PFT says Chiefs/Law deal is bogus

[SoCalBronco]

RUMORS OF CHIEFS, LAW DEAL ARE BOGUS



We received several e-mails on Friday from readers in the Kansas City area regarding rumors of an impending deal between the Chiefs and free-agent cornerback Ty Law.



Specifically, a local radio station reportedly is reporting that the Chiefs and Law "have agreed in principle to a contract pending Law pass [sic] a physical showing that he is able to play on opening day" (whatever in the hell that means).



Wrong, says a source close to the action.



Per the source, the Chiefs and Law's agents "touch base periodically to see where he is in his rehab, etc., but there's been nothing more going on than that."


The Chiefs have signed Ashley Ambrose as a short-term replacement for Eric Warfield, who will serve a four-game suspension resulting from a 2004 DUI incident. When Warfield returns, Ambrose likely slides to the nickel back role in a defense that already includes cornerback Patrick Surtain.



According to the source, Law would land in Kansas City only if/when he abandons efforts for a long-term deal and opts to sign somewhere on a short-term basis for a shot at big money in 2006.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

PFT is bogus.

[SoCalBronco]

PFT is bogus.

That's true Bob they have been off the mark before but it seems even from your board that Rhonda Moss and co. jumped the gun a little bit. I think Law is going to force the Chiefs and Jets into a bidding war. I dont doubt King Carl finding a way to clear the cap, he wants to put together a great club before the window shuts and its getting close to shutting. Chiefs pass defense could be in the top 5 in the league if they could get Law. Law and Surtain on the outside, Johnson locking down the TE. We'll see if you can get him. But its clear there was a jumping of the gun.

[Bronco9798]

According to the source, Law would land in Kansas City only if/when he abandons efforts for a long-term deal and opts to sign somewhere on a short-term basis for a shot at big money in 2006.


That says "WOULD" land in KC if he abandons efforts for a long term deal?

So, tell me who's going to sign him to the money he wants. I think the Chiefs are restructuring contracts this weekend and are going to offer him the best they can, knowing no other team is going to pay Ty what he wants.

He very well could still end up in KC........

[watermock]

Ty Law is a 10 cent hooker on a bad wheel looking for 2000 a night. If this clown shops himself any more, he should try lipstick.

[WoodMan]

Chiefs pass defense could be in the top 5 in the league if they could get Law. Law and Surtain on the outside, Johnson locking down the TE.
You are just appeasing Bob, right. :loopy: Average pass rush, average at best linebacking, Ambrose did nothing for the Saints last year, but get burned. He will make good company for Bartee and McClown. I think Law and Surtain have seen their best years, though better than the Chefs had last year.
"Top Five"????????? Where does that come from?

[SoCalBronco]

You are just appeasing Bob, right. :loopy: Average pass rush, average at best linebacking, Ambrose did nothing for the Saints last year, but get burned. He will make good company for Bartee and McClown. I think Law and Surtain have seen their best years, though better than the Chefs had last year.
"Top Five"????????? Where does that come from?

Well our overall defense was in the top five, i dont know where the pass D was individually, prolly in the Top 10 without any pressure at all from the front seven. If the Chiefs got Law and kept Johnson on the strongside like it appears they will, they will match up well with a large majority of opposing teams WRs and TE.

[WoodMan]

You make a point, but I think the Chefs faithful are going to find out that Surtain isn't all they have him cranked up to be. Look at all the talent he played with on the Miami defense. That is enough to make any corner better. If in fact they do get Law, it will help the Chefs, but again "The Old Gray Mare, She aint what she used to be." I don't see top five in pass defense, unless of course, they still can't stop the run and there is no good reason to throw against them.

[Kaylore]

I'll admit it. The Chiefs scare me this year - even w/out Law.

[WoodMan]

I'll admit it. The Chiefs scare me this year - even w/out Law.
The Chargers scare me. I don't think they were a flash in the pan last year.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Surtain isn't all they have him cranked up to be. Look at all the talent he played with on the Miami defense. That is enough to make any corner better. I

:nono:

[NaptownChief]

I'll admit it. The Chiefs scare me this year - even w/out Law.



With or without Law I too think the Chiefs look really good on paper but I am quite cautious in that thought cause nearly every year a team really steps up and gets players that make them look great on paper but it ends up not working out that well. We will soon see I suppose.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Nap I am cautiously optimistic too. In my mind the entire linebacking corps is one big question mark. If Jared Allen doesn't continue or improve from his rookie season we could be hurting in the pass rush department.

[NaptownChief]

Nap I am cautiously optimistic too. In my mind the entire linebacking corps is one big question mark. If Jared Allen doesn't continue or improve from his rookie season we could be hurting in the pass rush department.


My concern at LB'er is only if Bell isn't healthy. Otherwise Bell, DJ and Fuji or whoever wins the other spot should be pretty nasty IMO.

[SoCalBronco]

Nap I am cautiously optimistic too. In my mind the entire linebacking corps is one big question mark. If Jared Allen doesn't continue or improve from his rookie season we could be hurting in the pass rush department.

I dunno Bob. I think if he gained more weight to help out against the run it will take away some of that edge speed. I dont think you need Jared Allen to be a complete DE. If you can just get 10 sacks out of him every year thats fine even if he is a liability. The coaches can scheme around that, put a really big guy next to him on the inside or a really good LB on that side to disincentivize teams from running to that side. He pretty much just needs to do his thing and come from the edge.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I dunno Bob. I think if he gained more weight to help out against the run it will take away some of that edge speed. I dont think you need Jared Allen to be a complete DE. If you can just get 10 sacks out of him every year thats fine even if he is a liability. The coaches can scheme around that, put a really big guy next to him on the inside or a really good LB on that side to disincentivize teams from running to that side. He pretty much just needs to do his thing and come from the edge.

That's not what I'm talking about. He showed up to the minicamps in crappy shape. He needs to get his head right. We can't afford an off year from him.

[NaptownChief]

I think Hall was an excellent and vastly underrated move. The fact Gunther knew him with the Titans and wanted to trade for him says a little something. I think he will be a bit of a sleeper for us this year. Hicks on the otherside completely sucks IMO however.

[SoCalBronco]

That's not what I'm talking about. He showed up to the minicamps in crappy shape. He needs to get his head right. We can't afford an off year from him.

oh, my bad. I didnt know that. Was it related to that picture of him drunk and stuff? The guy was a low round pick, cant afford to just drink and party in the offseason. Had a great rookie year and actually got 2 votes for DROY, it would be a shame if he throws it away by not being in shape. I think 2nd day picks get only 3 year contracts so he is not wise to be out of shape, he should think football all the time so he can get a huge extension pretty soon.

[Tredici]

I see. The new rules totally negate corner backs. We've heard all about how Champ is now a non-factor.

But Ty Law would be exempt from that school of thought along with Surtain in the K.C. backfield?

Okie Dokie Cheffie fans.

[crazyhorse]

I see. The new rules totally negate corner backs. We've heard all about how Champ is now a non-factor.

But Ty Law would be exempt from that school of thought along with Surtain in the K.C. backfield?

Okie Dokie Cheffie fans.


I never said that. Carry on though, you're on a roll.

I have said Okie dokie before though.

[NaptownChief]

I see. The new rules totally negate corner backs. We've heard all about how Champ is now a non-factor.

.

I sure wouldn't say that Champ was a non-factor. He was a big factor in Kennison's two TD's and the 45-17 beat down in week 15.

[Disco Man]

I sure wouldn't say that Champ was a non-factor. He was a big factor in Kennison's two TD's and the 45-17 beat down in week 15.
.........and then the Chiefs went on to win the Super Bowl last year

[NaptownChief]

.........and then the Chiefs went on to win the Super Bowl last year



I thought the Donks went on to win it? Seemed like there was enough points scored here in the Dome to win 5 Super Bowls.

[Disco Man]

I thought the Donks went on to win it? Seemed like there was enough points scored here in the Dome to win 5 Super Bowls.
1969 :drown:

[sisterhellfyre]

<snip> If Jared Allen doesn't continue or improve from his rookie season we could be hurting in the pass rush department.

Just checking something here, Bob:

Jared Allen is coming into his 2nd year in the NFL? I'm asking the question honestly, cuz I don't pay all that much attention to the Chefs roster and who's been around how long.

If Allen is coming into his 2nd year, I would not expect him to match his rookie year passrush numbers unless he is a truly superhuman specimen, like the second coming of Lawrence Taylor -- much less Michael Strahan, Julius Peppers or Dwight Freeney.

The catch is a little thing called videotape. After the first game or two, O-lines and their coaches get to sit down, break down the rookie's rush moves, and figure out how best to counter them.

It happens most every year, that some fortunate team finds a hot D-line prospect that lights up offensive tackles for double-digit sacks. How many of those hot rookies disappear in their 2nd years? It often takes them years to really figure out how to play the pro game and recreate the numbers of their rookie years.

Namas-te,
m.

[Bronco9798]

Nap I am cautiously optimistic too. In my mind the entire linebacking corps is one big question mark. If Jared Allen doesn't continue or improve from his rookie season we could be hurting in the pass rush department.

I think Jared Allen is going to be a beast. The question with your D Line comes down to Ryan (I'm still a bust) Sims and can Dalton have two good years in a row? Siavvi (sp?) also has to get smarter and get off the blocks a little better. He could be huge but I'm not sure he's the smartest kid on the block either. He needs to learn how to play at this level. Your D line will improve if Sims and Allen can get it together and Siavvi can do what they expect from him.

I see Maz is trying to make a comeback. Not sure how effective he will be this year. That knee is damaged goods. If Maz don't play, who plays the Middle? Mitchell or Scanlon? Bell has Courtney Brown (injuries)written all over him. Your middle three probably goes as he goes. DJ needs someone to learn from. If Bell isn't on the field, he could still have a good year, but I think he needs Bell out there. I think Gunther likes Fox too. If Maz don't play, I believe the Chiefs will go with DJ, Bell, and Mitchell? I'm not even sure Fujita mixes in with this bunch, does he? Is he the odd man out?

Woods and Wesley were both signed pretty big contracts last year (I think). Looks like Woods is going to the odd man out and be a bit disgruntled but I think Wesley has a shot of playing better this year. They both stunk it up last year after signing for the big money. Woods and Knight could make a nice tandem at the safety's. Knight is a ballhawk, not great in coverage but always seems to get picks only because he's always around the ball.

Here's comes your problem the way I see it. Surtain is a very nice corner. If you don't fill that other side Surtain will be lying down over on the other side. Teams will be throwing at Dexter and Ambrose all game. Better hope you get some safety help over there or you will be changing Dexter and Ashley's name to Roc.

Also your WR's are nothing to gloat about. Lose Morton, sign Fed -X. Kennison is a #2 on most teams and Parker looks like he's getting the chance at the No#2. I see DV wants to take Dante out of the rotation and keep him fresh for returns. Not a bad idea really. His production was really down last year except for a few moments. You're lucky you have LJ backing up Priest, you can actually handle Priest getting injured, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

I think the Chiefs and Broncos are the top runners in the AFC West this year. If you sign Law, I'd have to actually (puke) give the nod to the Chiefs. But, I'm not going to count the Broncos out. I have a good feeling about this year.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I think Jared Allen is going to be a beast. The question with your D Line comes down to Ryan (I'm still a bust) Sims and can Dalton have two good years in a row? Siavvi (sp?) also has to get smarter and get off the blocks a little better. He could be huge but I'm not sure he's the smartest kid on the block either. He needs to learn how to play at this level. Your D line will improve if Sims and Allen can get it together and Siavvi can do what they expect from him.

I see Maz is trying to make a comeback. Not sure how effective he will be this year. That knee is damaged goods. If Maz don't play, who plays the Middle? Mitchell or Scanlon? Bell has Courtney Brown (injuries)written all over him. Your middle three probably goes as he goes. DJ needs someone to learn from. If Bell isn't on the field, he could still have a good year, but I think he needs Bell out there. I think Gunther likes Fox too. If Maz don't play, I believe the Chiefs will go with DJ, Bell, and Mitchell? I'm not even sure Fujita mixes in with this bunch, does he? Is he the odd man out?

Woods and Wesley were both signed pretty big contracts last year (I think). Looks like Woods is going to the odd man out and be a bit disgruntled but I think Wesley has a shot of playing better this year. They both stunk it up last year after signing for the big money. Woods and Knight could make a nice tandem at the safety's. Knight is a ballhawk, not great in coverage but always seems to get picks only because he's always around the ball.

Here's comes your problem the way I see it. Surtain is a very nice corner. If you don't fill that other side Surtain will be lying down over on the other side. Teams will be throwing at Dexter and Ambrose all game. Better hope you get some safety help over there or you will be changing Dexter and Ashley's name to Roc.

Also your WR's are nothing to gloat about. Lose Morton, sign Fed -X. Kennison is a #2 on most teams and Parker looks like he's getting the chance at the No#2. I see DV wants to take Dante out of the rotation and keep him fresh for returns. Not a bad idea really. His production was really down last year except for a few moments. You're lucky you have LJ backing up Priest, you can actually handle Priest getting injured, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

I think the Chiefs and Broncos are the top runners in the AFC West this year. If you sign Law, I'd have to actually (puke) give the nod to the Chiefs. But, I'm not going to count the Broncos out. I have a good feeling about this year.


Excellent post! You are a tribute to non-homer Bronco fans everywhere.

[Bronco9798]

Excellent post! You are a tribute to non-homer Bronco fans everywhere.

I'm a homer, just not a blinded homer like some. I study the opponent every year. Never under-estimate your enemy!!!

[Rausch]

That's true Bob they have been off the mark before but it seems even from your board that Rhonda Moss and co. jumped the gun a little bit.

They didn't jump the gun, they're completely full of $#it.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Law was on the huddle today on espn radio and said that yes the chief had talked with his agent but that was about all and with the signing of surtain he doesnt believe that they will be able to come up with the money to sign him. So as of now there is no sort of deal going down it is just rumor and that was coming from law. May have been a cover up but i highly doubt it.

[wabbit]

Everyone I've had a chance to talk to says KC is still very much in the mix, but the idea that he'd reached some kind of agreement in principle may be a reporter misinterpretation.

As I understand it, KC had inquired what kind of $$ parameters Law was asking, and when told (whatever it is) they agreed to try and work around it in on-going negotiations.

Some reporter took that to mean they had agreed to the terms...which they hadn't...only on the range of dollars needed to continue talks.

From what I heard today from a New York print reporter, the Jets are closer to a deal than either New England or Kansas City...doesn't mean anything is set, just closer.

All interested teams are requiring a physical prior to any contract and KC/NY have asked for a private work-out...something Law says he won't repeat after early interviews.

[PatsWin2002]

That makes sense, Wabbit.

If it was going to be a simple thing it would've been done long ago.

What intrigued me is that Law could actually return to NE. We all assumed he was gone with NO chance of coming back.

For instance, when Law and Troy Brown were both "out there", it was reported that only Law had had his nameplate removed from his locker. It was as if management always knew Brown would be back but Law would not.

I'd take him back. The guy is "cap hell" now, but if he has to take a cut, why not come back and finish his career as a Patriot? That has to carry some weight with him.

[Bronco9798]

My question is where does he end up if nobody gives him the money he wants? I don't think anybody is going to sign to him to a long contract with a big signing bonus. He wants to be paid as the top CB in the league. That's not happening. There's not been much talk of Pittsburgh lately, that's still a viable option for him. I also think the Chiefs are working hard at getting guys to restructure and doing everything they can to sign him.

Of course it all depends on his health, but I wouldn't bet against him being ready to go for training camp.

[wabbit]

All things remaining equal...which, of course, they won't...he'll take an incentive-laden contract to go back to New England.

He wants up-front money & teams want assurances...or insurance of a sort.

As I hear it NE is willing to give him a nice contract...only the money would be built into incentives and performance clauses WITHOUT much guaranteed money.

KC has some money up front, as does New York...but no-where near what he wants...nor the length of contract as I hear it.

I'm betting he ends up back in NE, or signs a one year money deal with NY...one of the two.

KC would have to beef up the up-front money to get him.

[Bronco9798]

All things remaining equal...which, of course, they won't...he'll take an incentive-laden contract to go back to New England.

He wants up-front money & teams want assurances...or insurance of a sort.

As I hear it NE is willing to give him a nice contract...only the money would be built into incentives and performance clauses WITHOUT much guaranteed money.

KC has some money up front, as does New York...but no-where near what he wants...nor the length of contract as I hear it.

I'm betting he ends up back in NE, or signs a one year money deal with NY...one of the two.

KC would have to beef up the up-front money to get him.

Yeah I listened to his interview on ESPN Radio yeserday. He said Belichek called him last week and they talked for a bit. Said he was surprised to hear from him. Never got into details, but I'm sure it was more than a social call.

[Kaylore]

As I hear it NE is willing to give him a nice contract...only the money would be built into incentives and performance clauses WITHOUT much guaranteed money.
Is there anything but this kind of offer left from any team?

[Kaylore]

Yeah I listened to his interview on ESPN Radio yeserday. He said Belichek called him last week and they talked for a bit. Said he was surprised to hear from him. Never got into details, but I'm sure it was more than a social call.
I heard that today as well. Right afterwards, Schlereth came on and knocked the Broncos. :cuss:

[Bronco9798]

There's going to be offers from a few teams, you can count on that. The only question is which is bigger and better.

[Taco John]

The Chiefs don't scare me in the least, at least not yet. When a team has only three playoff wins to their names in thirty years, it takes more than signing a bunch of roleplayers to make me too concerned. Surtain was a great signing... The rest, meh...

[Bronco9798]

The Chiefs don't scare me in the least. When a team has only three playoff wins to their names in thirty years, it takes more than signing a bunch of roleplayers to make me too concerned. Surtain was a great signing... The rest, meh...


Me neither until December 4th. Then it's back to Arrowhead in December where we are like 1-14 in December games.

[SoCalBronco]

I heard that today as well. Right afterwards, Schlereth came on and knocked the Broncos. :cuss:

What did Stinky say about us this time, Khan?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The Chiefs don't scare me in the least, at least not yet. When a team has only three playoff wins to their names in thirty years, it takes more than signing a bunch of roleplayers to make me too concerned. Surtain was a great signing... The rest, meh...

45-17, bitch. We were THISCLOSE in a handful of games last year. You don't think five upgrades on defense can turn the tide in our favor?

[Bronco9798]

45-17, b****. We were THISCLOSE in a handful of games last year. You don't think five upgrades on defense can turn the tide in our favor?

Yeah but you seem to forget the 34-24 win at Invesco that began your downfall at the start of the season. Something you guys could never recover from. So we split, who cares for real.......

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Yeah but you seem to forget the 34-24 win at Invesco that began your downfall at the start of the season. Something you guys could never recover from. So we split, who cares for real.......

Yes, we split. But that first game didn't destroy our season or begin our downfall. You'd like to THINK it did, but that clearly wasn't the case.

That 45-17 thrashing was the greatest humdinger by EITHER team in the last 20 years of the Chiefs-Donks series.

[Bronco9798]

Yes, we split. But that first game didn't destroy our season or begin our downfall. You'd like to THINK it did, but that clearly wasn't the case.

That 45-17 thrashing was the greatest humdinger by EITHER team in the last 20 years of the Chiefs-Donks series.

Actually the greatsest humdinger was the playoff victory in your very own back yard. I'm sure you remember that. Elvis and Marty's great time-management game in the 4th Qtr. I still remember Darrien Gordon tipping the pass to Lake Dawson in the End Zone to end the game. It was a beautiful site Bob, it really was.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Actually the greatsest humdinger was the playoff victory in your very own back yard. I'm sure you remember that. Elvis and Marty's great time-management game in the 4th Qtr. I still remember Darrien Gordon tipping the pass to Lake Dawson in the End Zone to end the game. It was a beautiful site Bob, it really was.

Sure would be great to win a playoff game at Invesco...this board would just implode.

I haven't even gotten to do that in MADDEN. :homer:

[Bronco9798]

Yes, we split. But that first game didn't destroy our season or begin our downfall. You'd like to THINK it did, but that clearly wasn't the case.

That 45-17 thrashing was the greatest humdinger by EITHER team in the last 20 years of the Chiefs-Donks series.

Here's a friend of mine after the Bronco/Chief game when Portis went for 5 TD's. He passed out on my floor after the game.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Khouck001/img031.jpg

[Florida_Bronco]

Here's a friend of mine after the Bronco/Chief game when Portis went for 5 TD's. He passed out on my floor after the game.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Khouck001/img031.jpg

Don't lie, he started being a Chef homer and you just kicked his ass.

[Arkie]

45-17, b****. We were THISCLOSE in a handful of games last year. You don't think five upgrades on defense can turn the tide in our favor?

The Chiefs were THISCLOSE to losing to Baltimore and Oakland twice. The Chiefs should have been 4-12 last year.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The Chiefs were THISCLOSE to losing to Baltimore and Oakland twice. The Chiefs should have been 4-12 last year.

Obviously the acquisitions shift close games in their favor, not the other way.

[Kaylore]

Other teams got better during the offseason, too Bob.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Other teams got better during the offseason, too Bob.

Yes and some teams got worse.

[Florida_Bronco]

Yes and some teams got worse.

And do I dare ask who you think those teams are?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

And do I dare ask who you think those teams are?

The Tennessee Titans?