Hockey's Back

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Perfect day to announce, no other sporting events occur today. Hopefully both sides will ratifiy it.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=130274

[bronco militia]

as Bronco Billy would say "YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!"

[Garcia Bronco]

So it's really not back...you're not premature at everything are you? LOL

[Hercules Rockefeller]

So it's really not back...you're not premature at everything are you? LOL

rofl rofl . Dick.

If they don't ratify this, there NHL won't be back. Both sides aren't the brightest, but they aren't going to vote down the deal.

[Dukes]

Thank god!

[montrose]

Herc, how do you think this will effect the Avs?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Herc, how do you think this will effect the Avs?

Saw an article yesterday that I can't find anymore that talked about who the Avs might buy out, and only Gratton was listed. Think it said they had about $21M or so in contracts, but Abby, Tanguay, and Hejduk are 3 of the RFAs and Foote and Forsberg are two of the UFAs.

[Bronco LB 59]

How will the NHL handle the 2005 Amateur Draft? By lottery?

[Nuggets4]

Thank merciful God it's over.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

The draft lottery is supposed to be a week from tomorrow with the draft a week or so after that I think.

[montrose]

Saw an article yesterday that I can't find anymore that talked about who the Avs might buy out, and only Gratton was listed. Think it said they had about $21M or so in contracts, but Abby, Tanguay, and Hejduk are 3 of the RFAs and Foote and Forsberg are two of the UFAs.

Is it realistic to think that all of those mentioned players will be back? Obviously Forsberg coming back the US is a question mark but the thought of losing Tanguay or Hejduk to another team is mortifying. I was also hoping to see Kariya back but that seems pretty far fetched now.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I don't know, you'll probably have to wait and see what the tender offers will be for the RFAs and market prices for the UFAs.

[montrose]

I don't know, you'll probably have to wait and see what the tender offers will be for the RFAs and market prices for the UFAs.

Gotcha. One things for sure - the Avs won't be able to dominate year after year as they have in the past.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Gotcha. One things for sure - the Avs won't be able to dominate year after year as they have in the past.

After the initial flurry of buyouts and trades for teams to position themselves with the cap, drafting and developing prospects is going to take on a lot more importance and at this point the Avs have very little in the pipeline.

[Garcia Bronco]

I think this lottery thing is bogus...they should go off the previous finshed season for draft order.

[DB-Freak]

BWAAAHAHA at this thread title and the article.

Perfect thread for the Hercules imitation.

"So where does it actually say in the article that Hockey is back? Just another case of the mass taking things out of context."

[Garcia Bronco]

Besidea...I hear NY already has the first pick.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

"So where does it actually say in the article that Hockey is back? Just another case of the mass taking things out of context."

Yeah, that whole thing that they've agreed to a CBA that just needs to be ratified by the Board of Governors and the players means nothing.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

"So where does it actually say in the article that Hockey is back? Just another case of the mass taking things out of context."

It's a done deal. When both sides say it is, it is.

Break out the ice, hockey's back. After a 301-day lockout, it took an all-nighter to revive the NHL. An agreement has been reached that, so long as players ratify it, brings peace. <a href="http://espn.go.com/">Story</a>

[Pezman]

Well, I am ecstatic about them getting the deal done but cant help but wonder if the apathy by Joe Sportsfan will already have the sport dead and buried. Is it too late for the league to scrap the blueline and make the rinksize back to an olympic size? Somehow I doubt this is going to be a fun transition for Bettman and co.

[SoCalBronco]

woo hoo. Its about time. Im sure MT will be thrilled!

[Clockwork Orange]

'Bout damn time.

[Ray Finkle]

I like the chances of Crosby being NYR bound....

The lottery formula is as follows - each team begins with three balls. For every playoff appearance in the last three years or No. 1 overall pick over the last four years, a team loses one ball. But each team will still be guaranteed to have one ball in the lottery. The first round will go with teams picking 1 through 30, with the 30th team picking 31st and the draft order 'snaking' back and forth in a seven round draft. Take a peek at how each team fared in the selection order over the last four years. Note: The order shown reflects each team's position based on the final standings and does not reflect trades made. However, draft lottery winners are noted (*), as are Stanley Cup champions (**), who pick last regardless of regular season finish.

[Clockwork Orange]

I like the chances of Crosby being NYR bound....

The lottery formula is as follows - each team begins with three balls. For every playoff appearance in the last three years or No. 1 overall pick over the last four years, a team loses one ball. But each team will still be guaranteed to have one ball in the lottery. The first round will go with teams picking 1 through 30, with the 30th team picking 31st and the draft order 'snaking' back and forth in a seven round draft. Take a peek at how each team fared in the selection order over the last four years. Note: The order shown reflects each team's position based on the final standings and does not reflect trades made. However, draft lottery winners are noted (*), as are Stanley Cup champions (**), who pick last regardless of regular season finish.

The Caps & Pens get hosed by that system. The Caps will have one ball in the lottery (playoff team two years ago, #1 overall pick a year ago) and the Pens will only have two (#1 pick overall two years ago).

Irritating as it may be, it was pretty obvious that Bettman's intent all along has been to David Stern the Crosby lottery.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

The Caps & Pens get hosed by that system. The Caps will have one ball in the lottery (playoff team two years ago, #1 overall pick a year ago) and the Pens will only have two (#1 pick overall two years ago).


Total horse**** to punish teams for having 1st overalls when 2 of the best teams (Avs and Sens) each benefitted from 3 1st overalls in 4 seasons.

There's a reason a team picks 1st overall, they suck.

[DBroncos4life]

I'm lost when did it start in the first place??? :devil:

[SoCalBronco]

Ive already given up on the lottery. He wont be going to Pittsburgh under that system. Yep, its been David Stern'd. ****ing bitches. We have some good young prospects though so its not the end of the world. But i really wanted to have a good shot at Crosby.

[bronco militia]

screw the Pens...they'll be lucky to have enough fans show up to support that team.

go Avs

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I don't think Pittsburgh is going to be punished for trading up for MA Fleury in '03. The teams that lose a ball are the ones who win the lottery. So Florida gets nailed for trading out and letting C-Bus take Nash and then for trading out and the Pens taking Fleury.

[Pezman]

screw the Pens...they'll be lucky to have enough fans show up to support that team.

go Avs

Av....s? Who is this Avs you speak of?
;D God this past offseason sure would have been better with hockey filling the void. May and June sucked baows without the greatest show on ice.

[MT-Tdawg]

ITS ABOUT FRICKIN TIME!!!! Can't wait to see the Avs again.

[Rock Chalk]

10-1 odds Hockey folds within 5 years, whose taking?

[Pezman]

10-1 odds Hockey folds within 5 years, whose taking?

With the way that the TV contracts are happening with hockey, I dont dispute ya bro. The impending disaster the league is hoping to avoid financially will be stemmed somewhat with a cap in place, or at least in terms of skyrocketing salaries. However, marketing the sport again will take a herculean effort. What they need is innovation and to reinvent the game.

[Ray Finkle]

Total horse**** to punish teams for having 1st overalls when 2 of the best teams (Avs and Sens) each benefitted from 3 1st overalls in 4 seasons.

There's a reason a team picks 1st overall, they suck.

Until the last year or so the Caps have not sucked. They have done very well....

[bronco militia]

Av....s? Who is this Avs you speak of?
;D God this past offseason sure would have been better with hockey filling the void. May and June sucked baows without the greatest show on ice.

No doubt bro

It's hard to realize that Colorado is not representitave of the overall hockey culture in the USA....christ, this place might as well be a Providence of Canada ("Oh Canada..... ;D ). If it wasn't the battle between CC and DU hh, the ColoradoEagles won their respective championship as well.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Until the last year or so the Caps have not sucked. They have done very well....

More like '98 or so. They made the playoffs for 15 or so straight seasons up to that point. Since then they've been up and down, basically going to the playoffs one year and missing the next. However, they would have sucked big time had there been a season. The team would have been Kolzig, Witt, Zubrus, Halpern and rookies. That's probably going to be their team this year too, plus whatever vets it takes to get them above the salary floor.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

10-1 odds Hockey folds within 5 years, whose taking?

I wouldn't feel right taking your money so easily.

[Ray Finkle]

More like '98 or so. They made the playoffs for 15 or so straight seasons up to that point. Since then they've been up and down, basically going to the playoffs one year and missing the next. However, they would have sucked big time had there been a season. The team would have been Kolzig, Witt, Zubrus, Halpern and rookies. That's probably going to be their team this year too, plus whatever vets it takes to get them above the salary floor.


it's only really the last couple of years, I go to a bunch of games at the MCI center (good chance to watch the Rangers) and they are usually pretty competitive.....If the Rangers, Buffalo, or Columbus win the Crosby stakes, they still will not be great. Crosby's size (5-10 180) kind of makes me think he will be more Paul Kariya and hopefully not Pat Fallon then 99 or 66.....

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I never had to pay face for Cap tickets the two years I was in town, loved it. Ditto with the Wiz. Only time I would have was when the Wings were in town, and their fans were the majority that night.

I think Crosby's supposed to be (or eventually will be) heavier then 180. He hits 200 and that should be the same size as Sakic. I've already resigned myself to a the Rangers winning Crosby, or a playoff team that should have had no shot will. He won't go to a bad team unless it's the Rangers.

[Ray Finkle]

I never had to pay face for Cap tickets the two years I was in town, loved it. Ditto with the Wiz. Only time I would have was when the Wings were in town, and their fans were the majority that night.

I think Crosby's supposed to be (or eventually will be) heavier then 180. He hits 200 and that should be the same size as Sakic. I've already resigned myself to a the Rangers winning Crosby, or a playoff team that should have had no shot will. He won't go to a bad team unless it's the Rangers.

I never had to either, the company had season tickets and not that many people liked hockey. I do think he will be "steered" to the Rangers and as a fan I can't complain but it will be like Patrick Ewing and the Knicks all over again. He needs to be in a bigger market (any where in the orginal six works) because if he gets stuck in FL and they team stinks, it will be bad for the league....

[Bronx33]

YESSSSS free at last free at last!!!

[Bronx33]

10-1 odds Hockey folds within 5 years, whose taking?


Mr negative chimes in..........
:TJnPopps:

[Clockwork Orange]

10-1 odds Hockey folds within 5 years, whose taking?

I'll take that bet. Only in your wet dreams would that actually happen.

[Bronx33]

http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/20041024/nhl_deal_bg_64035.jpg

[DB-Freak]

Yeah, that whole thing that they've agreed to a CBA that just needs to be ratified by the Board of Governors and the players means nothing.


It's a done deal. When both sides say it is, it is.

Screw you guys. I was going by what Garcia said.

[Mtbrncofn]

woo hoo. Its about time. Im sure MT will be thrilled!


WOOOOOOOOHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! I'm a tad bit thrilled. ;)

To Montrose: Forsberg said he'd be back in an Avs uni, if it could be done, and I have all faith it will be.

I rather not think about being without Hejduk and Tang though.

[Mtbrncofn]

I've already resigned myself to a the Rangers winning Crosby...


Gawd, that is nauseating.

[Smiling Assassin27]

WOOOOOOOOHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! I'm a tad bit thrilled. ;)

To Montrose: Forsberg said he'd be back in an Avs uni, if it could be done, and I have all faith it will be.

I rather not think about being without Hejduk and Tang though.

gonna be interesting to see what the perennial powers look like in 2-4 years. time for the Wings' player personnel and development geeks to earn their money!

floppa will be in the winged wheel next year, mt. :yep:

[Hercules Rockefeller]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/3756644

Who has a chance at being bought out

[Mtbrncofn]

gonna be interesting to see what the perennial powers look like in 2-4 years. time for the Wings' player personnel and development geeks to earn their money!

floppa will be in the winged wheel next year, mt. :yep:

Ahahahaahahhaa GAG hahahahahaa!

If hell were to freeze over and that nightmare was to happen, would ya damn Wings fans finally ditch that "floppa" thing? ;)

[Mtbrncofn]

Player(s) who we think will be bought out: Chris Gratton ($1.9 million)

Man, I hope this is true!

HOLY **** NO!

It is more likely they Avs will either let go of unrestricted free agents Peter Forsberg and Adam Foote, or deal one of their restricted free agents like Milan Hejduk or Alex Tanguay to make room. They will not spare everyone though. Gratton will be an easy choice to let go, he just doesn't contribute enough offensively.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Ahahahaahahhaa GAG hahahahahaa!

If hell were to freeze over and that nightmare was to happen, would ya damn Wings fans finally ditch that "floppa" thing? ;)


consider it a term of endearment...he'll always be the immensely talented, diving, cheap shotting legend to us. wonder how cloutier's nads are recovering.

[Mtbrncofn]

consider it a term of endearment...he'll always be the immensely talented, diving, cheap shotting legend to us. wonder how cloutier's nads are recovering.


Cheap shotting?! I guess you're right since he's always the one taking them. ;D

I could care less how any member of THAT organization's balls are doing. :devil: I hope they turned black, shriveled up, and fell off.

That brings up the Clod factor. Hmmm, I wonder what happens. Does he get to come back?

[Smiling Assassin27]

Cheap shotting?! I guess you're right since he's always the one taking them. ;D

I could care less how any member of THAT organization's balls are doing. :devil: I hope they turned black, shriveled up, and fell off.

That brings up the Clod factor. Hmmm, I wonder what happens. Does he get to come back?


I'm assuming you were speaking of Bertuzzi. I hope he's relegated to playing in the North Fiji Beer Leagues.

[Smiling Assassin27]

I'm assuming you were speaking of Bertuzzi. I hope he's relegated to playing in the North Fiji Beer Leagues.


nice looking boy there, mt. didn't realize Montana lets them marry that young.

[Mtbrncofn]

I'm assuming you were speaking of Bertuzzi. I hope he's relegated to playing in the North Fiji Beer Leagues.


Will they even let Clod in there? Ha!



The girls are already lining up for him, so we figured we should get him some practice in a tux. ;)

[Bronx33]

WOOOOOOOOHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! I'm a tad bit thrilled. ;)

To Montrose: Forsberg said he'd be back in an Avs uni, if it could be done, and I have all faith it will be.

I rather not think about being without Hejduk and Tang though.

Cool stuff ehhh mnt! i have now entered the delirious feeling phase just so ya know!

[Bronx33]

I'm assuming you were speaking of Bertuzzi. I hope he's relegated to playing in the North Fiji Beer Leagues.


If the league has any balls this should be a reality for Mr bertuzzi... and North Fiji Beer Leagues was rather funny! rofl

[Kid A]

The Avs should still be among the top teams for a couple years, but we're gonna need to really build up the farm system so that we can compete well in future years.

I would expect to lose Konowalchuck and Gratton. I would like to think that we will keep Hejduk, Tanguay, Forsberg, Sakic, Foote, Blake, and Abie. Keeping that core will take almost all of the salary cap, though, so we will definetly be losing some talent on the third and fourth lines.

This new format might not be as friendly for teams like the Avs and Wings, but it probably is better for the game. After 300 days, I'll take any hockey I can get.

[Smiling Assassin27]

If the league has any balls this should be a reality for Mr bertuzzi... and North Fiji Beer Leagues was rather funny! rofl


my boy joe kocur will be there to violate that gorilla in every way conceivable... :devil:

[Mtbrncofn]

Cool stuff ehhh mnt! i have now entered the delirious feeling phase just so ya know!


And I will be there with you....until we find out which of our boys are gonna be gone. Then I'll have to mourn a bit, but then I'll be good to go...unless of course it turns out to be Pete. :(

That's just unthinkable though so I won't even go there.

[SoCalBronco]

And I will be there with you....until we find out which of our boys are gonna be gone. Then I'll have to mourn a bit, but then I'll be good to go...unless of course it turns out to be Pete. :(

That's just unthinkable though so I won't even go there.

I dont think he is going anywhere. They will find room for him. He's the most important piece of the puzzle.

[Kid A]

It's pretty subtle but if I'm reading this right Kariya is now stuck as an Avalanche restricted free agent and NOT an unrestricted free agent in the new CBA.

Why? Reportedly the new CBA eliminates the tier 5 categorie. You know, the one where if a player averages under the league average for 10 years they qualify for early free agency... So if I'm seeing this correctly Kariya took a dive for 1.2 million last year for absolutely zilch. I believe he's officially Avalanche property until the Avs choose not to match offers he may recieve from other clubs.

Just fyi...


Found this on the Avs board. I'm not sure if it's true, but if it is then it's pretty damn funny.

[Mtbrncofn]

This means for my October ligature change on my braces, hello teal and maroon. :D I scoped it out on my first appointment and they have two perfect colors for it.

[Raiders Rock]

This is a sad day for the Hurricanes....

They lost only 7 million this year as a result of the strike or whatever it was, as opposed to the 22 million they lost last year.

Sad day indeed

[Mtbrncofn]

I dont think he is going anywhere. They will find room for him. He's the most important piece of the puzzle.


SoCal, you are just the greatest guy. :rainbow:

[Mtbrncofn]

This is a sad day for the Hurricanes....

They lost only 7 million this year as a result of the strike or whatever it was, as opposed to the 22 million they lost last year.

Sad day indeed

The who? I think the College Football Forum is still up, RR. Nnyah!

[Bronx33]

I dont think he is going anywhere. They will find room for him. He's the most important piece of the puzzle.

You can't help but wonder what we could add to the team with petes pay check (don't kill me Mnt) but it has to be runnin through PL mind as a GM.

[Mtbrncofn]

You can't help but wonder what we could add to the team with petes pay check (don't kill me Mnt) but it has to be runnin through PL mind as a GM.


Blasphemer!! Bronx....for shame!

[Clockwork Orange]

Forsberg isn't going anywhere, he wants to be an Av and Pierre Lacroix isn't going to let his star skate elsewhere.

Oh, and Wings fans really shouldn't be calling anyone else a diver or cheap shot artist while Kirk Maltby is still on your roster. :P

[Smiling Assassin27]

Forsberg isn't going anywhere, he wants to be an Av and Pierre Lacroix isn't going to let his star skate elsewhere.

Oh, and Wings fans really shouldn't be calling anyone else a diver or cheap shot artist while Kirk Maltby is still on your roster. :P

good to see you've made your peace with floppa's skills in equating him to a 4th liner...

[Raiders Rock]

The who? I think the College Football Forum is still up, RR. Nnyah!

I have never watched a single game of Hockey in my entire life except for the Olympics in 1980 when I was like 14 years old.

So who won the battle, the owners or the players anyway?

[Bronx33]

Forsberg isn't going anywhere, he wants to be an Av and Pierre Lacroix isn't going to let his star skate elsewhere.

Oh, and Wings fans really shouldn't be calling anyone else a diver or cheap shot artist while Kirk Maltby is still on your roster. :P

That's funny because they don't see maltby as a diver just pete (go fiqure) Ehhh? i mean they have a very unhealthy fixation on forsberg but on the other hand it's pretty funny to read.

[Clockwork Orange]

That's funny because they don't see maltby as a diver just pete (go fiqure) Ehhh? i mean they have a very unhealthy fixation on forsberg but on the other hand it's pretty funny to read.

The fixation on Forsberg from Whines fans generally stems from the fact that he's historically killed them, especially in the playoffs. They have nothing else to latch on to other than the notion that he's a diver or a cheap shot artist (this from the team that employs Maltby, Chelios & Hatcher and formerly Lapointe & Fedorov ::)) so they grab it and run. They do pretty much the same thing with Patrick Roy, so it's nothing new.

So don't worry, Forsberg will be back in an Avs uniform to light you up some more and you can respond by calling him a diver. All is right with the world.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Found this on the Avs board. I'm not sure if it's true, but if it is then it's pretty damn funny.

Tier 5 is being eliminated, but I don't think anyone knows if that will be instantaneous or if it will be implemented later like how they're slowly dropping the UFA age.

[Bronx33]

The fixation on Forsberg from Whines fans generally stems from the fact that he's historically killed them, especially in the playoffs. They have nothing else to latch on to other than the notion that he's a diver or a cheap shot artist (this from the team that employs Maltby, Chelios & Hatcher and formerly Lapointe & Fedorov ::)) so they grab it and run. They do pretty much the same thing with Patrick Roy, so it's nothing new.

So don't worry, Forsberg will be back in an Avs uniform to light you up some more and you can respond by calling him a diver. All is right with the world.

Ironically i was just having a disscussion with a wingie fan and this is what she had to say......
LOCKOUT IS OVER!!!
TheIssueExpl... Posted: Jul 13, 2005 04:17 PM

LMAO! He's not going to stay in SWEDEN, he's going to sign with another NHL team that can afford his dipsy-doodling, fancy boy ass!

Chicago ...
Boston ...

The flopper will be diving elsewhere this Fall!


And $50 says the first time he skates at the "Trash Can," the monkeys give him a 20 minute suck-off ... er, standing ovation as they weep solemnly into their Coors Lights.

[Clockwork Orange]

It's funny, every Wings fan over the age of 13 that I've talked to have said that while they don't necessarily like Forsberg, they'd love to have him on their team. Several said that they'd love to have him on the team just so that they wouldn't have to go up against him anymore.

I can understand where they're coming from, I felt the same way about Fedorov before he relegated himself irrelevant by signing with the Flukes. I hated seeing him line up against the Avs because he always seemed to light them up. I cursed and hurled many obscenities at him through my television, but I'd take him in an Avs sweater in half a heartbeat.

[Bronx33]

It's funny, every Wings fan over the age of 13 that I've talked to have said that while they don't necessarily like Forsberg, they'd love to have him on their team. Several said that they'd love to have him on the team just so that they wouldn't have to go up against him anymore.

I can understand where they're coming from, I felt the same way about Fedorov before he relegated himself irrelevant by signing with the Flukes. I hated seeing him line up against the Avs because he always seemed to light them up. I cursed and hurled many obscenities at him through my television, but I'd take him in an Avs sweater in half a heartbeat.

That's basically what i told him i also told him that if his senerio was mildy correct that boston and chigago would be beating the wings on a regular bases he has been silent ever since lol.

[bronco militia]

how can Kariya still be an Av without a contract?

[Jori]

The Avs should just cut ties with Kariya. They'll have enough problems trying to keep guys like Foote, Tanguay and Hejduk. The fact that teams are unable to buyout and resign the same player and they are unable to restructure existing contracts hurts the Avs when you look at Blake and Sakic's salaries. Will the Avs have to sever ties with Blake to hold on to Foote and sign Forsberg? That's a big possiblity. The bad thing is that the Avs will get little help from their prospect system. The good thing is that there will be tons of good free agents available. How "loyal" Forsberg and Foote are to this organization will determine alot during the offseason. Things will be tight for the next couple of years until the Sakic and Blake salaries are off the books. Eleven picks in the upcoming draft (July 30) will hopefully produce some needed gems for the farm system.

Enough negative talk, its good to have NHL puck back.

I wont even dream of the Avs landing Crosby, but it would be nice to have a top 10 pick :thumbs:

[Jori]

Hmmm apparently the draft is going from 9 to 7 rounds so I'm not really sure how many picks the team will have. Apparently this will be a "snake" draft. Draft lottery on July 21st with the draft on Saturday July 30th.

[Breck Bronc]

Too bad this coudn't have been hammered out last summer. That said, I'm excited as hell having hockey back in October (training camp in Sept. :thumbs: ). The draft lottery will be a good way to get myself back into NHL mode.

And us DU fans will get the added bonus of the Pios gunning for their third straight NCAA title. Man, I can't wait for fall; the NHL is back, NCAA hockey starts again, the baseball playoffs, and obviously the start of the NFL and college football seasons.

[Clockwork Orange]

The Avs should just cut ties with Kariya. They'll have enough problems trying to keep guys like Foote, Tanguay and Hejduk. The fact that teams are unable to buyout and resign the same player and they are unable to restructure existing contracts hurts the Avs when you look at Blake and Sakic's salaries. Will the Avs have to sever ties with Blake to hold on to Foote and sign Forsberg? That's a big possiblity. The bad thing is that the Avs will get little help from their prospect system. The good thing is that there will be tons of good free agents available. How "loyal" Forsberg and Foote are to this organization will determine alot during the offseason. Things will be tight for the next couple of years until the Sakic and Blake salaries are off the books. Eleven picks in the upcoming draft (July 30) will hopefully produce some needed gems for the farm system.

Enough negative talk, its good to have NHL puck back.

I wont even dream of the Avs landing Crosby, but it would be nice to have a top 10 pick :thumbs:

Hear, hear. The NHL has returned and life is good. I'm even happy to be back to bantering with Wings fan again. :devil:

Pierre Lacroix has proven to be a pretty shrewd GM, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he'll do everything in his power to keep the Avs core in tact. Some tough decisions will have to be made, but then the Avs aren't alone in that boat. It might mean buying out Rob Blake or letting Adam Foote go, but as you said let's see how much these guys want to stay here. What Lacroix has going for him is that these players have won championships and have been taken care of very well financally by the organization in the past. Hopefully that weighs in on their decision process, we'll see.

[Mtbrncofn]

I guess I want my cake and I want to eat it too, because I cannot stand the thought of being without Foote or Blake.

Seems like the reality of the cap situation is starting to set in for me. Sigh. I know the team is going to have a different look, but man....this is tough.

[Dukes]

I guess I want my cake and I want to eat it too, because I cannot stand the thought of being without Foote or Blake.

Seems like the reality of the cap situation is starting to set in for me. Sigh. I know the team is going to have a different look, but man....this is tough.

Yeah I think that pretty much sums up everyones vies on the cap. It was hard enough seeing Drury go, and now the possibility and likely hood of two to three more great players gone just kills me. And it's not like you can pick one or two you would rather go, because you don't want ANY to leave. :vermeil:

[Mtbrncofn]

Yeah I think that pretty much sums up everyones vies on the cap. It was hard enough seeing Drury go, and now the possibility and likely hood of two to three more great players gone just kills me. And it's not like you can pick one or two you would rather go, because you don't want ANY to leave. :vermeil:


Precisely.

[REB]

Wow! I take it Hockey's a little popular? Lacrosse is gettin big and at least you know where the ball is going. :)

REB

1-2-3-:Broncos"!!!!!!!

[Nuggets4]

**** the WINGS!!!!

[Al Wilson]

Finally, the BS is over!!!

The good thing is that the Leafs are ****ed !

Go Sens!

[Tredici]

Forsberg isn't going anywhere, he wants to be an Av and Pierre Lacroix isn't going to let his star skate elsewhere.

Oh, and Wings fans really shouldn't be calling anyone else a diver or cheap shot artist while Kirk Maltby is still on your roster. :P

Here's the problem. The league instituted a cap to force player movement. And with a hard cap, agents are going to become prominent in the NHL, too. The aren't going to let their clients take less money to play for the "hometown".

Get ready for one name defenseman and a bunch of who is THAT?

Not too many fans are going to know many players on their third and fourth lines anymore. But that should be true league wide.

Out of the proposed changes I hope they eliminate the frickin' red line. Fewer skilled defensmen and getting rid of that two line pass crap should just about squeeze out the neutral zone crap clubs.

I don't know about the tie proposal. 5 Minutes at 4 on 4. Then 3 Minutes at 3 on 3. Then a shootout. Get into a series of ties and some old legs could rack up serious ice time by the end of the season.

Adding 4 more teams to the post season sucks. 20 out of 30 teams? Just eliminate the regular season all together. Between the tie proposal and extended playoffs it will come down to whoever can remain healthy - or get healthy at the right time, wins.

[Tredici]

Oh yeah....

GO AVS GO AVS GO AVS GO AVS GO AVS GO AVS GO AVS GO AVS GO AVS

[watermock]

Here's the problem. The league instituted a cap to force player movement. And with a hard cap, agents are going to become prominent in the NHL, too. The aren't going to let their clients take less money to play for the "hometown".

Get ready for one name defenseman and a bunch of who is THAT?

Not too many fans are going to know many players on their third and fourth lines anymore. But that should be true league wide.

Out of the proposed changes I hope they eliminate the frickin' red line. Fewer skilled defensmen and getting rid of that two line pass crap should just about squeeze out the neutral zone crap clubs.

I don't know about the tie proposal. 5 Minutes at 4 on 4. Then 3 Minutes at 3 on 3. Then a shootout. Get into a series of ties and some old legs could rack up serious ice time by the end of the season.

Adding 4 more teams to the post season sucks. 20 out of 30 teams? Just eliminate the regular season all together. Between the tie proposal and extended playoffs it will come down to whoever can remain healthy - or get healthy at the right time, wins.

Gee, a salary cap. how novel. This is so classic from Tredici. Player movement is bad? When did that happen unless there was a cap? If there was no cap, player movement would just go to the strongest team.

Exactly why are "most fans" going to know that

THERE IS A CAP. Jesus.

Simply eliminating the redline, and adustments to shore down the uniforms of goalies will do wonders. The NFL has been tweaking the game every year. Making a double line pass legal would be a decent start.

That and making jerseys more tight. I'm not in favor of changing alot of rules. simply moving down goalie garb a bit tightening up the shorts, removing the red line will make a differerence. I'm not for totally altering the game.

I am will always be amused that the players settled for 3/4's the owners put on the table.

Hockey isn't a major sport. It was in the 60's and I lived near Minnesota.

College Football is the 4th major sport. Hockey hasn't been for 20 years.

[Tredici]

Gee, a salary cap. how novel. This is so classic from Tredici. Player movement is bad? When did that happen unless there was a cap? If there was no cap, player movement would just go to the strongest team.

Exactly why are "most fans" going to know that

THERE IS A CAP. Jesus.

Simply eliminating the redline, and adustments to shore down the uniforms of goalies will do wonders. The NFL has been tweaking the game every year. Making a double line pass legal would be a decent start.

That and making jerseys more tight. I'm not in favor of changing alot of rules. simply moving down goalie garb a bit tightening up the shorts, removing the red line will make a differerence. I'm not for totally altering the game.

I am will always be amused that the players settled for 3/4's the owners put on the table.

Hockey isn't a major sport. It was in the 60's and I lived near Minnesota.

College Football is the 4th major sport. Hockey hasn't been for 20 years.

Still having problems with reading comprehension, I see. Figure out when something is phrased as a reply to another post. Not a stand alone concept.
The idea of the cap isn't novel. Automatically keeping players like Forsberg because of a hard cap isn't a slam dunk. It will bring about player movement.

Get it?

And it's what most fans won't know. Try figuring out the sentence again.

You have to reach so damn hard it's amusing.

Look, if you don't understand my posts, try not responding instead of just making up what you think I said. You are always dead wrong. Of course, that is how you can disagree with me.

Pathetic.

[Mtbrncofn]

Here's the problem. The league instituted a cap to force player movement. And with a hard cap, agents are going to become prominent in the NHL, too. The aren't going to let their clients take less money to play for the "hometown".

Get ready for one name defenseman and a bunch of who is THAT?

Not too many fans are going to know many players on their third and fourth lines anymore. But that should be true league wide.

Out of the proposed changes I hope they eliminate the frickin' red line. Fewer skilled defensmen and getting rid of that two line pass crap should just about squeeze out the neutral zone crap clubs.

I don't know about the tie proposal. 5 Minutes at 4 on 4. Then 3 Minutes at 3 on 3. Then a shootout. Get into a series of ties and some old legs could rack up serious ice time by the end of the season.

Adding 4 more teams to the post season sucks. 20 out of 30 teams? Just eliminate the regular season all together. Between the tie proposal and extended playoffs it will come down to whoever can remain healthy - or get healthy at the right time, wins.

I agree about the red line change. That would really improve the game, IMO. I'm not wild about that tie proposal. I heard it on ESPN yesterday. I thought it was just supposed to be a 4 on 4 OT, then a shootout, which I think would be fine. I still love the whole no tie thing.

I never heard the last part about adding 4 teams to the playoffs. I don't think anything with the playoff format should be changed.

[watermock]

This is classic. If you roll up a few posts, you will see where Tred doesn't make a single statment. Nothing but a rant. It's actually amusing, tell us more...

[Nuggets4]

Thnis is classic.

No, it's just yet another sad example of you not being able to comprehend something. Not a classic.

Shouldn't you be drunkenly leering at one of your nieces through a telescope right now?

[watermock]

No, it's just yet another sad example of you not being able to comprehend something. Not a classic.

Shouldn't you be drunkenly leering at one of your nieces through a telescope right now?

No it's not a sad example. The insunuation that I leer at my neices is totally unfounded. I'm not going even respond afterthis. You want me to defend myself? Go **** yoursellf. I call them kittens because I'm not very close to them.

Your insuation disguting and totally innaproprate. If one want's want's to go poern,

[RhymesayersDU]

This is classic. If you roll up a few posts, you will see where Tred doesn't make a single statment. Nothing but a rant. It's actually amusing, tell us more...

Please tell me somebody actually hacked Mock's account this time.

He didn't actually make that comment did he? Seriously, mock cracking back on somebody for ranting without making a single point is hilarious.

Pot? Meet kettle.

-insert Beezlebub comment here, just for flavor-

[Tredici]

This is classic. If you roll up a few posts, you will see where Tred doesn't make a single statment. Nothing but a rant. It's actually amusing, tell us more...


No this is classic.

My original post made the statements in response to another post. As usual you can't figure out context.

Your problem.

Not mine.

[Tredici]

Forsberg isn't going anywhere, he wants to be an Av and Pierre Lacroix isn't going to let his star skate elsewhere.

(Stay with me now Baldie. The above statement was posted by CO).

Here's the replying statement:

Here's the problem. The league instituted a cap to force player movement. And with a hard cap, agents are going to become prominent in the NHL, too. The aren't going to let their clients take less money to play for the "hometown". See.. it's a SPECIFIC statement in regards to the Forsberg situation.

Then here is where you chime in:

Gee, a salary cap. how novel. This is so classic from Tredici. Player movement is bad? When did that happen unless there was a cap? If there was no cap, player movement would just go to the strongest team.


Nowhere did I say player movement was good or bad. Just that it is gauranteed to happen. Even for the hometown beloved.

But thanks for telling me if there wasn't a cap player movement would just go the strongest team. It's like an amazing statement no one else could possibly figure out. Do me a favor. Try to make the leap that there is a difference between someone not knowing something and avoiding stating the obvious.

I'm finished with you.

[Bronx33]

No, it's just yet another sad example of you not being able to comprehend something. Not a classic.

Shouldn't you be drunkenly leering at one of your nieces through a telescope right now?


OUCH! that's gunna leave a mark.....

[FADERPROOF]

This is classic. If you roll up a few posts, you will see where Tred doesn't make a single statment. Nothing but a rant. It's actually amusing, tell us more...

an entire post and not a single statement? Are you describing every single one of your posts?

[FADERPROOF]

No, it's just yet another sad example of you not being able to comprehend something. Not a classic.

Shouldn't you be drunkenly leering at one of your nieces through a telescope right now?

Nah, Mock's "kittens" are too busy finding out how good Stephen A. Smith is in the sack.

[FADERPROOF]

No it's not a sad example. The insunuation that I leer at my neices is totally unfounded. I'm not going even respond afterthis. You want me to defend myself? Go **** yoursellf. I call them kittens because I'm not very close to them.

Your insuation disguting and totally innaproprate. If one want's want's to go poern,

"Mock's herd of Baywatch neices and Matt my nephew. Yes, they are all available for future service to lucky men (except Matt, like he hasn't had offers). The ones fully developed are the Dentist and Pre-Med. Bids can be taken by PM only. Yes, they are real."

http://66.49.247.155/BB/showpost.php?p=582532&postcount=280

Still denying that you have never checked out your neices?

[RhymesayersDU]

"Mock's herd of Baywatch neices and Matt my nephew. Yes, they are all available for future service to lucky men (except Matt, like he hasn't had offers). The ones fully developed are the Dentist and Pre-Med. Bids can be taken by PM only. Yes, they are real."

http://66.49.247.155/BB/showpost.php?p=582532&postcount=280

Still denying that you have never checked out your neices?
Mock, I've got a 12-pack of Natty Light with your name on it in exchange for some phone numbers.

[Lestat]

yeah hockey's back but the Avs are screwed with the new cap at 37 mil(2 mil is medical benefits)

not to mention it's possible they might screw up in the draft, i hate those ****ing nHL owners!

[Clockwork Orange]

yeah hockey's back but the Avs are screwed with the new cap at 37 mil(2 mil is medical benefits)

not to mention it's possible they might screw up in the draft, i hate those ****ing nHL owners!

Actually they're not. They're actually in better shape than several teams (Detroit, Toronto, Philadelphia, Dallas) and will have to get creative just like everyone else.

Welcome to the new NHL.

[Lestat]

they are screwed, Foote,Blake,Tanguay,Forsberg,Kariya & etc are FA's, can't re-sign em all to big time money deals & stay under the cap.

granted it'll make salaries fall but i can't see them being able to keep them all :(
granted Kariya & Forsberg were likely gone anyways

[Clockwork Orange]

they are screwed, Foote,Blake,Tanguay,Forsberg,Kariya & etc are FA's, can't re-sign em all to big time money deals & stay under the cap.

granted it'll make salaries fall but i can't see them being able to keep them all :(
granted Kariya & Forsberg were likely gone anyways

Of course they won't be able to keep everyone, no one will be able to do that.

Much like in the NFL, there will be players let go solely for cap purposes. Not because they can't play, but because it comes down to numbers.

One of those players will almost certainly be gone (I'm betting on Blake) and possibly two of them. I'm not even counting Kariya because I don't know how serious they were about bringing him back anyway.

I said this on the more sports board and I'll say it here. If they buy out Blake & Gratton it'll save them over $8 million in cap space, bringing them to about $25 million in total cap space to sign the guys they want to bring back.

I have faith in Lacroix. He's always done all he can to put the best team on the ice he possibly can. He's always treated players well and his relationship with agents (he being a former agent himself) has historically been excellent. I'll continue to believe in his abilities until he proves me wrong. So far, in 9 years, that hasn't happened.

[Tredici]

I think Pierre has gone over to Pat's house to discuss that circumvent word....

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I love hockey being back but I would be a lot happier if part of the resolution included dumping about 6 franchises that have no reason for existence. Hopefully if they can't make it under this structure than perhaps there will be some contraction undoing some of the Buttman damage to the league.

[Bronx33]

I think Pierre has gone over to Pat's house to discuss that circumvent word....

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

I love hockey being back but I would be a lot happier if part of the resolution included dumping about 6 franchises that have no reason for existence. Hopefully if they can't make it under this structure than perhaps there will be some contraction undoing some of the Buttman damage to the league.


Pheonix
carolina
nashville
ducks
atlanta
wild


And yes i agree......buttman wanted to expand NHL presents, all he managed to do was water down the talent and threw payrolls into a tailspin.But i do think minnasota deserves a team because of there hockey history.And two teams in california was just plain stupid.

[Mtbrncofn]

3 in CA if you count the Kings.

I should phrase it differently, I guess: 3 teams in CA- Sharks, Ducks, and Kings. Ducks are only kind of a half team though. :)

[Bronx33]

3 in CA if you count the Kings.

I should phrase it differently, I guess: 3 teams in CA- Sharks, Ducks, and Kings. Ducks are only kind of a half team though. :)


Opps your right i spaced out the sharks.....

[Mtbrncofn]

Ugh. I don't know how you could after our last playoff round. :cuss:

[Bronx33]

Ugh. I don't know how you could after our last playoff round. :cuss:


I feel shame.......

[Mtbrncofn]

Yeah, that's a real pisser for us to have to go a whole extra year with that being our last hockey memory of our team.

I'm guessing I still have some angst over this. I still have nightmares of Cheechoo's fricken between the legs goal.

[Mtbrncofn]

I just remembered something. In all my fretting about losing players that I love, I completely forgot about Coach Q! Now there is something to be excited about. !Booya!

[Bronx33]

If blake and or foote depart......we have a fine defensive line up with a few prospects up and coming some of these guys i'am betting we haven't even seen play yet and PL has.So from a defensive stand point we look pretty dang good IMO.

We have on the roster:

Bob Boughner
Ossi Vaananen
Kurt Sauer
Karlis Skrastins
John micheal liles




In the system

Lowell Lock Monsters
POS. PLAYER
LW CHRIS BALA
RW DENNIS BONVIE
D JOHNNY BOYCHUK
G PETER BUDAJ
D BRETT CLARK
LW MATHIEU DARCHE
D JEFF FINGER
LW SERGEI KLYAZMIN
G TOM LAWSON
RW CODY McCORMICK
C ANDRE SAVAGE
D AGRIS SAVIELS
LW FRANTISEK SKLADANY
D TOMAS SLOVAK
D DJ SMITH
C RYAN STEEVES
RW DAVID SVAGROVSKY
RW MAREK SVATOS
RW JEFF ULMER
D MIKKO VIITANEN
G TYLER WEIMAN


Canadian Jrs

POS. PLAYER
C BRAD RICHARDSON
LW WOJTEK WOLSKI
D DARRYL YACBOSKI
RW BRANDON YIP

European Hockey League


POS. PLAYER
D RICHARD DEMEN-WILLAUME
D MIKKO KALTEVA
RW KRISTIAN KOVAC
D SANNY LINDSTROM
LW DENIS PARSHIN
LW SERGEI SHEMETOV
LW LINUS VIDELL


NCAA Hockey

POS. PLAYER
D TAYLOR CHRISTIE
LW SEAN COLLINS
LW JD CORBIN
RW BRETT HEMINGWAY
RW DAVID JONES
G IAN KESERICH
D ERIC LUNDBERG
D STEPHEN McCLELLAN
C MARK McCUTCHEON
RW VICTOR ORESKOVICH
D DEREK PELTIER

[Bronx33]

Yeah, that's a real pisser for us to have to go a whole extra year with that being our last hockey memory of our team.

I'm guessing I still have some angst over this. I still have nightmares of Cheechoo's fricken between the legs goal.


You thing that's bad i was at the game seven against the wild when richard park was scoring on Roy at will.......

[-Slap-]

No it's not a sad example. The insunuation that I leer at my neices is totally unfounded. I'm not going even respond afterthis. You want me to defend myself? Go **** yoursellf. I call them kittens because I'm not very close to them.

Your insuation disguting and totally innaproprate. If one want's want's to go poern,

Man, I ran this through the spellcheck and nearly crashed my computer.

[Bronx33]

I just remembered something. In all my fretting about losing players that I love, I completely forgot about Coach Q! Now there is something to be excited about. !Booya!


Yes the man is a kick a** coach and hes coming in knowing most of the players he won a cup with as an assistant.

[Mtbrncofn]

You thing that's bad i was at the game seven against the wild when richard park was scoring on Roy at will.......


Yikes!

[Bronx33]

http://www.nhl.com/nhlstats/stats

Losing the last three games killed me........

[SoCalBronco]

Sharks have a good club. Nabby is an underrated goaltender.

[Clockwork Orange]

Sharks have a good club. Nabby is an underrated goaltender.

He's been a bit up and down. I remember watching him in 2002 in a playoff series against the Avs. The Sharks were up 3-2 in the series and going home for game 6. Nabakov was brilliant, but unfortunatey for him, Roy was better. The Avs won the next two games by scores of 2-1 (OT) and 1-0.

I remember thinking at the time that he was really on the cusp of joining the elite netminders and that he'd carry over what had been an outstanding playoff showing. Strangely, he didn't. He struggled somewhat the next year and never seemed to regain that dominant form until last season.

If he can stay at that level, the Sharks will be contenders.

[Nuggets4]

Man, I ran this through the spellcheck and nearly crashed my computer.

Altavista's Babelfish is working on a Mock to English translator as we speak.

[Bronx33]

He's been a bit up and down. I remember watching him in 2002 in a playoff series against the Avs. The Sharks were up 3-2 in the series and going home for game 6. Nabakov was brilliant, but unfortunatey for him, Roy was better. The Avs won the next two games by scores of 2-1 (OT) and 1-0.

I remember thinking at the time that he was really on the cusp of joining the elite netminders and that he'd carry over what had been an outstanding playoff showing. Strangely, he didn't. He struggled somewhat the next year and never seemed to regain that dominant form until last season.

If he can stay at that level, the Sharks will be contenders.


I like nabby he's one of my favorites in the goalie position.