no guard instinct, and if raised properly... a robber could probably walk right into a house, pet the Pit Bull and proceed to steal the jewelry. The breed was never used for guarding or police work. I have a neighbor with a Pit that can't get that dog to bark at anyone... even the mailman.

Dobermans, Shepherds, Rotts and Boxers are a good place to start if you want a guard dog.

I know that is usually the case because they are so human friendly but mine guards the house like you wouldn't believe. A lot of that is how they are raised as well and I rewarded mine for being on it and attentive. Ours was raised as a house dog and he came out quite different than any of his bothers of sisters raised on a chain.

[BIG DADDY]

I was going to post a picture of him but for some reason it just will not take it. I made it small as well.

[BIG DADDY]

Pit Bulls are not watch dogs. They have little or no guard instinct, and if raised properly... a robber could probably walk right into a house, pet the Pit Bull and proceed to steal the jewelry. The breed was never used for guarding or police work. I have a neighbor with a Pit that can't get that dog to bark at anyone... even the mailman.

Dobermans, Shepherds, Rotts and Boxers are a good place to start if you want a guard dog.

The police work thing isn't true either they are being used more and more and are very trainable. They are being used the most as drug sniffing and bomb sniffing dogs. The biggest drug bust in the history of Hidalgo Texas port of entry was by a pit bull.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/popsicle.html

For the record one the most successfull search and rescue dog teams in California history are pit bulls.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/sarpits.html

Furthermore the most decorated war dog in our nations history was a Pit Bull named Stubby

http://www.animalfarmfoundation.org/item.php?id=5&topic=0&item=68

[ZachKC]

BD, TJ turned pic uploads off to help out board preformance...just a lil FYI. So you are not crazy it should work. Well, you are crazy but not in this respect.

[BIG DADDY]

BD, TJ turned pic uploads off to help out board preformance...just a lil FYI. So you are not crazy it should work. Well, you are crazy but not in this respect.

Thanks, for a second there I was like "how damn small do these pictures have to be? "

[ZachKC]

Thanks, for a second there I was like "how damn small do these pictures have to be? "
They like 'em small around here.

[gunns]

That's their original breeding.

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Are Pit Bulls that much more dangerous than attack dogs such as Rottweilers & German Shepherd, or is it a case of “no such thing as bad dogs, just bad owners?
BOTH SAYS THE RSPCA. Paul Edwards.
Pit Bulls were breed from Staffordshire Bull Terriers & Bull Mastiffs - Not to guard, or hunt, but to viciously rip other dogs to death in pits while their bloodthirsty owners cheered.
“They can literally sever limbs,� the RSPCAs, Paul Edwards said.
Unlike German Shepherds, which lock their jaws, Pit Bulls move their back molars once they have bitten. Their lower jaw scissors back & forth to sever flesh from the bone.
They are not large dogs, but they have an enormous power-to-weight ratio. Their jaw strength is far greater than any other dog.
(<a href="http://www.edba.org.au/courier.html">CONTINUED</a>)

Yeah, well my dachshunds were bred to chase down badgers. Their scared of cats or any other animals. Haven't seen them go looking for any badgers and we do have them here, in fact we had one in our window well and had to call animal control. They could have cared less and they could see it through the windown.

Yes a pit bulls jaw is extremely strong, if they use it, if the owner raises it that way. The same thing went on with Doberman's years ago. People were terrified of them. We had one and it was the most docile dog I've ever had. When a dog is bred for a purpose it does not mean it carries over for generations and even if they are not bred for that purpose they will do it. That's ridiculous. It's the owners are to blame, bottom line.

[gunns]

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A 7 year old Dallas boy was killed down here about a year ago by a Pit. YOU can get one and keep it around your kids if you want...I wouldn't let mine get anywhere near one.

Dime to a dollar that kid was teasing the dog. There are certain dogs that if teased have the power to do damage, extreme damage. About time parents start teaching their children to have respect for animals. I have 6 children and they have all been around my friends Pits and we had a Doberman. Not one was ever bit. Now my dachshunds did bite one of my children because he thought because the dog was small he could tease it with no problem. He learned you have to have respect for all sizes.

[Moon§hiner]

My two cents here...I have no use for the piece of crap owner that owns an animal that bites...I work in the service business and I've seen dachshunds to rot's do it...got to coldcork a rott with my tool box while the homeowner had a hold of is hind legs dragging it away from me....bottom line, if you can't control your pet, you aren't intelligent enough to own one.

[-Slap-]

I saw guy bring his pit bull to a party one time. He was the type of young dude who was trying to project a badass image in various ways and the dog was another element of the presentation. Well, the owner of the house's dog comes out, some gawky mutt of indiscernable lineage, and he proceeds to start humping Mr Tough Guy's pit bull in front the whole crowd. The look on that guy's face was priceless. It was like the dog was screwing him. He slunk away in shame minutes later.

[-Slap-]

Jayson Williams bet Dwayne Schintzius $100 that Schintzius couldn't drag his Rottweiler out of Williams' house. Schintzius did and then an enraged Williams blew the dog to pieces with a shotgun. Then he pointed the gun at Schintzius and said, "clean it up, or you're next".

His high priced attorney's got that piece of information thrown out of his murder trial last year.

[Moon§hiner]

that's even better than the time my buds doby got his ass kicked by a yearling lab....he brought it to the party to be tough....he slinked away and that dog was never the same again...idiot owners

[Arkie]

It sucks that people will turn Pit Bulls into fighters. Chiwawas are fiercer, but what can they do with those little mouths? Pit Bulls have the physical ability to do the most damage. That's why the "tough guys" raise Pit Bulls. Pits account for maybe less than 1/4th the dog bites, but they are by far the most severe. It's all about being a responsible owner. It's like the saying "guns don't kill people, people kill people." A responsible guy can own a bazooka, but a crazy guy shouldn't be given a BB gun. He might shoot your eye out!

[Mtbrncofn]

Jayson Williams bet Dwayne Schintzius $100 that Schintzius couldn't drag his Rottweiler out of Williams' house. Schintzius did and then an enraged Williams blew the dog to pieces with a shotgun. Then he pointed the gun at Schintzius and said, "clean it up, or you're next".

His high priced attorney's got that piece of information thrown out of his murder trial last year.


Geez! That alone is worth a jail sentence, IMO. That's just sickening.

[Rigs11]

Pit Bulls are not watch dogs. They have little or no guard instinct, and if raised properly... a robber could probably walk right into a house, pet the Pit Bull and proceed to steal the jewelry. The breed was never used for guarding or police work. I have a neighbor with a Pit that can't get that dog to bark at anyone... even the mailman.

Dobermans, Shepherds, Rotts and Boxers are a good place to start if you want a guard dog.

I know that everyone thinks that Labs are friendly and gentle. My yellow is however he is also a great guard dog, and man does he look vicious when he bares his teeth and gets the razorback going.

[Rigs11]

I live in a small town in colorado, Longmont, and there are shetloads of Pit bulls here. My wife and I walk our three labs daily at this park in which lots of mexicans go to. I don't want anyone to think that this a racist post, but from what I've seen alot of mexicans here own Pit bulls. The thing that pisses me off is that they bring their dogs to the park and then they tie them up and go do whatever. I also see young teens walking these dogs, the dogs are lunging and the kids can barely hold onto them. I think that with these dogs there does need to be special precautions, yes all dogs bite but these can cause serious harm to someone.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Dime to a dollar that kid was teasing the dog. There are certain dogs that if teased have the power to do damage, extreme damage. About time parents start teaching their children to have respect for animals. I have 6 children and they have all been around my friends Pits and we had a Doberman. Not one was ever bit. Now my dachshunds did bite one of my children because he thought because the dog was small he could tease it with no problem. He learned you have to have respect for all sizes.
Actually the dog was part of a pack of dogs running wild. The kid was walking home from school and one of the other dogs attacked him and the Pit joined in and killed him. A woman was also killed here not to long ago by another Pitt. The thing ripped her throat right out in front of half a dozen bystanders who witnessed it and didn't do anything. Cops charged the owner with manslaughter.

[fontaine]

That's very true. It's like having your own Joe Pesci.

That reminds me of what happend to a friend who had a very friendly rottie. The only other dog in the area was a Jack Russell who was probably smaller than the Rottie's dog bowl so my friend didn't get his rottweiler spayed because of the sheer physical improbability of anything humping around.

Well, a couple of years went by without incident and one day he spots his Rottie lying sideways on the ground with one very happy Jack Russell behind her. A couple of months later she had three pups.

He wanted to give the pups away for free but no one would have them.

I asked him why.

He said: "The pups are like taking Joe Pesci out of Goodfellas, and putting him into Arnold Schwarzeneggers body!"

[Beantown Bronco]

Most people in Mass will lose their homeowner's insurance if I they own a pit bull. Some other breeds are being added little by little. It'll be interesting to see how many more breeds are "black listed" before dog owners start to fight back in some sort of organized fashion.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Most people in Mass will lose their homeowner's insurance if I they own a pit bull. Some other breeds are being added little by little. It'll be interesting to see how many more breeds are "black listed" before dog owners start to fight back in some sort of organized fashion.
Nothing they can do against insurance companies. You'll have to decide what is more important, owning a large dog or having a home.

[BIG DADDY]

Most people in Mass will lose their homeowner's insurance if I they own a pit bull. Some other breeds are being added little by little. It'll be interesting to see how many more breeds are "black listed" before dog owners start to fight back in some sort of organized fashion.

Most people don't understand theat there is insurance company money behind pushing this legislation and they are interested in going after as many dogs as they can. Pit bull legislation is just an excuse to promote BSL and thn go after different breeds. The biggest promoter of this nation wide is the City Attorney of Denver. The POS's name is Korey Nelson. Korey condones going around and shooting dogs down in the street, someone needs to put a cap in this fools ass. Of course the more civilized way to deal with it is to have him removed from office. Here is the petition.

http://www.petitiononline.com/zsazsa1/petition.html

[BIG DADDY]

Nothing they can do against insurance companies. You'll have to decide what is more important, owning a large dog or having a home.

The scary part is how much power these guys have. 70% of the country was against seat belt laws but but what do we have?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Most people don't understand theat there is insurance company money behind pushing this legislation and they are interested in going after as many dogs as they can. Pit bull legislation is just an excuse to promote BSL and thn go after different breeds. The biggest promoter of this nation wide is the City Attorney of Denver. The POS's name is Korey Nelson. Korey condones going around and shooting dogs down in the street, someone needs to put a cap in this fools ass. Of course the more civilized way to deal with it is to have him removed from office. Here is the petition.

http://www.petitiononline.com/zsazsa1/petition.html
Not a good idea to opine terminating a public official on message boards, even in jest.

The scary part is how much power these guys have. 70% of the country was against seat belt laws but but what do we have?

I actually agree with this law, mostly because I have kids.

[Hotrod]

That reminds me of what happend to a friend who had a very friendly rottie. The only other dog in the area was a Jack Russell who was probably smaller than the Rottie's dog bowl so my friend didn't get his rottweiler spayed because of the sheer physical improbability of anything humping around.

Well, a couple of years went by without incident and one day he spots his Rottie lying sideways on the ground with one very happy Jack Russell behind her. A couple of months later she had three pups.

He wanted to give the pups away for free but no one would have them.

I asked him why.

He said: "The pups are like taking Joe Pesci out of Goodfellas, and putting him into Arnold Schwarzeneggers body!"

Does not surprise me in the least. My 1/2 pit 1/2 whatever just had a litter of pups the father is a freaking begion (sp) little white yappy poodle looking thing. The pups are cute thou.

[fontaine]

Does not surprise me in the least.

Maybe it doesn't surprise you but the Jack Russell seemed pretty shocked.

I could swear he was running around the block for weeks afterwards looking like he was the big dog and owned the neibhourhood!

;D

[Beantown Bronco]

The scary part is how much power these guys have. 70% of the country was against seat belt laws but but what do we have?

There's no accounting for intelligence levels in straw polls. 70% of the country either can't speak English or understand what's being asked of them when voting on an issue. Not wearing seat belts kills a hell of a lot more people each year than dogs do. I have no problem with being overruled on that one....if that is indeed the case.

[BIG DADDY]

There's no accounting for intelligence levels in straw polls. 70% of the country either can't speak English or understand what's being asked of them when voting on an issue. Not wearing seat belts kills a hell of a lot more people each year than dogs do. I have no problem with being overruled on that one....if that is indeed the case.

You won't care until big money goes against the mass majority on an issue you do care about. Problem is you already let a presidence be set.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

You won't care until big money goes against the mass majority on an issue you do care about. Problem is you already let a presidence be set.
Or it could be worse, like a whole country banning something.
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/7svlb">Australia Bans 'Grand Theft Auto'</a>.
I started a thread about it in the politics forum.

[Beantown Bronco]

I'd like to see the poll where 70% don't favor seat belt use. Every poll I've ever seen has it the other way around. I'm sure whatever study you are citing was centered around a very segmented group.

Big money and government go against the mass majority every day on issues we all care about, but there's nothing we can do about it most of the time. I, however, don't believe seat belt requirements fall under this category. I believe most are in favor of it, and there's no good reason not to be as far as I can tell.

[BIG DADDY]

Or it could be worse, like a whole country banning something.
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/7svlb">Australia Bans 'Grand Theft Auto'</a>.
I started a thread about it in the politics forum.

People these days just don't care about losing our freedoms and rights in general any more. Most would give it all up to just feel tiny bit more saaaaaaaafe. It makes me sick. It's no wonder I hae so many clients moving out of the country to retire. Problem is they are taking the majority of their money with them.

[BIG DADDY]

I'd like to see the poll where 70% don't favor seat belt use. Every poll I've ever seen has it the other way around. I'm sure whatever study you are citing was centered around a very segmented group.

Big money and government go against the mass majority every day on issues we all care about, but there's nothing we can do about it most of the time. I, however, don't believe seat belt requirements fall under this category. I believe most are in favor of it, and there's no good reason not to be as far as I can tell.

The numbers I am talking about were in the newspaper when they were trying to pass the legislation. I have no doubt the numbers may have changed since then. I wonder what ever happened to personal responsibility?

[Spider]

I havent read this thread , and I am no expert on Dogs , But my Dad has a Shar-Pei / pitBull ,Named boomer , and no doubt that dog is a bad ass , but my son when he was 3 used to grab boomers tounge and drag that dog all over the house , and steal Boomers food while Boomer was eating .......But my aunts poodle will bite the piss out of you .....
my 2 Rotties I had to get rid of were Gentile Dogs , nothing like the reputations Rotties have .. so I lean to the how you raise them ......

[BIG DADDY]

I havent read this thread , and I am no expert on Dogs , But my Dad has a Shar-Pei / pitBull ,Named boomer , and no doubt that dog is a bad ass , but my son when he was 3 used to grab boomers tounge and drag that dog all over the house , and steal Boomers food while Boomer was eating .......But my aunts poodle will bite the piss out of you .....
my 2 Rotties I had to get rid of were Gentile Dogs , nothing like the reputations Rotties have .. so I lean to the how you raise them ......

Sign the petition we need to get this fool out of there.

http://www.petitiononline.com/zsazsa1/petition.html

[Spider]

Sign the petition we need to get this fool out of there.

http://www.petitiononline.com/zsazsa1/petition.html
I sold my property in Colorado , so I dont if I can qualify to sign the petition ....

[BIG DADDY]

I sold my property in Colorado , so I dont if I can qualify to sign the petition ....

It's for residents and non residents.

[Spider]

It's for residents and non residents.
Ok I will sign it ......

[Spider]

it is signed http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/petition-sign.cgi?zsazsa1

[BIG DADDY]

Ok I will sign it ......

Awesome, thanks.

[Spider]

Bad move banning all dogs ...... better off banning all ****heads , that make these dogs mean .... But it doesnt show on the list of names

[BIG DADDY]

Bad move banning all dogs ...... better off banning all ****heads , that make these dogs mean .... But it doesnt show on the list of names

One of the problems is they are naming several breed and mixes pits. No dog has ever had to put up with that kind of scrutiny when it comes down to posting numbers against one particular breed

[REB]

I don't know about all this. All I know is that when we got our dog Sammy from the pound (6 months old) about 4-5 yrs ago they said they believe he was 1/2 Lab and 1/2 Pit. I've never seen the pit part. He's loveable as all get out and even licks the UPS guys to death. :)

REB

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!!

[BIG DADDY]

I don't know about all this. All I know is that when we got our dog Sammy from the pound (6 months old) about 4-5 yrs ago they said they believe he was 1/2 Lab and 1/2 Pit. I've never seen the pit part. He's loveable as all get out and even licks the UPS guys to death. :)

REB

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!!

You are seeing the pit side. APBT's are some of the most affectionate and loyal dogs there are. Nothing will want to please you more. For the record in the bay area labs rank 2nd for most frequent biters right behind shephers. Of course the only bites the media want to talk about are by dogs they may be abale try and label as pits. Secondly this new legislation would make it alright for them to come to your door, pull your dog out of your house and kill it. Korey Nelson the city attorney of Denver condones citizens shooting your dog if they get a chance as well.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I don't know about all this. All I know is that when we got our dog Sammy from the pound (6 months old) about 4-5 yrs ago they said they believe he was 1/2 Lab and 1/2 Pit. I've never seen the pit part. He's loveable as all get out and even licks the UPS guys to death. :)

REB

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!!
When I lived out in the woods near Durango, our UPS driver would always give the dogs treats when he came. My dogs would hear his truck way down the road before he got to my house and would run through the woods and meet him and jump in his truck before he got to my drive about a 1/4 mile away from the house. He'd drive the rest of the way to my house delivering my package and my dogs :)

One day I heard this girl screaming "HELP" a the top of my drive. I ran up there as fast as I could and it was a substitute UPS driver standing by the side of the road with my dogs sitting in her truck, wagging their tails.
I was laughing so hard my stomach was hurting.

I had to get some doggie cookies to give her because she had more deliveries down our road and my neighbors all had dogs.

[Arkie]

Something horrible happened last night!

My brother-in-law has a pit bull on my property. He's the nicest dog to people, but not other animals. He's been raised properly. Nobody ever beats him. He seems so intelligent and lovable. Anybody could rob us blind while he stands there wagging his tail. However, he killed a pit bull puppy that just moved in last night. That's not the only animals. He's killed two male hound dogs and a pregnant goat. He also killed one of his own puppies before I knew him. I'm concerned about this dog. But, he's so nice to humans. I posted a pic of him in the post your pet thread when I was still proud of him. Now I'm somewhere between disgusted and trying to understand his problem. I will always encourage people to buy a different dog because this dog seems dangerous even though he loves people. And, he should love people. He's been treated like a king.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Something horrible happened last night!

My brother-in-law has a pit bull on my property. He's the nicest dog to people, but not other animals. He's been raised properly. Nobody ever beats him. He seems so intelligent and lovable. Anybody could rob us blind while he stands there wagging his tail. However, he killed a pit bull puppy that just moved in last night. That's not the only animals. He's killed two male hound dogs and a pregnant goat. He also killed one of his own puppies before I knew him. I'm concerned about this dog. But, he's so nice to humans. I posted a pic of him in the post your pet thread when I was still proud of him. Now I'm somewhere between disgusted and trying to understand his problem. I will always encourage people to buy a different dog because this dog seems dangerous even though he loves people. And, he should love people. He's been treated like a king.
Why is that dog still alive? Or at least in a position to kill other animals?

[Bronx33]

Why is that dog still alive? Or at least in a position to kill other animals?


I agree this where owners get into trouble......

[Arkie]

Why is that dog still alive? Or at least in a position to kill other animals?

Because I live in the country, and these animals wandered onto my property. He can chew through a chain link fence. He knows how to slip out of his collar when he's on the runner (with a tight collar). I don't know what to do. He's too lovable to put to sleep. He's alright with female dogs. His best doggy friend is our female Redbone.

There hasn't been one incident with people. Not even close!

[Bronx33]

...and there hasn't been one bad incident with people. Not even close.

Well you have to put up with him killing then, he's an animal not much you can do about it but the good part is your in the country.......

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Because I live in the country, and these animals wandered onto my property. He can chew through a chain link fence. He knows how to slip out of his collar when he's on the runner (with a tight collar). I don't know what to do. He's too lovable to put to sleep. He's alright with female dogs. His best doggy friend is our female Redbone.

There hasn't been one incident with people. Not even close!
Sounds like a bad situation to me. Even though you're in the country something worse than has happened so far can happen when a dog kills indiscriminantly like that. I don't envy the position you're in.

[Popps]

Something horrible happened last night!

My brother-in-law has a pit bull on my property. He's the nicest dog to people, but not other animals. He's been raised properly. Nobody ever beats him. He seems so intelligent and lovable. Anybody could rob us blind while he stands there wagging his tail. However, he killed a pit bull puppy that just moved in last night. That's not the only animals. He's killed two male hound dogs and a pregnant goat. He also killed one of his own puppies before I knew him. I'm concerned about this dog. But, he's so nice to humans. I posted a pic of him in the post your pet thread when I was still proud of him. Now I'm somewhere between disgusted and trying to understand his problem. I will always encourage people to buy a different dog because this dog seems dangerous even though he loves people. And, he should love people. He's been treated like a king.

You're eventually going to run into problems, one way or another. Either the dog is going to kill the wrong animal... and someone is going to come after the owner, or worse. I understand that it hasn't shown aggression towards people, yet... but I'd be very suspicious of a dog that shows that propensity towards killing.

I get why people defend Pit Bulls. They can be very sweet dogs and we all get attached to our dogs. But, the bottom line is that they're simply NOT like other breeds. For example, Pit Bull owners should NEVER leave a Pit Bull alone with another dog, much less a Pit. You'll hear repeated stories about a couple of Pits who lived together for years, then one day... the owner left... came home and the other was dead.

You know that idiot Jesse from Monster Garage? One of his Pits killed the other after being left alone overnight in his shop... right on the show. Then, the idiot pretends to be all torn up about it and takes a motorbike ride to clear his head. Whatever. If the jackass had a lick of sense, he'd know that the breed is NEVER to be left alone with another dog, unsupervised... no matter how docile they may seem. They HAVE a trigger, and in some dogs, it may never be tripped. In other Pits, it just takes one time and it's going to kill something. But, Jesse probably thought this was great for his Hollywood tough guy-image.

Pit Bull breeders have to buy something called a "Parting Stick." This is because it is commonplace for them to fight to such an extreme that you need a device to pry their mouths open so they don't kill each other.

Again, this is a completely different kind of breed that presents problems you won't encounter with almost any other. They CAN make good pets with a very responsible owner, but to say that they're just like any other large dog is patently false.