Ty Law a Chief.

[HEAV]

Ty Law and the Kansas City Chiefs have agreed in principle pending Law pass a physical and is able to prove he will be ready September 11, 2005 for opening day, according to Kansas City's 610 Sports reporter Rhonda Moss. Law's agent and the Chiefs are speaking daily, and are very close in terms of dollars.

[bendog]

hmmm, that would give them surtain, ambrose and law?

[bronco militia]

and no pass rush

[elsid13]

Well, the AFC West is going to be very tough division. Waiting for Boob and rest of the mullets to show up and troll

[TheDave]

Wonder what his Dungeons & Dragons name is going to be?

[Pat Bowlen]

Shucks.

[Tom A Hawk]

Well, the AFC West is going to be very tough division. Waiting for Boob and rest of the mullets to show up and troll

no need to troll just yet.....this is still speculation and unfounded rumor.
Most of us won't believe it until it is confirmed by CP himself.

[MT-Tdawg]

YAAAAAY!! The chefs got gimpy!! You go chefs! Yay!!!

[elsid13]

If it true, I wonder if the Chef overpaid for him? Maybe they are pushing SB this year and damn the future. God, it would be great if they became the 49ers'

[Rock Chalk]

Wont matter. Outside of New England, Law wont be able to mug and rape receivers anymore anyway.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

This is not confirmed yet. It's only on the website that the thread starter came from.


hmmm, that would give them surtain, ambrose and law?


Yes. Yes, it would. ;D And Warfield when he comes back from injury.

and no pass rush

Our pass rush netted 41 sacks last year. And we added two speedy linebackers and a defensive end. Please remove your foot from your mouth.

[Rascal]

If it true, I wonder if the Chef overpaid for him? Maybe they are pushing SB this year and damn the future. God, it would be great if they became the 49ers'

Well I wouldn't consider it a done deal just yet.

Donnie Abraham just announced he is retiring and with nobody behind him the Jets are said to go after Ty Law very hard.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Yeah, I still don't think the Chiefs are going to get Ty Law. I think there's an enormous chance he becomes a Jet. That whole AFC East is so inbred it's not even funny.

[bronco militia]

Our pass rush netted 41 sacks last year. And we added two speedy linebackers and a defensive end. Please remove your foot from your mouth.


40 sacks got you the 31 ranked defense

...the broncos had 38 and made the playoffs.

[RaiderH8r]

Yeah, I still don't think the Chiefs are going to get Ty Law. I think there's an enormous chance he becomes a Jet. That whole AFC East is so inbred it's not even funny.
What's even more funny is a Chefs fan laughing at something for being inbred.

[elsid13]

no need to troll just yet.....this is still speculation and unfounded rumor.
Most of us won't believe it until it is confirmed by CP himself.

This is not confirmed yet. It's only on the website that the thread starter came from.



Yes. Yes, it would. ;D And Warfield when he comes back from injury.



Our pass rush netted 41 sacks last year. And we added two speedy linebackers and a defensive end. Please remove your foot from your mouth.

Case made......

[Bob's your Information Minister]

40 sacks got you the 31 ranked defense

...the broncos had 38 and made the playoffs.

Our pass rush did not "suck."

[bronco militia]

Our pass rush did not "suck."

well something "sucked" on that side of the ball....

hey, if you're satisfied with your chief defense of 2004 then more power to ya. :spit:

[elsid13]

Our pass rush did not "suck."


Witty replies and statements back-up by fact like usually

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Witty replies and statements back-up by fact like usually

See post #11.

We sacked your beloved QB 6 times at Arrowhead, too.

[OrangeShadow]

You know,dont the pats always seem to know what they are doing as far as cutting players etc. Isnt there some reason they cut him beyond the cap number and injury?Im not saying there is but im guessing there is

[bendog]

You know,dont the pats always seem to know what they are doing as far as cutting players etc. Isnt there some reason they cut him beyond the cap number and injury?Im not saying there is but im guessing there is
His game is not suitable with the new rules. Not dissing him. The chorfs are finally making the moves they should've made 2 years ago.

[Mile High Shack]

Ty Law is done folks

his leg is hashed

[Jason in LA]

As much as we like to rag on KC, this is a good signing if Law is healthy. The guy can cover anybody. I hope they don't get him.

[SouthStndJunkie]

A healthy Law and Patrick Surtain would be tough. I give credit to Carl for realizing that the Chiefs have a Super Bowl caliber offense and that the window to make a run is closing as trINT and the oline get older. If the Chiefs have to overpay to get guys in, then so be it, but they very well could win the Super Bowl with that offense and the additions on defense. I applaud an organization for looking in the mirror and recognizing that the window is closing on something special. The Chiefs have a year or two left to make a run at it all. Carl finally said "Hey, let's go for it" and started bringing in guys like Bell, Surtain, and Law. If they fail so be it, but they are giving their all to make their run.

If Law is healthy, they are my pick for the Super Bowl, their offense is that good.

Of course, I picked them to win it all in 2004 and look at what happened. They could very well choke again, but they should be damn tough.

SSJ

[Ray Finkle]

See post #11.

We sacked your beloved QB 6 times at Arrowhead, too.


and missed the playoffs....if that is all you cheifs fans have to hold onto, more power to you....

[SouthStndJunkie]

Some can bash the signing because it was with KC, but if he would have signed with Denver everyone here would have been running around like a bunch of school girls.

SSJ

[Ray Finkle]

not true. I think it speaks volumes that the Browns, Pats, and Steelers have passed on him.

[SouthStndJunkie]

So you would be bashing the signing had we pulled it off?

SSJ

[clarker]

If he really signs with the Chiefs it will be a good pick up for them. Law was on PTI yesterday and said he didn't think he would end up for the Chiefs, because of money, but perhaps things have changed.

[SouthStndJunkie]

This is still a rumor though. No one else has substantiated it yet.

SSJ

[elsid13]

Some can bash the signing because it was with KC, but if he would have signed with Denver everyone here would have been running around like a bunch of school girls.

SSJ


It is good signing if Law can play, and as I stated earlier the AFC WEST is getting to be very tough division to play in. Everyone in the division has made themselves better, it will come down who can execute and game plan better. But Boob baiting is fun too.

[Ray Finkle]

So you would be bashing the signing had we pulled it off?

SSJ


all depends on $ and performance. Two coaches that know Law better then anyone passed on him...

[bronco militia]

It is good signing if Law can play, and as I stated earlier the AFC WEST is getting to be very tough division to play in. Everyone in the division has made themselves better, it will come down who can execute and game plan better. But Boob baiting is fun too.


bingo.... rofl

[Paladin]

I remember the signings of a certain QB and a certain RB by the chefs a few years ago were considered to be the harbingers of a couple of SB rings for sure. Then, when the chefs went 9-0 a couple of years ago, the chef fans were ordering replica SB rings for the family. By golly. Whooo Hooo!!!! Cleveland, Denver, and Indy sure burst that bubble!

It takes a lot of things to win the Division let alone the Bowl. What would it be like if Surtain and Law were to experience a relaspe of their vaious and sundry injuries? Or even a couple of the fabled LBs they supposedly have?

My point is that even the chefs are not immune to the whole "bad luck" thing, and so I would not anoint anyone as the apparent SB winner just yet.

Why don' t we let the season play out a bit before any one starts crowing or smacking? I apply that to the Broncos as well. And make no mistake, I am a Broncos fan.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I just hope Bob does not like my post so much that he gives me another black dotted rep. If regular rep were worth a dollar, his rep is worth about 1/10 of a peso.

SSJ

[Mediator12]

See post #11.

We sacked your beloved QB 6 times at Arrowhead, too.


Correction. Your Blitzing packages had 41 sacks last year and gave up 32 touchdowns and league high's in Big plays with 72 20+ and 22 40+ pass plays. Any pass rush that gives up 72 plays of 20 yards SUCKS.

[TheDave]

Correction. Your Blitzing packages had 41 sacks last year and gave up 32 touchdowns and league high's in Big plays with 72 20+ and 22 40+ pass plays. Any pass rush that gives up 72 plays of 20 yards SUCKS.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mediator12 again.

[TheNextStep]

IF this is true and IF Ty Law can regain his previous form, the Chiefs have to be taken seriously again.

Their pass rush wasn't horrible last year and they did add some guys who can get after the quarterback. A starting duo of Pat Surtain and Ty Law (assuming that neither suffers a drop off) is impressive as hell and even though I think Eric Warfield is a craptacular starter, he'd probably be one of the better nickel backs.

Still, the middle of that defense is still Charmin soft and their safeties are still a liability in coverage.

But, yeah... the Chiefs signing Ty Law (if healthy) isn't something other AFC West teams should celebrating...

[Hercules Rockefeller]

If true, they're really going for it this year with the expected cap issues and retirements they'll have next year.

[NaptownChief]

YAAAAAY!! The chefs got gimpy!! You go chefs! Yay!!!


Did we trade for Tatum?

[Ray Finkle]

Did we trade for Tatum?


with holmes as your RB, you are refering to Bell as gimpy?

[SouthStndJunkie]

If true, they're really going for it this year with the expected cap issues and retirements they'll have next year.

I give them credit for trying to seize the window of opportunity.

SSJ

[kcnative]

Yaayyyyy!

[bendog]

Q's the gimp, who blasted your run d, btw, not tatum.

Still a good move. The chorfs have to make it this year or blow it up. Might as well do everything they can.

[bronco militia]

Yaayyyyy!

that's enough out of you, trouble maker :griese:

[fontaine]

wow, this could be huge signing for KC if he stays healthy. IF.

[kcnative]

expected cap issues...they'll have next year

What expected cap issues? Most all of the people they signed will be good to go for a couple of years at least.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I give them credit for trying to seize the window of opportunity.

SSJ

Exactly

[NaptownChief]

I realize getting Pro Bowlers like Surtain and Law isn't near as impressive as collecting 1st round defensive busts this offseason but hey you have to give credit to the Chiefs for at least trying this offseason.

[kcnative]

Someone mentioned that the Jets were going to sign him...here's from kffl:

Jets | Law Must Lower Price? Fri, 15 Jul 2005 06:37:06 -0700

Updating previous reports, Newsday's Ken Berger reports free agent CB Ty Law (Patriots) must lower his asking price for the New York Jets to give any consideration to signing him, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.

[kcnative]

that's enough out of you, trouble maker :griese:

Eat it, donkey-lover.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

and missed the playoffs....if that is all you cheifs fans have to hold onto, more power to you....

Stop deflecting! I was merely answering the incorrect claim that we have no pass rush!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Some can bash the signing because it was with KC, but if he would have signed with Denver everyone here would have been running around like a bunch of school girls.

SSJ

Yup.

BAILEY AND LAW! OMIGARSH TRINT IS SO SCREWED!!!

[bronco militia]

Eat it, donkey-lover.

hehehehe..

hey, I thought you were banned?

[Mediator12]

I realize getting Pro Bowlers like Surtain and Law isn't near as impressive as collecting 1st round defensive busts this offseason but hey you have to give credit to the Chiefs for at least trying this offseason.

Just different ways of acquiring players Nap. Let me know when Law has actually signed. Is it just me or does Carl peterson only work in odd calendar years?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Correction. Your Blitzing packages had 41 sacks last year and gave up 32 touchdowns and league high's in Big plays with 72 20+ and 22 40+ pass plays. Any pass rush that gives up 72 plays of 20 yards SUCKS.

That would be the secondary.

[NaptownChief]

Just different ways of acquiring players Nap. Let me know when Law has actually signed. Is it just me or does Carl peterson only work in odd calendar years?


You are definitely correct in that he takes at least every other year off. As for him signing, I certainly am not banking on it. Peterson has messed up more deals in the 12th hour than any GM in NFL history. Don't have to look any further than the Rolle deal a few months ago.

[bronco militia]

well, any new news from Chief H.Q.?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

What expected cap issues? Most all of the people they signed will be good to go for a couple of years at least.

Have you even looked at their base salaries for next year? We're not even talking cap hits.

You've got 6 OL with base salaries over $1.4M, and the over 35 Roaf and Shields making over $8.5M combined. Priest will be another year older making over $3M and has threatened retirement already. TrINT will be making almost $6M and will be 36.

Your offense is aging and has some pretty high base salaries, those cap hits are even higher. I haven't even mentioned guys like Warfield, McLeon, Gonzalez, Kennison, Wesley or Woods. Besides even some of your friends at CP have mentioned they'll have cap issues next year.

[NaptownChief]

Have you even looked at their base salaries for next year? We're not even talking cap hits.

You've got 6 OL with base salaries over $1.4M, and the over 35 Roaf and Shields making over $8.5M combined. Priest will be another year older making over $3M and has threatened retirement already. TrINT will be making almost $6M and will be 36.

Your offense is aging and has some pretty high base salaries, those cap hits are even higher. I haven't even mentioned guys like Warfield, McLeon, Gonzalez, Kennison, Wesley or Woods. Besides even some of your friends at CP have mentioned they'll have cap issues next year.


Yeah but we are seriously considering giving up our 3rd round pick and ignoring that pesky cap all together.

[bronco militia]

Yeah but we are seriously considering giving up our 3rd round pick and ignoring that pesky cap all together.


Nnyah!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Have you even looked at their base salaries for next year? We're not even talking cap hits.

You've got 6 OL with base salaries over $1.4M, and the over 35 Roaf and Shields making over $8.5M combined. Priest will be another year older making over $3M and has threatened retirement already. TrINT will be making almost $6M and will be 36.

Your offense is aging and has some pretty high base salaries, those cap hits are even higher. I haven't even mentioned guys like Warfield, McLeon, Gonzalez, Kennison, Wesley or Woods. Besides even some of your friends at CP have mentioned they'll have cap issues next year.

All those hits go off the books when those guys retire. We're going to be in great shape cap-wise, unless they all stick around.

[lookin' glass]

Easier to remove foot from mouth than head from........

Bob, can you hear me. Bob.......

[kcnative]

hehehehe..

hey, I thought you were banned?

Why on Earth would lil ol me be banned?

Just because I've got -290 pts reputation doesn't mean I'm not well liked around here...

:evil:

[bendog]

All those hits go off the books when those guys retire. We're going to be in great shape cap-wise, unless they all stick around.
ah, not really that simple, bob.

[kcnative]

Hey how do you post those cheesy smilies, dammit?!?

[plummershelper]

A lot of people are saying the coaches that "knew" Law were willing to pass on him. While that may be true it can be debated which aspect they were passing on. Many assume it was his recovery from injury, but also remember, this guy was asking for some serious cash. I'm thinking the pass was more because of the risk/reward. A guy asking for a ton who's not totally healthy yet. I for one would be shouting for joy if Law came in for the broncos. Healthy or not he'd have some time to recover and have some players cover for him. JMO

[plummershelper]

why do these damn KC fans keep posting here? Don't they need to worry about getting those tires back on the roofs of their trailers?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

why do these damn KC fans keep posting here? Don't they need to worry about getting those tires back on the roofs of their trailers?

Hey, a Donkos fan started the thread.
:angel:

[kcnative]

Yeah but we are seriously considering giving up our 3rd round pick and ignoring that pesky cap all together.

LMAO

Those guys Hercules mentioned already make bank. I was under the impression we had this season and next before things went south.

[Arkie]

Hopefully, they overlook his 31 year old surgically repaired foot and offer him a $42 million contract.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

All those hits go off the books when those guys retire. We're going to be in great shape cap-wise, unless they all stick around.


Uhhh. . . no. There's the accelration of any unamortized bonus money they still have out there.

They currently have 63 players under contract for '06 with total base salaries of $71.578M. Since only 53 will count, I dropped the 10 of the guys making $310K bringing their total to barely under $68.5M in base salaries. This is without any draft picks, so add on whatever DJ will make above and beyond $310k also. This is with no signing bonuses, workout bonuses or incentives that were attained.

[kcnative]

why do these damn KC fans keep posting here? Don't they need to worry about getting those tires back on the roofs of their trailers?

Naw...I got your mamma to do it for me. All I gotta do is tape Jerry Springer so she can watch it afterwards.

[bronco militia]

Hey how do you post those cheesy smilies, dammit?!?


oh come on!! you're one of those art guys.

just wip up something.

here, try this.
http://66.49.247.155/BB/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=0&forumid=6

[kcnative]

Uhhh. . . no. There's the accelration of any unamortized bonus money they still have out there.

They currently have 63 players under contract for '06 with total base salaries of $71.578M. Since only 53 will count, I dropped the 10 of the guys making $310K bringing their total to barely under $68.5M in base salaries. This is without any draft picks, so add on whatever DJ will make above and beyond $310k also. This is with no signing bonuses, workout bonuses or incentives that were attained.

But those guys' contracts are in their final years, which means the acceleration will be minimal, if anything.

Where are you getting this info from? I'd be curious to take a look at it...

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Yeah but we are seriously considering giving up our 3rd round pick and ignoring that pesky cap all together.

We've already had that conversation this week, I'll give the CliffNotes version:

Denver never violated the cap in either instance

[SouthStndJunkie]

Native...you are wandering out of your territory. Back to your cage.

SSJ

[kcnative]

oh come on!! you're one of those art guys.

just wip up something.

here, try this.
http://66.49.247.155/BB/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=0&forumid=6

I'm worn out after altering the John Elway pic...I need EASY.

Thx

[kcnative]

We've already had that conversation this week, I'll give the CliffNotes version:

Denver never violated the cap in either instance

So then why did the NFL find otherwise?

[kcnative]

Native...you are wandering out of your territory. Back to your cage.

SSJ

Hey, this isn't the DPO, bleacher-boy. You are not king here.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

But those guys' contracts are in their final years, which means the acceleration will be minimal, if anything.

Where are you getting this info from? I'd be curious to take a look at it...

NFLPA.org has the base salaries listed of everyone under contract in the NFL.

and just doing a quick glance of the guys making over $3M next year, only Shields will be in the final year. Trent, Priest, Roaf, and Gonzalez are all signed longer.

[kcnative]

NFLPA.org has the base salaries listed of everyone under contract in the NFL.

and just doing a quick glance of the guys making over $3M next year, only Shields will be in the final year. Trent, Priest, Roaf, and Gonzalez are all signed longer.

A "quick glance," eh? (inside joke)

I saw Gonzo on PTI the other day and he said his contract is up after this season...might be an out clause or something.

Thanks though...I'll check it out.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Uhhh. . . no. There's the accelration of any unamortized bonus money they still have out there.

They currently have 63 players under contract for '06 with total base salaries of $71.578M. Since only 53 will count, I dropped the 10 of the guys making $310K bringing their total to barely under $68.5M in base salaries. This is without any draft picks, so add on whatever DJ will make above and beyond $310k also. This is with no signing bonuses, workout bonuses or incentives that were attained.

Are you sure the hit is accelerated the same way for a retirement that it is for when they are cut? I'm pretty sure most NFL contracts have a stipulation that in the case of retirement, bonus money is not accelerated. Otherwise, players could just retire early and screw the team.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Hey, this isn't the DPO, bleacher-boy. You are not king here.

I cannot protect you here my Chief's bud. Eventually these guys will drag you down with the sodomites. You will be relegated to 3:30 AM posts in the Horses Butt or the Politics thread.

SSJ

[kcnative]

Are you sure the hit is accelerated the same way for a retirement that it is for when they are cut?

Yeah...its the same as if they are cut, as far as I know.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

So then why did the NFL find otherwise?

They didn't, they found there were cap improprieties that dealt with deferred money. However no one was ever on the cap for less than they were being paid.

If Denver violated the cap twice, why would the NFL only take 3rd round picks both times? The cap is the backbone of this league's attempt at parity, an end run around that would surely bring upon harsher punishment. I'd bet that a true violation would result in multiple picks for each infraction, including at least one 1st, with fines much larger than $1M. Also the league has an escalating punishment policy, for them to basically levy the same punishment for infraction number 2 shows how little they really thought of it despite the need to punish for it.

[kcnative]

I cannot protect you here my Chief's bud. Eventually these guys will drag you down with the sodomites. You will be relegated to 3:30 AM posts in the Horses Butt or the Politics thread.

SSJ

No sodomy on my end man...though I'm batting 1000 on threads I've started that have been moved to the HB.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Are you sure the hit is accelerated the same way for a retirement that it is for when they are cut? I'm pretty sure most NFL contracts have a stipulation that in the case of retirement, bonus money is not accelerated. Otherwise, players could just retire early and screw the team.

Yes it is the same as if cut. If someone retires early, they sue for the money back, see Ricky Williams and Barry Sanders.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Yes it is the same as if cut. If someone retires early, they sue for the money back, see Ricky Williams and Barry Sanders.

I guess we're screwed then. :(

[kcnative]

they found there were cap improprieties

I don't care if you call them mushroom caps, it's still a violation of the cap rules.

"I didn't smoke marijuana, your honor...I merely inhaled the chemical reaction from burning Cannibis Sativa."

[elsid13]

I don't care if you call them mushroom caps, it's still a violation of the cap rules.

"I didn't smoke marijuana, your honor...I merely inhaled the chemical reaction from burning Cannibis Sativa."


You sure that you not Al Davis, because you sure sound a lot like him. Stop whining!!!!

[TheNextStep]

They didn't, they found there were cap improprieties that dealt with deferred money. However no one was ever on the cap for less than they were being paid.

If Denver violated the cap twice, why would the NFL only take 3rd round picks both times? The cap is the backbone of this league's attempt at parity, an end run around that would surely bring upon harsher punishment. I'd bet that a true violation would result in multiple picks for each infraction, including at least one 1st, with fines much larger than $1M. Also the league has an escalating punishment policy, for them to basically levy the same punishment for infraction number 2 shows how little they really thought of it despite the need to punish for it.

That's a load, Herc. Sorry, but that's a load.

You can play semantics as much as you like, it doesn't chage the fact that the salary cap deferment done in John Elway's contract alone freed up the money to sign Neil Smith and re-sign Mark Schlereth.

No deferments = No Schlereth, No Smith.

Yes, what Denver did was a violation of the salary cap. Yes, what Denver did gave them a competitive advantage. You go ahead and justify it to yourself any way you need to... but Denver cheated the cap, plain and simple.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I don't care if you call them mushroom caps, it's still a violation of the cap rules.

"I didn't smoke marijuana, your honor...I merely inhaled the chemical reaction from burning Cannibis Sativa."

That's a nice attempt at bring them back together, but sorry, that's not a violation of the cap. A violation of the cap would be having someone on the cap for less than they were actually paid, that never occured.

[kcnative]

Stop yer whining, NS...you pussboy.

What's up, BTW...hope everything's going well for you.

[TheNextStep]

You sure that you not Al Davis, because you sure sound a lot like him. Stop whining!!!!

Denver cheated. Al Davis said, "Hey, they're cheating!"

And Al Davis is a whiner? Please. ::)

It's not as bad as the argument that the NFL only punished the Broncos to appease Al Davis though. That one always cracks me up... since, you know, Al Davis and Paul Tagliabue are so tight and all...

[TheNextStep]

Stop yer whining, NS...you pussboy.

What's up, BTW...hope everything's going well for you.

With the lone exception of all the freakin' credits that didn't transfer when I moved, everything is going great. How about yourself, native?

[kcnative]

Hey...somebody gave me some rep!

YAYYYYYYY!

You know how it defines my existence.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

That's a load, Herc. Sorry, but that's a load.

You can play semantics as much as you like, it doesn't chage the fact that the salary cap deferment done in John Elway's contract alone freed up the money to sign Neil Smith and re-sign Mark Schlereth.

No deferments = No Schlereth, No Smith.

Yes, what Denver did was a violation of the salary cap. Yes, what Denver did gave them a competitive advantage. You go ahead and justify it to yourself any way you need to... but Denver cheated the cap, plain and simple.

Of course it freed up money to sign them, because it was a legal deferrment of salary under NFL rules. The issue was that the League said Bowlen never paid these guys (JE, TD, SS) at a later date when they were supposed to. When instructed by the League to pay, Bowlen did so immediately. The League punished Denver for not paying on time.

[Mile High Shack]

That's a load, Herc. Sorry, but that's a load.

You can play semantics as much as you like, it doesn't chage the fact that the salary cap deferment done in John Elway's contract alone freed up the money to sign Neil Smith and re-sign Mark Schlereth.

No deferments = No Schlereth, No Smith.

Yes, what Denver did was a violation of the salary cap. Yes, what Denver did gave them a competitive advantage. You go ahead and justify it to yourself any way you need to... but Denver cheated the cap, plain and simple.
Excuse me, but why in the crap are we going over this again?

It’s already been explained, if you don’t like the explanation, fine, go to the Raider board and complain about us there. WE DON’T CARE!!!! If you don’t like our explanation, tough titties


hasn't this been rehased about 1,000,000 times?

[elsid13]

Denver cheated. Al Davis said, "Hey, they're cheating!"

And Al Davis is a whiner? Please. ::)

It's not as bad as the argument that the NFL only punished the Broncos to appease Al Davis though. That one always cracks me up... since, you know, Al Davis and Paul Tagliabue are so tight and all...


The walking dead, was just pissed that Shanny out smarted him again.

[DBroncos4life]

Denver cheated. Al Davis said, "Hey, they're cheating!"

And Al Davis is a whiner? Please. ::)

It's not as bad as the argument that the NFL only punished the Broncos to appease Al Davis though. That one always cracks me up... since, you know, Al Davis and Paul Tagliabue are so tight and all...


Yeah and we still got to pick TWICE in the third round. Thanks for the picks Paul!!!

[Garcia Bronco]

Oh geeze...are we going to have the Salary Cap discussion again. Do we have to break it down for you again?

[kcnative]

With the lone exception of all the freakin' credits that didn't transfer when I moved, everything is going great. How about yourself, native?

Going well...been a while since I've "seen" you. Finished school, got married, moved to M'Boro, TN...in that order. Looking to move to Nashville in the next year, where I'll finally grow some roots.

[TheNextStep]

Excuse me, but why in the crap are we going over this again?

It’s already been explained, if you don’t like the explanation, fine, go to the Raider board and complain about us there. WE DON’T CARE!!!! If you don’t like our explanation, tough titties


hasn't this been rehased about 1,000,000 times?
Nothing personal, but your explanation is full of sh*t... so when I see y'all trying to make it, I'm going to correct it. Nothing more than that.

If you went to a Chief board and everyone said that Eric Warfield wasn't really a dangerous drunk driver because he'd never actually hit anybody, would you just let it slide?

No, didn't think so. Same thing here.

[TheNextStep]

Oh geeze...are we going to have the Salary Cap discussion again. Do we have to break it down for you again?

Please do. I'd love to hear this...

[kcnative]

Warfield is a class act and an outstanding member of the community...what are you talking about?!?

[Rausch]

no need to troll just yet.....this is still speculation and unfounded rumor.
Most of us won't believe it until it is confirmed by CP himself.

And I wouldn't hold my breath.

Not that a free agent would ever use the Chiefs to try and milk a different team for more money (Hough Douglas)...

[DBroncos4life]

Super Bowl Recaps


Game Date Result
XXXIX Feb. 6, 2005 New England 24, Philadelphia 21
XXXVIII Feb. 1, 2004 New England 32, Carolina 29
XXXVII Jan. 26, 2003 Tampa Bay 48, Oakland 21
XXXVI Feb. 3, 2002 New England 20, St. Louis 17
XXXV Jan. 28, 2001 Baltimore 34, N.Y. Giants 7
XXXIV Jan. 30, 2000 St. Louis 23, Tennessee 16
XXXIII Jan. 31, 1999 Denver 34, Atlanta 19
XXXII Jan. 25, 1998 Denver 31, Green Bay 24
XXXI Jan. 26, 1997 Green Bay 35, New England 21
XXX Jan. 28, 1996 Dallas 27, Pittsburgh 17
XXIX Jan. 29, 1995 San Francisco 49, San Diego 26
XXVIII Jan. 30, 1994 Dallas 30, Buffalo 13
XXVII Jan. 31, 1993 Dallas 52, Buffalo 17
XXVI Jan. 26, 1992 Washington 37, Buffalo 24
XXV Jan. 27, 1991 N.Y. Giants 20, Buffalo 19
XXIV Jan. 28, 1990 San Francisco 55, Denver 10
XXIII Jan. 22, 1989 San Francisco 20, Cincinnati 16
XXII Jan. 31, 1988 Washington 42, Denver 10
XXI Jan. 25, 1987 N.Y. Giants 39, Denver 20
XX Jan. 26, 1986 Chicago 46, New England 10
XIX Jan. 20, 1985 San Francisco 38, Miami 16
XVIII Jan. 22, 1984 L.A. Raiders 38, Washington 9
XVII Jan. 30, 1983 Washington 27, Miami 17
XVI Jan. 24, 1982 San Francisco 26, Cincinnati 21
XV Jan. 25, 1981 Oakland 27, Philadelphia 10
XIV Jan. 20, 1980 Pittsburgh 31, L.A. Rams 19
XIII Jan. 21, 1979 Pittsburgh 35, Dallas 31
XII Jan. 15, 1978 Dallas 27, Denver 10
XI Jan. 9, 1977 Oakland 32, Minnesota 14
X Jan. 18, 1976 Pittsburgh 21, Dallas 17
IX Jan. 12, 1975 Pittsburgh 16, Minnesota 6
VIII Jan. 13, 1974 Miami 24, Minnesota 7
VII Jan. 14, 1973 Miami 14, Washington 7
VI Jan. 16, 1972 Dallas 24, Miami 3
V Jan. 17, 1971 Baltimore 16, Dallas 13
IV Jan. 11, 1970 Kansas City 23, Minnesota 7
III Jan. 12, 1969 N.Y. Jets 16, Baltimore 7
II Jan. 14, 1968 Green Bay 33, Oakland 14
I Jan. 15, 1967 Green Bay 35, Kansas City 10



No * so I guess we didn't cheat. All this talk I thought maybe the NFL put one on there but no such luck

http://www.superbowl.com/history/recaps

[kcnative]

Well then I guess it's settled...

[TheNextStep]

No * so I guess we didn't cheat. All this talk I thought maybe the NFL put one on there but no such luck

http://www.superbowl.com/history/recaps

Now that you've completely convinced the 4 year olds in the audience, how about a legitimate argument for the grown ups?

[Rascal]

610 sports radio in KC reported the deal is finalized but law said in another kc radio station yesterday that the chiefs were only one option.

Either way i expect Law to be signed by the chiefs of jets by the end of the week. Hopefully it's the jets.

[Rascal]

I can't hear the complaints of cheating because I have two SB rings in my ears (or rather covering my eyes).

[TheNextStep]

I can't hear the complaints of cheating because I have two SB rings in my ears (or rather covering my eyes).

And that right there is the fan's ultimate trump card. By hook or by crook, you guys got the rings.

I get that... just don't try to tell me "oh, no... we didn't violate the cap in any way" because THAT is a crock of sh**.

[bronco militia]

Hey...somebody gave me some rep!

YAYYYYYYY!

You know how it defines my existence.

eat it, choke boy

[DBroncos4life]

Now that you've completely convinced the 4 year olds in the audience, how about a legitimate argument for the grown ups?



Wow I thought for sure that was a knock out blow to the whole thing. I guess its back to the drawing board.....oh by the way what do you think the odds are that either party changes its minds about this???

[kcnative]

eat it, choke boy

You better play nice or I'll give you some negative rep.

[clarker]

And that right there is the fan's ultimate trump card. By hook or by crook, you guys got the rings.

I get that... just don't try to tell me "oh, no... we didn't violate the cap in any way" because THAT is a crock of sh**.If those rings had Arrowheads instead of Horse heads on them, you wouldn't give a sh.t if the Chiefs had violated the cap. The Broncos were fined and draft picks docked, so what ever they did wrong, they were punished. Get over it.


Chief fans should worry more about fact that their team by hook or crook have never been to a Super Bowl since Nixon was President.

[TheNextStep]

If those rings had Arrowheads instead of Horse heads on them, you wouldn't give a sh.t if the Chiefs had violated the cap.

There you go being wrong again.

[clarker]

There you go being wrong again.Bullsh.t. You wouldn't care. You would be out with your Chiefs Super Bowl Championship gear.

I mean what would you do, throw away all your Chiefs gear or Raider gear or what ever fan you are. Duck your head in shame. No you would not and if you say that you would your lying.

[gunns]

How would it even be possible for the Chiefs to sign Law with what he's asking if they only were 900,000 under the cap on 4/29 and didn't they sign Surtain after that? Could they be that creative?

And KFFL is reporting that the Jets are telling Law he needs to bring his price down or they won't even consider him.

[kcnative]

lol

NS is a dreaded raider fan, Clarker.

Hey...I molested a little boy. But I served my 12 years punishment, so I'm cool.

Right?

[DBroncos4life]

You better play nice or I'll give you some negative rep.


Well Clarkers rep power is worth about 15 of yours so you better get busy.

[DBroncos4life]

How would it even be possible for the Chiefs to sign Law with what he's asking if they only were 900,000 under the cap on 4/29 and didn't they sign Surtain after that? Could they be that creative?

And KFFL is reporting that the Jets are telling Law he needs to bring his price down or they won't even consider him.


KC has softer benches for him to sit on

[TheNextStep]

Bullsh.t. You wouldn't care. You would be out with your Chiefs Super Bowl Championship gear.

I wouldn't have any Chiefs Super Bowl Championship gear. For one thing, it doesn't appeal to me... and for another, I don't believe in fairy tales like ghosts, Bigfoot, or Chiefs Super Bowl Championship gear.

I mean what would you do, throw away all your Chiefs gear or Raider gear or what ever fan you are. Duck your head in shame. No you would not and if you say that you would your lying.

Oh no... if the RAIDERS cheated on the cap to win a couple of Super Bowls, I'd certainly take the rings... but I wouldn't be so delusional as to think that I could later justify away the fact that my team cheated in order to make it happen. Hey, I love the Holy Roller play... but I'll be the first to admit that Kenny Stabler and company pulled a fast one and got away with it.

[Garcia Bronco]

Oh no... if the RAIDERS cheated on the cap to win a couple of Super Bowls, I'd certainly take the rings... but I wouldn't be so delusional as to think that I could later justify away the fact that my team cheated in order to make it happen. Hey, I love the Holy Roller play... but I'll be the first to admit that Kenny Stabler and company pulled a fast one and got away with it.

chokes...raiders it's all the same

[kcnative]

How would it even be possible for the Chiefs to sign Law with what he's asking if they only were 900,000 under the cap on 4/29 and didn't they sign Surtain after that? Could they be that creative?

And KFFL is reporting that the Jets are telling Law he needs to bring his price down or they won't even consider him.

KC would have to do some restructuring in order to sign him, which is reportedly what has already happened. I didn't think they had the way or the will to do so, but maybe I was wrong.

[DBroncos4life]

So would one leg Law go man on man with Lelie?

[clarker]

lol

NS is a dreaded raider fan, Clarker.

Hey...I molested a little boy. But I served my 12 years punishment, so I'm cool.

Right?Ok, fine but the it is the still same theory. He wouldn't care if the Raiders cheated to get a ring. I mean they use to brag that they cheated and their fans loved it. Remember John Madden, "Yeah, we cheat, what you going to do about it?"

There whole image is that they go against the rules and so it is even more bullsh.t that their fans have the balls to try to knock the Broncos or any other team about their team not following the rules. I mean what is next Ike Turner bashing O.J. for beating his wife? Give me a break.

[TheNextStep]

Ok, fine but the it is the still same theory. He wouldn't care if the Raiders cheated to get a ring. I mean they use to brag that they cheated and their fans loved it. Remember John Madden, "Yeah, we cheat, what you going to do about it?"

There whole image is that they go against the rules and so it is even more bullsh.t that their fans have the balls to try to knock the Broncos or any other team about their team not following the rules. I mean what is next Ike Turner bashing O.J. for beating his wife? Give me a break.

The difference is that Madden said, "Yeah, we cheat" whereas you guys are peddling some bullsh** justification to try to explain away the fact that you cheated in the first place.

All I'm saying is that, hey, you got your rings... but don't piss down my leg and tell me it's raining when it comes to the way you guys dicked around with the salary cap.

[RukdaFaidas]

So would one leg Law go man on man with Lelie?
I'd take one legged Law over Ash "scissorhands" Lelie every down.

[clarker]

I wouldn't have any Chiefs Super Bowl Championship gear. For one thing, it doesn't appeal to me... and for another, I don't believe in fairy tales like ghosts, Bigfoot, or Chiefs Super Bowl Championship gear.-The Next Step

That is funny. Sorry didn't thought you were a Chiefs fan. But it same thing for Raiders, you would take the rings. So will I.

[kcnative]

heh heh...I'd certainly take the rings...but wouldn't try to act like it didn't happen, or say I didn't care if they did. I wouldn't like the fact that they cheated, but I certainly wouldn't want to give back the championship.

...and I'm sure donkey fans everywhere would be putting asterisks by the Chiefs name on the SB list if the tables were turned.

[Garcia Bronco]

Compared to last year...the Chiefs have actually done something to try and upgrade their defense. If their d-line holds up the should be good.

[DBroncos4life]

I'd take one legged Law over Ash "scissorhands" Lelie every down.


You mean Ashley lead the NFL in TDs over 20 yards? You mean Ashley lead the NFL in yards per catch? Hold on one legged Law its going to be a long ride.

[clarker]

The difference is that Madden said, "Yeah, we cheat" whereas you guys are peddling some bullsh** justification to try to explain away the fact that you cheated in the first place.

All I'm saying is that, hey, you got your rings... but don't piss down my leg and tell me it's raining when it comes to the way you guys dicked around with the salary cap.The Raiders and their fans love to brag about how they throw the rules at the face of the NFL, so it is totall B.S. for a Raider and their fans to b.tch about other teams getting away with anything. Which BTW, the Broncos did not get away with anything. They got docked the picks and fined. So to me it is over.

I mean I have heard the same Raider fan brag about Jack Tatum and then bash John Lynch for being a dirty player.

So no you would probably not try to explain it away, you would brag about it or at least not care about it and then still bash Denver for cheating to get their rings.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I cannot believe that Raider and Chief fan still insists on bringing up a minor salary cap infraction to try and tarnish the Super Bowls.

Next thing you know native will start complaining about the officiating in the 1997 playoff game at Arrowhead.....wait he already does that on a consistent basis.

SSJ

[RukdaFaidas]

You mean Ashley lead the NFL in TDs over 20 yards? You mean Ashley lead the NFL in yards per catch? Hold on one legged Law its going to be a long ride.
Ty Law could cover Lelie hopping in potato sack, while blindfolded.

[kcnative]

lmao...now it's on.

You know the only time I bring it up is when you schmucks whine about Dante Hall...which, according to your post, is on a consistent basis.

[elsid13]

Ty Law could cover Lelie hopping in potato sack, while blindfolded.


Come on, that is very weak. Beside mugging someone at the line of scrimmage isn't really covering someone.

[RukdaFaidas]

Come on, that is very weak. Beside mugging someone at the line of scrimmage isn't really covering someone.
I just find it hard to believe some guy actually is saying that Law would have a hard time trying to defend Lelie.
I mean come on, fans of teams outside of the AFC West have probably never even heard of Lelie.

[DBroncos4life]

Ty Law could cover Lelie hopping in potato sack, while blindfolded.



Sure thing boss. Law just started to walk without his little boot not to long ago. His injury was a pretty bad one at that. Lelie runs just about a fast as any other wr in the NFL and with the rules the way they are Law can't touch him. Law will not have the speed to keep up with Ash and thats a fact.

[Garcia Bronco]

kc....did you post at the DPO years ago?

[Garcia Bronco]

I mean come on, fans of teams outside of the AFC West have probably never even heard of Lelie.

we hope so...we hope so.

[SouthStndJunkie]

lmao...now it's on.

You know the only time I bring it up is when you schmucks whine about Dante Hall...which, according to your post, is on a consistent basis.

I never bring that up. Whenever the 1997 game gets talked about you thrown in the dozen illegal blocks on the Dante Hell return as a defense for your whining actions.

SSJ

[SouthStndJunkie]

kc....did you post at the DPO years ago?

He still does, only it is www.thesouthstands.com now.

SSJ

[elsid13]

I just find it hard to believe some guy actually is saying that Law would have a hard time trying to defend Lelie.
I mean come on, fans of teams outside of the AFC West have probably never even heard of Lelie.


Fans don't matter, Defense Coordinators and players know who he is. Lelie speed and size make him a hard wr to cover under the new rules. Will Law win some match-up, yep, but Lelie win a little more under the new rules.

[kcnative]

kc....did you post at the DPO years ago?

Sure did...I'm still with the DPO refugees at World Crossing...you should come over there. We are a great group of guys, and I'm sure you'd find a lot of people there you remember...

How have you been? Been going to any Ratdog, Lesh or Dead shows lately? I hear their tour last year was kick arse and the light show was fantastic. I'd love to go, but it's just not the same without Jerry. I went to a few of the Further fests and it's just not the same.

[Psi]

why do these damn KC fans keep posting here? Don't they need to worry about getting those tires back on the roofs of their trailers?The admin of this site has 25,000 posts on ChiefsPlanet.

Lelie runs just about a fast as any other wr in the NFL and with the rules the way they are Law can't touch him.Good thing Lelie can't catch for ****, then...

[kcnative]

I never bring that up. Whenever the 1997 game gets talked about you thrown in the dozen illegal blocks on the Dante Hell return as a defense for your whining actions.

SSJ

Now why you gotta lie like that?

[DBroncos4life]

The admin of this site has 25,000 posts on ChiefsPlanet.

Good thing Lelie can't catch for ****, then...



I have a 1000 yards and 7tds that says otherwise. Should be more but Plummer can't hit him when he is WIDE open, but thats where the 5 or 6 PI he got for us comes into play.

[bronco militia]

looks like some of us heavy rep'ers got native out of the black...

[clarker]

looks like some of us heavy rep'ers got native out of the black...
How did that happen. What a joke.

No, Native is a good guy for a Chiefs fan.

[Garcia Bronco]

Sure did...I'm still with the DPO refugees at World Crossing...you should come over there. We are a great group of guys, and I'm sure you'd find a lot of people there you remember...

How have you been? Been going to any Ratdog, Lesh or Dead shows lately? I hear their tour last year was kick arse and the light show was fantastic. I'd love to go, but it's just not the same without Jerry. I went to a few of the Further fests and it's just not the same.


Might catch Ratdog in charlottlesville in August I believe...but I haven't decided yet. Haven't seen The Dead in a long time. Last I saw them they still were using the Other Ones title. Do you realize in August it will have been 10 years since Jerry passed away....time has flown.

[clarker]

Might catch Ratdog in charlottlesville in August I believe...but I haven't decided yet. Haven't seen The Dead in a long time. Last I saw them they still were using the Other Ones title. Do you realize in August it will have been 10 years since Jerry passed away....time has flown.They should have never made him go to rehab. And possibly got him to go on a diet.

[TheNextStep]

The Raiders and their fans love to brag about how they throw the rules at the face of the NFL, so it is totall B.S. for a Raider and their fans to b.tch about other teams getting away with anything. Which BTW, the Broncos did not get away with anything. They got docked the picks and fined. So to me it is over.

What part of "I'd have taken the rings" do you not understand? All I'm saying is that if you know that your team bent some rules along the way, own up to it.

It is absolute incontrovertible fact that John Elway's salary deferment was deemed by the league to be a salary cap violation. It is absolute incontrovertible fact that if Elway hadn't deferred his salary, Denver would not have had the money to pay Schlereth or Smith. Since both Schlereth and Smith started on that Super Bowl team, how can you say that Denver "didn't get away with anything?" Yes, they sure as hell did! They got away with bending the salary cap rules in order to pay two starters whom they would otherwise not have been able to fit under the salary cap.

I mean I have heard the same Raider fan brag about Jack Tatum and then bash John Lynch for being a dirty player.

First off, that Raider fan wasn't me, so I don't really give a damn. Second, Jack Tatum played within the framework of the rules at the time. Yes, he would be considered a dirty player if he played under today's rules... but so would Steve Atwater. It isn't Jack (or Steve's) fault that the league has watered down how physical defenses are allowed to play. Two years ago, Kennoy Kennedy was considered by everyone outside of Bronco-land to be a dirty player... but 20 years ago, people would have celebrated him as a hard hitting, tough nosed safety. The game has changed. As for Lynch, I don't think he's a dirty player... so, please, don't attribute what somebody else said to me.

So no you would probably not try to explain it away, you would brag about it or at least not care about it and then still bash Denver for cheating to get their rings.

On the contrary, I don't really f*** with the Steelers about the Immaculate Reception because a lot of them have said, "hey, we got away with one." Ditto that for the Music City Miracle. Rules get bent and bad calls get made and that's part of life in the NFL... but that doesn't mean that everyone has to go around after the fact pretending that those rules weren't bent or that bad call wasn't made.

[kcnative]

Crazy it's been 10 years. time does fly.

I'm just lucky I was able to go to the very last show in Chicago. GREAT show...The Band opened, and it was the last show for summer tour, so they had a kick ass fireworks show at the end. It made pictures...steal your face, american flag, etc.

very very very very very cool...

[TheNextStep]

I cannot believe that Raider and Chief fan still insists on bringing up a minor salary cap infraction to try and tarnish the Super Bowls.

Again, your "minor salary cap infraction" allowed you to sign two guys who started for you that season. That being the case, I think dismissing it as "minor" is a bit overly optimistic.

[kcnative]

The music city miracle was a good call. I've seen them do mathematical analysis on it and while it was about as close to a forward pass as you can get, it didn't go forward and thus was a good call.

That still goes down for me as one of the best plays ever. What sucks for me is I didn't think there was any way it wouldn't be called back, so I didn't even get excited (I'm a TN resident) until after the play/game was over.

[bronco militia]

Again, your "minor salary cap infraction" allowed you to sign two guys who started for you that season. That being the case, I think dismissing it as "minor" is a bit overly optimistic.

uh, please read through this thread

http://66.49.247.155/BB/showthread.php?t=27764&page=1

[Atlas]

Again, your "minor salary cap infraction" allowed you to sign two guys who started for you that season. That being the case, I think dismissing it as "minor" is a bit overly optimistic.


It was well worth a 3rd round pick

[SouthStndJunkie]

Again, your "minor salary cap infraction" allowed you to sign two guys who started for you that season. That being the case, I think dismissing it as "minor" is a bit overly optimistic.

Just another broncomyth.

SSJ

[Atlas]

Again, your "minor salary cap infraction" allowed you to sign two guys who started for you that season. That being the case, I think dismissing it as "minor" is a bit overly optimistic.

The fact is that both Shanny and Bowlen thought the way they were deferring the money was legal. They were open and honest with the league from day one and IF they had know what they were doing was illegal they would have found another way to keep Schlereth and Smith so you can be upset all you want but it really made little difference besides the fact it cost Denver a 3rd rounder.

[clarker]

What part of "I'd have taken the rings" do you not understand? All I'm saying is that if you know that your team bent some rules along the way, own up to it.

It is absolute incontrovertible fact that John Elway's salary deferment was deemed by the league to be a salary cap violation. It is absolute incontrovertible fact that if Elway hadn't deferred his salary, Denver would not have had the money to pay Schlereth or Smith. Since both Schlereth and Smith started on that Super Bowl team, how can you say that Denver "didn't get away with anything?" Yes, they sure as hell did! They got away with bending the salary cap rules in order to pay two starters whom they would otherwise not have been able to fit under the salary cap.



First off, that Raider fan wasn't me, so I don't really give a damn. Second, Jack Tatum played within the framework of the rules at the time. Yes, he would be considered a dirty player if he played under today's rules... but so would Steve Atwater. It isn't Jack (or Steve's) fault that the league has watered down how physical defenses are allowed to play. Two years ago, Kennoy Kennedy was considered by everyone outside of Bronco-land to be a dirty player... but 20 years ago, people would have celebrated him as a hard hitting, tough nosed safety. The game has changed. As for Lynch, I don't think he's a dirty player... so, please, don't attribute what somebody else said to me.



On the contrary, I don't really **** with the Steelers about the Immaculate Reception because a lot of them have said, "hey, we got away with one." Ditto that for the Music City Miracle. Rules get bent and bad calls get made and that's part of life in the NFL... but that doesn't mean that everyone has to go around after the fact pretending that those rules weren't bent or that bad call wasn't made.1. Jack Tatum was considered dirty even back then. But the rest of that I agree with. The NFL is trying to make their game arean ball.

My point is that every time the Broncos Super Bowls are brought up, one of you Raider fans or Chiefs fans bring up the cap thing. Fine. But Raiders were known to cheat any chance they got when they won their rings and John Madden and their fans even brag about it. So don't expect Broncos fans to hold their heads down in shame when talking about '97 and '98.

[watermock]

So when does Law get off "ambulatory" status to "shows significant progress?"

[NaptownChief]

Again, your "minor salary cap infraction" allowed you to sign two guys who started for you that season. That being the case, I think dismissing it as "minor" is a bit overly optimistic.



It depends on what the meaning of "is" is.....

[watermock]

I'm not going to sort thru multiple pages.

Anyone have estimated terms on the deal?

[kcnative]

Looks like WEEI out of Boston is reporting it as well...still no major news sources though.

[elsid13]

I'm not going to sort thru multiple pages.

Anyone have estimated terms on the deal?


no confirmed deal yet, just a KC radio report.

[Broncoman13]

It's still just a rumor!!!!!!!!! LMAO, 7 pages of a rumored signing!

[elsid13]

It's still just a rumor!!!!!!!!! LMAO, 7 pages of a rumored signing!


Think of it instead as 7 pages of mullet baiting...

[Broncoman13]

Couldn't you have just told them that they were going to win the SB this year and sit back and watch. These knuckleheads will argue over anythingl... even if it's in their favor!

[Raiders Rock]

This is gonna be a fun damn year for the AFC West...

Nobody is gonna have an excuse...

[Kaylore]

Just so you all know, Ty Law was on that stupid show after around the horn yesterday and when they asked him if he was going to the Chiefs, he said that "it doesn't look like they have the room for both myself and Surtain."

On a side note, I would think that he would want the absolute highest amount of money he could get. I mean he's already played for a dynasty, won multiple championships, and gone to pro-bowls. I think now he just wants set up an enormous nest egg and then retire quietly in some team that's not going anywhere. This tells me he's looking for 1. A multiple year contract. and 2. One that is nice with fewer incentives so he can drink kool-aid on the sidelines and still get paid.

Samari Rolle was also a "lock" for the chiefs at one point, and that fell through. Until I read something concrete, I don't believe it.

[TheNextStep]

Just another broncomyth.

SSJ

I'm sorry, man, but no it isn't.

1. It is a matter of PUBLIC RECORD that the NFL fined the Broncos and docked a draft pick over John Elway's contract because it was a circumvention of the salary cap. That is absolute FACT and you cannot argue that.

2. It is a matter of PUBLIC RECORD that restructuring Elway's contract is what allowed the Broncos to sign a key free agent and also to re-sign one of their starters.

Don't believe me? Fine... believe Mike Shanahan:

"I don't believe anybody really thought he was on the decline. There were a number of teams in the NFL who wanted Neil Smith. This was a chance to upgrade our team by getting the premier defensive end in the league. This signing brings a great player to a good defense, and allows us to do some things defensively we've been wanting to do."

Although the Broncos had little room under the salary cap, Shanahan said the signing was possible after Elway's lucrative contract was restructured "a couple days ago."

"We've got some flexibility under the cap," Shanahan said. "We worked John Elway's salary around to free up some more cap money, which enabled us to not only sign Neil, but hopefully a couple of other players before the season starts. It's the only contract we've restructured."

SOURCE (http://www.jsonline.com/packer/sbxxxii/news/free41397.html)

That was the year that Neil first signed with the team. The following year, Denver AGAIN restructured Elway's contract - this time reports even specifically mentioned a sizeable "deferment" - which allowed them to re-sign Smith and also to re-sign Schlereth.

DENVER -- In a move to give the Denver Broncos more space under the salary cap, John Elway deferred a March 1 roster bonus of $1.45 million, according to a published report.

Elway's decision in late February allowed the Broncos to sign left guard Mark Schlereth and defensive end Neil Smith to new contracts. Elway was given an extra $155,000 for agreeing to postpone the payment and would have to be a member of the Broncos to get the $1.6 million payment in March 1999.

SOURCE (http://www.augustachronicle.com/stories/050998/spo_124-1677.shtml)

I'm sorry, man... but without Elway's deferment, you don't have Smith or Schlereth. That's not myth.

[TheNextStep]

It was well worth a 3rd round pick

See? I can respect that. Yeah, as a rival fan, it chaps my hide a bit... but, shoot, at least you're being honest about it. And it isn't like anybody can take those rings back...

[Bronx33]

This is gonna be a fun damn year for the AFC West...

Nobody is gonna have an excuse...


I'am sure Moss will have an excuse (I can't score if i don't get the rock!)

[Kaylore]

See? I can respect that. Yeah, as a rival fan, it chaps my hide a bit... but, shoot, at least you're being honest about it. And it isn't like anybody can take those rings back...
Nope. Mwa ha ha ha!!!!!

[watermock]

That was before Warfield became part of the Breakfast Club. Law isn't even recovered from his foot injury, yet alone in game condition, plus he has to adjust to Goonther's scheme. It's incredibly problematic that he's going to be up to speed when we play them early.

[Rascal]

I think what chaps your hide even more is that shanny was smart enough to do it when we had the chance for a SB and subsequently another and gruden/davis didn't when you guys had your chance. :)

[Raiders Rock]

I'am sure Moss will have an excuse (I can't score if i don't get the rock!)

Nobody in the NFL can cover Moss one on one...... tsk tsk
I am just glad to see Big Al's move has the west spending that ca$h
:~ohyah!:

[bendog]

What part of "I'd have taken the rings" do you not understand? All I'm saying is that if you know that your team bent some rules along the way, own up to it.

It is absolute incontrovertible fact that John Elway's salary deferment was deemed by the league to be a salary cap violation. It is absolute incontrovertible fact that if Elway hadn't deferred his salary, Denver would not have had the money to pay Schlereth or Smith. Since both Schlereth and Smith started on that Super Bowl team, how can you say that Denver "didn't get away with anything?" Yes, they sure as hell did! They got away with bending the salary cap rules in order to pay two starters whom they would otherwise not have been able to fit under the salary cap.



First off, that Raider fan wasn't me, so I don't really give a damn. Second, Jack Tatum played within the framework of the rules at the time. Yes, he would be considered a dirty player if he played under today's rules... but so would Steve Atwater. It isn't Jack (or Steve's) fault that the league has watered down how physical defenses are allowed to play. Two years ago, Kennoy Kennedy was considered by everyone outside of Bronco-land to be a dirty player... but 20 years ago, people would have celebrated him as a hard hitting, tough nosed safety. The game has changed. As for Lynch, I don't think he's a dirty player... so, please, don't attribute what somebody else said to me.



On the contrary, I don't really **** with the Steelers about the Immaculate Reception because a lot of them have said, "hey, we got away with one." Ditto that for the Music City Miracle. Rules get bent and bad calls get made and that's part of life in the NFL... but that doesn't mean that everyone has to go around after the fact pretending that those rules weren't bent or that bad call wasn't made.

No offense, but as I recall the Duke deferment was not a cap violation in terms of total cap per year and a competitive advantage, but more a paper deferment so Bowlen didn't actually have to give him the cash the year he paid his share of the Diaphram.

[Bronx33]

Nobody in the NFL can cover Moss one on one...... tsk tsk
I am just glad to see Big Al's move has the west spending that ca$h
:~ohyah!:


I'll agree with that but the point is him getting the ball.......if Ds get in collins face MOssy doesn't get the ball.

[TheNextStep]

I think what chaps your hide even more is that shanny was smart enough to do it when we had the chance for a SB and subsequently another and gruden/davis didn't when you guys had your chance. :)

Honestly, no.

It's more the idea that even cheaters hate being cheated. You ever see a pool hustler get hustled?

They generally don't take it very well.

[Atlas]

I'm sorry, man, but no it isn't.

1. It is a matter of PUBLIC RECORD that the NFL fined the Broncos and docked a draft pick over John Elway's contract because it was a circumvention of the salary cap. That is absolute FACT and you cannot argue that.

2. It is a matter of PUBLIC RECORD that restructuring Elway's contract is what allowed the Broncos to sign a key free agent and also to re-sign one of their starters.

Don't believe me? Fine... believe Mike Shanahan:



SOURCE (http://www.jsonline.com/packer/sbxxxii/news/free41397.html)

That was the year that Neil first signed with the team. The following year, Denver AGAIN restructured Elway's contract - this time reports even specifically mentioned a sizeable "deferment" - which allowed them to re-sign Smith and also to re-sign Schlereth.



SOURCE (http://www.augustachronicle.com/stories/050998/spo_124-1677.shtml)

I'm sorry, man... but without Elway's deferment, you don't have Smith or Schlereth. That's not myth.

The fact is that both Shanny and Bowlen thought the way they were deferring the money was legal. They were open and honest with the league from day one and IF they had know what they were doing was illegal they would have found another way to keep Schlereth and Smith so you can be upset all you want but it really made little difference besides the fact it cost Denver a 3rd rounder.

[TheNextStep]

No offense, but as I recall the Duke deferment was not a cap violation in terms of total cap per year and a competitive advantage, but more a paper deferment so Bowlen didn't actually have to give him the cash the year he paid his share of the Diaphram.

That's just not the case. Read post #175. That's a newspaper report from the time.

DENVER -- In a move to give the Denver Broncos more space under the salary cap, John Elway deferred a March 1 roster bonus of $1.45 million, according to a published report.

Elway's decision in late February allowed the Broncos to sign left guard Mark Schlereth and defensive end Neil Smith to new contracts. Elway was given an extra $155,000 for agreeing to postpone the payment and would have to be a member of the Broncos to get the $1.6 million payment in March 1999.

It did have a total salary cap ramification, did allow them to sign players they would otherwise have not been able to afford, and did therefore give them a competitive advantage.

[Raiders Rock]

I'll agree with that but the point is him getting the ball.......if Ds get in collins face MOssy doesn't get the ball.

We have two more on the field and one on the bench that can then.

Problem children never say another word after they go to Oakland.... watch and see, Moss will be a happy camper at Oakland and with a legitimate back in the backfield now, they won't be so happy to send the entire D anymore to get in Collins face, I admit, Collins is slow as molasses and I call him cement feet myself but he has one of the best arms in the NFL and it will show this year.

I don't know alot about Jordan, don't know how he averaged so many yards and don't know if an opposing team just fell back in coverage expecting a pass play when he came on the field to get him that high avg, but I do know the Raiders wanted him last year, and they got him this year.

We shall see

RR

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I'm sorry, man... but without Elway's deferment, you don't have Smith or Schlereth. That's not myth.

I'm going to explain this again for the 2nd time in this thread since you didn't feel the need to respond to it the first time. The deferments that dealt with Elway, Sharpe, and Davis were legal deferments. The issue that arose was that the league claimed Denver was late in paying back the deferred money to the players. To say that the deferment itself was the violation is 100% incorrect.

Of course the deferred money lead to the signings, that's why they deferred the money in the first place. Deferring money on contracts is allowed in the NFL.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

It did have a total salary cap ramification, did allow them to sign players they would otherwise have not been able to afford, and did therefore give them a competitive advantage.

Only if deferments are illegal under the CBA/salary cap structure, since that's not the case, the move was ok.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

The fact is that both Shanny and Bowlen thought the way they were deferring the money was legal. They were open and honest with the league from day one and IF they had know what they were doing was illegal they would have found another way to keep Schlereth and Smith so you can be upset all you want but it really made little difference besides the fact it cost Denver a 3rd rounder.

Infraction #2 dealt with deferments they thought were legal. Infraction #1 dealt with deferred money, but it was money that was properly deferred.

[watermock]

Nobody in the NFL can cover Moss one on one...... tsk tsk
I am just glad to see Big Al's move has the west spending that ca$h
:~ohyah!:

Baloney, and a total assertion. He only played 7 games in Minnesota last year, and has a chronic ankle. He's not close to the player he was 4 years ago. Raider Fan trolling around proclaiming Moss as the Savior is hillarious.

Moss will make two or three big plays, maybe in a game. He rarely drops balls, but isn't even close to what they think. It's not an issue of covering Moss, it's an issue about his taking 3/4 of a game off, making an ass out of himself, and his chronic ankle. I've watchied this Buitthead play for Minnesota. Enjoy.

[Wes Mantooth]

While everyone and their mother knew that the Broncs deffered J.E. salary, why did it take so long for the league to catch up? Doesn't the league monitor this stuff? I can't imagine that they don't scrutinize every move that any team makes. Point is, I believe the league knew the details of the signings. Its on them to approve or dissaprove a signing based on its own regulations.

That's just not the case. Read post #175. That's a newspaper report from the time.



It did have a total salary cap ramification, did allow them to sign players they would otherwise have not been able to afford, and did therefore give them a competitive advantage.

[crazyhorse]

I'm going to explain this again for the 2nd time in this thread since you didn't feel the need to respond to it the first time. The deferments that dealt with Elway, Sharpe, and Davis were legal deferments. The issue that arose was that the league claimed Denver was late in paying back the deferred money to the players. To say that the deferment itself was the violation is 100% incorrect.

Of course the deferred money lead to the signings, that's why they deferred the money in the first place. Deferring money on contracts is allowed in the NFL.

Deferring money is illegal in the NFL.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Deferring money is illegal in the NFL.

No, deferring money is not illegal in the NFL.

Section 11. Deferred Paragraph 5: A Player Contract may provide for deferral of no more than 50% of the player’s Salary up to and including a total of the first $1 million, and may provide for deferral of no more than 75% of the player’s Salary in excess of $1 million.

That's Section 11 of Article XXXVIII of the CBA.

http://www.nflpa.org/Members/main.asp?subPage=CBA+Complete

[Great13]

No, deferring money is not illegal in the NFL.



That's Section 11 of Article XXXVIII of the CBA.

http://www.nflpa.org/Members/main.asp?subPage=CBA+Complete


http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/7974/misc166tr.th.jpg (http://img320.imageshack.us/my.php?image=misc166tr.jpg)

[Raiders Rock]

Baloney, and a total assertion. He only played 7 games in Minnesota last year, and has a chronic ankle. He's not close to the player he was 4 years ago. Raider Fan trolling around proclaiming Moss as the Savior is hillarious.

Moss will make two or three big plays, maybe in a game. He rarely drops balls, but isn't even close to what they think. It's not an issue of covering Moss, it's an issue about his taking 3/4 of a game off, making an ass out of himself, and his chronic ankle. I've watchied this Buitthead play for Minnesota. Enjoy.

Damn Mock.... more than a 3 word reply?
I will have you cussing me out again real soon in the Donko chatroom and pulling out the last 3 hairs in your head.

RR

[clarker]

No, deferring money is not illegal in the NFL.



That's Section 11 of Article XXXVIII of the CBA.

http://www.nflpa.org/Members/main.asp?subPage=CBA+CompleteCase closed.

[Bronx33]

Ok back to Ty Law???? is his fot surgery a factor in his being brought on by the chefs? and will it hinder the deal?

[clarker]

Ok back to Ty Law???? is his fot surgery a factor in his being brought on by the chefs? and will it hinder the deal?I think that is the only factor that he is not a Chief right now. Or at least signed by someone.

[Bronx33]

I think that is the only factor that he is not a Chief right now. Or at least signed by someone.


I guess i should have added (if) because i read unofficial reports like this....


Ty Law and the Kansas City Chiefs have agreed in principle pending Law pass a physical and is able to prove he will be ready September 11, 2005 for opening day, according to Kansas City's 610 Sports reporter Rhonda Moss. Law's agent and the Chiefs are speaking daily, and are very close in terms of dollars.

Posted July 15, by Ben Maller
www.benmaller.com

[clarker]

I guess i should have added (if) because i read unofficial reports like this....


Ty Law and the Kansas City Chiefs have agreed in principle pending Law pass a physical and is able to prove he will be ready September 11, 2005 for opening day, according to Kansas City's 610 Sports reporter Rhonda Moss. Law's agent and the Chiefs are speaking daily, and are very close in terms of dollars.

Posted July 15, by Ben Maller
www.benmaller.comI'm just saying that if he hadn't been hurt, the Chiefs or some other team would have gave him the cash he wanted a long time ago.

[SoCalBronco]

very interesting. If acquired, the Chiefs would be the favorite in the division i must admit. Law has to get healthy though, but he has time. I wonder if he is doing this to force the hand of some other teams to put it up now or im gone. Either way, good move by Carl. Very good for them.

[Bronco9798]

Someone may have posted this already but I didn't feel like reading all the posts on this one.

Law was interviewed on ESPN Radio with Trey Wingo.

Says he is now 100 percent.

Said he made a mistake by visiting teams while he was injured.

Says he is the best CornerBack in the League, Period. He is ready to sign with somebody now. He said he broke his foot not his ability to play football and whoever signs him will realize how valuable he is.

Said he talked to Belichik last week and there is a possibility that he returns to NE.

Said talks are heating up right now with a couple of teams but teams shouldn't waste their time by calling and checking on him and how he is doing, they need to call if they want to talk contract.

He was very high on himself and very confident about his abilities for this year. Say's he can help take a team all the way this year.

Interesting interview.

[Bronx33]

Someone may have posted this already but I didn't feel like reading all the posts on this one.

Law was interviewed on ESPN Radio with Trey Wingo.

Says he is now 100 percent.

Said he made a mistake by visiting teams while he was injured.

Says he is the best CornerBack in the League, Period. He is ready to sign with somebody now. He said he broke his foot not his ability to play football and whoever signs him will realize how valuable he is.

Said he talked to Belichik last week and there is a possibility that he returns to NE.

Said talks are heating up right now with a couple of teams but teams shouldn't waste their time by calling and checking on him and how he is doing, they need to call if they want to talk contract.

He was very high on himself and very confident about his abilities for this year. Say's he can help take a team all the way this year.

Interesting interview.



That kinda tells me he just wants a payday and someone to hire him and shoot from the hip and not look into his foot injury,of course hes going to say he's 100% he would stupid not to.(Says he is the best CornerBack in the League, Period.) no ego there ehhhh?

[SoCalBronco]

9798, when was this interview? Did he not mention the chiefs at all?

[Bronco9798]

9798, when was this interview? Did he not mention the chiefs at all?


The interview was after 2:00 pm (CST) sports update. He wouldn't comment on a team but mentioned that Jax, Jets, Chiefs, Lions, Ne, were all intersted and his agent has had conversations with all of them. He didn't want to get into any particulars about any team. He said the next phone call that he gets from his agent (Potson) should be about a contract. Again, he said he thinks the next couple of days and then went onto to say that if he wasn't signed soon that he wouldn't be nervous, but anxious. (Whatever that means).

I liked his attitude. He talks himself up in a very positive manner if that makes any sense. He really has a lot of self-confidence. I liked that about him.

[Bronco9798]

Chiefs | Law Deal Getting Closer?
Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:24:26 -0700

<A href="http://www.kffl.com/link/164">Mike Reiss, of the Metrowest Daily News (http://www.kffl.com/link/165), reports WEEI radio in Boston has been reporting that free agent CB Ty Law (http://www.kffl.com/player/1146/nfl) (Patriots) has reached a contract agreement with the Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.kffl.com/team/21/nfl), pending a physical. Neither the Chiefs, nor other source are confirming the news at this point.

This has actually been reported on all day,,but it apears again tonight.....

[Bronx33]

Chiefs | Nothing Imminent with Law
Sat, 16 Jul 2005 06:57:31 -0700

Updating ongoing stories, the Kansas City Star's Elizabeth Merrill reports the Kansas City Chiefs are still in contact with free agent CB Ty Law's (Patriots) agents, but nothing is imminent and no visit is scheduled, a person close to the situation said Friday, July 15. Head coach **** Vermeil has said that the Chiefs would like to sign Law but that cap constraints are an issue.

[wabbit]

New York is reportedly stepping up with a pretty strong dollar number this next week, so Law will have some solid offers to consider.

Maybe just the cynic in me, but I'm betting he would like to wait until...say...about half-way through training camp before inking a deal...that way, he avoids the really hard conditioning.

[ZachKC]

Seems this Elizibeth Merrill chick has taken over the day to day Chiefs reporting. I like her a little bit better than Teicher so far.

[rbackfactory80]

Yeah, I still don't think the Chiefs are going to get Ty Law. I think there's an enormous chance he becomes a Jet. That whole AFC East is so inbred it's not even funny.

No you guys just took two players from the Afc east. Surtain, knight, raiders got lamont jordan.