Preseason rankings: AFC

[Rocket 7]

I think were too low and Cincy is too high http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-afcrankings072205&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[-Slap-]

Man, it really shows how tough the conference is right now. Philly, Carolina, Atlanta and Minnesota are the only NFC teams that would even contend for playoffs spots in the AFC.

[Priest Dante]

I predict these things are pointless.

[Mediator12]

The guy lost me as soon as he predicted that having an offensive coordinator is overrated and the Pats will not suffer from it.

[Merlin]

What a bonehead! As if Cinci at #5 is not bad enough, he rates Buff at #9 even though they could not compete with the 3 stringers at Pitt (and the playoffs on the line) and the off is going to be worst this year. Then he has the Raiders at 11 and ahead of KC. Not only do the Raiders have an inferior D to KC, but they also have an inferior O (since when does Moss turn a team all by himself? The Vikes had him and they had a better QB than the Raiders and never were better than KC). And last but not least, Miami at 14 ??? Whatever he is drinking, I would like to try some.

Merlin

[eddie mac]

Who gives a **** what some no-name geek says.

[Tombstone RJ]

Wow, he has no respect for the AFCW.

[TheChamp247]

at least hes the smartes of these so called nfl experts and only puts the chargers ahead of us instead of having us at the bottom of the AFC west. still a bunch of **** though

[gunns]

Wow, he has no respect for the AFCW.

Buffalo before Denver with a 1st year QB? Every one is speculating how that D line will be and I for one love the disrespect, makes what happens when they're proven wrong all that much sweeter.

[SoCalBronco]

Chargers too high.
Bengals too high (although they will contend for a wildcard berth)
Jets too high.
Steelers a tad too high.
Ravens too low.
Jacksonville just about right, perhaps a tad too low.
Buffalo too low.
Denver too low. Id put them around 6th or 7th.
Oakland and KC too low.
Houston too low.

[Jason in LA]

This guy pretty much did a copy and paste job on his Bronco write up, just like every other so-called writer. The Brown's D line sucked. Rice is old. Hey, he forgot about Clarret. He must not of done his homework.

I'm sick of hearing about Rice like he was brought in to be an impact player, or a player that puts the Broncos over the top. He was brought in to fill out the training camp roster. He's there to fight for a spot, not to lead the Broncos to the Super Bowl.

These morons don't realize that the Broncos had a really bad D line last year. They act like these guys are going to turn a good defense into a bad defense. The D line wasn't good last year but the D was still good. These players are better than what was there last year.

Ah, I'm preaching to the choir. We'll all sit back and laugh at these jokers when the Broncos are in the playoffs.

[TheNextStep]

(since when does Moss turn a team all by himself? The Vikes had him and they had a better QB than the Raiders and never were better than KC).

Moss turned a team all by himself on the very day he was born. Yeah, he's an a$$hole... but you've got to recognize just how amazing the guy is as a receiver.

Oh, and yes, the Vikes were better than KC with Moss on board. They did, after all, win 4 playoff games.

[Rausch]

If you want to dog KC or find a reason to leave them out of the playoffs you can find a couple good one's. The defense has talent but but will they gel? Will they play as a team? Can the offensive line stay healhty yet again all year?

But to say that the offense will fail because of Priest Holmes and Trent Green is laughable. It's downright moronic.

I also love how the Colts have done nothing to improve on defense yet, magically, they're going to improve. WTF ever.

The Bills flat out suck. Terrible. Jacksonville is a team that could really turn around this year, and so could the Bengals, but a top 10 team? Doubt it.

The Raiders being that high is also laughable...

[SoCalBronco]

If you want to dog KC or find a reason to leave them out of the playoffs you can find a couple good one's. The defense has talent but but will they gel? Will they play as a team? Can the offensive line stay healhty yet again all year?

But to say that the offense will fail because of Priest Holmes and Trent Green is laughable. It's downright moronic.

I also love how the Colts have done nothing to improve on defense yet, magically, they're going to improve. WTF ever.

The Bills flat out suck. Terrible. Jacksonville is a team that could really turn around this year, and so could the Bengals, but a top 10 team? Doubt it.

The Raiders being that high is also laughable...

Right now, ive got KC with a razor thin lead on the rest of division but its really close. I believe San Diego is still the best team, but only by an extremely small margin over the other three, but their schedule is the most difficult of the four. All four AFC West teams i think are around the 5-7 spot in terms of talent. We are all somewhat above average teams but not in the truly elite 3 or 4 team category. If KC acquires a healthy Ty Law, id place them fourth overall, behind NE, Indy and Baltimore and ahead of Pittsburgh. You unfairly discount Jacksonville. Without any offense at all, they were on the brink of the playoff tournament. They have the best defensive line in the AFC. Their offense is still a concern but their defense will continue to shut people down and they will continue to be in 20-16 games even if their offense sucks. Buffalo is a fine club that was on a tear last season. Losman will have his struggles but he has some good weapons. Roscoe Parrish should be a good slot WR target and return man, but i dont know if his 170 lb. frame can take the beating in the NFL and he has a troubling tendency to hold the ball out with one hand. The Bills have a good defense although the loss of Pat Williams will definitely hurt. They are an above average team.

[Rausch]

Right now, ive got KC with a razor thin lead on the rest of division but its really close. I believe San Diego is still the best team, but only by an extremely small margin over the other three, but their schedule is the most difficult of the four. All four AFC West teams i think are around the 5-7 spot in terms of talent. We are all somewhat above average teams but not in the truly elite 3 or 4 team category. If KC acquires a healthy Ty Law, id place them fourth overall, behind NE, Indy and Baltimore and ahead of Pittsburgh. You unfairly discount Jacksonville. Without any offense at all, they were on the brink of the playoff tournament. They have the best defensive line in the AFC. Their offense is still a concern but their defense will continue to shut people down and they will continue to be in 20-16 games even if their offense sucks. Buffalo is a fine club that was on a tear last season. Losman will have his struggles but he has some good weapons. Roscoe Parrish should be a good slot WR target and return man, but i dont know if his 170 lb. frame can take the beating in the NFL and he has a troubling tendency to hold the ball out with one hand. The Bills have a good defense although the loss of Pat Williams will definitely hurt. They are an above average team.

I think this year is boom or bust for KC.

Either these moves pay off and we have a top 10 defense or our inablilty to come together as a defense holds us back and we suck but again. I don't see a middle ground with this team. It's 11-5 or 5-11.

I honestly don't see how the Raiders compete. KC has pretty well detailed how a great offense and horrid defense works. Not very well.

I think the Chargers will again be good. No worse than 2nd, unless Tomlinson or Gates or some major players go down for an extended period.

I see the Donks just like the Chiefs. Boom or Bust. All those defensive line additions will give you a fierce pass rush or a horrible waste of roster and cap space.

I'd agree that it's going to be very close. A three horse race IMO. But I don't see a wild card comming out of this division this year. I think it's just going to be too tough, and only the division winner gets a playoff spot.

[Sarcastro]

Moss turned a team all by himself on the very day he was born. Yeah, he's an a$$hole... but you've got to recognize just how amazing the guy is as a receiver.

Oh, and yes, the Vikes were better than KC with Moss on board. They did, after all, win 4 playoff games.

Total bull****. The last three seasons Minn's offense has not been anywhere near KCs.

To explain further, lets investigate Minnesota's and KC's teams the last three seasons. Before I actually present the statistics it should be noted that the NFC North has basically been worse then the AFC-W for the last three seasons.

First lets look at the year 2002:

KC: #1 offense in ppg at 29.2 ppg
#28 defense at 24.9 ppg
8-8 record

Minnesota: #8 offense at 24.4 ppg
#30 defense at 27.6 ppg
6-10 record

Lets move on to 2003:

KC: #1 offense at 30.3 ppg
#19 defense at 20.8 ppg
13-3 record

Minnesota: #6 offense at 26.0 ppg
#23 defense at 22.1 ppg
9-7 record

Finally here we are at 2004:

KC: #2 offense at 30.2 ppg
#29 defense 27.2 ppg
7-9 record

Minnesota: #6 offense at 25.3 ppg
#26 defense at 24.7 ppg
8-8 record

The statistics speak for itself. At no time in recent history was the Moss and Culpepper Minnesota offense been on the same level as the Chief's O.

[Kaylore]

Total bull****. The last three seasons Minn's offense has not been anywhere near KCs.
And Culpepper seemed to do just fine when Moss was nursing his hammy.

[SoCalBronco]

I think this year is boom or bust for KC.

Either these moves pay off and we have a top 10 defense or our inablilty to come together as a defense holds us back and we suck but again. I don't see a middle ground with this team. It's 11-5 or 5-11.

I honestly don't see how the Raiders compete. KC has pretty well detailed how a great offense and horrid defense works. Not very well.

I think the Chargers will again be good. No worse than 2nd, unless Tomlinson or Gates or some major players go down for an extended period.

I see the Donks just like the Chiefs. Boom or Bust. All those defensive line additions will give you a fierce pass rush or a horrible waste of roster and cap space.

I'd agree that it's going to be very close. A three horse race IMO. But I don't see a wild card comming out of this division this year. I think it's just going to be too tough, and only the division winner gets a playoff spot.

It will be hard for the wildcard to come out of the west. All four teams schedules are hard. I believe the absolute peak for any team in terms of win, due to the schedule is 11 victories. The likely division champion i believe will be 10-6. I think no team in the West will win fewer than 7 games. Its likely in my opinion, the last place team is 8-8. I honestly believe that the division champion and the last place team will be seperated by either 2 or 3 games. Because no one is going to have an awesome record as the 2nd place team, getting in will be hard. We are all basically battling for 1 spot i agree. I think Baltimore and Pittsburgh both get in, with Baltimore as the division champion. That leaves 1 wildcard position. The 2nd place team in the West would have to overcome not only a talented defensive team in Jacksonville, but the up and coming Bills, the playoff tested Jets (although i think they will have a down year) and up and coming Houston and Cincinnati. We gotta basically beat out every one of these teams and its going to be hard to do that with each of our schedules. Its real hard.

I really think Oakland will be decent. They'll average around 26 or 27 a contest. Their defense is very suspect, but i think rookie Anttaj Hawthorne will really help their defensive line, especially in stopping the run. I think with 26-27 PPG, they will find a way to get to at least .500, but like the rest of the division, schedule is too hard to go too much better than .500, maybe 2 wins better tops, just like the other three teams.

[Rausch]

Total bull****. The last three seasons Minn's offense has not been anywhere near KCs.

And KC probably has the worst starting WR's (no, I'm not including Gonzo) in the AFCW...

[Sarcastro]

I don't see San Diego winning the division this season. They have a brutal schedule and could easily be 2-6 on the road.

And KC probably has the worst starting WR's (no, I'm not including Gonzo) in the AFCW...

Hopefully Parker, Boe, and whoever else (Mitchell :kiddingme ) can pick up our WR corps this year.

[ZachKC]

Who gives a **** what some no-name geek says.
We have been through this before... Ha!

[watermock]

These clowns have written off the Browncos before camp even starts. They act like they are the only DL on the team. The fact is Pryce, Davis and Ellis all come off injury. I love the assertion that by mid-season they will be considered average at best. Who says they will even be starters? Plus, we traded Middlebrooks for that guy with the funny name. I'm pretty convinced the DL will be remarkably improved this year.

It's like that other clown that said we brought in Patterson to coach the Browncos, when it was the exact opposite happened. Patterson was hired before any of this even came down. The Browncos weren't brought in to be saviors, or we wouldn't of made the Middlebrooks trade. They were brought in to compete for a 4th rounder and a 3rd string RB that while a good player, wanted to move on and knew that it's Bell's job to lose, and wasn't fond of playing FB.

Everyone is so down on the Broncos, I'm actually amazed he has them ranked 10th. Cincy at #5 is so absurd it's ludicrous. They might be improved, but give me a break. That puts them in the AFC Divisional finals.

[Spider]

All this guy did was take what everyone else has been saying , and rank em .Got published I didnt see much depth at all in his ranking .....
For example the Browncos , Denver is going to find out what clevelnad already knows , Blah ,Blah,Blah .....
First off the Browncos will have different roles here , with depth .......
Then we have to look at the Browns defensive schemes .....Browns were going from a slower cover 2 , to a more attacking style of D , it is a wonder these guys were lost ?
Take Randy Moss joining the Raiders .... Sure it will sell tickets , gives Raiders fan a delusion of grandure on offense , and Lamont Jordan will be interesting , but I see the Raiders as the AFC version of the vikings , Maybe Turner wants to run Jordan out of a spread formation , but in the redzone things get harder .....
Like I say this guy that did those rankings propbably blew someone to get published ......

[Spider]

These clowns have written off the Browncos before camp even starts. They act like they are the only DL on the team. The fact is Pryce, Davis and Ellis all come off injury. I love the assertion that by mid-season they will be considered average at best. Who says they will even be starters? Plus, we traded Middlebrooks for that guy with the funny name. I'm pretty convinced the DL will be remarkably improved this year.

It's like that other clown that said we brought in Patterson to coach the Browncos, when it was the exact opposite happened. Patterson was hired before any of this even came down. The Browncos weren't brought in to be saviors, or we wouldn't of made the Middlebrooks trade. They were brought in to compete for a 4th rounder and a 3rd string RB that while a good player, wanted to move on and knew that it's Bell's job to lose, and wasn't fond of playing FB.

Everyone is so down on the Broncos, I'm actually amazed he has them ranked 10th. Cincy at #5 is so absurd it's ludicrous. They might be improved, but give me a break. That puts them in the AFC Divisional finals.

good point Mock .... ;D

[watermock]

It wasn't a hammy that slowed Moss in Minnesota, altho that's been a continuing problem for him, it's been a very chronic ankle that has bothered him for years and isn't going away. It has alot to do with his "taking plays off" as much as his attitude. It's both. I have watched the guy for two years since I moved back from Florida, and I'm telling you, he will run hard on it if his number is called, but if he's not the primary, he tended to take plays off. He never blocked downfield. Moss gave 100 percent on perhaps 15 plays a game. I get every HornHead game where I am, and most Bronco games on cable. I think I got 12 Bronco games last year, every HornHead game. Only when the Vikings and Broncos were in the same time slot did I miss some games, usually early.

Anyway, T.O. and Moss must of been seperated at birth and adopted.

[rbackfactory80]

Chargers too high.
Bengals too high (although they will contend for a wildcard berth)
Jets too high.
Steelers a tad too high.
Ravens too low.
Jacksonville just about right, perhaps a tad too low.
Buffalo too low.
Denver too low. Id put them around 6th or 7th.
Oakland and KC too low.
Houston too low.

Jets not to high
Houston not to low

[NFLBRONCO]

Denver has alot to prove so I agree with # 10 ranking. Just because they post this it still comes down to Denver proving all season they are legit. Our 2nd half meltdowns last few years factor in it I bet.

[TheNextStep]

Total bull****. The last three seasons Minn's offense has not been anywhere near KCs.

To explain further, lets investigate Minnesota's and KC's teams the last three seasons. Before I actually present the statistics it should be noted that the NFC North has basically been worse then the AFC-W for the last three seasons.

First lets look at the year 2002:

KC: #1 offense in ppg at 29.2 ppg
#28 defense at 24.9 ppg
8-8 record

Minnesota: #8 offense at 24.4 ppg
#30 defense at 27.6 ppg
6-10 record

Lets move on to 2003:

KC: #1 offense at 30.3 ppg
#19 defense at 20.8 ppg
13-3 record

Minnesota: #6 offense at 26.0 ppg
#23 defense at 22.1 ppg
9-7 record

Finally here we are at 2004:

KC: #2 offense at 30.2 ppg
#29 defense 27.2 ppg
7-9 record

Minnesota: #6 offense at 25.3 ppg
#26 defense at 24.7 ppg
8-8 record

The statistics speak for itself. At no time in recent history was the Moss and Culpepper Minnesota offense been on the same level as the Chief's O.

That's a wonderful statistical breakdown.
















How many playoff games has Kansas City won since Randy Moss entered the league? How many playoff games has Minnesota won since Randy Moss entered the league?

I think that pretty much says that it is Kansas City that isn't on Minnesota's level. One team can win in the post-season, the other can't. You tell me which level is higher.

[Sarcastro]

That's a wonderful statistical breakdown.
















How many playoff games has Kansas City won since Randy Moss entered the league? How many playoff games has Minnesota won since Randy Moss entered the league?

I think that pretty much says that it is Kansas City that isn't on Minnesota's level. One team can win in the post-season, the other can't. You tell me which level is higher.

One team is in a completely different situation then the other. You are not making a valid argument for Minnesota's offense being better at any time during the last three seasons. Baltimore won the SuperBowl not too long ago. Was their offense at that time better then the Chiefs has been in the last three seasons?

[TheNextStep]

I never said that Minnesota's offense was better. I said Minnesota had a better team.

[Bronx33]

I'am tired of new england.........

[Sarcastro]

I never said that Minnesota's offense was better. I said Minnesota had a better team.

So how does Moss enter into this then? Did the Raiders trade divisions with the Vikings too?

[TheNextStep]

Go look and see what Randy Moss has done in the post-season. The guy is a big game player.

[Rausch]

I think that pretty much says that it is Kansas City that isn't on Minnesota's level. One team can win in the post-season, the other can't. You tell me which level is higher.

Is this a joke?

The only team in the NFL to have more wasted playoff births than KC over the last 20 years is the Vikings.

[Arkie]

1. New England Patriots
2. Indianapolis Colts
3. New York Jets
4. Pittsburgh Steelers
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/nfl/teams/1/50x50c/den.gif 5. Denver Broncos
6. Jacksonville Jaguars
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/nfl/teams/1/50x50c/sdg.gif 7. San Diego Chargers
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/nfl/teams/1/50x50c/kan.gif 8. Kansas City Chiefs
9. Baltimore Ravens
10. Buffalo Bills
11. Cincinnati Bengals
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/nfl/teams/1/50x50c/oak.gif 12. Oakland Raiders
13. Tennessee Titans
14. Miami Dolphins
15. Houston Texans
16. Cleveland Browns

[Rausch]

1. New England Patriots
2. Indianapolis Colts
3. New York Jets
4. Pittsburgh Steelers
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/nfl/teams/1/50x50c/den.gif 5. Denver Broncos
6. Jacksonville Jaguars
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/nfl/teams/1/50x50c/sdg.gif 7. San Diego Chargers
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/nfl/teams/1/50x50c/kan.gif 8. Kansas City Chiefs
9. Baltimore Ravens
10. Buffalo Bills
11. Cincinnati Bengals
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/nfl/teams/1/50x50c/oak.gif 12. Oakland Raiders
13. Tennessee Titans
14. Miami Dolphins
15. Houston Texans
16. Cleveland Browns

Seems a helluva' lot more reasonable to me than the article in the link...

Only change I'd make would be to put the Texans above the Phins, who aren't even a top 20 team IMO...

[watermock]

Go look and see what Randy Moss has done in the post-season. The guy is a big game player.

That is a total assertion. He's made big catches, but hasn't made big game catches, why not name one then? How amusing. He's made several regular season game winning catches, but since the Vikings haven't reached more than the Divisional Finals, it's almost pathetic.

Name one catch other than perhaps in 98 against Atlanta, which they eventually blew. Your a fool. Give me an examble of a Moss big play in big games. They can't even make it to the conference championship game yet alone win it, and your sucking his balls. He's a slacker, you will find out.

[TheNextStep]

That is a total assertion. He's made big catches, but hasn't made big game catches, why not name one then? How amusing. He's made several regular season game winning catches, but since the Vikings haven't reached more than the Divisional Finals, it's almost pathetic.

Name one catch other than perhaps in 98 against Atlanta, which they eventually blew. Your a fool. Give me an examble of a Moss big play in big games. They can't even make it to the conference championship game yet alone win it, and your sucking his balls. He's a slacker, you will find out.

In 8 playoff games, Randy Moss has 35 receptions, 723 yards, and 9 touchdowns. That's more yards and touchdowns than Rod Smith has had in 10 post-season games. Additionally, Randy Moss has had 3 100+ yard post-season games. Rod Smith has had exactly 1. Further, Randy Moss has had 3 post-season games where he scored 2 receiving touchdowns. Rod Smith has never had any.

In only two post-season games did Randy Moss fail to gain at least 70 yards and score at least one touchdown.

So... yes, I'm saying that Randy Moss comes to play in the post-season

[watermock]

Dream on.

He's always come up short in critical situations. Go dream. That means he has 4.5 receptions right?

I have seen him play, he takes plays off. His ankle is shot, You are not obligated to belive me.

This has nothing to do with Rod Smith you dimwit. Tell me what this has to do about Rod Smith since you brought him up, it's irrekveabt totally. Talk about a crutch.

[Breck Bronc]

Name one catch other than perhaps in 98 against Atlanta, which they eventually blew. Your a fool. Give me an examble of a Moss big play in big games. http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/packer/img/rev/jan05/5pack109.jpg
You don't have to go very far into the past.

[-Slap-]

In 8 playoff games, Randy Moss has 35 receptions, 723 yards, and 9 touchdowns. That's more yards and touchdowns than Rod Smith has had in 10 post-season games. Additionally, Randy Moss has had 3 100+ yard post-season games. Rod Smith has had exactly 1. Further, Randy Moss has had 3 post-season games where he scored 2 receiving touchdowns. Rod Smith has never had any.

In only two post-season games did Randy Moss fail to gain at least 70 yards and score at least one touchdown.

So... yes, I'm saying that Randy Moss comes to play in the post-season

By Randy's own admission, he plays when he feels like it. I guess its those periods when his motivation wanes that tend to cancerize the old lockerroom.

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/5702/011605mossdrop4js.jpg

[rbackfactory80]

Seems a helluva' lot more reasonable to me than the article in the link...

Only change I'd make would be to put the Texans above the Phins, who aren't even a top 20 team IMO...

A lot of hype for the texans this year, I don't see it.

[Rausch]

A lot of hype for the texans this year, I don't see it.

I've got a lot of respect for Capers, and they've slowly put a pretty talented offense together. It's young, and they need to turn that talent into consistent production, but they hang tough and don't fold.

I don't think they're that far behind teams like the Jaguars or Bengals...

[Sarcastro]

1. New England Patriots
2. Indianapolis Colts
3. New York Jets
4. Pittsburgh Steelers
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/nfl/teams/1/50x50c/den.gif 5. Denver Broncos
6. Jacksonville Jaguars
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/nfl/teams/1/50x50c/sdg.gif 7. San Diego Chargers
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/nfl/teams/1/50x50c/kan.gif 8. Kansas City Chiefs
9. Baltimore Ravens
10. Buffalo Bills
11. Cincinnati Bengals
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/sp/v/nfl/teams/1/50x50c/oak.gif 12. Oakland Raiders
13. Tennessee Titans
14. Miami Dolphins
15. Houston Texans
16. Cleveland Browns

Switch Denver and the Chargers and I am fine with that ranking. There is isn't really any reason to put the Broncos ahead of the Chargers at this point. I am not saying it is not possible for the Broncos to have a better team this season. I am saying that neither team has done anything this offseason to earn Denver being regarded as the better team.

[-Slap-]

I think the Texans biggest weakness is at number two receiver. Gaffney and Bradford simply don't take any pressure off Andre Johnson and the running game struggles against physical defenses.

[TheNextStep]

Dream on.

He's always come up short in critical situations. Go dream. That means he has 4.5 receptions right?

I have seen him play, he takes plays off. His ankle is shot, You are not obligated to belive me.

This has nothing to do with Rod Smith you dimwit. Tell me what this has to do about Rod Smith since you brought him up, it's irrekveabt totally. Talk about a crutch.


You cannot argue his numbers in the post-season. Great... you've seen him play... but apparently you don't know what you're looking at if you can't see that those post-season numbers show that the guys shows up in big games.

I compared him to Rod Smith because Rod Smith is typically looked upon on this board as a "clutch" receiver. Given the nature of my claim that Randy shows up in big games, it seemed a relevant comparison to make. If you are too dense or too drunk to recognize that, that's your problem, not mine.

Go sober up, mock. You're an a$$hole when you've been drinking.

[Pendejo]

In 8 playoff games, Randy Moss has 35 receptions, 723 yards, and 9 touchdowns. That's more yards and touchdowns than Rod Smith has had in 10 post-season games. Additionally, Randy Moss has had 3 100+ yard post-season games. Rod Smith has had exactly 1. Further, Randy Moss has had 3 post-season games where he scored 2 receiving touchdowns. Rod Smith has never had any.

In only two post-season games did Randy Moss fail to gain at least 70 yards and score at least one touchdown.

So... yes, I'm saying that Randy Moss comes to play in the post-season

This really has nothing to do with anything...I don't care about Randy Moss...but you mentioned Rod Smith's one 100 yard plus receiving game in the playoffs...and I was just wondering if you'd go ahead and tell us which game it was, and what the result of that game turned out to be.

[Rashid242]

In 8 playoff games, Randy Moss has 35 receptions, 723 yards, and 9 touchdowns. That's more yards and touchdowns than Rod Smith has had in 10 post-season games. Additionally, Randy Moss has had 3 100+ yard post-season games. Rod Smith has had exactly 1. Further, Randy Moss has had 3 post-season games where he scored 2 receiving touchdowns. Rod Smith has never had any.

In only two post-season games did Randy Moss fail to gain at least 70 yards and score at least one touchdown.

So... yes, I'm saying that Randy Moss comes to play in the post-season

This isn't about dissing Rod Smith who did his part to help the Bronco's win Super Bowls.

Moss maybe a headcase but he's a great player & a Hall of Famer. Those numbers speak for itself.

[wabbit]

It's pretty clear to me that analysts, sportswriters & broadcasters don't believe the Browns acquisitions will help Denver...some believe...in a couple of rather heated discussions...they may actually hurt.

Over this weekend, I've had the chance to discuss several upcoming camps &
team issues facing multiple franchises...with another roundtable this upcoming week, and all I ever get from these rather lively debates is the feeling that everyone really isn't sure how all the off-season turmult will affect their respective teams...including Denver.

How's that for fence walking?

I can tell you the Cleveland media is split right down the middle on the departures of Courtney Brown & Michael Myers...specifically.

It seems No-one there has much regard for Gerard Warren..so, when he burned his bridges, he apparently burned 'em to the ground. "He'll have some success & celebrate the rest of the season" was one particular comment.

Jake Plummer is held in relatively low regard by just about everyone...except, interestingly enough, coaches in Kansas City, Oakland & San Diego (& Denver of course)...some interesting quotes coming from these coaching staffs...offensive & defensive...then again...what else are they going to say?

A coaches poll will be coming out...I'm not sure when...a polling of coaches in all divisions & conferences (USA Today...most likely in their NFL Preview Edition out the week before the beginning of the reg season), but, obviously, the interest here is the AFC West...The poll has already been taken of course, and if you could somehow bottle the collective energy from all the backslapping, it could rock your ear drums like a rocket launch...I heard only a small part of the tape which was compiled over a month & a half.

"You clearly are the best...no, no, you've upgraded everywhere...real trouble from that Moss kid...No, Denver's new defense could be deadly..."

You get the idea

Consensus, as I jotted down notes was that San Diego remains the favorite among AFC West coaching staffs, with Kansas City & Denver battling for a wild card...Oakland bringing up the rear.

Like I said, outside of Denver, virtually no-one (speaking generally in a big way for sports pros all over) believes the Browncos can turn it around...or, at least on a consistent basis...save for Michael Myers.

I tend to believe they're wrong, and said as much, but, there's not a lot of faith outside of Broncoland...we'll see.

Interesting tid-bits I picked up:

Mike Shanahan really is under some pressure to produce this year...like, beyond the first round of the play-offs...schedule be damned.

Dick Vermeil has told Lamar Hunt that he's uncertain about anything beyond this year, but that, if close, he may like to come back...(KC Star)

Marty Shottenheimer wants that Super Bowl...bad...and has made some lofty promises he's going to have to fulfill.

Norv Turner says he expects some young guns on defense to surprise everybody this year, and that the Raider defense will be "solid"

Sorry about the generalizations, but some of the specifics are what put food on the table, so I have to hold back some.

On to camp...one thing is absolutely certain...this season may exceed all our expectations (good & bad) in intrigue, rise & fall...and most certainly...outcome.

[Cito Pelon]

Going to be an interesting year in the AFC. I'm looking forward to what the Broncs will do. I think the team and the coaching staff are looking pretty good. Probably a top-five team.

They're going to compete more strongly this year. What it comes down to is the Broncos will be tougher to defeat this year.

1 Sun Sep.11 at Miami Dolphins Stadium 01:00 PM EDT CBS
2 Sun Sep.18 SAN DIEGO INVESCO Field at Mile High 02:15 PM MDT CBS
3 Mon Sep.26 KANSAS CITY INVESCO Field at Mile High 07:00 PM MDT ABC
4 Sun Oct. 2 at Jacksonville ALLTEL Stadium 01:00 PM EDT CBS
5 Sun Oct. 9 WASHINGTON INVESCO Field at Mile High 02:15 PM MDT FOX
6 Sun Oct.16 NEW ENGLAND INVESCO Field at Mile High 02:15 PM MDT CBS
7 Sun Oct.23 at New York Giants Giants Stadium 04:15 PM EDT CBS
8 Sun Oct.30 PHILADELPHIA INVESCO Field at Mile High 02:15 PM MST FOX
9 BYE WEEK
10 Sun Nov.13 at Oakland McAfee Coliseum 01:05 PM PST CBS
11 Sun Nov.20 NEW YORK JETS INVESCO Field at Mile High 02:15 PM MST CBS
12 Thu Nov.24 at Dallas Texas Stadium 03:15 PM CST CBS
13 Sun Dec. 4 at Kansas City Arrowhead Stadium 03:15 PM CST CBS
14 Sun Dec.11 BALTIMORE INVESCO Field at Mile High 02:15 PM MST CBS
15 Sat Dec.17 at Buffalo Ralph Wilson Stadium 08:30 PM EST ESPN
16 Sat Dec.24 OAKLAND INVESCO Field at Mile High 02:15 PM MST CBS
17 Sat Dec.31 at San Diego Qualcomm Stadium 01:30 PM PST CBS

Teams like the Jags, Jets, Bills, Baltimore, Dolphins, teams that are trying to get their feet under them again for respect or renewed respect, I think are going to find it very difficult to get a victory against Denver.

Teams like NE and Philly, defending Conference Champs, I think will be defeated by the Broncs handily.

12-4, 13-3 is right there to grab.

[ZachKC]

12-4, 13-3 is right there to grab.
Hilarious!

[Cito Pelon]

BTW, this "INVESCO Field at Mile High" garbage has to go. I think targeting the 2006 season for at minimum "Mile High Field at INVESCO" is not unreasonable.

Anybody with me?

[Paladin]

Personally, I'd like it to just be "Mile High Stadium."

[Dukes]

Personally, I'd like it to just be "Mile High Stadium."
:thumbsup:

[Bronx33]

Personally, I'd like it to just be "Mile High Stadium."

YEP!

[Mr. Trout]

Bengals, Jags, and Bills too high

[Cito Pelon]

Personally, I'd like it to just be "Mile High Stadium."

That is the ultimate goal, yes.

The reason I said "Mile High Field at INVESCO" is because that may be a necessary first step. Depending on how much the buyout is. There will have to be a buyout I'm assuming.

It's getting irritating more and more to hear "Invesco, Invesco, Invesco" all the time when the TV and radio broadcasts start.

[gunns]

Mike Shanahan really is under some pressure to produce this year...like, beyond the first round of the play-offs...schedule be damned.

In this day and age of football you are expected to win. I would lose respect for Bowlen if he were thinking anything else. You can't keep going in this league because of what you've done in the past. Teams like KC are happy to get into the playoffs. When I used to watch the Broncos pre-Elway and pre-SB wins I was thrilled being in the playoffs. If we didn't win at least we got there. Well we've tasted the ultimate prize and should we be satisfied with a team you teases at getting there year after year? As Elway said Shanahan had some rebuilding to do. Well it's been 6 1/2 years, the rebuilding should be done. It's time to stop the rationalization and start with the "what have you done for me lately".

[ZachKC]

Teams like KC are happy to get into the playoffs.
That is just not true...