Rate the Plan

[watermock]

A. Shanahan is a genius
B. Passing grade
C. Average
D. Broken down and crippled is no way to tet to the super bowl
F. Incomplete

[SoCalBronco]

Between a B and a B+. Overall its solid.

[Rausch]

Not looking to upgrade every position (read: QB) is like steering your unsinkable ship at an iceberg...

[watermock]

Not looking to upgrade every position (read: QB) is like steering your unsinkable ship at an iceberg...

Aren't you supposed to be in the crowsnest?

[SoCalBronco]

Not looking to upgrade every position (read: QB) is like steering your unsinkable ship at an iceberg...

I dont know what more you could have asked of the team, Rausch. We tried very hard to get Garcia and had it wrapped up, until he just switched to Detroit at the last minute. Hell we even had Walsh telling him to come here. At the end of the day the guy is going to choose and there isnt much we can do about it. He would have pushed Plummer and would have been useful as a top backup. We certainly tried on that front. I think the biggest disappointments were poorly allocating resources in areas where we didnt need to invest more money and failing to significantly address the RG concern in Free Agency. DeMulling (in addition to Okeafor on the DL) could have been had if we didnt blow our wad early in the game unnecessarily.

[Rausch]

I dont know what more you could have asked of the team, Rausch. We tried very hard to get Garcia and had it wrapped up, until he just switched to Detroit at the last minute. Hell we even had Walsh telling him to come here. At the end of the day the guy is going to choose and there isnt much we can do about it. He would have pushed Plummer and would have been useful as a top backup. We certainly tried on that front.

Couldn't agree more. Would have been a perfect fit.

I still think a guy like Jeff Blake would have helped. He's a shadow of who he was 6 years ago but it might be enough to get Jake to screw his head on and think like the "Dilfer" you need him to be.

Right now you don't need an Elway, just a leader who knows his role and and doesn't try and do more than he can.

[Rausch]

Aren't you supposed to be in the crowsnest?

The only thing up there is bird$#it...

[broncos love]

Im very pleased with shanny and It seems like every year a need we need to go get it gets done. So shanny IMO has done a good job

[watermock]

The only thing around here are my wren houses. They sing pretty songs for me. Especially in the moring. They are cute little singers and are able to escape my kitten. They taunt him beyond belief. he is a born mouser, not a bird hunter. He can challenge but doesn't have the tools to mount an assault. It's a mexican standoff.

Honestly, it's incredibly funny.

Damn, I just smacked a spider eating ages old spindle with my swatter....

unfortunately, cats don't eat spiders.
]

One other thing I have never figured out....

How can a fly bother you for an hour, and when you finally get a swatter it's a genius?

I will swish away a fly and have it just laugh at me, and the second I get a swatter, it's a nazi behind a bush.

Don't discount this. I am slow to get the weapon, and the fly buzzes off into a new zone.

One second you can't get him off your shoulder, the next, he sees the flywatter?

I will get the bastard. I am fully armed. I'm not going to fire the Model12, but if I see that beast, he is dead meat.

[Rausch]

The only thing around here are my wren houses. They sing pretty songs for me. Especially in the moring. They are cute little singers and are able to escape my kitten. They taunt him beyond belief. he is a born mouser, not a bird hunter. He can challenge but doesn't have the tools to mount an assault. It's a mexican standoff.

Honestly, it's incredibly funny.

Damn, I just smacked a spider eating ages old spindle with my swatter....

unfortunately, cats don't eat spiders.
]

One other thing I have never figured out....

How can a fly bother you for an hour, and when you finally get a swatter it's a genius?

I will swish away a fly and have it just laugh at me, and the second I get a swatter, it's a nazi behind a bush.

Don't discount this. I am slow to get the weapon, and the fly buzzes off into a new zone.

One second you can't get him off your shoulder, the next, he sees the flywatter?

I will get the bastard. I am fully armed. I'm not going to fire the Model12, but if I see that beast, he is dead meat.

I've filed a restraining order.

If you decide to wear the skin of your victims and dance in the white glow of a full moon...

Don't....tell....anyone....

[Arkansas Bronco]

Looking pretty good. Like what we did with the DE spot. Picked up some nice players just with health issues. Wish we could have gotten another decent DT but we will see soon how our are looking. Still not a huge fan of getting Gold back but we do have a solid LB unit if DJ picks up strongside well. Realy no work on the offinsive side but we have 2 firstround picks next year that we could use to adress that :devil:

[Drek]

Overall I like it. I see it as an off-season where there wasn't any single "cure" available in the draft or FA that would suddenly put us in SB contention. I like that the FO aparently recognized this as well, then made sure to sign very few long term deals and loaded up on high potential guys in all the need areas. I see us as basically treading water in the AFC West, all four of our rivals have improved themselves in some ways, but none are great teams. We aren't a great team either, but have improved significantly in our overall defensive team speed and our DL should be much better. I'd also like to think that a healthy Mike Anderson, Kyle Johnson at FB all season long, and a more experienced Putz should be a significant boost to our red zone success, though not as much as I'd like.

However, the key to this off-season for me is how bright the future looks. Some fans might be disapointed with the '05 season, since I think making the playoffs is far from a lock, let alone winning a playoff game. However, the two first rounders in the next draft, plus a lot of freed up cap room and what will probably be a better FA crop next off-season should put is in great position to add the missing pieces of the puzzle next season and catapult ourselves from the first round of the playoffs to a legitimate SB contender for a four or five year window.

[Broncoman13]

I love the moves and think he's done an excellent job... but anybody that thinks this was the "plan" is kidding themselves. This seems like a bunch of last minute thinking and sitting down and crunching numbers, banging phone calls, and targeting cap friendly deals. You can't go into an offseason with a plan of multiple trades in the NFL. I won't say he was lucky to pull it off, but if that was the plan then I'm even more weary of Mike as a personnel man!

[elsid13]

I love the moves and think he's done an excellent job... but anybody that thinks this was the "plan" is kidding themselves. This seems like a bunch of last minute thinking and sitting down and crunching numbers, banging phone calls, and targeting cap friendly deals. You can't go into an offseason with a plan of multiple trades in the NFL. I won't say he was lucky to pull it off, but if that was the plan then I'm even more weary of Mike as a personnel man!


I think the plan was

1. Strengthen the d-line.
2. Improve Special Teams= New Punter and New KR.
3. Find Vetern Depth at low cost.
4. Improve the Cap for next year.
5. Be competive this year.
6. Get rid of deadwood.

I don't think that Front Office varied from what they wanted to do that much, most of things are tactical opperunities that came along that fit the direction they were going.

[Al Wilson]

I think you can rate the 'plan' when the season is finished.

It's too early to tell.

[TotallyScrewed]

I think the plan was to off-load Willie. Hold off on your dissention until I've finished, please. I think the plan knew that Kenoy, Haywood and Herndon were going for the greener pastures. I think the plan realized that Sykes or Spaguen (sp??), are not top shelf. I think the plan was to address Special Teams and the Defensive Line.

The plan drafted three cornerbacks, which for the most part WE said was idiotic but with the losses and shipment of Wee Willie, and the others looks pretty smart. Throw in that fact that one of the new corners is a good/great prospect at punt/kick returner and that they went after some good URFA's (e.g. Browner) and it's looking damn good. On top of that, add that the Plan ripped Washington a new one in a draft that wasn't loaded for a chance at a better pick next year (three picks, one this year).

The plan drafted a good prospect at punter. A quality punter fall into their laps so they took a shot. With the problems that have been evident from lousy punting and series starting positions (thereby drafting a speedy returner), can you blame them?

Clarrett fall into their laps and no Broncos fan should question their abilities to evaluate talent there.

Gold is better than Sykes, Spaguen. I'm pretty happy with the LB's they've got. Burns will help ST's.

Signing the Browns is a risk, but low risk/high reward. Getting Trevor better is huge. The plan there was to let him and his agent test the waters, and they decided to stand pat, prove themselves and help the team.

Speaking of planning, the FO had nearly no cap space and got enough by talking players into helping the team...not for next year but for this year. Nobody on the team is saying "well...next year we could be good enough to move on deep into the playoffs". It's about NOW.

Without seeing a game and in toto, doesn't that sound like good planning???

[Needa Pass Rush]

I see a guy like Browner stepping into the big ST shoes vacated by Middlebrooks. We need that sizable, fast defender to get to the return specialist and deliver the leathal woo-lick. Willie was a VERY GOOD special teams gunner.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You guys should have brought in Jason Ferguson. Instead you got his sloppy, out of shape, lazy-ass brother.

[Paladin]

I think the plan was

1. Strengthen the d-line.
2. Improve Special Teams= New Punter and New KR.
3. Find Vetern Depth at low cost.
4. Improve the Cap for next year.
5. Be competive this year.
6. Get rid of deadwood.

I don't think that Front Office varied from what they wanted to do that much, most of things are tactical opperunities that came along that fit the direction they were going.

I agree entirely. There could not have been thoughts about taking the entire Browns Dline. I think taking Williams was clearly the idea they had in mind, and getting the P/K in the 7th fit the direction they wanted to go. To say that SourBuns was targeted is a bit of a stretch, but it did fit the overall need. They may have accomplished all of the elements of the "Plan". But I am not sure they have the "veteran depth" in the CB position yet. But it isn't over yet, I think.

There are still some players that might get traded, or "Placed" as the FO likes to say.

[Atlas]

Not looking to upgrade every position (read: QB) is like steering your unsinkable ship at an iceberg...

they did imp[rove the position.

Kannel has another year in the system and both MAuk and BVP will be better.

[Atlas]

I'm still a little bitter about not drafting Miller in the 2nd but as far as the offseason plan goes I give it an A+ IMO. Look at what Denver has done. Look at what they have given up. Look at Denver's potential and look at the minimum risk they put themselves at.

Shanny was the hardest working person in the NFL this offseason. Hopefully it will pan out.

[Play2win]

Shanahan realized That with rules being as they are (RE: the Pay-Me-A-Ton rule) DLine is the single most important aspect to your team. Even more-so than QB. He completely resurrected our DLine while taking advantage of the COPYCAT LEAGUE's fascination with the 3-4, stocking up on low-risk high-talent 4-3 D-Linemen.

I think the plan was to take advantage of the League's shift to the 3-4, and swoop up as many 4-3 guys as he could. Us 'moving' to a 3-4 was just one huge SMOKESCREEN.

[Atlas]

Shanahan realized That with rules being as they are (RE: the Pay-Me-A-Ton rule) DLine is the single most important aspect to your team. Even more-so than QB. He completely resurrected our DLine while taking advantage of the COPYCAT LEAGUE's fascination with the 3-4, stocking up on low-risk high-talent 4-3 D-Linemen.

I think the plan was to take advantage of the League's shift to the 3-4, and swoop up as many 4-3 guys as he could. Us 'moving' to a 3-4 was just one huge SMOKESCREEN.

I think Denver had plans to go to a 3-4 more often BUT when they were able to resign Pryce they had scrapped those ideas.

[Broncoman13]

Sorry, I just can't believe that their actoins and moves was the actual plan. Saying we want to improve the DL, Punt Return, Punter, and LB positions is not a plan... that's an objective. You have a certain threshhold within that objective and I think that was to get players at reasonable cost. Like I said, I love the moves. I think Shanny has done a great job with all of the moves... yes even Gold. I'm a big Gold supporter and liked the move a lot. That being said, when they set their objectives how many people thought they "PLANNED" on all of these moves? Trevor Pryce coming back, G. Warren trade, C.Brown choosing us in the last hour over Wash., the Droughns for Ek/Myers trade, the Wash draft pick trade, and now the Middlebrooks trade... all of those moves are from persistence and strumming the phone lines. You CAN'T plan for those types of moves... sorry.

[wabbit]

I think Denver had plans to go to a 3-4 more often BUT when they were able to resign Pryce they had scrapped those ideas.

More than any other off-season strategy, THIS is probably the the central issue, around which everything else revolved.

Coyer seemed determined to use the 3-4 if he wasn't going to have Pryce.

Landing Warren & Gold were the center pieces of that thinking, but when Pryce re-structured with a pay cut...and then Courtney Brown signed, the 3-4...at least as a base scheme...made no sense.

elsid 13
I don't think that Front Office varied from what they wanted to do that much, most of things are tactical opperunities that came along that fit the direction they were going.

This also played into things as players, more or less fell in their lap.

Shanahan saw opportunities, and took them as they came along.

Maybe not a 'plan' from the beginning, but one that took shape as players became available.

Shanahan did a great job & harvested a bumper crop out of a dry season...to coin a phrase.

Given Denver's cap situation going into FA, I didn't think Denver would have the opportunity to make even half the moves they did.

[elsid13]

More than any other off-season strategy, THIS is probably the the central issue, around which everything else revolved.

Coyer seemed determined to use the 3-4 if he wasn't going to have Pryce.

Landing Warren & Gold were the center pieces of that thinking, but when Pryce re-structured with a pay cut...and then Courtney Brown signed, the 3-4...at least as a base scheme...made no sense.

elsid 13
I don't think that Front Office varied from what they wanted to do that much, most of things are tactical opperunities that came along that fit the direction they were going.

This also played into things as players, more or less fell in their lap.

Shanahan saw opportunities, and took them as they came along.

Maybe not a 'plan' from the beginning, but one that took shape as players became available.

Shanahan did a great job & harvested a bumper crop out of a dry season...to coin a phrase.

Given Denver's cap situation going into FA, I didn't think Denver would have the opportunity to make even half the moves they did.


Hey Wabbit,

Have you heard anything on Davis, like is there anyone interested or has he really pissed off the coach staff?? Thanks

[wabbit]

...Have you heard anything on Davis, like is there anyone interested or has really pissed off the coach staff?? Thanks

All I've learned from talking to my friends in the press yesterday is that Denver isn't done dealing...confirming what Mediator said.

The Broncos will look for help...especially the secondary...as Training Camps & Pre-Season plays out.

Specifics are elusive, but this roster is not set yet.

[baja]

The Plan = obscure at best

Shanny/Sundi thinking on their feet = A++

[Play2win]

I think Shanahan just PLANNED to take advantage of any opportunity that presented itself this offseason. I think that was 'THE PLAN'. ;D

[Crushaholic]

With all these linemen on the roster, we should find a combination that produces a good pass rush and turnovers. If not, we should be looking at replacements for the defensive coaching. I like the moves we made in offseason.

[Arkie]

The Maner's approval of the plan is improving. The plan has a 3.27 GPA according to this thread. The last "rate the plan" thread was back in mid May. It had a 2.77 in that thread.

[Play2win]

The Maner's approval of the plan is improving. The plan has a 3.27 GPA according to this thread. The last "rate the plan" thread was back in mid May. It had a 2.77 in that thread.
I guess 'The Plan' is really trying to get on the Dean's List...

[HEAV]

The plan should have been titled Sibyl.

It changed persona just as fast. It was to be 3-4 and adding a big DT like Ferguson, but the real target was Pat Williams. But the Radiers/Vikes deal sent the F.O. into reconfigure mode.

The Moss trade change the face of the AFC West. It gave the Raiders a big play guy, and at the same time allowed the Vikes to go on a shopping spree and sign Williams and raise the prices of the market.

This made Denver look at Plan B, C, D. THe 3-4 went out the window and the bargain shopping began. The focus went to making the LB's the strengths moving DJ and bringing Gold back. It was just a freak of nature that the Browns where having a clearance sale on DL. Had Cleveland not had to cut C. Brown I'm sure he would have been traded for. Thanks all to Patterson speaking in coach/Gm's ear.


I still feel the OL was ignored and the thinking/belief in the system could be this teams downfall. Much like in the Phillips era when he loaded the O-side and assumed his defensive game plans didn't require talent.

The team went for cheap older players at DL and OL, WR. When a shot of youth and talent was required.

Drafting 3 corners was a reaction of the Moss trade also. Clarrett blew my mind, I can't even imagine what value he has, not with Bell, Mike, Griff and Dayne on the roster.


It's way too early to be grading things. In my opinion grading should come at the completion of the test. Not before the exam starts in Sept.

[watermock]

I don't have a problem with any of it. I did early, we were all terrified. It looked like Pryce, Hamilton, Putz and Coop might all leave. Kenoy, Hayward and had left.

The "plan" looked like Operation Barbarosa (Hitler's invasion of Russia). Of course, that "plan" started out nicely, except Hitler seemed to be incabable of understanding the vast distances involved.

At any rate, this wasn't a team like Minnesota that was sitting on 22 million in cap space. Trading away our first round pick probably allowed us to get Pryce back. Not only that, the turmoil in Washington is literally hillarious. You can allready visualize Portis with his finger in the air testing the wind. Gibbs is just about fed up, and there are other issues. That could prove to be a very high pick in a deep draft.

When east coast pundits slam these moves, they don't consider our cap position. To make these many moves considering our cap is literally astounding to me. They slam this move, they slam that move. Hey you dimwits, if the player doesn't pan out, WE CAN CUT HIM. Other than Gold, noone we signed got dick as a signing bonus, and we don't have to give a high bonus to some unproven rookie first rounder.

The DL is so deep it would take a blind squirrel not to find some acorns. We added 5 players, and 3 more are back from injury. If that isn't addressing a problem, I don't know what the hell is.

I don't see any FA QB out there worth taking. Kannell has a year under the system and IMO, has been kinda unfairly bashed. Yeah, he's no Doug Flutie off the pine, but the losses under Danno were not entirely his fault. Maybe we get a franchise QB next year if Mauck doesn't look like a keeper. I think it's stone cold obvious Denver will take a QB with one of it's top 3 picks next year.

Special teams were upgraded with SaurKraut, our midget return man, Gold and possibly Burns, who I think will be a good mentor.

Looking back, altho I freaked when we took three corners, Deltha, Willie, Herndon and Kenoy are all gone. Altho Roc absolutely stunk against Manning, he's made alot of corners look silly. The guy shattered records last year. Putting a UDFA rook against him in a playoff game had to have Shanahan pulling his glass eye out. Roc won't be the last green corner Manning will kick around like the bully on the Simpsons. When I watched that game, it seemed they had Roc playing way too far off the line.

That nightmare dismissed, other than possibly making a boneheaded move to throw DJ Williams over to Sam, it's hard to imagine we could of made anymore moves. Again, it wasn't like we had 22 million in cap space like the HornHeads to throw around.

[Atlas]

The Maner's approval of the plan is improving. The plan has a 3.27 GPA according to this thread. The last "rate the plan" thread was back in mid May. It had a 2.77 in that thread.

from a C+ to a solid B. People are coming around.

[Atlas]

Special teams were upgraded with SaurKraut, our midget return man, Gold and possibly Burns, who I think will be a good mentor.

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Those three CBs that were drafted will also play big roles on coverage teams as well. Denver definatley got faster in that area.

[crazyhorse]

from a C+ to a solid B. People are coming around.

Yeah, or waffling.

If you can swallow drafting Clarret in the 3rd an still come up smiling, you can pretty much swallow anything.

[Atlas]

Yeah, or waffling.

If you can swallow drafting Clarret in the 3rd an still come up smiling, you can pretty much swallow anything.

See who is smiling when Clarret puts 150 on your sorry chief ass, You know it's going to happen too!

[crazyhorse]

See who is smiling when Clarret puts 150 on your sorry chief ass, You know it's going to happen too!

Are you saying Bell is a bust then?

[Atlas]

Are you saying Bell is a bust then?

No they'll just save Bell for the good teams. Clarret will play on the J.V. squad.

[crazyhorse]

No they'll just save Bell for the good teams. Clarret will play on the J.V. squad.

Is that who we played last December? The JV squad?

They weren't very good.

[Atlas]

Is that who we played last December? The JV squad?

They weren't very good.

You guys played the J.Vs twice last year. Remember Griffin?

Anyway they are better this year.

[crazyhorse]

You guys played the J.Vs twice last year. Remember Griffin?

Anyway they are better this year.

Was it you saying Griffin was the next Barry Sanders? How's that workin' for ya? ROFL!

Donko fans....I love you retards.

[Atlas]

Was it you saying Griffin was the next Barry Sanders?

Nope wasn't me.

[watermock]

Wasn't me either. Check DenFan's locker, he seemed to think Sam Brandon was sliced bread. I guess he was right, since Brandon was sliced up, then cross cut.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

I don't have a problem with any of it. I did early, we were all terrified. It looked like Pryce, Hamilton, Putz and Coop might all leave. Kenoy, Hayward and had left.

The "plan" looked like Operation Barbarosa (Hitler's invasion of Russia). Of course, that "plan" started out nicely, except Hitler seemed to be incabable of understanding the vast distances involved.

At any rate, this wasn't a team like Minnesota that was sitting on 22 million in cap space. Trading away our first round pick probably allowed us to get Pryce back. Not only that, the turmoil in Washington is literally hillarious. You can allready visualize Portis with his finger in the air testing the wind. Gibbs is just about fed up, and there are other issues. That could prove to be a very high pick in a deep draft.

When east coast pundits slam these moves, they don't consider our cap position. To make these many moves considering our cap is literally astounding to me. They slam this move, they slam that move. Hey you dimwits, if the player doesn't pan out, WE CAN CUT HIM. Other than Gold, noone we signed got dick as a signing bonus, and we don't have to give a high bonus to some unproven rookie first rounder.

The DL is so deep it would take a blind squirrel not to find some acorns. We added 5 players, and 3 more are back from injury. If that isn't addressing a problem, I don't know what the hell is.

I don't see any FA QB out there worth taking. Kannell has a year under the system and IMO, has been kinda unfairly bashed. Yeah, he's no Doug Flutie off the pine, but the losses under Danno were not entirely his fault. Maybe we get a franchise QB next year if Mauck doesn't look like a keeper. I think it's stone cold obvious Denver will take a QB with one of it's top 3 picks next year.

Special teams were upgraded with SaurKraut, our midget return man, Gold and possibly Burns, who I think will be a good mentor.

Looking back, altho I freaked when we took three corners, Deltha, Willie, Herndon and Kenoy are all gone. Altho Roc absolutely stunk against Manning, he's made alot of corners look silly. The guy shattered records last year. Putting a UDFA rook against him in a playoff game had to have Shanahan pulling his glass eye out. Roc won't be the last green corner Manning will kick around like the bully on the Simpsons. When I watched that game, it seemed they had Roc playing way too far off the line.

That nightmare dismissed, other than possibly making a boneheaded move to throw DJ Williams over to Sam, it's hard to imagine we could of made anymore moves. Again, it wasn't like we had 22 million in cap space like the HornHeads to throw around.

Ditto!!!

[Bronco9798]

Hard to rate something that we haven't seen yet.

[baja]

Was it you saying Griffin was the next Barry Sanders? How's that workin' for ya? ROFL!

Donko fans....I love you retards.

That would be me and I said, " Sanders like" and I think if fully recovered he still could be.

[sirhcyennek81]

Griffin vs. Colts on sunday night was a good comparison. Agility wise, yes, they are very similar.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

I have a thoery on how this "Plan" gpot started. I think at the beginning of the off season Shannahan wanted to move the defense over to a 3-4 defense. It started with the move not to resign Reggie Hayward and the talk of trading. But the team started seeing a lot of team moving to the 3-4 defense like Cleveland, San Fransisco, and others.

Then there is a change. I think that Shananhan see that with all the team moving to a 3-4 defense that the Draft will have a shortage of players that will fit in the 3-4 defense. So what does Shananhan do? He trades out of the 1st round of this years draft. Shananhan also realizes that with all the teams moving to the 3-4 defense that there would be a lot of players that fit the 4-3 defense. Now people think the that Shananhan targeted Cleveland. The thing is I think he targeted Roemo Cronell and it just so happened that he went to Cleveland, because Shananhan knew that Romeo would be moving to a 3-4 defense. So Shananhan started sniffing around what he might be able get from them. Now without a 1st round pick and having no plans to use one Shananhan really wants to trade Droughns for palyers that can help now. He gets Cleveland to cough up Euckuban and Mike Myers for Droughns. Now people think that Shananhan really wanted Courtney Brown, but we know Shananhan and if he wants someone he's going to get him and not let him have 2.5 weeks to make up his mind.

Well then everybody says "If we were going to stay in the 4-3 then why did we let Reggie Hayward go?" Well it because what I dittoed Watermocks comments. Basicilly we to boils down to the fact that football is the ultimate team sport and for the price that it would have taken to keep 1 player we have 4 players. Now people might say "What about production?" Well I say that past production does not predict future progress. Then people say look at Bert Barry. Then I say look at everybody else. Every other D-linemen we've let go, and have they done anything of note.

[watermock]

I have a thoery on how this "Plan" gpot started. I think at the beginning of the off season Shannahan wanted to move the defense over to a 3-4 defense. It started with the move not to resign Reggie Hayward and the talk of trading. But the team started seeing a lot of team moving to the 3-4 defense like Cleveland, San Fransisco, and others.

Then there is a change. I think that Shananhan see that with all the team moving to a 3-4 defense that the Draft will have a shortage of players that will fit in the 3-4 defense. So what does Shananhan do? He trades out of the 1st round of this years draft. Shananhan also realizes that with all the teams moving to the 3-4 defense that there would be a lot of players that fit the 4-3 defense. Now people think the that Shananhan targeted Cleveland. The thing is I think he targeted Roemo Cronell and it just so happened that he went to Cleveland, because Shananhan knew that Romeo would be moving to a 3-4 defense. So Shananhan started sniffing around what he might be able get from them. Now without a 1st round pick and having no plans to use one Shananhan really wants to trade Droughns for palyers that can help now. He gets Cleveland to cough up Euckuban and Mike Myers for Droughns. Now people think that Shananhan really wanted Courtney Brown, but we know Shananhan and if he wants someone he's going to get him and not let him have 2.5 weeks to make up his mind.

Well then everybody says "If we were going to stay in the 4-3 then why did we let Reggie Hayward go?" Well it because what I dittoed Watermocks comments. Basicilly we to boils down to the fact that football is the ultimate team sport and for the price that it would have taken to keep 1 player we have 4 players. Now people might say "What about production?" Well I say that past production does not predict future progress. Then people say look at Bert Barry. Then I say look at everybody else. Every other D-linemen we've let go, and have they done anything of note.]

[fuzzy]

Was it you saying Griffin was the next Barry Sanders? How's that workin' for ya? ROFL!

Donko fans....I love you retards.

Actually we were all pretty much saying that the KC defense made Q look like sanders.

It was more of a statment to how much you guys suck.

But you didnt pick up on that *gasp*

[baja]

I have a thoery on how this "Plan" gpot started. I think at the beginning of the off season Shannahan wanted to move the defense over to a 3-4 defense. It started with the move not to resign Reggie Hayward and the talk of trading. But the team started seeing a lot of team moving to the 3-4 defense like Cleveland, San Fransisco, and others.

Then there is a change. I think that Shananhan see that with all the team moving to a 3-4 defense that the Draft will have a shortage of players that will fit in the 3-4 defense. So what does Shananhan do? He trades out of the 1st round of this years draft. Shananhan also realizes that with all the teams moving to the 3-4 defense that there would be a lot of players that fit the 4-3 defense. Now people think the that Shananhan targeted Cleveland. The thing is I think he targeted Roemo Cronell and it just so happened that he went to Cleveland, because Shananhan knew that Romeo would be moving to a 3-4 defense. So Shananhan started sniffing around what he might be able get from them. Now without a 1st round pick and having no plans to use one Shananhan really wants to trade Droughns for palyers that can help now. He gets Cleveland to cough up Euckuban and Mike Myers for Droughns. Now people think that Shananhan really wanted Courtney Brown, but we know Shananhan and if he wants someone he's going to get him and not let him have 2.5 weeks to make up his mind.

Well then everybody says "If we were going to stay in the 4-3 then why did we let Reggie Hayward go?" Well it because what I dittoed Watermocks comments. Basicilly we to boils down to the fact that football is the ultimate team sport and for the price that it would have taken to keep 1 player we have 4 players. Now people might say "What about production?" Well I say that past production does not predict future progress. Then people say look at Bert Barry. Then I say look at everybody else. Every other D-linemen we've let go, and have they done anything of note.

Now see here is an improvement over the work of Burger Bill.

[Arkie]

Then people say look at Bert Barry. Then I say look at everybody else. Every other D-linemen we've let go, and have they done anything of note.

Reggie Heyward will have an even better year lining up next to Stroud and Henderson.

[Atlas]

Reggie Heyward will have an even better year lining up next to Stroud and Henderson.

He should have at least 14 sacks this year with Henderson and Stroud there.

[Arkie]

He should have at least 14 sacks this year with Henderson and Stroud there.

and everybody will whine that we let another elite end get away.

[Atlas]

and everybody will whine that we let another elite end get away.

They will but he is overrated.

[Play2win]

and everybody will whine that we let another elite end get away.
Not if Trevor gets 16!!!

[Kaylore]

I voted for "it's rational". Like the draft, we won't know until the end of the season. Last year was smart because the two possitions we had a lot of depth at (Running Back and Corner) were the two we had the most injuries at. I hope its not the same this year.

[SoCalBronco]

Reggie Heyward will have an even better year lining up next to Stroud and Henderson.

Yep that's true and we will benefit from that with a high compensatory draft pick. If he can get 14 sacks or so like Atlas suggests, we might be able to pull down another 3rd round pick, at least a 4th.

Next year's draft could be the single most important day in determining the team's 5 year future. Look at the possibilities:
2 1sts
1 2nd
2 3rds
3 4ths

I think out of Kennedy, Herndon and Hayward, if Hayward can have a Berry type year statistically, we can snag another 3rd, and perhaps we snag an extra 4th for the combined production of Kennedy and Herndon. That's 8 selections in the first 130 or so picks. We can totally remake the starting roster through the draft alone with so many high picks.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Reggie Heyward will have an even better year lining up next to Stroud and Henderson.

But does it mean that he was worth the $6 Million that it took to get him?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Yep that's true and we will benefit from that with a high compensatory draft pick. If he can get 14 sacks or so like Atlas suggests, we might be able to pull down another 3rd round pick, at least a 4th.

Next year's draft could be the single most important day in determining the team's 5 year future. Look at the possibilities:
2 1sts
1 2nd
2 3rds
3 4ths

I think out of Kennedy, Herndon and Hayward, if Hayward can have a Berry type year statistically, we can snag another 3rd, and perhaps we snag an extra 4th for the combined production of Kennedy and Herndon. That's 8 selections in the first 130 or so picks. We can totally remake the starting roster through the draft alone with so many high picks.

Yes, and that is why this offseason will be considered a success. Those draft choices should provide the foundation for the future.

ST have definitely been upgraded with two new punters, Burns, Gold and, with luck, Williams.

This year's results will be directly related to the luck the Broncs have with the injuries to Price, Brown, Eukaban, Ellis, Engleberger, etc. A consistent pass rush will help cover for any lack of veteran depth in the secondary. However, I do believe Wabbit is correct (really going out on a limb there) that we have not seen the last of the moves and a vet DB will be brought in soon. If most of those guys remain healthy, I will bump my vote to genius.

Two forgotten moves that I think will pay off are the signings of Clement and Dayne. Broncs have a legit backup tackle for the first time I can remember. I think Dayne will surprise many and not only make the roster but contribute this year. I will bet all of my vcash that he has more yards at the end of the year than Clarett.

My biggest worry at this point is the health of Rod Smith. Broncs desperately need him to remain healthy this year as they have no one on the roster to fill his role.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

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[JCMElway]

All I've learned from talking to my friends in the press yesterday is that Denver isn't done dealing...confirming what Mediator said.

The Broncos will look for help...especially the secondary...as Training Camps & Pre-Season plays out.

Specifics are elusive, but this roster is not set yet.

Paging Mr. Taylor.....

I think Taylor would be a great fit for the D, we'd get veteran leadership, and the price is right. And now that Middlebrooks is gone......

Time to get it done!

[Pat Bowlen]

But does it mean that he was worth the $6 Million that it took to get him?
Reggie's contract is actually structured very well for that team.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Reggie's contract is actually structured very well for that team.


I know. They are paying him $10 Million this year and less year after year. But for that $10 Million we got Gold, Brown, Warren, Myers and Ekuban.

[Atlas]

I know. They are paying him $10 Million this year and less year after year. But for that $10 Million we got Gold, Brown, Warren, Myers and Ekuban.

Don't you think Pat Bowlen of all people would know this???

[Garcia Bronco]

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[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Talk about raising somethjing from the dead.