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SoCalBronco
07-14-2005, 12:38 AM
Taken from Andrew Mason's blog, entitled "Horse Sense" at the team board, his response to one question:


A Broncos fan in the armed forces has many questions about players ...

How did these players do in camp? There seems to be absolutely nothing on these guys. Has the team just already decided who will seriously compete for their respective positions? For instance, I've always thought that Dayne would flourish outside of New York (without Tiki) but somehow it seems as though he may be placed on the shelf again. And what about Wesley Duke? I didn't even see him on the roster when I looked at denverpost.com's listing. The players below are the ones I'm most curious about. I'm serving in the U.S. Navy and am about to come home and study at CU Boulder, so I'm sure I'll see more when I get there, but for now I'm relying heavily on you.

Chad Friehauf
Maurice Clarett
Ron Dayne
Brandon Miree
Dorsett Davis
Terry Pierce
Brandon Browner
Domonique Foxworth
Karl Paymah
Darrent Williams
Wesley Duke

Gabe Morris

Okay, Gabe, here goes ...

Friehauf is faring well, but he's got a huge jump from Division II to the NFL; General Manager Ted Sundquist compared his progress at this point to that of Bradlee Van Pelt and Matt Mauck from last year. Clarett and Dayne have been working together; Clarett spoke in May of how Dayne has helped him get adjusted to the NFL, and both are similar runners. With both, the training-camp practices in pads and the preseason games will tell quite a bit, but Dayne has mentioned how comfortable he is in the Broncos' running game because it closely resembles the one-cut style he used at Wisconsin from 1996-99. Miree worked at fullback at mini-camp, but will face a tough battle with incumbent Kyle Johnson and third-year back Cecil Sapp in the mix.

Davis remains in the scrum at defensive tackle, but faces the most important camp of his career. Yet even with all the veterans -- both from Cleveland and holdovers like Marco Coleman, Luther Elliss and Raylee Johnson -- the Broncos need some of the younger candidates like Davis, all-NFL Europe selection Aaron Hunt and Anton Palepoi to step up.

"When you're filled with some veteran guys, the reality of the game is that there are injuries," Sundquist said. "The older you get, the more susceptible you are to injury, and should one of those guys go down, you've got to be prepared and ready."

As for the rookie cornerbacks ... you can pretty much lump them together right now, in defensive coordinator Larry Coyer's eyes. None has separated from the pack as of yet.

"It's really hard because they've all had their days," Coyer said during mini-camp. "They've made some plays. Foxworth's been consistent. Paymah's going to develop. Darrent had a day where he had four picks in a single practice, so they've all had their days. What it comes down to is consistency."

We'll have more on the rookie corners later today, and will profile Browner on Friday. The most common phrase heard regarding Browner is a comparison to Walls -- except with the size and bulk to go stop the run, which in part led to his shift over to safety.

As for Duke, Sundquist specifically mentioned him as someone whose progress won't be accurately measured until he dons pads, especially considering that he hasn't played football since high school.

Hope that helps! May God bless you and bring you home safely. We look forward to having you back home in the Centennial State.

KillerBronco#76
07-14-2005, 12:56 AM
nice find socal, Thats probley one of the best things mason has written cant wait till to read up on how browner is doing i have high hopes for him.

wabbit
07-14-2005, 01:12 AM
It certainly beats the smiley-faced rah-rah from the home site.

I know Coyer is pretty excited about the quick progress of Foxworth.

I also know Denver was stunned that Browner wasn't drafted & went after him within minutes of the conclusion of the draft.

The Freihauf kid has an NFL arm. He can wing the thing, but that step up to the NFL really is a hyper-jump into another galaxy. He'll have to be groomed with the hope that if he shows real promise, no-one else will snap him up.

The mini-camp gave coaches a good chance to see what kind of condition the players are in AND if the injured guys are really coming along. It also introduces the rookies to the vets and believe me, that's an eye-opener for them.

Besides the introductions & base evaluations, this most recent mini-camp was little more than a meet & greet.

Kaylore
07-14-2005, 03:28 AM
Wow, that was an amazing article by Andrew. He's been doing very well lately.

ØrangeÇrush
07-14-2005, 05:40 AM
I think that Andrew Mason is really being responsive to fans. He's taken a lot of criticism from here and elsewhere, but he's really stepped his game up. Its nice to see someone in the position he's in answering questions on a fairly regular basis.

Good Job Andrew!

fontaine
07-14-2005, 05:47 AM
What I'd love is for someone who'll be attending upcoming camps to compare how Foxworth/Paymah/Williams are doing compared to Lesuer/Shoate who were outplayed by a undrafted rookie free agent in Roc Alexander so that I have some assurance that we haven't yet again picked up busts at CB.

baja
07-14-2005, 06:46 AM
I think that Andrew Mason is really being responsive to fans. He's taken a lot of criticism from here and elsewhere, but he's really stepped his game up. Its nice to see someone in the position he's in answering questions on a fairly regular basis.

Good Job Andrew!

I haven't seen anyone down on Andrew, it's Burgerr Bill that gets all the critizism and rightly so.

Play2win
07-14-2005, 07:25 AM
I haven't seen anyone down on Andrew, it's Burgerr Bill that gets all the critizism and rightly so.
Don't you mean Bronco BILLY? ;D


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Mediator12
07-14-2005, 09:21 AM
It's really hard because they've all had their days," Coyer said during mini-camp. "They've made some plays. Foxworth's been consistent. Paymah's going to develop. Darrent had a day where he had four picks in a single practice, so they've all had their days. What it comes down to is consistency."

The reason Willie is gone: Consistency. My money is that Paymah is going to turn into the Nickle back sooner rather than later. All three will play at some point this season, if not for ST's, then in the nickel. The dime will not be around as much with the excellent LB Depth for the Nickel.

ØrangeÇrush
07-14-2005, 09:38 AM
It's really hard because they've all had their days," Coyer said during mini-camp. "They've made some plays. Foxworth's been consistent. Paymah's going to develop. Darrent had a day where he had four picks in a single practice, so they've all had their days. What it comes down to is consistency."

The reason Willie is gone: Consistency. My money is that Paymah is going to turn into the Nickle back sooner rather than later. All three will play at some point this season, if not for ST's, then in the nickel. The dime will not be around as much with the excellent LB Depth for the Nickel.

I'm taking it that it will depend on the slot receiver during week-to-week matchups. Williams may be small but he has excellent quickness, and agility. He'd be ideal vs someone like Brandon Stokley. Whereas Paymah is bigger and more of a press DB. He'd much more suited to a bigger possesion-type of receiver. I'm surprised that Browner isn't in the mix. He's one of the few College DBs that effectively shutdown Mike Williams.

Mediator12
07-14-2005, 09:47 AM
I'm taking it that it will depend on the slot receiver during week-to-week matchups. Williams may be small but he has excellent quickness, and agility. He'd be ideal vs someone like Brandon Stokley. Whereas Paymah is bigger and more of a press DB. He'd much more suited to a bigger possesion-type of receiver. I'm surprised that Browner isn't in the mix. He's one of the few College DBs that effectively shutdown Mike Williams.

Browner is going to play FS. Hopefully, he will be in the red Zone defense versus the 3 WR sets. From what I hear, he is a much better tackler than given credit too.

As for the nickel CB, I think you are absolutely right. The matchup may determine the player covering the slot.

ØrangeÇrush
07-14-2005, 03:29 PM
Darrent had a day where he had four picks in a single practice, so they've all had their days.


As an aside to the whole article. It sounds like Plummer is already in mid season form.

ozomulsion
07-14-2005, 04:01 PM
As an aside to the whole article. It sounds like Plummer is already in mid season form.

ROFL! First thing that came to my mind as well.

TotallyScrewed
07-14-2005, 05:29 PM
Come on now guys...Plummer isn't the only QB flinging the ball in minicamp. As I recall from the QB's camp where DWill had four INT's in a practice, Kanell, Mauck and BVP were the QB's of origin.

As far as Mason is concerned, yeah I agree nice response. Kinda made me want to fake my military standing or lack of it to get that kind of press treatment. Before the NEG rep comes flying, I WOULDN'T DO THAT. It's just jealousy, that's all.

I'm really hoping that Browner makes a serious push for the starting FS position. I'd be much more comfortable with a killin' machine back there to go along with inexperienced nickle/diime/back-up CB's.

ozomulsion
07-14-2005, 06:30 PM
Come on now guys...Plummer isn't the only QB flinging the ball in minicamp. As I recall from the QB's camp where DWill had four INT's in a practice, Kanell, Mauck and BVP were the QB's of origin.


Wow! It looks like somebody needs to learn how to take a joke and/or sarcasm. Jeez.

Paladin
07-14-2005, 08:11 PM
Well, you weren't smiling when you said that, partner.

ozomulsion
07-14-2005, 08:51 PM
Well, you weren't smiling when you said that, partner.

Are you retarded partner?
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