View Full Version : T.O. "overplays contract"
watermock
07-25-2005, 11:56 AM
didn't this guy break his leg and miss 1/3 of the season?
Rascal
07-25-2005, 11:59 AM
the guy also played in the SB with a broken leg and almost single handidly won the SB....too bad his QB was hurling chunks.
The guy is an ass of the highest degree, but it's obvious he's got the skills.
watermock
07-25-2005, 12:09 PM
T.O. didn't propell the eagles to the SuperBowl. He didn't have a broken leg, it had been healing for 5 weeks. Your full of crap.
Rascal
07-25-2005, 12:13 PM
Put down the bottle, drink some pure water, eat some bread, take some aspirin, take a nap, and come back.
A broken leg doesn't heal in 5 weeks...no matter how hairline of a fracture it is.
Garcia Bronco
07-25-2005, 12:15 PM
And according to Essssspin...he'll be in camp.
Clockwork Orange
07-25-2005, 12:16 PM
And according to Essssspin...he'll be in camp.
But he won't be happy.
Mediator12
07-25-2005, 12:17 PM
Well, he did help them get home field advantage for sure. Fact is the guy delivered on the field. Off the field, there is no more better argument for a human muzzle. Otherwise, he did not outplay his contract, he gave them great value :yep:
watermock
07-25-2005, 12:22 PM
Typical idiocy.
T.O. didn't propell the Eagles to the SuperBowl. Your going to tell me he didn't come back after 5 weeks. No YOU go sit in the corner. You don't have a clue. T.O. came back early. Why don't you tell me how many weeks he missid you dimwit.
The point which escapes you is that the Eagles found the SuperBowl without T.O.
So you pull up how long he was out? No, make an insult? Yes. Screw you. It might of been 7 weeks, that only solidifies my point that Philly didn't need T.O. to get to the SuperBowl, right:? God your an idiot.
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bendog
07-25-2005, 12:23 PM
There was a piece on rosenhouse on espn at lunch. He's a pos. He's sitting there telling javon walker he's not being paid, but the fact is walker was overpaid for his first two years. I got no issue with guys' like sonic who are playing for 2nd round money, but putting up back to back 1500 yd years in their 2nd and 3rd years. But rosenhouse's real deal is that he wants nba contracts for nfl players.
clarker
07-25-2005, 12:23 PM
Typical idiocy.
T.O. didn't propell the Eagles to the SuperBowl. Your going to tell me he didn't come back after 5 weeks. No YOU go sit in the corner. You don't have a clue. T.O. came back early. Why don't you tell me how many weeks he missid you dimwit.
The point which escapes you is that the Eagles found the SuperBowl without T.O.
So you pull up how long he was out? No, make an insult? Yes. Screw you. It might of been 7 weeks, that only solidifies my point that Philly didn't need T.O. to get to the SuperBowl, right:? God your an idiot.
;They got the Super Bowl without T.O. but they would have been blown out of the game if he hadn't played.
Yep. Out here in the area of the City of Brotherly drive by shootings and drug deals gone bad the sports "experts" are saying that T.O. is reporting to camp cuz he doesn't want to be fined. But T.O. has also been quoted as saying he'll report but he wont be happy. They're saying that they believe he will be a locker room cancer and not give it his all in the hopes that the Eagles will trade him. DUH! Ya think?
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Rascal
07-25-2005, 12:24 PM
There was a piece on rosenhouse on espn at lunch. He's a pos. He's sitting there telling javon walker he's not being paid, but the fact is walker was overpaid for his first two years. I got no issue with guys' like sonic who are playing for 2nd round money, but putting up back to back 1500 yd years in their 2nd and 3rd years. But rosenhouse's real deal is that he wants nba contracts for nfl players.
rosenhaus doesn't get a dime if his players don'g get a new contract so he's trying to pad his own pocket. he doesn't give a flying flip about them he just wants to pad his 401(k).
watermock
07-25-2005, 12:25 PM
So he was off the field 5 or 7 games in the end of the season and he took them to the SuperBowl? What are you people smoking?: He only played in the SuperBowl. He didn't play at all in the playoffs.
watermock
07-25-2005, 12:26 PM
rosenhaus doesn't get a dime if his players don'g get a new contract so he's trying to pad his own pocket. he doesn't give a flying flip about them he just wants to pad his 401(k).
Pure genius at work. Your such an idiot. He doesn't have a 401K you dimwit.
He has his own firm. Jesus Christ your an idiot. He doen't have a pension plan. WTF do you think his 401 plan is if he didn't design it himself?
Garcia Bronco
07-25-2005, 12:30 PM
I'm gonna agree with Mock...I think that game would have ended the same way whether TO played or not.....and it's not like they didn't make the NFCC the previous 3 years. The NFC is just a weak conference right now. In fact...I'm starting to think maybe he was more of a distraction than asset, but only the players can really answer that question.
Rascal
07-25-2005, 12:30 PM
Look schmuck.
TO missed the last two regular season games. Well guess what...so did McNabb as they rested there starters so it wouldn't have mattered if he was healthy or not.
And he missed the two first playoff games....for a grand total of 4 games he didn't start in. Not five and not seven.
The Eagles got to the SB because the rest of the NFC sucked.
Rascal
07-25-2005, 12:31 PM
Pure genius at work. Your such an idiot. He doesn't have a 401K you dimwit.
He has his own firm. Jesus Christ your an idiot. He doen't have a pension plan. WTF do you think his 401 plan is if he didn't design it himself?
You are drunken fool. It was a joke.
Rascal
07-25-2005, 12:33 PM
And I never claimed he took them to the SB. I said he almost won it for them.
In an article I was reading in one the the new mags that just came out they were talking about TO getting traded and we were one of the teams this guy was saying that needs a big play receiver but we couldn't fit TO under our salary cap. I was thinking to myself that even if we could I for one wouldn't want this greedy me me me guy on my team. I would rather go 0-16 then have TO on my team. jmho
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Rascal
07-25-2005, 12:34 PM
I'm gonna agree with Mock...I think that game would have ended the same way whether TO played or not.....and it's not like they didn't make the NFCC the previous 3 years. The NFC is just a weak conference right now. In fact...I'm starting to think maybe he was more of a distraction than asset, but only the players can really answer that question.
Well there is no way the Eagles were going to win...and they obviously got there without him. But he gave them a chance...and they probably would have won if McNabb wasn't blowing chunks.
Rascal
07-25-2005, 12:35 PM
In an article I was reading in one the the new mags that just came out they were talking about TO getting traded and we were one of the teams this guy was saying that needs a big play receiver but we couldn't fit TO under our salary cap. I was thinking to myself that even if we could I for one wouldn't want this greedy me me me guy on my team. I would rather go 0-16 then have TO on my team. jmho
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I agree, and shanny would never take him or rosenhaus.
watermock
07-25-2005, 12:39 PM
That scumbag Roesenhaus is still trying to get TO toi hold out, because he gets dick unless there is a new contract. Not T.O, , the Shark...The Shark gets dick if he can't get a new contract. The guy is total scum. If he was reasonable, Philly would probably get TO a new contract. I read that he didn't get 2.5 million, he got near 9. anyone have the stats?
I heard they just held back some of the bonus. At any rate I think he's a collosal prick.
I read on Fox sports the other day that TO's salary last year was 9.1 or so mill. Sorry I don't buy that ya can't feed your family on that kinda dough. And what I don't get is why did you sign a 7 yr. contract? How did your idea of a fair deal change in 1 yr of a 7 yr. contract? I don't get it.
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Tredici
07-25-2005, 12:43 PM
I agree, and shanny would never take him or rosenhaus.
I can't agree with either statement. Shanahan has taken players with far greater character problems and far less talent than Owens.
Rosenhaus has negotiated some favorable trades for Denver. He does his job and no organization worth it's salt is going to shy away from players simply because he represents them.
bendog
07-25-2005, 12:51 PM
I can't agree with either statement. Shanahan has taken players with far greater character problems and far less talent than Owens.
Rosenhaus has negotiated some favorable trades for Denver. He does his job and no organization worth it's salt is going to shy away from players simply because he represents them.
No, I think an organization has to take a real serious issue with players he represents. With a no 1 pick and a five year contract, you have to figure it's really a 3 year, and you've got to lowball the initial year because most rooks don't play for ****, and then up the ante for year 3.
Mile High Shack
07-25-2005, 12:55 PM
I can't agree with either statement. Shanahan has taken players with far greater character problems and far less talent than Owens.
Rosenhaus has negotiated some favorable trades for Denver. He does his job and no organization worth it's salt is going to shy away from players simply because he represents them.
what "big name" players has he put up with that were represented by Rosenhaus?
I guarantee Walls is gone next year b/c of Rosenhaus
I suspect DJ will probably hold out next year since he has the devil as well (if he has a good year)
bendog
07-25-2005, 12:58 PM
DJ may have an issue, in that he's been an impact player since his first pre-season game. I agree Walls is gone.
No, I think an organization has to take a real serious issue with players he represents.
I agree. Sooner or later and I think it will be sooner agents and the players that don't realize the agents work for them will be only hurting themselves. Saying that I believe that if the majority (which I don't think it is) want to up their ante then they should go to the union and possibly strike. I say that feeling that something is going to come to a head in the NFL with these early holdouts and demands and such. We'll see. But in the meantime I will stick with being an honorable man and honoring your contract. 1 good season(in Walkers case) does not make you an allstar and don't sign (in TO's case) a 7yr contract and bitch about it after the 1st yr. Shut up and play the greatest sport known to man. You'll get yours if deserved.
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Tredici
07-25-2005, 01:06 PM
No, I think an organization has to take a real serious issue with players he represents. With a no 1 pick and a five year contract, you have to figure it's really a 3 year, and you've got to lowball the initial year because most rooks don't play for ****, and then up the ante for year 3.
A tactic perceived is no tactic at all. So smart GM's (and internet fan posters) figure the guy out. I don't think for a minute Shanahan is afraid of 'ole Drew.
Spider
07-25-2005, 01:10 PM
Oh we need a T.O. ....... Next year when T.O. pulls this stunt with us , we wont be shocked ;D
bendog
07-25-2005, 01:15 PM
Not afraid, but a team has to figure - with no 1 picks - that there's a real good chance you may be cutting a guy after 3 years, or trading him. A guy like Walls, who came cheap is a different issue. Then, assuming Walls actually stays healthy and plays well this year, it comes down to "value." Drew does tend to 'overvalue.' But with Walls, the real deal is that den cannot pay Champ and pay another guy top tier corner money. And that's why Den drafted all those corners. That and there was good depth in the middle rounds at that position.
With DJ, if he plays to probowl level on the SS, then I think Shanny should pay him, because he'll really have overplayed the value of his contract. But, with Javon Walker, that just isn't the case. And that's the real beef with Drew. He flat out lies to his clients about their value, just so he can get more money.
Beantown Bronco
07-25-2005, 01:17 PM
what "big name" players has he put up with that were represented by Rosenhaus?
I guarantee Walls is gone next year b/c of Rosenhaus
I suspect DJ will probably hold out next year since he has the devil as well (if he has a good year)
Drew Rosenhaus isn't DJ's agent as far as I know. It's some guy named Mitch Frankel.
What b-doggie dogg said...
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rbackfactory80
07-25-2005, 01:52 PM
I dont care anymore, just give them a billion dollars a year to play 16 games of football.
I know what your feeling. It gets more irratating every year to me when these guys who have not at least gotten into the last yr. of their contract are trying to hold the team hostage with their demands.
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SoCalBronco
07-25-2005, 02:12 PM
DJ isnt represented by Rosenhaus. He is represented by Tony Fleming.
bendog
07-25-2005, 02:19 PM
DJ isnt represented by Rosenhaus. He is represented by Tony Fleming.
oh, good. Thank heavens in fact.
I could of sworn I heard something about DJ and Rosenarse. I guess I'm mistaken. But that's good news.
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watermock
07-25-2005, 05:02 PM
Outplayed his contract? It's less than one year old and he missed half of the season with a broken leg. Whoever stated he only got 2.5 million last year is mistaken, he got closer to 9. He got big money last year. He's a certified prick only trumped by his agent. Rosenhause doen't get a dime unless he gets a new contract. How do you "outplay" the first year of a contract where you make close to ten million and sit out with a broken leg for the second half?
jossjeff
07-25-2005, 06:33 PM
Good to see 'ol Mock is in midseason form. :D
On one hand he is in the 2nd year of a long term contract that must have seemed sufficient at the time. It's real easy to argue the "you signed the contract honor it" card.
Realistically though we all know it doesn't work that way. Portis got paid and others will too. Besides NFL contracts are not guaranteed and I think we can all agree that T.O. won't be anywhere near the Eagles when that long term contact runs out. The NFL is not the NBA and players are cut pretty much the second a G.M. figures out how to replace him with a younger or cheaper player. A part of me understands an NFL player with a limited shelf life trying to get everything he can while his value is high. Another point I'd make is that there are few true difference makers in the NFL and I think Owens is one of them.
Guess I'm old school though, I just can't deal with the attempt at renegotiation after a single season no matter how good the player is or what he means to the team. Philly was good before Owens got there, they would be good if he didn't play this season but in Philly being good is no longer good enough. Let's face it, trying to force the next step is what got the Eagles in trouble here in the first place.
He should honor his contract but if he keeps up his current act he may force the Eagles hand. A few more shots at McNabb (like him or not the "company man" line was amusing) and the Eagles may be willing to take that monster cap hit just to be rid of him.
The Eagles have been the near model organization over the past several years, how they choose to handle this situation will be very interesting.
watermock
07-25-2005, 06:42 PM
If you want to know the real bottom line, it's that Rosenhaus won't get dime one unless TO signs a new contract.
The idea Rosenhaus is looking out for T.O. is like assuming the Fuhrer was looking out for the Hitler Youth. That creep doen't get a dime unless he can get an new contract. That's why there is a split. The guy is such a weasle it's unreal.
Hogan11
07-25-2005, 07:28 PM
And according to Essssspin...he'll be in camp.
Boooooooooooo
yavoon
07-25-2005, 07:39 PM
a couple of things:
1)TO is a cancer
2)TO is an enormous competitor
3)TO had a bad contract(the nflpa advised him not to sign it), maybe of his own doing, but still true.
the bottom line from my POV though is I WANT to see the eagles w/o TO. this argument has no bite if he just plays. plus, **** the eagles.
watermock
07-25-2005, 07:40 PM
As a HornHead fan, I could care less if T.O. does, or doesn't report.
Sprout
07-25-2005, 09:13 PM
If you want to know the real bottom line, it's that Rosenhaus won't get dime one unless TO signs a new contract.
He's got to be on some kind of retainer, however modest compared to the eventual jackpot.
Sprout
07-25-2005, 09:18 PM
If you want to know the real bottom line, it's that Rosenhaus won't get dime one unless TO signs a new contract.
But I do agree with the basic point...
Mediator12
07-25-2005, 09:27 PM
a couple of things:
1)TO is a cancer
2)TO is an enormous competitor
3)TO had a bad contract(the nflpa advised him not to sign it), maybe of his own doing, but still true.
the bottom line from my POV though is I WANT to see the eagles w/o TO. this argument has no bite if he just plays. plus, **** the eagles.
And I thought we would never agree on any two points of an argument! :undecided
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/3832712
Green Bays stockholders don't want the Pack to give in to Walker and Walker is now saying he'll be there.
Eagles and Packers: We're all in
T.O., Walker and Rosenarse: Fold :) (at least it seems that way at the moment)
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