John Engelberger is the Third best player on Denver's team!

[Mediator12]

According to Espn Insider's Player rankings, the new 49'ers acquisition is the third best player on the team behind Champ and Al Wilson rofl How come the East coast media is not saying what a great trade this was Knowitall I mean Middlebrooks is rated as a 63. Where is the Love?

I joined for the free 30 days in order to get some FF info and came across this info. Here is there Denver top ten:

Champ Bailey 93
Al Wilson 83
John Engelberger 76
Jason Elam 75
Tom Nalen 74
Rod Smith 74
D.J. Williams 74
Stephen Alexander 73
Ian Gold 73
Ben Hamilton 73

100-90= Elite
89-80= Outstanding
79-75=Solid Starter
70-74=Good starter
69-65=Adequate Starter
64-60= Good Backup
59-55= Adequate Backup
54-50= Marginal Backup
49-45= Poor player
30=developmental Player

Just for Footstepsfrom#27, Luther=63 and Davis=51 :poke:

[watermock]

That's what happens when Hillary Clinton does sports.

[watermock]

Champ Bailey played like a 75.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Just for Footstepsfrom#27, Luther=63 and Davis=51
Maybe he meant Luther IS 63...LOL

[Mediator12]

Maybe he meant Luther IS 63...LOL

Well he did get the dreaded "D" for durability issues :TJnPopps:

[-Slap-]

According to Espn Insider's Player rankings, the new 49'ers acquisition is the third best player on the team behind Champ and Al Wilson rofl How come the East coast media is not saying what a great trade this was Knowitall I mean Middlebrooks is rated as a 63. Where is the Love?

I joined for the free 30 days in order to get some FF info and came across this info. Here is there Denver top ten:

Champ Bailey 93
Al Wilson 83
John Engelberger 76
Jason Elam 75
Tom Nalen 74
Rod Smith 74
D.J. Williams 74
Stephen Alexander 73
Ian Gold 73
Ben Hamilton 73

100-90= Elite
89-80= Outstanding
79-75=Solid Starter
70-74=Good starter
69-65=Adequate Starter
64-60= Good Backup
59-55= Adequate Backup
54-50= Marginal Backup
49-45= Poor player
30=developmental Player

Just for Footstepsfrom#27, Luther=63 and Davis=51 :poke:

Rod Smith, Tom Nalen and DJ Williams are only 1/100th better than Ian Gold.

[Crushaholic]

Champ Bailey played like a 75.

exactly...Champ had a few problems adjusting to the new rules last year. Here's hoping for a better year from him...

[Mediator12]

Rod Smith, Tom Nalen and DJ Williams are only 1/100th better than Ian Gold.

Damn, I had the under at 25 minutes for either you or socal to respond to the bait thwack

[Arkie]

You have to pay for this kind of information. Only the Insiders get to know that Rod Smith and Tom Nalen lack the qualities to be solid starters.

[Mediator12]

You have to pay for this kind of information. Only the Insiders get to know that Rod Smith and Tom Nalen lack the qualities to be solid starters.

Actually, ITS FREE for thirty days :puff:

[-Slap-]

Champ Bailey 93


Its always comical to me when you see someone trying to assign point values when ranking players. Champ Bailey rated 93 as a cornerback last year. What kind of scale are we talking about? Did another corner rate a perfect 100? If not, then we must assume the person who does this rating system has an ideal cornerback in mind. Maybe Deion or Night Train or perhaps some mythical perfect cornerback, who never gets beat.

I wonder if the guy sat there and mulled over Champ's score for awhile before he assigned the final grade. Was he maybe leaning towards a 94, maybe a 92, or was it just plainly obvious to him that Champ played 93 caliber cornerback last year?

[-Slap-]

Actually, ITS FREE for thirty days :puff:

Well, you're certainly getting your money's worth.

;)

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Can someone post the Chiefs ratings?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Its always comical to me when you see someone trying to assign point values when ranking players. Champ Bailey rated 93 as a cornerback last year. What kind of scale are we talking about? Did another corner rate a perfect 100? If not, then we must assume the person who does this rating system has an ideal cornerback in mind. Maybe Deion or Night Train or perhaps some mythical perfect cornerback, who never gets beat.

I wonder if the guy sat there and mulled over Champ's score for awhile before he assigned the final grade. Was he maybe leaning towards a 94, maybe a 92, or was it just plainly obvious to him that Champ played 93 caliber cornerback last year?


Well, obviously Slap, unsophisticated amateur statisticians like yourself could never understand the complexities of the ESPN rating system. We are talking NASA scientists here. Complete objectivity. Every play scrutinized to the last step. Maybe one day you can fathom the sea of variables in elegant motion but for now you just need to take what Salisbury gives you, close your mouth, and be grateful that you are granted the opportunity to at least look at (if not understand) such brilliance.

Seriously though, I think that there is a positional ranking system where the 'statistician' explains the variable values.

[GreatBronco16]

Can someone post the Chiefs ratings?


Why? You looking for a good laugh? rofl

[wabbit]

You have to imagine there was some scientific method applied to create these rankings...I mean besides three interns playing Madden '05

[clarker]

Why? You looking for a good laugh? rofl
He reads his own posts for that.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You have to imagine there was some scientific method applied to create these rankings...I mean besides three interns playing Madden '05


With some of the junk that comes out of ESPN, I wouldnt be surprised if it was based on Sean Salisbury playing Madden.

One would hope that ESPN has legit statisticians who are knowledgeable about football. Most of the stats guys that I know are academics or are involved in business computations. It takes alot of legwork to make a quality analysis, and for some reason, I just dont see ESPN putting in that effort. I could be wrong though.

[GreatBronco16]

You have to imagine there was some scientific method applied to create these rankings...I mean besides three interns playing Madden '05


Maybe they were playing 06?? hmmmm that could explain alot. :crazy:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Why? You looking for a good laugh? rofl

No, I'm just curious. If someone would indulge me, I'd be mighty appreciative.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You have to imagine there was some scientific method applied to create these rankings...I mean besides three interns playing Madden '05

Nah, the Madden ratings are quite different.

[wabbit]

ESPN has become such a pool of goo the last ten years.

Everything is so yuk-yuk, I'm hardly ever certain when they're joking or being serious

Oh, and Joe Theisman is to football analysis what Osama bin Laden is to world peace

[TheNextStep]

And the difference between "Solid Starter" and "Good Starter" is...?

[DBroncos4life]

And the difference between "Solid Starter" and "Good Starter" is...?

1 point Nnyah!

[TheNextStep]

1 point Nnyah!

Hey now! Sometimes it's 5 points, you whippersnapper!

[DBroncos4life]

Hey now! Sometimes it's 5 points, you whippersnapper!


That is true.

[clarker]

And the difference between "Solid Starter" and "Good Starter" is...?No kidding.

[Garcia Bronco]

RE: Engelberger



???


He's a Hokie

[Garcia Bronco]

On Esssspin.....quit reading this garbage.

[vegasdonkey]

I just read that DJ had 50 tackles a forced fumble, a fumble recovery and an INT in the month of December. As a rookie.

And he's "good?"

[clarker]

I just read that DJ had 50 tackles a forced fumble, a fumble recovery and an INT in the month of December. As a rookie.

And he's "good?"Most sites that give out player ratings don't rate rookies that high. I love DJ and wanted the Broncos to draft him or Jon Vilma before that draft, but let's see if he plays at high level a few more years before we put him in with the Al Wilson's of the world.

[bendog]

I knew the mouse was running the place when I saw Steve Smith doing an nfl training camp piece last weekend. I about puked on the stairmaster.

[OrangeShadow]

Interesting ratings to say the least