Nuggets Tidbits... Re: Nene Trade, Jaric Visit

[RhymesayersDU]

Part 1: Nene Trade Rumor

I pulled this off another board, so take it for what it's worth:

On Chad Ford Insider, it was said that the Nuggets and Bucks were in talks of trading Nene in exchange for Desmond Mason. It's only a rumor though.

Part 2: Jaric Visiting Denver

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/36747/19691231/jaric_scheduled_to_visit_nuggets/

Rocky Mountain News - Seeking to bolster their backcourt, the Denver Nuggets tentatively are scheduled to meet with restricted free agent Marko Jaric on Tuesday at the Pepsi Center.

Jaric, a 6-foot-7, 217-pound combo guard, would be the first free agent to visit Denver since the recruiting period began July 1.

[FADERPROOF]

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[RhymesayersDU]

In other news, LeBron James stubbed his toe in his Cleveland mansion today. We will be following this story all day, with updates to be run every 15 minutes on SportsCenter later this afternoon.

Steven A. Smith is being helicoptered in to get an interview as we speak!

[Ray Finkle]

In other news, LeBron James stubbed his toe in his Cleveland mansion today. We will be following this story all day, with updates to be run every 15 minutes on SportsCenter later this afternoon.

Steven A. Smith is being helicoptered in to get an interview as we speak!


LOL!

[Tombstone RJ]

I want the Nugz to keep Nene... but if they trade him, I want him to go East.

[RhymesayersDU]

I'm down on Nene, so I wouldn't mind the move... I don't know, he shows flashes of great play at times, and is horrible at others... I think this year will be his last... If he doesn't produce, he'll be moved by the trade deadline.

[FADERPROOF]

In other news, LeBron James stubbed his toe in his Cleveland mansion today. We will be following this story all day, with updates to be run every 15 minutes on SportsCenter later this afternoon.

Steven A. Smith is being helicoptered in to get an interview as we speak!

Bout time they got their priorities straight.

[Clockwork Orange]

The Nuggets do not need Desmon Mason, they need a shooter.

I'm convinced that Kiki is waiting for Michael Finley, a move that could backfire.

[RhymesayersDU]

The Nuggets do not need Desmon Mason, they need a shooter.

I'm convinced that Kiki is waiting for Michael Finley, a move that could backfire.
This is a good point. I'm all for moving Nene, but this trade seems kind of pointless. I'd love it if we traded him for a shooter.

But on the same thought, I'd love Finley to be on our team.

[BroncoMatt]

anyone have a current like to the nuggets proboard or is it gone? I had it bookmarked but now I just get a proboard homepage

[leon_d]

http://nuggets.proboards1.com/

[Nuggets4]

Jaric has been (will be I guess) traded to Cleveland.

As for the Nene deal, I don't remember seeing that on Insider, I'll have to look again. Seems like we could get more for him, but I like Mason.

[Scarface]

"Calvin (Memphis, TN): Chad, what exactly are the Bucks thinking with the signing of Bobby Simmons? The guy wanted a starting gig and Mil. already has 2 quality G/F's locked up (Redd and Des Mason). Wouldn't they have been smarter to go after a low post scorer like Shareef Abdur Rahim or even Stro Swift?"

"Chad Ford: They tried. Abdur Rahim turned down a 5 year, $47 million offer to play there. By signing Simmons, the team now has the flexibility to move Desmond Mason if the right deal comes along. One possibility might be Denver. George Karl loves Mason and might be willing to swap Nene to get him. Nene would be a perfect fit in Milwaukee. The only problem for Denver (and it's a big one) is that the Nuggets wouldn't have back-up for Marcus Camby. I think they'd have to find a viable back-up first before they could make a trade like that. "

[RhymesayersDU]

Clippers/Cavs Sign-And-Trade Deemed Fictional Rumor
24th July, 2005 - 2:17 pm
ZWire - The rumored Marko Jaric sign-and-trade involving the Cavaliers is fictional, a league source said.

The rumored deal had the Los Angeles Clippers signing Jaric and sending him to the Cavaliers, along with power forward Chris Wilcox, in exchange for power forward Drew Gooden.
The source said there's no truth to the rumor.

The Cavaliers are in the market for a point guard and are very interested in the 6-foot-7, 217-pound Jaric. They also don't have the necessary salary-cap space to sign Jaric, who wants a contract starting around $5 million a season. The only way to acquire Jaric would be a sign-and-trade.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/36765/20050724/clippers/cavs_sign_and_trade_deemed_fictional_rumor/

[maven]

Keep Nene...

[Mr. Trout]

damn the cavaliers are making some nice moves. If they could land Jaric they would be set for a while.
starting lineup of

Marko Jaric, Larry Hughes, Lebron James, Donyell Marshall, Zydrunas Ilgauskas...not too shabby.

[GSRelyea]

By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider
Archive

Stars aren't made in the NBA's summer leagues, but we did learn a few things in the last three weeks.

First, a caveat: When judging players, take summer league performances with a grain of salt.

Success in the summer leagues isn't a very accurate predictor of who will become an NBA star. While in previous summers LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Al Jefferson and Marquis Daniels gave us early signs that they were ready to have breakout years, players such as Qyntel Woods, Willie Green, John Salmons and Zarko Cabarkapa have also dominated in these leagues.

A more accurate predictor is summer league failure. Nine times out of 10, it seems, if a player can't produce against the watered-down competition in the summer leagues, he'll struggle mightily to get it done against real NBA players during the season. But even that is only a short-term prediction, not a long-term one.

This year, the NBA held four summer leagues across the country -- the Reebok Vegas Summer League, the Minnesota Summer League, the Southern California Summer Pro League in Los Angeles and the Reebok Rocky Mountain Revue in Salt Lake City.

Who played well? Who bombed out? Insider talked to a number of NBA scouts and executives during the week to get you the skinny. Here's what the NBA Boys of Summer were up to in July.


Summer Studs
Nate Robinson, G, Knicks
Stats: 17.8 ppg, 3.8 rpg in the Vegas Summer League
Stats: 15.2 ppg, 5.8 apg at the Minnesota Summer League
The skinny: Robinson was the most exciting player on the floor for two straight weeks and had scouts walking away convinced that he could be an instant impact player in the league. His speed and intensity can overcome any size limitations.

In fact, scouts in Minnesota said he started to show that he could distribute the ball. Still, make no mistake, Robinson is a scorer -- much like the Bulls' Ben Gordon, Robinson's job will be to jump-start the offense (and the crowd) whenever he enters the game.

I still can't get over the fact that the Suns traded him. He would be perfect -- perfect -- in Phoenix.

[GSRelyea]

Ike Diogu, PF, Warriors
Stats: 18.4 ppg, 8.4 rpg in the Reebok Vegas Summer Shootout
The skinny: The questions about whether Diogu has the size or skills to play the four in the NBA are quickly dissipating. He started off the summer slowly and finished with a flurry, dropping 37 points and 12 rebounds on the last day.

He looks more and more like the second coming of Elton Brand.


Hakim Warrick, F, Grizzlies
Stats: 18.6 ppg, 8.2 rpg on 54 percent shooting at the Southern California Summer Pro League
The skinny: Warrick was a college stud who slipped a bit in the draft because no one knew for sure what position he'd play in the NBA. That's still not settled after seven games, but the Grizzlies believe they have a versatile player who's going to find a way to get the ball in the basket and grab rebounds.

The odd thing is that Warrick's athleticism doesn't translate into blocked shots. He blocked zero shots in seven games for Memphis.


Chris Paul, PG, Hornets
Stats: 15.3 ppg, 5.5 apg, 4.7 apg in the Vegas Summer League
The skinny: Paul got off to a red-hot start (21 points, five assists, four rebounds against the Cavs and 12 points, nine assists vs. the Wizards) before a minor injury ended up slowing him down for the rest of the camp.

The consensus among summer league scouts is that Paul will be the leading candidate for Rookie of the Year.


Andrew Bogut, C, Bucks
Stats: 13.2 ppg, 10 rpg, 1.4 bpg in the Minnesota Summer League
The skinny: Bogut had an up-and-down week.

He was outplayed by the trio of Dwayne Jones, Nick Horvath and David Simon in the first game and finished with just seven points. Then Bogut was dominated in the paint by David Harrison, the Pacers' second-year center, showing he had neither the strength nor the quickness to guard an NBA player in the paint.

All that said, Bogut definitely had his moments. He was great in games against the Rockets, Raptors and Knicks. He showed tenacity on the boards, patience on the offensive end and an ability for moving the ball out of the post.

The talent is there, but questions remain about whether he's physically ready to come in and play center in the NBA.



SLEEPER: Andrew Bynum, C, Lakers
Stats: 10.6 ppg, 7.5 rpg at the Southern California Summer Pro League
The skinny: No one was expecting anything from Bynum for at least two years, but he played as though he belonged in his first seven games.

He has soft hands and great size, and he runs the floor pretty well. Bynum was out of shape and needs to get stronger, but he was much more skilled than most scouts thought.

It doesn't mean he'll get a sniff of playing time in L.A. next season, but it looks like the Lakers may have a keeper.

Honorable Mention: Wayne Simien, PF, Heat (17.1 ppg, 7 rpg); Sean May, PF, Bobcats (14.8 ppg, 8.4 rpg); Channing Frye, C, Knicks (13.8 ppg, 5 rpg); David Lee, PF, Knicks (12 ppg, 6.2 rpg); Jason Maxiell, PF, Pistons (15 ppg, 3.6 rpg); Linas Kleiza, F, Nuggets (15.2 ppg, 6.2 rpg); Eddie Basden, G/F, Bulls (14 ppg, 5 rpg); Lawrence Roberts, PF, Grizzlies (13.6 ppg, 11.7 rpg); Alex Acker, G, Pistons (14.4 ppg, 3.2 rpg); Ryan Gomes, F, Celtics (12.2 ppg, 6.2 rpg); Monta Ellis, G, Warriors (15.8 ppg, 3 rpg); Antoine Wright, G, Nets (16.4 ppg, 2.8 rpg); Raymond Felton, PG, Bobcats (12.5 ppg, 5.5 apg); Julius Hodge, G, Nuggets (13.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg); Martell Webster, G, Blazers (12.7 ppg, 4.3 rpg).

[GSRelyea]

Breakout Performers

Travis Outlaw, F, Blazers
Stats: 18.6 ppg, 6.5 rpg in the Reebok Vegas Summer Shootout
The skinny: Outlaw looked last summer as though he was going to be one of the few high school-to-pros busts. However, some good playing time toward the end of last season seems to have bolstered his confidence.

Armed with a nice mid-range jumper, a ton of athleticism and great energy, Outlaw was definitely the surprise player in Vegas. Within days, GM John Nash said he was getting phone calls from teams offering first-round picks for Outlaw. But the Blazers would prefer to move Darius Miles and put Outlaw on the floor more this season.

Chris Kaman, C, Clippers
Stats: 20.2 ppg, 8.6 rpg in the Vegas Summer Pro League
The skinny: If the Clippers are going to make a serious push for the playoffs next season, some of the responsibility is going to rest firmly on Kaman's shoulders. Elton Brand and Corey Maggette will deliver. Shaun Livingston has great promise at the point. And Cuttino Mobley will improve the team's shooting. But they need more help in the middle and Kaman showed in Vegas that he's capable of delivering -- at least against summer leaguers.

Sebastian Telfair, PG, Blazers
Stats: 18.7 ppg, 6 apg in the Vegas Summer Pro League
The skinny: I wasn't a fan of Telfair last summer and still have my reservations about him, but it's tough to deny that he continues to improve. His court vision is excellent and he has a knack for getting to the rim. His jump shot is as ugly as ever, but if he can push the ball and keep turnovers down, he's got a chance to be special.

Kevin Martin, G, Kings
Stats: 19.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg on 47 percent shooting
The skinny: The Kings have spent the summer (and another draft pick on Francisco Garcia) trying to find a replacement for Cuttino Mobley this summer. After Martin's excellent summer league performance, have they found him?

Martin was also awesome last summer, but he didn't score with this efficiency or with this accuracy (41 percent) from 3-point country. Though his relative lack of strength still makes him a defensive liability, he's an awesome scorer.

Lonny Baxter, F/C, Rockets
Stats: 21 ppg, 6.2 rpg on 59 percent shooting in the Minnesota Summer League
The skinny: Baxter's another summer league warrior who never quite gets the minutes he needs to produce in the NBA. The Rockets love his ability to score around the basket, but with Stromile Swift set to join the team this fall, will Baxter ever catch a break?


SLEEPER: Nikoloz Tskitishvili, F, Timberwolves
Stats: 13.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg in the Minnesota Summer League
The skinny: Skita was awesome in the first game, scoring 25 points, grabbing 10 rebounds, and shooting 4-for-5 from 3-point land, all in 17 minutes. Unfortunately, he broke his hand nine minutes into the next game and missed the rest of the summer league.

But his performance was impressive enough that the Wolves and Skita agreed to a free-agent contract late Thursday night. Still, before the Dirk comparisons begin again, it's important to point out that Skita put on a show in Vegas last year as well, leading all scorers with 25.7 ppg and shooting lights out from behind the 3-point line.

[GSRelyea]

Honorable Mention: Dwight Howard, PF, Magic (19 ppg, 7.5 rpg); J.R. Smith, SG, Hornets (20.6 ppg); Tony Allen, G, Celtics (16.8 ppg); David Harrison, C, Pacers (14.8 ppg, 3.8 rpg); Luke Jackson, G/F, Cavs (11.5 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 4 apg); Matt Carroll, G/F, Bobcats (15.4 ppg); Britton Johnsen, F, Spurs (15.7 ppg, 8.7 rpg); Dion Glover, G, Rockets (18.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg); Josh Powell, F, Mavs (11.2 ppg, 9.8 rpg); Leandro Barbosa, G, Suns (18 ppg); Olumide Oyedeji, PF, Cavs (9.6 ppg, 7 rpg); Maciej Lampe, C, Hornets (11.7 ppg, 7.2 rpg); Andris Biedrins, C, Warriors (7.2 ppg, 6.8 rpg).


Summer Duds
Marvin Williams, F, Hawks
Stats: 7.8 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 28 percent shooting in the Rocky Mountain Revue
The skinny: Williams has been, in a word, awful. That doesn't mean much for his long-term future. As we've said before, the summer league isn't the most accurate predictor of what a player will or won't do in the season.

But scouts claim that Williams looks tight and often lost on both ends of the floor. That can't be what the Hawks were hoping for from the guy that should be their franchise player.

I still believe that Williams will end up being the best player in the draft. But he isn't off to a great start.

Al Jefferson, PF, Celtics
Stats: 7.5 ppg, 6 rpg in the Vegas Summer League
The skinny: Jefferson's great summer league performance last season coupled with flashes of brilliance during the season had Celtics fans already clearing out a spot for Jefferson in Springfield. He definitely didn't take another step forward in Vegas. He shot just 44 percent from the field and never did much to impact the games. That's what the Celtics expected from Jefferson last summer, not this one.

Darko Milicic, PF/C, Pistons
Stats: 9.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg on 36 percent shooting in the Vegas Summer League
The skinny: The excuses are about to stop. With Larry Brown out in Detroit, it's now time for Darko to respond.

We can talk all we want to about rust (he hasn't played in two years) and conditioning (it's tough to keep in shape when you're the towel boy), but the Pistons had to be disappointed in what appeared to be an indifferent effort by Milicic.

The rust will come off with playing time and the conditioning will improve. But what happened to the aggressive play that convinced the Pistons that Darko was not your typical Euro softie? Darko had flashes when he looked very good, but much of the time he just didn't look like he cared.

That had better change or Flip Saunders will put him on the same seat on the bench that Larry did.

Jonathan Bender, F, Pacers
Stats: 8 ppg, 5 rpg on 25 percent shooting in the Minnesota Summer League
The skinny: Who else is sick of hearing about how awesome Bender's potential is and how great he looks in practice?

He's always hurt and extremely inconsistent when he is healthy enough to play. He played exactly one lackluster game for the Pacers in Minnesota and his body language was awful. He acted like he didn't want to be there, according to numerous scouts in the building.

Kirk Snyder, G, Jazz
Stats: 6 ppg, 1 rebound on 33 percent shooting in the Rocky Mountain Revue
The skinny: With only one season under his belt, it's too early to call Snyder a bust. But if he keeps playing the way he has in Salt Lake, a monumental bust is exactly what he's going to be.

Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.

[RhymesayersDU]

rofl @ T-Wolves signing Skita.

[Lidderer]

Ike Diogu, PF, Warriors
Stats: 18.4 ppg, 8.4 rpg in the Reebok Vegas Summer Shootout
The skinny: The questions about whether Diogu has the size or skills to play the four in the NBA are quickly dissipating. He started off the summer slowly and finished with a flurry, dropping 37 points and 12 rebounds on the last day.

He looks more and more like the second coming of Elton Brand.



I dunno about this assessment. I'm Ike's biggest supporter--he's the only reason I'm back into the NBA--but I've never seen a less impressive 37/12 showing. He's looked slow in transition, shows slippery hands, fouls far too often, and isn't having the greatest performance on the boards. While an 18.8 avg and 8.1 reb looks great on paper, it's not all that wonderful when you've seen the performances.

Of course, it is just summer league, but he doesn't even look like the second coming of danny fortson right now.

[Master___Pain]

Andrew Bogut, C, Bucks
Stats: 13.2 ppg, 10 rpg, 1.4 bpg in the Minnesota Summer League
The skinny: Bogut had an up-and-down week.

He was outplayed by the trio of Dwayne Jones, Nick Horvath and David Simon in the first game and finished with just seven points. Then Bogut was dominated in the paint by David Harrison, the Pacers' second-year center, showing he had neither the strength nor the quickness to guard an NBA player in the paint.

All that said, Bogut definitely had his moments. He was great in games against the Rockets, Raptors and Knicks. He showed tenacity on the boards, patience on the offensive end and an ability for moving the ball out of the post.

The talent is there, but questions remain about whether he's physically ready to come in and play center in the NBA.

Getting dominated by a lazy Harrison who's coming off surgery? Maybe Bogut is not a center but rather a PF. Not good when David Haarison is dominating you.

[FADERPROOF]

damn the cavaliers are making some nice moves. If they could land Jaric they would be set for a while.
starting lineup of

Marko Jaric, Larry Hughes, Lebron James, Donyell Marshall, Zydrunas Ilgauskas...not too shabby.

And we can also trade Gooden now if we do get Jaric.

[Mr. Trout]

yeah they said it would have to be a sign and trade to make it work, so Gooden would be gone to the Clips

[epicSocialism4tw]

Getting dominated by a lazy Harrison who's coming off surgery? Maybe Bogut is not a center but rather a PF. Not good when David Haarison is dominating you.


I like Bogut. The writer said nothing about his strengths which are passing and initiating the offense. Bogut is young and will still have to put on some weight, but this writer makes it sound like his worth is to be found in traits that are not the ones that got him drafted #1.

[Master___Pain]

I like Bogut. The writer said nothing about his strengths which are passing and initiating the offense. Bogut is young and will still have to put on some weight, but this writer makes it sound like his worth is to be found in traits that are not the ones that got him drafted #1.

I understand that there are probably some other aspects of Boguts game, but I read the same thing on a different outlet from a different writer. He's young and has talent, but getting pushed around by David Harrison is pretty pathetic. I know, I watch that talented by lazy kid play for a few years in Boulder.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I understand that there are probably some other aspects of Boguts game, but I read the same thing on a different outlet from a different writer. He's young and has talent, but getting pushed around by David Harrison is pretty pathetic. I know, I watch that talented by lazy kid play for a few years in Boulder.

Looking back at the article, the author did complement him on his passing and offensive brain, but minimized their importance. Bogut is a player. He'll be fine. If he turns into Arvydas Sabonis, he will be well worth the pick.

[Master___Pain]

Looking back at the article, the author did complement him on his passing and offensive brain, but minimized their importance. Bogut is a player. He'll be fine. If he turns into Arvydas Sabonis, he will be well worth the pick.

I was thinking more along the lines of Vlade, but if he's anything like a young Sabonis....whoa.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I was thinking more along the lines of Vlade, but if he's anything like a young Sabonis....whoa.

From what Ive seen of Bogut, he has the back-to-the-rim brain of Vlade, but he is a little more athletic and plays with more emotion. He is still young and thin, but you will see him gain some weight over the next few years. Once he gets uup to NBA speed, I would expect him to show some all-around skills.