Benedict Rove

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Then can we bring back the colonial method of Tar and Feathering traitors?????

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Then can we bring back the colonial method of Tar and Feathering traitors?????

Nah - under the new BushCo policy, traitors get a promotion.

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White House Press Corps Rips McClellan Over Rove For Third Day.

McCLELLAN: "I think we've exhausted discussion on this the last couple of days."

REPORTER: "You haven't even scratched the surface. It hasn't started."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000978734


Wow - has the Washington press corp finally decided to show up for work?

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http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000978699
By E&P Staff

Published: July 13, 2005 3:15 PM ET

NEW YORK Time's magazine's Matt Cooper today testified to a grand jury that White House aide Karl Rove was a source for a story about a CIA operative that has investigators deciding whether any laws were broken by the leak of the agent's identity.

Cooper told E&P late today, "I'm allowed to talk about what happened in the Grand Jury and plan to write about it." When asked when it might appear, he said, "soon, but I don't know when."

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After more than two hours of testimony, Cooper addressed reporters outside the courtroom. "It is my hope to get back to being a normal journalist on the other side of the microphones," Cooper said. "I hope to go back to Time magazine and write up an account of what took place here today and my story."

When Cooper was pressed, he responded, "But I'm not going to do it here, right now. ... I'm not going to scoop myself today."

Cooper said he hoped his testimony would speed up the grand jury's investigation, which would allow The New York Times' Judith Miller to be released from jail.

He confirmed that his source on the leak was Deputy Chief of Staff Rove, one of President Bush's most trusted advisers and the man credited with Bush's four consecutive campaign victories.

The waiver that freed Cooper to cooperate with the grand jury was signed by Rove's attorney, Robert Luskin. Cooper's attorney, Richard Sauber, was on hand Wednesday to pass out photocopies of the waiver to reporters.

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Cooper said he hoped his testimony would speed up the grand jury's investigation, which would allow The New York Times' Judith Miller to be released from jail.

Miller could take all of them down...

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/12/155834/147

From putting together all of the pieces about the Plame affair that have appeared here in the past few days, it looks as if the initial information leaked from the State Department, from the file they keep on Joe Wilson. That probably means John Bolton, who had access to State Dept files, is the one who introduced the information abot Plame to the White House staff.

After the Wilson op ed piece in the NYTimes, Bolton, who also had access to CIA files about its operatives, probably told Rove and Libby about Plame and her possible connection to Joe Wilson and his trip, and it was Rove and libby who called Cooper, Novak, and the other reporters on strict background (double super secret, whatever that means; obviously much deeper cover than cross your heart and hope to die).

In addition, Bush and Cheney were probably told about the Plame-Wilson by Rove and/or Libby, and that explains why they hired personal counsel outside the White House, so that they would be protected by client-attorney privileges, and to have counsel if they were required to testify about Rove or Libby.

But, where does Miller fit in? Is she protecting Bolton? Is it possible that Bolton was really her source for all of that disinformation about WMDs in the runup to the Iraq War, and not Chalabi (as we were led to believe by a supposedly secret email that may have itself been leaked disinformation)?

If the above is true, and if Miller testifies about how she got her information, she gives the evidence necessary for Fitzgerald to indict Bolton, Rove, and Libby, and eventually possibly Cheney and Bush if any of those three go to trial!

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Iam not biting on the Bolton thing just yet , but it does explain him being nominated to the UN ... you wash my back I wash youres type of deal .....

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Iam not biting on the Bolton thing just yet , but it does explain him being nominated to the UN ... you wash my back I wash youres type of deal .....

Bolton's name should definitely be on the short list of suspects when asking the question "who initially told the WH about Plame?"

(Since it looks as if the initial information leaked from the State Department from the file they keep on Joe Wilson and Bolton had access to State Dept. files.)

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Bolton's name should definitely be on the short list of suspects when asking the question "who initially told the WH about Plame?"

(Since it looks as if the initial information leaked from the State Department from the file they keep on Joe Wilson and Bolton had access to State Dept. files.)
That is a legitimate question

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McClellen is not free to discuss matters concerning an ongoing investigation. That's standard operating procedure for ANY investigation looking into possible criminal wrongdoing. Ask a lawyer and they'll tell you the same thing. That won't stop the media from trying to get the scoop, but they are still in the wrong.

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McClellen is not free to discuss matters concerning an ongoing investigation. That's standard operating procedure for ANY investigation looking into possible criminal wrongdoing. Ask a lawyer and they'll tell you the same thing. That won't stop the media from trying to get the scoop, but they are still in the wrong.
someone should have told Scotty that a while back , it was an investigation then , that didnt stop him from saying anything , now that we find out Rove Lied , now he respects the investigation ?
Doesnt take much to pull the wool over your eyes does it ?

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someone should have told Scotty that a while back , it was an investigation then , that didnt stop him from saying anything , now that we find out Rove Lied , now he respects the investigation ?
Doesnt take much to pull the wool over your eyes does it ?

You're right. He shouldn't have said what he said early on. He should have realized that the Democrats would latch on to this thing as tightly as the Republicans latched on to Whitewater or some other Clinton scandal that had the "appearance of impropriety".

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You're right. He shouldn't have said what he said early on. He should have realized that the Democrats would latch on to this thing as tightly as the Republicans latched on to Whitewater or some other Clinton scandal that had the "appearance of impropriety".
this is far worse then Whitewater ........

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McClellen is not free to discuss matters concerning an ongoing investigation. That's standard operating procedure for ANY investigation looking into possible criminal wrongdoing. Ask a lawyer and they'll tell you the same thing.

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Simple Scotty was 'free' to discuss this same ongoing investigation two years ago when McClellen bent over backwards to assure us that Rove had nothing to do with the leak and that any claims re: Rove's involvement were "ridiculous."

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McClellen is not free to discuss matters concerning an ongoing investigation. That's standard operating procedure for ANY investigation looking into possible criminal wrongdoing. Ask a lawyer and they'll tell you the same thing. That won't stop the media from trying to get the scoop, but they are still in the wrong.

McClellan noted 23 times yesterday that he could not comment because there was an "ongoing investigation." But McClellan has previously cited that same investigation and then gone on to answer the questions as they pertained to Rove. For example, on October 1, 2003, he said, "There's an investigation going on ... you brought up Karl's name. Let's be very clear. I thought -- I said it was a ridiculous suggestion, I said it's simply not true that he was involved in leaking classified information, and -- nor, did he condone that kind of activity." Similarly, on October 10, 2003, McClellan said, "I think it's important to keep in mind that this is an ongoing investigation." But he then added with regard to a question about Rove's involvement, "I spoke with those individuals, as I pointed out, and those individuals assured me they were not involved in this."

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this is far worse then Whitewater ........

Especially since Whitewater turned out to be nothing but another bullsh!t right-wing witch hunt and the Clintons were exonerated.

And Rove's act of treason has far more than just the "appearance of impropriety."

Those imbibing the BushCo Kool-Aid are obviously unable to see the difference.

(Probably because everything is first and foremost about politics to them - national security and acts of treason be damned.)

Also, there's the issue of a cover-up:

Simple Scotty lied two years ago when he said Rove wasn't involved.

It's like Watergate all over again, but instead of a stupid and small political crime showing the venality of a whole administration, we are faced with the exposure of the undercover team charged with keeping nukes out of the hands of as many dictators as possible, a big, big crime.

And like Watergate, it is happening at the start of a second term and may take well into next year to develop more fully. But Fitzgerald seems to know what he is doing. The Bush people are essentially Watergate and Iran/Contra retreads and it will be interesting to see what it takes to turn them against each other. I'm sure Bush has promised all of them pardons. In the meantime, the Administration has no credibility left which is necessary to govern. The Republican Congress (Regress?) has been emasculated over and over again by Bush/Rove and they are left with the leadership of DeLay, who has been compromised himself by serious and substantial criminal accusations, and Frist, who takes orders only from the Bush White House. While a non-crippled DeLay might be able to from a leadership of creepy evil were he not gravely politically wounded, Frist seems incapable of mustering leadership without the direction of Bush/Rove.