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Spider

07-11-2005, 05:49 PM

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/DNC_begins_Rove_campaign_What_did_Rove_know_and_wh en_did_he_know_0711.html
DNC begins Rove assault: What did Rove know and when did he know it

RAW STORY

EXCLUSIVE: The Democratic National Committee fired this salvo at Bush confidante Karl Rove in a statement to reporters Monday evening. Until now, the Party has remained relatively silent on the matter.
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WHAT DID ROVE KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT?

At the White House briefing today, Scott McClellan repeatedly stonewalled legitimate questions from reporters about his earlier assertions - now proven false - that Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove was not involved in the illegal disclosure of a CIA operative's identity. According to reports this morning, Karl Rove had detailed conversations about Valerie Plame’s classified, national security responsibilities with at least one political reporter.
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“Karl Rove and his high priced lawyers might disagree, but the truth is Rove betrayed the identity of an undercover officer fighting on the front lines in the war on terror. These actions are particularly egregious in a time of war,” said Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean. “President Bush should demonstrate his commitment to the war on terror by holding his own people accountable. It is disturbing that this high ranking Bush Advisor is not only still working in the White House, but now has a significant role in setting our National Security policy.”

See below for a new document from DNC research:

Until recently, Karl Rove had denied even knowing Valerie Plame's name. Then, after the release of emails from Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper revealing the name of the White House source, Rove's lawyer confirmed that Rove did speak with reporters about the case. Now, previously secret Time emails reveal that Rove did indeed leak to Cooper information about "Wilson's wife"-Plame. Rove had a short conversation with Time reporter Matthew Cooper on July 11, 2003, three days before Robert D. Novak publicly exposed Plame in a column about her husband, Joseph Wilson. This new evidence raises a host of new unanswered questions.

"If left unpunished, this cowardly act will not only hinder our efforts to recruit qualified individuals into the clandestine service, but it will have a far-reaching, deleterious effect on our ability to recruit foreign intelligence assets overseas."

-Larry Johnson, former CIA Analyst [Senate Democratic Policy Committee Hearing, 10/24/03]

Spider

07-11-2005, 05:51 PM

ROVE REVEALED "WILSON'S WIFE" TO COOPER

Rove Told Cooper That It Was "Wilson's Wife" Who Worked on WMDs for the CIA. Rove had a conversation with Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper on July 11, 2003. Cooper wrote an email about the conversation to his Time bureau chief. In the email, Cooper described how Rove gave him a "big warning" that Wilson's assertions might not be entirely accurate and that it was not the director of the CIA or the vice president who sent Wilson on his trip. Rather, "it was, KR said, wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency on wmd who authorized the trip." Wilson's wife is Valerie Plame, then an undercover agent working as an analyst in the CIA's Directorate of Operations counterproliferation division. [Washington Post, 7/11/05; Newsweek, 7/18/05]

Spider

07-11-2005, 05:51 PM

THE NEXT LOGICAL QUESTION:

1. Now that we know that Rove told Cooper about "Wilson's wife," who told Rove? Rove had to find out about Plame and her job from someone. Where did this information come from?

WHO ELSE LEAKED BESIDES KARL ROVE?

Rove Gave Cooper Permission to Testify-Allowing Cooper to Avoid Jail Time-But Miller Chose to Go to Jail. Rove's Robert Luskin, confirmed that Rove was the secret source who, at the request of both Cooper's lawyer and the prosecutor, gave Cooper permission to testify. Cooper avoided jail time last week by agreeing to testify before the grand jury about conversations with his sources, while New York Times reporter Judith Miller was jailed for refusing to discuss her confidential sources. [Washington Post, 7/11/05; Newsweek, 7/18/05]

THE NEXT LOGICAL QUESTION:

1. Who in the Bush Administration told Judith Miller about Plame? The information cannot have come from Rove, since Rove has "released" Cooper from confidentiality. If Rove were Miller's source, wouldn't he do the same for her? So who was Miller-a reporter working on WMDs-talking to?

ROVE had PREVIOUSLY DENIED his INVOLVEMENT - WHY?

Rove Had Previously Denied Any Involvement: In August 2004, Rove Claimed He Did Not Know Who Plame Was. In August of 2004, facing questions of his role in the Plame leak scandal, Rove denied his involvement, saying that he did not even know who Plame was at the time of the leak. "Well, I'll repeat what I said to ABC News when this whole thing broke some number of months ago. I didn't know her name and didn't leak her name." [CNN, 7/4/05]

Spider

07-11-2005, 05:52 PM

THE NEXT LOGICAL QUESTION:

1. Who in the Bush Administration told Judith Miller about Plame? The information cannot have come from Rove, since Rove has "released" Cooper from confidentiality. If Rove were Miller's source, wouldn't he do the same for her? So who was Miller-a reporter working on WMDs-talking to?

ROVE had PREVIOUSLY DENIED his INVOLVEMENT - WHY?

Rove Had Previously Denied Any Involvement: In August 2004, Rove Claimed He Did Not Know Who Plame Was. In August of 2004, facing questions of his role in the Plame leak scandal, Rove denied his involvement, saying that he did not even know who Plame was at the time of the leak. "Well, I'll repeat what I said to ABC News when this whole thing broke some number of months ago. I didn't know her name and didn't leak her name." [CNN, 7/4/05]

Yet, Cooper's Email Shows Rove Speaking to Reporters 3 Days Before Plame's Name Became Public. To be considered a violation of the law, a disclosure by a government official must have been deliberate, the discloser must have known that the CIA officer was a covert agent, and he or she must have known that the government was actively concealing the covert agent's identity. According to Newsweek, although Cooper's email does not prove that Rove knew Plame was a covert operative, "...it is significant that Rove was speaking to Cooper before Novak's column appeared; in other words, [three days] before Plame's identity had been published." [WP, 7/11/05; Newsweek, 7/18/05]

In Rove's Defense, His Lawyer Claims that Rove Did Not Identify Plame by Name-But Who Else Could "Wilson's Wife" Be? According to the Washington Post, "Rove's lawyer said yesterday that his client did not identify her by name." Yet, the substance of the email from Cooper to Time editors states that it was "Wilson's wife." Since Wilson obviously had only one wife and everyone knew who it was, Rove unquestionably did identify Plame. [Washington Post, 7/11/05]

THE NEXT LOGICAL QUESTION:

1. If Rove is innocent, then why would he claim that he didn't know who Plame was? What did he have to hide? Why was he so careful, saying that "I didn't know her name and didn't leak her name" instead of just admitting that he revealed "Wilson's wife" to Cooper? Even though Cooper's email does not indicate that Rove knew what Plame's job was, couldn't this fact simply mean that Rove did not reveal any more than needed to Cooper?

ROVE AND THE GRAND JURY

McClellan Said Rove Never Told Reporters that Plame Worked for CIA. In October of 2003 White House Press Secretary, Scott McCllelan was asked during a White House Briefing, "Scott, earlier this week you told us that neither Karl Rove, Elliot Abrams nor Lewis Libby disclosed any classified information with regard to the leak. I wondered if you could tell us more specifically whether any of them told any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA?" McClellan responded by denying that Rove or the others had assured him that they had not leaked any classified information. "Those individuals - I talked - I spoke with those individuals, as I pointed out, and those individuals assured me they were not involved in this. And that's where it stands." [WH Briefing, 10/10/03]

THE NEXT LOGICAL QUESTION:

Did Rove commit perjury in front of the grand jury? We know his initial public statements and his statements to Scott McClellan were false. And we know that after testifying once, they called him back. Did Rove change his answers to the grand jury the same way he changed his answers to the press?

Rigs11

07-11-2005, 06:10 PM

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

07-11-2005, 07:04 PM

Bronco_Beerslug

07-11-2005, 07:31 PM

White House Won't Comment on Rove, Leak

http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/mail/ts/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/topstories/*http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050712/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak_investigation

But we had to know all the details about who Clinton was schtupping, right?

Damn "liberal media."

The WH press is in fear of losing their "inside" jobs apparently (see the white glove treatment the Bush administration receives) but at least some of them finally mentioned the Rove lies.

Hogan11

07-11-2005, 07:57 PM

I hope they nail that sleazeball Rove to the friggin' wall.

I'll have more than a few beers the day that guy is taken out, that's for sure.

elsid13

07-11-2005, 08:00 PM

Man needs to go to jail period. What a scum bucket.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

07-11-2005, 08:04 PM

I hope they nail that sleazeball Rove to the friggin' wall.

I'll have more than a few beers the day that guy is taken out, that's for sure.

I hear ya.

I'd like to be more hopeful about Rove getting his comeuppance, but I'm not holding my breath.

How many times in the course of this crooked administration have we said "this is it - this is the accountability moment" - only to watch them slime out of the scandal in question?

Hope I'm wrong this time, though.

Rohirrim

07-12-2005, 06:03 AM

When all this started, didn't Bush promise that no matter who, if it is uncovered that anyone in his administration leaked that name, that person would be fired. But I guess he didn't actually use the name, did he? So everything's all right. After all, PJ O'Rourke now says that Valerie was actually working a desk job when her name came out. That makes it OK too. See how it works? There's no such thing as ethics, if you can just come up with the right spin. It's all part of our American "values."

clarker

07-12-2005, 07:12 AM

The funny thing is that Rove told him that it was Wilson's wife, and yet his lawyer is saying that he didn't do anything wrong because he didn't reveal her "name". What a bunch of crap. How hard is it to find out who someone's wife is? Hilarious!That has to be the lamest excuse I've ever heard. How can any lawyer with a straight face put this up.

This Wilson guy is fairly well known guy around D.C. from what I've read. Chances are they already know who his wife is, so he might as well gave her name.

Spider

07-12-2005, 07:30 AM

clarker

07-12-2005, 07:43 AM

sadly this is how it will go down ......
I do think if She had a desk job makes a difference. If she held a desk job or any job in the CIA where her name being leaked out will not put her or her co workers in danger, then I think Rove(if found guilty) should only go to jail for 5-10 years.

If having her name put out to the public put her life in danger or the lives of her co-workers, then he should get 20 years to life, IMO.

Spider

07-12-2005, 07:48 AM

I do think if She had a desk job makes a difference. If she held a desk job or any job in the CIA where her name being leaked out will not put her or her co workers in danger, then I think Rove(if found guilty) should only go to jail for 5-10 years.

If having her name put out to the public put her life in danger or the lives of her co-workers, then he should get 20 years to life, IMO.
That wouldnt explain why the CIA asked for this investigation ......... Very little is known about Plames work , thats the way it should be .........But at one point and time , Plame was working on the WMD issue ......

clarker

07-12-2005, 08:53 AM

That wouldnt explain why the CIA asked for this investigation ......... Very little is known about Plames work , thats the way it should be .........But at one point and time , Plame was working on the WMD issue ......I could care less why Rove gave her name up. The reason really don't mean anything. Other than for Dems to use it for politcal reasons. I'm mean what ever the reasons for doing it was wrong and that is all there is to it.

The only thing, IMO, that matters is did he leak her name? What kinds of crimes is that and how long should he go to jail. How much danger she was put in as a result of her name being leaked should factor in how long Rove should go to jail if he is found guilty, after all he is still entitled to a trial.

Montaq

07-12-2005, 09:22 AM

Al Franken is having a field day today with the Scott McClellan press conference yesterday.

Spider

07-12-2005, 11:37 AM

I could care less why Rove gave her name up. The reason really don't mean anything. Other than for Dems to use it for politcal reasons. I'm mean what ever the reasons for doing it was wrong and that is all there is to it.
CIA gave a damn ..... thats why this is being investigated

The CIA point is , you dont out our Agents , you dont out our people working undercover , I doubt we even know how many People work in the CIA , what they do .... your coworker could be CIA , the guy stocking the Shelves in the Supermarket , the guy in the car next to you @ a redlight ..... The CIA is everywhere , watching , waiting ..... We cant be outing these people , we loose a valueble tool ............

Spider

07-12-2005, 11:40 AM

http://www.crooksandliars.com/

Russert: If this was a Democratic White House, we'd have Congressional hearings in a Second.

Tim was on the Today Show this morning ( wearing his super double secret serious face ) discussing Karl Rove's involvement with leaking Valeri Plame's name to Matt Cooper. The telling moment came when he said:
Russert: One Republican said to me last night. If this was a Democratic White House, we'd have Congressional hearings in a second.

Garcia Bronco

07-12-2005, 11:45 AM

If he did it...put him down like a dog.

Montaq

07-12-2005, 12:29 PM

http://www.crooksandliars.com/

Russert: If this was a Democratic White House, we'd have Congressional hearings in a Second.

No kidding.

Rohirrim

07-12-2005, 01:01 PM

CIA gave a damn ..... thats why this is being investigated

The CIA point is , you dont out our Agents , you dont out our people working undercover , I doubt we even know how many People work in the CIA , what they do .... your coworker could be CIA , the guy stocking the Shelves in the Supermarket , the guy in the car next to you @ a redlight ..... The CIA is everywhere , watching , waiting ..... We cant be outing these people , we loose a valueble tool ............

Yeah, but you have to take into account that one of the prime directives of the Bush WH since 9/11 has been to take apart the CIA. They came in with absolutely no respect for the organization or its leadership. That leadership is now gone or effectively scattered and/or dismantled and replaced by neocons at key positions of power. All effective powers of the CIA have been removed from that organization and turned over to the Pentagon which is now firmly under the control of Rumsfeld. Haven't you been paying attention for the last five years? Everybody who offered even the slightest dissent, from the Joint Chiefs on down, is gone.

Secret, covert operations carried out by the new, Pentagon intelligence service will be conducted with zero oversight from anyone, including congress. They no longer have to get civilian approval of missions and no longer have to report their progress or actions to The People. America now has its own Secret Police. Ostensibly, their purpose is to combat foreign threats. But of course, no one will know if they decide that domestic missions are also necessary. The CIA is nothing but a shell of its former self. This is where Bush has taken us.

Rascal

07-12-2005, 01:17 PM

Like Garcia said, if he really did then he should be punished accordingly.

Until then I'll wait to see for sure and not call for his head before all the facts are known.

enjolras

07-12-2005, 02:14 PM

Does Rove have some kind of official status in the administration beyond political strategist? Should he have even KNOWN classified information such as this?

elsid13

07-12-2005, 02:26 PM

Does Rove have some kind of official status in the administration beyond political strategist? Should he have even KNOWN classified information such as this?

He is a special assistant to the president, meaning he is on the government roles. Depend on what the president requires him to do he could have access to some very sentative information.

Spider

07-12-2005, 02:26 PM

Does Rove have some kind of official status in the administration beyond political strategist? Should he have even KNOWN classified information such as this?
Karl Rove = Chief of White House Staff , and yes he could have seen the documents ( they were with Colen Powell , Bush , Cheney ) The white House has admitted , they wanted to discredit Joe Wilson and Wilsons claims about Iraq wasnt trying to get "Yellow Cake " from Niger .........

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

07-12-2005, 04:27 PM

Al Franken is having a field day today with the Scott McClellan press conference yesterday.

Simple Scotty's performance at the press conference was emblematic of this misadministration's stance on everything:

"If you're caught in a lie, simply deny everything and repeat 'no comment' a dozen times, secure in the knowledge that the good puppy press will ignore the fact that you just lied to the American people again."

Hogan11

07-12-2005, 08:28 PM

Al Franken is having a field day today with the Scott McClellan press conference yesterday.

Franken ripped it up...as usual....Al Franken is THE Man, no question!

Die Rove Die you scumbag!!! (yeah, I tend to hate this goof just a little Ha!)

Spider

07-12-2005, 08:34 PM

I wish I would have got to hear Franken on this ........ But I was busy today ......

Rigs11

07-13-2005, 08:13 AM

clarker

07-13-2005, 08:15 AM

Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, said Rove did not disclose Valerie Plame's name, a point that Sen. Joe Biden, D-Delaware, called a distinction without a difference.

"The fact that he didn't give her name, but identified the ambassador's wife ... doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who that is," Biden said on CNN's "Inside Politics." "If that occurred, at a minimum, that was incredibly bad judgment, warranting him being asked to leave."

Bush said last year he would fire anyone found to have leaked Plame's name. Sens. John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, and Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, said it's time for Rove to leave.

White House allies weighed in, with expressions of support for Rove from House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/13/cia.leaks.ap/index.htmlI hate to agree with Biden, but even if no law was broke it was incredibly bad judgment, to be kind about it and should at the least be fired.

Rigs11

07-13-2005, 08:17 AM

GOP strategy
The emerging GOP strategy -- devised by Mehlman and other Rove loyalists outside of the White House -- is to try to undermine those Democrats calling for Rove's ouster, play down Rove's role and wait for President Bush's forthcoming Supreme Court selection to drown out the controversy, according to several high-level Republicans.

The White House said Bush retains full confidence in Rove, but for a second day officials would not answer a barrage of questions about Rove's role in the leak scandal on the grounds that the investigation is not complete. But the RNC -- effectively Bush's political arm -- weighed into the controversy in a major fashion.

Mehlman, who said he talked with Rove several times in recent days, instructed GOP legislators, lobbyists and state officials to accuse Democrats of dirty politics and argue Rove was guilty of nothing more than discouraging a reporter from writing an inaccurate story, according to RNC talking points circulated yesterday.

Situation could explode
Privately, even Rove's staunchest supporters said the situation could explode if federal prosecutors accuse Rove or any other high-level official of committing a crime. William Kristol, a conservative commentator with close White House ties, said it would be hard to imagine a prosecutor conducting an investigation that has landed one reporter in jail and challenged the constitutional rights of the journalism profession without indicting someone. Special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald "is the problem for the White House, and we have no idea what he knows," Kristol said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8557461/

Traveler

07-13-2005, 08:36 AM

Karl Rove = Chief of White House Staff , and yes he could have seen the documents ( they were with Colen Powell , Bush , Cheney ) The white House has admitted , they wanted to discredit Joe Wilson and Wilsons claims about Iraq wasnt trying to get "Yellow Cake " from Niger .........

Thing is, he had access to this information "BEFORE" he was appointed WH Chief of Staff. Correct me if I'm wrong!

Spider

07-13-2005, 08:38 AM

Thing is, he had access to this information "BEFORE" he was appointed WH Chief of Staff. Correct me if I'm wrong!
That could be , all I heard was the meeting where Powell , Bush , Cheney , Rice , and the forged Documents over Niger ....... There was some top seceret documents that were gone over about Joe Wilson .......

ClevelandBronco2

07-13-2005, 08:58 AM

Y'all might want to check out the Wall Street Journal's editorial today. Or not, if you just want to vent in your typical childlike fashion.

Montaq

07-13-2005, 09:02 AM

Y'all might want to check out the Wall Street Journal's editorial today. Or not, if you just want to vent in your typical childlike fashion.

Or you could post it here since some of us may not subscribe to the WSJ.

Spider

07-13-2005, 09:05 AM

Y'all might want to check out the Wall Street Journal's editorial today. Or not, if you just want to vent in your typical childlike fashion.
LOL . you twit ... http://66.49.247.155/BB/showthread.php?t=27801
All this Idiot did was repeat the talking points .........

Spider

07-13-2005, 09:08 AM

Or you could post it here since some of us may not subscribe to the WSJ.
Cleveland Bronco wants to use a opinion piece as a way to excuse Rove .....
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006955

Spider

07-13-2005, 09:09 AM

LOL .... The Niger Documents turned out to be false , No Yellow Cake anywhere in Iraq , yet Joe Wilson was wrong Hilarious! .. only with this administration

ClevelandBronco2

07-13-2005, 12:59 PM

Forgive me while I wait for final word from a slightly more reliable source than a barely literate truck jockey. In the meanwhile, it's all opinion.

Spider

07-13-2005, 01:06 PM

Forgive me while I wait for final word from a slightly more reliable source than a barely literate truck jockey. In the meanwhile, it's all opinion.
Dont be mad , Wall Street Journal got exposed using the Talking points passed out before the artical was written ........ Just understand that you are an Idiot , and not able to see these things ......... what isnt opinion is Mccellan , Rove , Bush lying on Video ....... I just hope you are smart enough to see it .....

Garcia Bronco

07-13-2005, 01:30 PM

Forgive me while I wait for final word from a slightly more reliable source than a barely literate truck jockey. In the meanwhile, it's all opinion.

haha...he called you a truck jockey. ROFL!

rofl LOL :thumbs: :bangin:

Spider

07-13-2005, 01:34 PM

haha...he called you a truck jockey. ROFL!

rofl LOL :thumbs: :bangin:
hey look over there . there is bright shinny object ......... should keep you busy for a day or 2

Needa Pass Rush

07-13-2005, 01:44 PM

Oh look... a little lefty circle-jerk. rofl

Spider

07-13-2005, 01:48 PM

Oh look... a little lefty circle-jerk. rofl
good answer to your top boy getting busted lying ..........But then the rights circle Jerk if this was a democrat would be alot better then this one ........

Montaq

07-13-2005, 01:53 PM

Oh look... a little lefty circle-jerk. rofl

If you'd feel more comfortable at a righty circle-jerk, I found one for you.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=30

Needa Pass Rush

07-13-2005, 01:58 PM

No thanks, I like poking the hornets nest of malcontent "losers". You should lose the racist avatar.

Spider

07-13-2005, 02:00 PM

No thanks, I like poking the hornets nest of malcontent "losers". You should lose the racist avatar.
well then maybe you should lose the sexist avatar ..........

Needa Pass Rush

07-13-2005, 02:07 PM

well then maybe you should lose the sexist avatar ..........

Thanks Spider, we'll put you down as defending racism?

Spider

07-13-2005, 02:09 PM

Thanks Spider, we'll put you down as defending racism?
Racism ? or Mocking a lunitic ? .. either or I guess realy doesnt matter to me ,My stance on Non Amercicans is pretty clear ...... but then you defend sexism , so 6 in one hand half a dozen in the other ...

Needa Pass Rush

07-13-2005, 02:15 PM

Racism ? or Mocking a lunitic ? .. either or I guess realy doesnt matter to me ,My stance on Non Amercicans is pretty clear ...... but then you defend sexism , so 6 in one hand half a dozen in the other ...

:juggle: You're calling me a "lunatic"?

Lunacy is comparing my picture of a Broncos cheerleader with an avatar that openly mocks asians. I would say your defense of that makes your stance on non-americans crystal clear.

Montaq

07-13-2005, 02:16 PM

Thanks Spider, we'll put you down as defending racism?

I removed the song. I don't want to upset someone of obvious high moral character like yourself.

Spider

07-13-2005, 02:18 PM

:juggle: You're calling me a "lunatic"?

Lunacy is comparing my picture of a Broncos cheerleader with an avatar that openly mocks asians. I would say your defense of that makes your stance on non-americans crystal clear.
No , but if you fell it fits , then so be it ....... I was talking about what Montag was doing with his avatar ...... Spin your avatar all you want , still sexist , you support sexism ....you do understand that sexism is a form of racism .. only you show disrespect for someone who is a different sex , then a color ........

Needa Pass Rush

07-13-2005, 02:24 PM

No , but if you fell it fits , then so be it ....... I was talking about what Montag was doing with his avatar ...... Spin your avatar all you want , still sexist , you support sexism ....you do understand that sexism is a form of racism .. only you show disrespect for someone who is a different sex , then a color ........

Spinning? rofl

I'm sorry you find the picture of Sarah "degrading"? Grow up.

Spider

07-13-2005, 02:25 PM

Spinning? rofl

I'm sorry you find the picture of Sarah "degrading"? Grow up.
She is half dressed is she not ? admit it you are part of the problem of sexism ....

Needa Pass Rush

07-13-2005, 02:42 PM

She is half dressed is she not ? admit it you are part of the problem of sexism ....

No she is not "half dressed". Half dressed would mean one of the two garments she is wearing would be missing. Admit it, even you don't believe your own lame debate.

Sarah's picture FULLY DRESSED isn't even in the same universe of Montaq openly mocking asians. Spin it with all your arachnid arms.

Spider

07-13-2005, 02:44 PM

Admit it, even you don't believe your own lame debate. as a father of a 13 year old Daughter . you may want to rethink this idiotic statement .......

Sarah's picture FULLY DRESSED isn't even in the same universe of Montaq openly mocking asians. Spin it with all your arachnid arms.
Sure she is , that isnt her Belly or upper thieghs I see ......... Uhh
yeah what I thought . I can see you putting your woman in her place .. Her black eye can be covered up with Make up .......

Spider

07-13-2005, 02:45 PM

Go ahead Needs a pass Rush .tell us about your best pimp slap

Needa Pass Rush

07-13-2005, 02:48 PM

as a father of a 13 year old Daughter . you may want to rethink this idiotic statement .......

My daughter is 15, tool.

Sure she is , that isnt her Belly or upper thieghs I see ......... Uhh
yeah what I thought . I can see you putting your woman in her place .. Her black eye can be covered up with Make up .......

omg, Spidy, try and restrain yourself from paddling your hamster. Ha!

Spider

07-13-2005, 02:53 PM

My daughter is 15, tool.
and this has what to do with you ? your statement was aimed at me ....... But then your daughter is 15 , still doesnt tell me how you raise her now does it ?

omg, Spidy, try and restrain yourself from paddling your hamster. Ha!
Come on tell us about your pimp slap

Needa Pass Rush

07-13-2005, 02:57 PM

and this has what to do with you ? your statement was aimed at me ....... But then your daughter is 15 , still doesnt tell me how you raise her now does it ?

as a father of a 13 year old Daughter . you may want to rethink this idiotic statement .......

I was just responding to your post that looked as if it was written by a 2nd grader. Who knows what you were really saying.

Come on tell us about your pimp slap

Why? Does this excite your hick ass?

Spider

07-13-2005, 02:59 PM

I was just responding to your post that looked as if it was written by a 2nd grader. Who knows what you were really saying.
cant hang I see ... ok my point was made ....

Why? Does this excite your hick ass?
Probably no where near the man feeling you get by keeping your bítch in line

Needa Pass Rush

07-13-2005, 03:02 PM

Probably no where near the man feeling you get by keeping your bítch in line

This is what you call your wife? A b****? Yeah, I can't hang you you. And I'm the sexist one. Right, Spidey?

Spider

07-13-2005, 03:04 PM

This is what you call your wife? A b****? Yeah, I can't hang you you. And I'm sexist.
I called my Wife a bítch ONCE
but this isnt about me , this about you being a sexist .

Needa Pass Rush

07-13-2005, 03:05 PM

I called my Wife a bítch ONCE
but this isnt about me , this about you being a sexist .

No, it's about you making blind assertions about me and my family, asswipe. :loopy:

Needa Pass Rush

07-13-2005, 03:08 PM

I called my Wife a bítch ONCE
but this isnt about me , this about you being a sexist .

Why did you call her a bitch that ONE time, big man? :strong:

Spider

07-13-2005, 03:10 PM

Why did you call her a b**** that ONE time, big man? :strong:
LOL .... She ran me over with my Pick up .....

Spider

07-13-2005, 03:11 PM

No, it's about you making blind assertions about me and my family, asswipe. :loopy:
your avatar tells the story , I can see you beating down your wife , Raising a Kelly Bundy type ....... asswipe :blowhorn:

Needa Pass Rush

07-13-2005, 03:12 PM

LOL .... She ran me over with my Pick up .....

Who could blame her? Thank god you straightened her out! ::)

Needa Pass Rush

07-13-2005, 03:16 PM

your avatar tells the story , I can see you beating down your wife , Raising a Kelly Bundy type ....... asswipe :blowhorn:

Of course you can. That's because that's the kind of guy YOU are. You're so far off base it isn't even funny. As long as you're convinced of your own delusion then that all that matters.... to you.

Spider

07-13-2005, 03:17 PM

Who could blame her? Thank god you straightened her out! ::)
I see ..... so what does this have to do with you raising your daughter to dress like a slut ? After all that gal in your avatar according to you is fully dressed , you shouldnt have a problem with a 15 year old running around like that .....

Spider

07-13-2005, 03:17 PM

Of course you can. That's because that's the kind of guy YOU are. You're so far off base it isn't even funny. As long as you're convinced of your own delusion then that all that matters.... to you.
un huh .... sure thing ....

Needa Pass Rush

07-13-2005, 03:49 PM

Why did you call her a b**** that ONE time, big man?

LOL .... She ran me over with my Pick up .....

LOL Shucks, Spidey-Bob, I can almost hear the banjos playin'. rofl

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

07-13-2005, 03:55 PM

Cleveland Bronco wants to use a opinion piece as a way to excuse Rove .....
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006955

Now that's a shocker.

:laugh:

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

07-13-2005, 04:24 PM

Former RNC Chair Thinks Rove Leak Worse Than Watergate

Hunter over at DailyKos points out that former RNC Chairman Ed Gillespie thinks that the leaking of an undercover CIA operative's identity is more serious than Watergate.

CHRIS MATTHEWS: Don't you think it's more serious than Watergate, when you think about it?

RNC CHAIRMAN ED GILLESPIE: I think if the allegation is true, to reveal the identity of an undercover CIA operative -- it's abhorrent, and it should be a crime, and it is a crime.

CHRIS MATTHEWS: It'd be worse than Watergate, wouldn't it?

GILLESPIE: It's -- Yeah, I suppose in terms of the real world implications of it. It's not just politics.

Well, at least he thought that way before he found out it was Rove. I'm willing to bet he's saying something else today.

But Gillespie was right -- this is isn't "just politics"...it's our national security. Of course, current RNC Chair Ken Mehlman thinks that leaking classified information for a partisan attack was exactly what Rove should have done, which just goes to show just how partisan they are.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/12/212657/550

Spider

07-13-2005, 04:54 PM

Why did you call her a b**** that ONE time, big man?

LOL Shucks, Spidey-Bob, I can almost hear the banjos playin'. rofl
as long as the Banjos dont drown out the voices you will be fine

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

07-14-2005, 04:06 AM

Rove's lawyer, Robert Luskin, said Rove did not disclose Valerie Plame's name, a point that Sen. Joe Biden, D-Delaware, called a distinction without a difference.

"The fact that he didn't give her name, but identified the ambassador's wife ... doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who that is," Biden said on CNN's "Inside Politics." "If that occurred, at a minimum, that was incredibly bad judgment, warranting him being asked to leave."
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/13/cia.leaks.ap/index.html

Consider this also:

If Rove believed that he had done nothing wrong, he shoud have come forward when this story first broke. The very fact that the administration engaged in a 2 year conspiracy to obstruct justice, which is in and of itself a crime, indicates that they knew Rove had broken the law.

How much time and taxpayer money has been spent on this investigation? If Rove felt that he did nothing illegal, why didn't he come out in the beginning and say, "Well, it was me but I didn't know that she was undercover." He should be fired for either lying to the president or McClellen or for not releasing the journalists from their confidentiality agreement two years ago. By the way, why did he even need a confidentiality agreement if he felt that he did nothing wrong?

Rigs11

07-14-2005, 03:34 PM

http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/preview/%7B45916197-4D27-472B-A991-5519448A5996%7D.gif

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

07-15-2005, 02:08 PM

Why doesn't Bush ASK Rove if he did it?

What is this BS about Bush now waiting for the investigation to complete so that he doesn't have to judge Rove based on media reports. For a president who doesn't pay any attention to the media, that shouldn't be a problem. Simply pick up the phone, call Karl, and get his butt in your office and ASK him if he was the leaker or not.

Either Bush has done this and knows Rove is the leaker, in which case Bush lied when he said he would fire the leaker (not to mention this would mean Bush has been tolerating a security risk, and possible criminal on his staff for two years now) or Bush has not called Rove in and asked him, which raises the question 'why not?'

Why won't Bush just ask Rove if he did it?

http://www.bartcop.com/rove-never-named.jpg