This guy thinks WMD attack is coming soon.

[Hotrod]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45210

Sounds pretty far out there to me but scary idea none the less.

[Meck77]

Let's just get it over with. I'm not scared. Atleast then LA will have a minute or so to blame Bush before we all get wiped out. See you on the other side! :thumbsup: :alky:

[Rohirrim]

I like his preparation plan. It reminds me of the one I learned from a helicopter pilot when he was asked what to do if something happens to the rotor: Put your head between your legs and kiss your ass good bye.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45210

Sounds pretty far out there to me but scary idea none the less.

I've been talking about our southern borders problems for a long time not that this guy knows who has came in so far and what they have brought with them but if we don't secure the mexican border ASAP what he's talking about could very well happen.

[Hotrod]

I've been talking about our southern borders problems for a long time not that this guy knows who has came in so far and what they have brought with them but if we don't secure the mexican border ASAP what he's talking about could very well happen.

I agree Im sick of the current government (both sides) lack of urgency in the matter. Its crazy to just leave the welcome mat out and the door open. :pity:

Meck I agree its a waste of time to worry about things you cant do anything about. ^5

[Spider]

Yeah it is a serious threat ....... I am not subsribing to the we win the war in Iraq , we are safe doctorine , The daunting task is we dont know where the terrorist are , or when they will strike , Thats why I felt getting Bin Forgotten was important , not that it will end Terrorism , but it will put one hellva dent in it , and realy cut the finacial teat .......
it is nt a question of If , it is a question of when ....... I dont want to an alarmist , but you would **** if you knew the # of containers that was not getting inspected ........
But the we will fight them there instead of here , seems to be what people wanted , forget protecting our borders , sub standard security around our Nuke plants , Chemical plants , Most dont even grasp the amount of toxic chemicals carried by train .... Lets just hope the terrorist argeed to the lets fight them there instead of here agreement ..........

[Spider]

I agree Im sick of the current government (both sides) lack of urgency in the matter. Its crazy to just leave the welcome mat out and the door open. :pity:

Meck I agree its a waste of time to worry about things you cant do anything about. ^5
thats the thing , there are things we can do .....What we spend in 1 day in Iraq ,We could secure our Borders for damn near a year ........

[Hotrod]

thats the thing , there are things we can do .....What we spend in 1 day in Iraq ,We could secure our Borders for damn near a year ........

Thats fine and dandy but not an option. As you know we cant leave there today. So on to the next option???

I know its a great opportuinty to smack down the original "should we go into Iraq" issue but it does not do any good now. What to do NOW is the important issue.

[Spider]

Thats fine and dandy but not an option. As you know we cant leave there today. So on to the next option???

I know its a great opportuinty to smack down the original "should we go into Iraq" issue but it does not do any good now. What to do NOW is the important issue.
I am not talking about pulling out , I am talking cutting cost ........ Although the brittish leaked another Memo about US /GB forces pulling out in 2006 , but thats besides the point , we could cut back Spending , forgive some Iraqi Debts , let them start rebuilding their own infrastructure , meanwhile putting money into securing our Motherland .......

[Spider]

One step I would consider is cutting off phone cell service in a subway , Granted thats a ****ty thing to do , and it will only encourage Homicide bombers , to attack , but it is a start ......
Problem is you cant disrupt what Mass transit is , you start making people wait , they will find other ways to travel .......... The ultimate way to to secure our borders .....
Canada is real easy to get into easier then it is here , These terrorist could very well come to Canada and work their way south ...........
we could be facing a 3 pronged terrorist attack ......
1. From the North in Canada
2. South from Mexico
3.Containers up and down the eastern seabord and the west coast ........

[Bronco_Beerslug]

One step I would consider is cutting off phone cell service in a subway , Granted thats a ****ty thing to do , and it will only encourage Homicide bombers , to attack , but it is a start ......
Problem is you cant disrupt what Mass transit is , you start making people wait , they will find other ways to travel .......... The ultimate way to to secure our borders .....
Canada is real easy to get into easier then it is here , These terrorist could very well come to Canada and work their way south ...........
we could be facing a 3 pronged terrorist attack ......
1. From the North in Canada
2. South from Mexico
3.Containers up and down the eastern seabord and the west coast ........
I wasn't aware that cell phones worked in subways. The London bombings were probaly all set off with hard timers. Not to be picky but I think Fox coined the phrase "homicide bomber". :)

[Spider]

I wasn't aware that cell phones worked in subways. The London bombings were probaly all set off with hard timers.
They do , some places you get a stronger signal , but htey work ...



Not to be picky but I think Fox coined the phrase "homicide bomber". :)
;D Last time I use that phrase ........ Maybe Nutsack that goes boom ..... longer but I will adjust ;D

[Hotrod]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45203

[Crushaholic]

The border issue is easily my biggest disagreement with Bush. I realize that he probably wouldn't have won if he didn't pander to the pro-illegal immigration crowd in Florida, but there comes a time when the right thing has to be done.

[Spider]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45203
alot of things in that piece I agree with , we should operate on the assumption that AlQaeda is here and has nukes ...... I doubt they do , or we would have already been attacked .........

[Hotrod]

alot of things in that piece I agree with , we should operate on the assumption that AlQaeda is here and has nukes ...... I doubt they do , or we would have already been attacked .........

Thats what I keep thinking. If they had them here why would Binarsehole not order them used when we had him pinned down in torabora??? Dont make sense unless hes waiting for more to get in? They do seem to be a very slow moving wait for the right time kind of jerkwads. Still I would think if they could pull it off today why would they wait. They are losing terrorists on a daily basis around the planet. A few nukes would slow that down in a hurry.

[Hotrod]

I dont think if I lived in any of those citys mentioned by Al puka that I would worry. BUT if I did notice a bunch of dudes wearing diapers on their heads leaving town in a hurry I might consider going camping for a few days.

[Spider]

Thats what I keep thinking. If they had them here why would Binarsehole not order them used when we had him pinned down in torabora??? Dont make sense unless hes waiting for more to get in? They do seem to be a very slow moving wait for the right time kind of jerkwads. Still I would think if they could pull it off today why would they wait. They are losing terrorists on a daily basis around the planet. A few nukes would slow that down in a hurry.
Thats my point bro , we tore Al Qadea a new one in Afghanistan when we let Bin arsehole[:D] go , we allowed al Qadea to regroup ........

[enjolras]

thats the thing , there are things we can do .....What we spend in 1 day in Iraq ,We could secure our Borders for damn near a year ........

Sorry Spide.. but no we can't.

[Spider]

Sorry Spide.. but no we can't.
200 Billion a year .... thats a tidy little sum daily ........

[elsid13]

The stupid part about this editorial, from guy trying to sell you a book, is that he completely miss the real danger. Yes, nuclear weapons are scary, but they are hard to construct and harder to transport. You need weapons grade material to cause a major explosion, which isn’t as easy to get as you think. Dirty Bombs sound scary but if you're not in the immediate blast area you will survive. There is a risk of higher cancer levels but decommission should help. Biological weapons take time to spread and can be treated if detected early enough and hospitals are staff. Fear is the major factor in Dirty Bombs and Bio weapons.

But the scariest thing is Chemical Weapons. Saran, Mustard, VX Gases are quick acting, impossible to protect yourself without the proper equipment and easily available. Plus they can be successfully be developed and transported in limited conditions. Would love to see more money spent in this area of WMD then anything else.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Remember: For BushCo, everything is about politics.

If there's another attack inside the U.S. then Smirk's whole claim to be a big tough war president and the only guy who can keep us safe goes right out the window.

This should make people feel a little safer.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Let's just get it over with. I'm not scared. Atleast then LA will have a minute or so to blame Bush before we all get wiped out. See you on the other side! :thumbsup: :alky:

Meck77 with the view from the "rapture right."

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Sorry Spide.. but no we can't.
We sure could do a lot better than the open terrorist policy we now employ!!!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

One thing is for certain:

Osama Bin Laden is alive and well and planning future attacks on the U.S. and Dim Son "isn't concerned" with him.

http://www.izzyguaal.com/ws/pol/bin/2faces/2faces_thmb.jpg

[bronco_diesel]

The stupid part about this editorial, from guy trying to sell you a book, is that he completely miss the real danger. Yes, nuclear weapons are scary, but they are hard to construct and harder to transport. You need weapons grade material to cause a major explosion, which isn’t as easy to get as you think. Dirty Bombs sound scary but if you're not in the immediate blast area you will survive. There is a risk of higher cancer levels but decommission should help. Biological weapons take time to spread and can be treated if detected early enough and hospitals are staff. Fear is the major factor in Dirty Bombs and Bio weapons.

But the scariest thing is Chemical Weapons. Saran, Mustard, VX Gases are quick acting, impossible to protect yourself without the proper equipment and easily available. Plus they can be successfully be developed and transported in limited conditions. Would love to see more money spent in this area of WMD then anything else.

we will get hit with biological weapons much sooner than we will with any nukes.

and i do believe we will soon be hit. i hate to say it, but i believe our country is primed for a major fall...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If the terrorists want to see us fall with no effort on their part then all they have to do is sit back and watch Bush work his magic and watch Rome burn.

[Spider]

If the terrorists want to see us fall with no effort on their part then all they have to do is sit back and watch Bush work his magic and watch Rome burn.
I dont know I kinda like the new plan our experts have now ...... any plane even a small one gets too close , it is run like hell and hope for the Best .............

[bronco_diesel]

If the terrorists want to see us fall with no effort on their part then all they have to do is sit back and watch Bush work his magic and watch Rome burn.

does anyone else wonder if there is more going on than meets the eye? i hate to take the tone of conspiracy...but lets consider for a second:

*we are throwing tons of money at the iraq war
*most americans are in debt way over their heads
*we could get into a trade war with china
*our borders are nearly wide open
*our government has been involved in recent cases that:
a. decide life/death issues
b. determine when personal property can be seized
*our rights to bear arms are being challenged in the name of safety
*we are sacraficing liberties in the name of patriotism

maybe i am just a whacko - but it just seems that things are lining up for this country to take a great fall. anyone else seriously concerned?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

does anyone else wonder if there is more going on than meets the eye? i hate to take the tone of conspiracy...but lets consider for a second:

*we are throwing tons of money at the iraq war
*most americans are in debt way over their heads
*we could get into a trade war with china
*our borders are nearly wide open
*our government has been involved in recent cases that:
a. decide life/death issues
b. determine when personal property can be seized
*our rights to bear arms are being challenged in the name of safety
*we are sacraficing liberties in the name of patriotism

maybe i am just a whacko - but it just seems that things are lining up for this country to take a great fall. anyone else seriously concerned?

You're not a 'whacko' at all - you're just a member of the minority who are paying attention to the issues you described instead of watching "Survivor."

http://www.bartcop.com/lying-ass-back.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/pablo-bomb.jpg

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Feeling any safer after invading Iraq?

Staggered and made to feel helpless by the Sept. 11 attacks, the nation needed something to hit. So we hit those that needed hitting - the Taliban, which had sheltered Osama bin Laden - but we didn't stop there. Apparently, we bought into the xenophobic notion that taking down a Muslim tyrant who wasn't threatening us was the same as taking down the Muslim extremists who had hurt us so badly. Hopping mad and led by a president spoiling for a fight, we attacked the wrong guy. And many of us didn't care because it gave us the sense that we were doing something. It gave us
false comfort.

It is past time we faced that fact.

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_2848080

[Spider]

does anyone else wonder if there is more going on than meets the eye? i hate to take the tone of conspiracy...but lets consider for a second:

*we are throwing tons of money at the iraq war
*most americans are in debt way over their heads
*we could get into a trade war with china
*our borders are nearly wide open
*our government has been involved in recent cases that:
a. decide life/death issues
b. determine when personal property can be seized
*our rights to bear arms are being challenged in the name of safety
*we are sacraficing liberties in the name of patriotism

maybe i am just a whacko - but it just seems that things are lining up for this country to take a great fall. anyone else seriously concerned?

Serious not bad post ...... Not very bad at all ......and you could be on to somthing

[elsid13]

we will get hit with biological weapons much sooner than we will with any nukes.

and i do believe we will soon be hit. i hate to say it, but i believe our country is primed for a major fall...


Biological weapons are extreme hard to use or spread. The terrorists would do better to go on TV and said they did it to cause panic. Folks are stupid and would flock to Hospitals and overflow Emergency rooms.

[Meck77]

Can anyone name any American Muslim leaders who denounce the terrorist activities of their own people? I'd like to know who they are if you know because I don't. We can try and kill them all but that is never going to make a difference.

We need some of their peaceful leaders to step up. Either that or a visit from Allah or Jesus.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Can anyone name any American Muslim leaders who denounce the terrorist activities of their own people? I'd like to know who they are if you know because I don't.

Some Muslim leaders who are not Americans:

"The use of violence to achieve aims is condemned."--Hamid Reza Asefi, Iranian Foreign Ministry

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/mideast.reax.reut/

"These crimes are not accepted by any religion. It is a barbarism wholly rejected by Islam."--Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanese Shiite Muslim scholar

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/mideast.reax.reut/

"Targeting civilians in their transport means and lives is denounced and rejected."--Moussa Abu Marzouk, Deputy Chief of Hamas

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/07/mideast.reax.reut/

"We condemn with the strongest possible terms these explosions, and convey our sincere condolences to the British people and government."--Saeb Erekat, Palestinian Authority negotiator

http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200507/s1409603.htm

"Those responsible for London attacks are criminals who do not represent Islam or even truly understand (its message)."--Al-Azhar Grand Imam Sheikh Mohammad Sayyed Tantawi, Sunni cleric

http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2005-07/07/article07.shtml

[Meck77]

Well that's a start LA but why aren't the American Muslim leaders speaking out? That is my point. There have to be some? Or do they choose to not say anything which is the bigger problem?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Well that's a start LA but why aren't the American Muslim leaders speaking out?

I don't know that they're not - I haven't heard one way or another.

It's not like American Muslim leaders have a real high profile in America these days.

[Meck77]

I don't know that they're not - I haven't heard one way or another.

It's not like American Muslim leaders have a real high profile in America these days.

Exactly LA. I think it's intentional to be honest. You know the old Bush line. "You are either with us or against us". They definetly haven't proclaimed to be with us which means...........?

These guys could be headline news if they wanted to be. We can debate politics in here for years and not a damn thing will be accomplished. Real change has to come from the masses and there aren't any American Muslim leaders paving the way.

You could spend 100 billion dollars on the borders but they are already here. Now it's just a matter of trying to figure out who's side they are on. Not a damn thing Clinton or Bush could ever do about that.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Well that's a start LA but why aren't the American Muslim leaders speaking out? That is my point. There have to be some? Or do they choose to not say anything which is the bigger problem?
Some of them do, like they did after 9-11 also.

http://tinyurl.com/e44ac

[Meck77]

Some of them do, like they did after 9-11 also.

http://tinyurl.com/e44ac

Well ok then. So why don't you and LA spend some time contacting these groups to help them become more prominent instead of trying to gather votes for the next democrat running for president. In the history of the Orangemane I don't think anyone has switched political parties because of your posts.

You guys bread negativity in here and that's about it. I'd be all for tossing my political beliefs aside and working with you guys on a productive project to bring awarness to something like these peaceful Muslim groups or any productive idea you guys have.

Another 500,000 posts isn't going to do a ****ing thing around here. I believe we all want peace so why not work together on it? Or should we just continue to blame presidents?

I mean really we can sit around and worry about the end of the world coming like this thread suggests or make a small difference as a group of humans working together.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Well ok then. So why don't you and LA spend some time contacting these groups to help them become more prominent instead of trying to gather votes for the next democrat running for president. In the history of the Orangemane I don't think anyone has switched political parties because of your posts.

You guys bread negativity in here and that's about it. I'd be all for tossing my political beliefs aside and working with you guys on a productive project to bring awarness to something like these peaceful Muslim groups or any productive idea you guys have.

Another 500,000 posts isn't going to do a ****ing thing around here. I believe we all want peace so why not work together on it? Or should we just continue to blame presidents?
Sure, I'm going to spend my time helping the Muslims in America improve their image. Same question for you, why don't you? And you keep forgetting something, I'm not gathering votes for anyone. Something that some conservatives have a hard time with (the millions of people in this country that see the Bush administration for what it is) and are not registered democrats. And something else, The "you guys" your stereotyping here is turning into the majority in this country when it comes to this administration. It's just taken longer for some to see the truth than others.

EDIT: As far as working together for peace there will be none with the Bush policies in effect. Once he is removed, hopefully the next leader of this country will posses some leadership skills.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You guys bread(sic) negativity in here and that's about it.

*sigh*

The crime family you're backing breeds the 'negativity' - we just report it and discuss our feelings about it.

Another 500,000 posts isn't going to do a ****ing thing around here.

Falling back on the same old attempts to get the liberals to shut up, eh?

Given GeeDubya's and the GOP's difficulties, I guess that's your last refuge.

I believe we all want peace so why not work together on it? Or should we just continue to blame presidents?

There's a difference between blame and accountability.

We can't work on peace until you are willing to hold your war-mongering president accountable for his actions.

[Meck77]

Ok Slug isn't interested. Anyone else interested in doing something positive around here? I'm not saying it has to be working with peaceful Muslim groups. I'm open to any suggestions. Let's face it. Hundreds of hours go into this forum every week. And for what?

Maybe we could find a Muslim board and try to bridge some differences between us and them?

I'm just brainstorming here.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And something else, The "you guys" your stereotyping here is turning into the majority in this country when it comes to the this administration. It's just taken longer for some to see the truth than others.


:thumbsup:

Post of the day!

[Meck77]

Ok Bush is a war monger. Let's work together on peace.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Ok Bush is a war monger. Let's work together on peace.
I'm all for that. What do you think would help to get the country out of war and back on the road of a peaceful existence?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ok Slug isn't interested. Anyone else interested in doing something positive around here?

What an arrogant statement.

How do you know what slug and/or anyone else here is or isn't doing in their communities?

Some of us have been "doing something positive" for years now.

I'm not going to toot my own horn, but I've put years of my time and money into a range of peace-related (and other humanitarian) causes. I'm not talking just money - I'm talking serious volunteer work.

I'm not saying it has to be working with peaceful Muslim groups. I'm open to any suggestions.

You're open to suggestions you say?

You might start by refusing to support/defend criminals like BushCo and to demand accountability for their crimes.

Maybe we could find a Muslim board and try to bridge some differences between us and them?

How about finding some real live Muslims in your community (if there are any) and trying to "bridge some differences?"

Then you might have the cred to preach to the rest of us.

[Meck77]

I'm all for that. What do you think would help to get the country out of war and back on the road of a peaceful existence?

Well good! That is the million dollar question isn't it slug. Why not start with one small step. We all want instant gratification but wouldn't it be nice to see this forum make small steps and see something good come out of all the energy that gets pumped into this place?

It works for the tailgate forum. I'm not saying we all need to buddy up and drink beer with one another but the first time I ever said "Anyone coming to a Broncos game and want to tailgate" it fell on deaf ears and I felt like an idiot but it's come a long way in a few years.

There is alot of good we could do working with one another instead of against eachother.

Talk is cheap and we've all done our share. Making change is REAL work.

[Spider]

My Emails have gone unheard ........ well no one has answered them ......... Here is the Problem , We can Blame Bush , Al Qadea , Clinton , Jack the ripper , they all share alot of the blame ......
Bush was handling this right untill we went into Iraq , I dont know how to right the ship now , Some how some believe that when we win in Iraq ( and we will) that the terrorist will say , Damn they beat the hell out of Iraq we better not mess with these guys ...... That texan is a loon .... We all can invision that happening .......
Only solution I can come up with is Nail Bin Forgottens ass to the wall , cut Irans throat through sanctions , will be hard to do after the WMD issue , but we will get it done ......

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Well good! That is the million dollar question isn't it slug. Why not start with one small step. We all want instant gratification but wouldn't it be nice to see this forum make small steps and see something good come out of all the energy that gets pumped into this place?

It works for the tailgate forum. I'm not saying we all need to buddy up and drink beer with one another but the first time I ever said "Anyone coming to a Broncos game and want to tailgate" it fell on deaf ears and I felt like an idiot but it's come a long way in a few years.

There is alot of good we could do working with one another instead of against eachother.

Talk is cheap and we've all done our share. Making change is REAL work.
When it comes to Bronco fans at Bronco games I would hope the politics stay home. It does for me and my friends (some who don't seem think too clearly and have different views from mine:)
You've obviously done a GREAT job (organizing Bronco fans) and are without a doubt one of the Bronco's greatest supporters!

When it comes to the direction of our country all we have is our voices. I've always believed (since the late 60s anyway) war to be the LAST resort to resolve conflict. And I believe the more information people have the more they are better able to make educated decisions. So the more we know about what we are actually doing as a country and the more we talk about those things, the better the chances are Americans will make knowledgeable decisions regarding the direction of our country.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

We can Blame Bush , Al Qadea , Clinton , Jack the ripper , they all share alot of the blame .....

Tell ya what amigo:

Clinton made mistakes and certainly wasn't perfect, but I'll bet if you took a poll right now you'd find that a vast majority of Americans would rather have him in charge right now than the frat boy.

If WJC could run for president again, he'd bury any candidate the rethugs could find.

[Meck77]

My Emails have gone unheard ......

Well that's my point. 1 email alone means jack. You bundle 20 or 100 together and it might open an ear.

Slug I don't hold grudges about what get's said in here but I must admit your post about my friend having the intelligence of a private got to me. It's rolled off my back since then. There was a time Alec Raneous and I fought so much on the board I demanded the mother ****er call me. He had the guts to and we laughed afterwards. I even picked the sorry son of a gun up to take him to a game.

You should here the story how I met spider about 4 years ago...lmfao

I agree Slug information is important but if you look at the history of this forum I honestly don't think many opinions change. Maybe I'm wrong.

Well I've thrown my idea out there. It it falls on deaf ears I go my way you go yours. If someone else is interested in picking up the ball and throwing an idea out there I'm all ears.

I just hate to see all this powerful energy go to waste to be honest.

I'm not saying we need to revolutionize the messageboard world but for ****s sake when is enough blame enough?

[Spider]

you know what pisses me off the most .......... Bush had a chance to lead us into long lasting unity after 9-11 , the road was there , Think Back to 9-11 , when we saw those people jumping out of windows to their deaths , Firefighters , cops running into the buildings to save lives , we didnt give a damn if they was Reps , Dems , Libs , Neo Cons , all we saw was fellow Americans in dire straits , I wept , then anger set in , I wanted blood from who ever did this , 99.9% of Americans agreed , kill those bastards that did this . We was acceptable to what ever our leaders told us , we was told Al Qadea in Afghanistan , and the Taliban wont turn this scum sucker over , Bush went in 90% of America cheered , as we went after Bin Ladin ....Now this is where Bush dropped the ball , he sold us a bad bill of goods on Iraq , he split our forces to go into Iraq ...... He lost alot of America doing this ........

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

When it comes to the direction of our country all we have is our voices. I've always believed (since the late 60s anyway) war to be the LAST resort to resolve conflict.

Interesting how most of the veterans here feel this way and those who have never served feel just the opposite.

[Spider]

Well that's my point. 1 email alone means jack. You bundle 20 or 100 together and it might open an ear.
I am willing to give it more tries ........



You should here the story how I met spider about 4 years ago...lmfao
Hilarious! I finaly found a good resteraunt

[/QUOTE]

[Meck77]

you know what pisses me off the most .......... Bush had a chance to lead us into long lasting unity after 9-11 , the road was there , Think Back to 9-11 , when we saw those people jumping out of windows to their deaths , Firefighters , cops running into the buildings to save lives , we didnt give a damn if they was Reps , Dems , Libs , Neo Cons , all we saw was fellow Americans in dire straits , I wept , then anger set in , I wanted blood from who ever did this , 99.9% of Americans agreed , kill those bastards that did this . We was acceptable to what ever our leaders told us , we was told Al Qadea in Afghanistan , and the Taliban wont turn this scum sucker over , Bush went in 90% of America cheered , as we went after Bin Ladin ....Now this is where Bush dropped the ball , he sold us a bad bill of goods on Iraq , he split our forces to go into Iraq ...... He lost alot of America doing this ........

Well the reality is there will come a day when Me, you, LA, and slug will be shedding tears watching CNN again. The question is what do we do in the meantime?

LA I have a serious question for you. What do you do for a living? I've always had the impression you really are involved in politics as a full time profession? Honestly.

How many other boards do you post at? You don't have to answer I just scratch my head sometimes wondering why you care so much about this little part of the net so much and fight so hard. And for what?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

you know what pisses me off the most .......... Bush had a chance to lead us into long lasting unity after 9-11 , the road was there , Think Back to 9-11 , when we saw those people jumping out of windows to their deaths , Firefighters , cops running into the buildings to save lives , we didnt give a damn if they was Reps , Dems , Libs , Neo Cons , all we saw was fellow Americans in dire straits , I wept , then anger set in , I wanted blood from who ever did this , 99.9% of Americans agreed , kill those bastards that did this . We was acceptable to what ever our leaders told us , we was told Al Qadea in Afghanistan , and the Taliban wont turn this scum sucker over , Bush went in 90% of America cheered , as we went after Bin Ladin ....Now this is where Bush dropped the ball , he sold us a bad bill of goods on Iraq , he split our forces to go into Iraq ...... He lost alot of America doing this ........

Excellent take, and I think it sums up the feelings of a lot of people in America.

Until the people who have supported bush and repeatedly called us liberals a thousand vile names for pointing out all along what we now know to be the truth about BushCo admit the error of their ways (and apologize for calling us conspiracy theorist nutjobs and traitors who want the terrorists to win and all that other vile crap) I, for one, don't feel any obligation to reach out to them or to work with them.

[Spider]

Well the reality is there will come a day when Me, you, LA, and slug will be shedding tears watching CNN again. The question is what do we do in the meantime?

as for you and me and every other citizen , we must remain vigilant I know I live in Wyoming , and we are not high on anyones list for vacations much less terror attacks , but my point is we as citizens need to help out authorities , we must do our part ........

[Meck77]

Excellent take, and I think it sums up the feelings of a lot of people in America.

Until the people who have supported bush and repeatedly called us liberals a thousand vile names for pointing out all along what we now know to be the truth about BushCo admit the error of their ways (and apologize for calling us conspiracy theorist nutjobs and traitors who want the terrorists to win and all that other vile crap) I, for one, don't feel any obligation to reach out to them or to work with them.

Well that sums up your stance. I thought you might be a man who really wants to make a difference. There are several thousand of your posts that reflect your passion yet it's come down to you truly being bitter. Real change is difficult and that's why you guys are getting uncomfortable when I suggest it.

[Meck77]

as for you and me and every other citizen , we must remain vigilant I know I live in Wyoming , and we are not high on anyones list for vacations much less terror attacks , but my point is we as citizens need to help out authorities , we must do our part ........


Well that's the most productive thing I've read all day compared to what LA said was "The post of the Day".

That is definetly something we can all do to prevent terrorism and it has nothing to do with politics. It's about protecting a baby in the stroller infront of you or someone elses kid in a crowded bus.

Unfortunately I think people have already put 9-11 behind them and don't really pay attention to what's going on. How many people do you hear complain at the airport in security lines? I fly alot and every damn time there are people b****ing. I'm very outspoken as I think you know. I call those bastards out everytime I hear it. It shocks the hell out of them and they STF up everytime when I remind them why they are in a security line.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Well that's my point. 1 email alone means jack. You bundle 20 or 100 together and it might open an ear.

Slug I don't hold grudges about what get's said in here but I must admit your post about my friend having the intelligence of a private got to me. It's rolled off my back since then.
You took that comment wrong. Being in the military, I seen how every level of rank was only given information on a need to know basis. It was absolutely nothing personal or demeaning towards your friend. I'm sure he believes in what he's doing as most servicemen do. Officers, generally do get more training and your friend might even be getting some specialized training but 2nd LTs are only at the bottom of the chain of command of COs so that was all that was meant when I was talking about some privates being as sharp or sharper than bottom ranking COs.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LA I have a serious question for you. What do you do for a living? I've always had the impression you really are involved in politics as a full time profession? Honestly.

I work in the music industry. As for the extent of my political/social activism, I think you missed post #48 where I touched on the subject.

How many other boards do you post at?

A few.


I just scratch my head sometimes wondering why you care so much about this little part of the net so much and fight so hard. And for what?

And I scratch my head sometimes wondering why you (and others like you) concern yourselves so much with me (and others like me) instead of just focusing on yourselves.

[Meck77]

No problem. Alot of things get misunderstood via a post.

Well I'm out. You fellas have a good night. Keep up the fight to whatever you think is appropriate. I may not agree with all your takes but I respect the passion you guys bring to this forum. Atleast you guys give a shiat but I think more could be done around here in a positive way.

Just my 2 cents.

[Meck77]

I work in the music industry. As for the extent of my political/social activism, I think you missed post #48 where I touched on the subject.



A few.



And I scratch my head sometimes wondering why you (and others like you) concern yourselves so much with me (and others like me) instead of just focusing on yourselves.

This is a discussion board LA. People are suppose to interact with opinions and topics. I suppose you could throw down a thousand links but if they don't get resonded to it defeats the purpose wouldn't you say?

Besides who said politics is about focusing on yourself? I thought the idea was to find a better way for a civilization to operate? You know LA I'm actually surprised at some of your responses. I joke with you about being a bitter individual but man o man you need to ligthen up dude.

[Spider]

Well that's the most productive thing I've read all day compared to what LA said was "The post of the Day".

That is definetly something we can all do to prevent terrorism and it has nothing to do with politics. It's about protecting a baby in the stroller infront of you or someone elses kid in a crowded bus.

Unfortunately I think people have already put 9-11 behind them and don't really pay attention to what's going on. How many people do you hear complain at the airport in security lines? I fly alot and every damn time there are people b****ing. I'm very outspoken as I think you know. I call those bastards out everytime I hear it. It shocks the hell out of them and they STF up everytime when I remind them why they are in a security line.
I dont think we have , 9-11 has been over played by a few in the Media , But you let 1 guy walk into a building , see how many people watch him .........
I agree with you about Airport security ....... Richard Reid , realy caused the clamps to come down ....... I do believe someone tries to hijack a plane with a box cutter , the terrorist will get his ass kicked so far up to his shoulders , that when the terrorist is locked up in Gitmo he has to take his shirt off to shít ......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Well that sums up your stance. I thought you might be a man who really wants to make a difference.

There you go with the arrogant BS again.

How do you know what anyone here is doing or has done to "make a difference?"

I've probably forgotten more about investing one's time and money in the effort to "make a difference" than you'll ever know, son.


There are several thousand of your posts that reflect your passion yet it's come down to you truly being bitter.

There you go with the same old arrogant crap again.

Anyone who expects accountability from Bush and his supporters is just being "bitter."

If you really want to see bipartisan unity, then you might want to ixnay on this sort of insult to our intelligence.


Real change is difficult and that's why you guys are getting uncomfortable when I suggest it.

There you go making assumptions about what the rest of know or don't know about "real change" again.

Do you have any idea how arrogant this sounds?

Probably not.

[Meck77]

[QUOTE
How about finding some real live Muslims in your community (if there are any) and trying to "bridge some differences?"

Then you might have the cred to preach to the rest of us.[/QUOTE]

Ok done deal. I accept that challenge. I brought out the challenge because honestly I wasn't sure if they existed. Maybe there are some in Denver. If they are here I will find them. It wouldn't hurt me one bit to get to know some of them to try and understand them.

[Spider]

No problem. Alot of things get misunderstood via a post.

Well I'm out. You fellas have a good night. Keep up the fight to whatever you think is appropriate. I may not agree with all your takes but I respect the passion you guys bring to this forum. Atleast you guys give a shiat but I think more could be done around here in a positive way.

Just my 2 cents.
Night Bro ..... alot more could be done , as has been pointed out border security , my elected officials here ignore my Emails , but the more we bítch the sooner they will have to listen ....... Hell Meck you got a meeting with Bowlen , use your connections to get people to Email their leaders about our borders ........ Standard reply I get is you live in Wyoming , there isnt enough people there to fill a stadium ........

[Meck77]

I never proclaimed to be a politician. Infact I hate politics. You my friend suck at it also. :wave:

Politicians are supposed to bring people together and make productive things happen. I just don't believe you have the ability to bring people together and get results LA. You can't even discuss a topic without getting stressed out. (See the last 10 or so posts)

It really sucks when someone challenges you LA doesn't it? You would prefer that we all read you hundreds of links and just roll over and bow to you? You readily admitted you want that.

Sorry bro real change takes work not cut and pastes.

Well wtf do I know. I'm just a guy that wears orange at a BBQ. BTW when are you coming to one LA?

Spider as for you if you were running for Mayor of my city I'd vote for you even though I don't agree with half of what you have to say. You speak from the heart unlike LA. LA has a different agenda. He is looking for validation from people who do not agree with him. That's the difference with you Spider. You atleast look for solutions or try to sort them out. LA just wants Bush's head on the platter along with anyone who voted for him.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Politicians are supposed to bring people together and make productive things happen. I just don't believe you have the ability to bring people together and get results LA.

I'm not surprised that you would beileve this.

It's obvious that, to you, "bringing people together and getting results" precludes that uncomfortable little thing called "accountability."

It means not holding Bush (or any repub) accountable for his actions.

The first step is admitting you have a problem, and the guy you are backing refuses to do this, and you refuse to call him on it.


You can't even discuss a topic without getting stressed out.

Ah, I'm "stressed out" because I call you on your condescending remarks and arrogant tone?

You need to apply some Windex to your crystal ball, dude.

[Meck77]

This thread should be a case study as to why America will fail. Forget who the president is. America is so devided that we can't even communicate with one another. The enemy isn't even AQ as much as it is ourselves.

LA have you ever held one democrat accountable for their actions? Come on to you Clinton walked on water and never made a mistake. That isn't even what this is about. Bush has made alot of mistakes. So did Clinton. That is why we are in this cluster **** now.

People have been killing one another since the beginning of time man. Open own your eyes. Take a look at where terrorism has it's roots. It's not 9-11, it's not Clinton, It's not Bush. Take a look at where the modern terrorism took it's roots and how we got involved. Our alliances have gotten us in the shiat sandwich. Bush hadn't even had his first line of coke when all the real problems were unfolding.

I don't have to map out why we are in this mess LA. You know. It's very clearly written in Bin Laden's declaration of war on America. Take the time to read it will you?

He summarizes it very clearly. Whether you choose to believe it is up to you but he explains his stance.

Pick your commaner LA. Is it God? Allah? YHVH?

These are teams and line was drawn in the sand decades ago (or atleast the modern terrorist line). Don't get caught up in the little things LA. Open your eyes. :crazy:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It really sucks when someone challenges you LA doesn't it?


rofl

If you think you've somehow "challenged" me here then you are even more grandiose than I thought.

You would prefer that we all read you hundreds of links and just roll over and bow to you?

Not at all.

Just don't expect me to roll over when you start up with the arrogant BS and the falsehoods about liberals (myself included.)

Sorry bro real change takes work not cut and pastes.

Speaking of arrogant BS - there it is again.

I repeat: How do you know what anyone here does on the street?

Who are you to lecture the rest of us about "real change" and "work?"

I'd really like to know what your qualifications are before you post your next condescending quip.

[Meck77]

How about them Broncos LA?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LA have you ever held one democrat accountable for their actions?

You bet.

However, in spite of this deflection attempt on your part, the Dems have not led us into the mess we're in right now with respect to the Iraq war and the U.S. economy - that was the repubs (who control all three branches of government.)

These are the same people you are defending and supporting.

When the bus we're all riding in crashes, you want to hold anyone but the driver(s) responsible.

I don't have to map out why we are in this mess LA. You know. It's very clearly written in Bin Laden's declaration of war on America. Take the time to read it will you?

Take the time to read the evidence that you are supporting a "president" and a party who, instead of working to end terrorism, have done more to exacerbate the problem than any administration hitherto, and you might be up to speed on the subject.

When you are willing to admit that Bush's policies are not only ineffective but serve to fuel the terrorism problem, then we can talk.

[Meck77]

have done more to exacerbate the problem than any administration hitherto, and you might be up to speed on the subject.

.

And what is that problem LA? Please define it. Where is the heart.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Pick your commaner LA. Is it God? Allah? YHVH?

These are teams and line was drawn in the sand decades ago (or atleast the modern terrorist line). Don't get caught up in the little things LA. Open your eyes. :crazy:

God?

I don't know about your God, but mine doesn't see any teams or any lines in the sand.

My God is Love, and He (or She or It or whatever) places the welfare of humanity as a whole over any "teams."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And what is that problem LA? Please define it. Where is the heart.

Terrorism.

The administration you are defending/supporting is making the problem worse instead of better.

Even your own Pentagon and CIA have admitted this.

Why won't you?

[Meck77]

God?

I don't know about your God, but mine doesn't see any teams or any lines in the sand.

My God is Love, and He (or She or It or whatever) places the welfare of humanity as a whole over any "teams."

Well maybe yours doesn't but the other two do. We weren't "Choosen" by the winning team (god). The other two sides believe they were and we are caught in the middle bro. America is a pawn and we are paying the bill. Have you read Spider's thread that he just started? Come on LA. Follow the money you find the power and who is really pulling the strings. It isn't the Jackass known as George Bush. He's schmuck LA and so are you if you are so shallow to think Geore Bush is the center of the universe. He's frat boy caught in a war that has dated back thousands of years and finally peaked between Israel and Palestinians. You feel better. I readilly admit it. I play this game with you for entertainment because the real root of the problem never gets discussed in this forum. Clinton bowed down to the forces that controlled him also. None of our presidents will take a stand for America. Not this one or even the next two until we are really ****ed but by then it will probably be too late. It makes no difference if they are republican or democrat. America is a pawn in this war can't you see? I don't think I need to make it any more clear than this do I? I'm surprised I even had to spell it out for you.

Why the hell do you think Saddam was really removed and who wanted him gone? Maybe the country that had scud missles raining down on them not long ago.

Where do you think we got our "intelligence" about where the "WMD" was supposed to be? Yep. You got it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Well maybe yours doesn't but the other two do. We weren't "Choosen" by the winning team (god). The other two sides believe they were and we are caught in the middle bro. America is a pawn and we are paying the bill. Have you read Spider's thread that he just started? Come on LA. Follow the money you find the power and who is really pulling the strings. It isn't the Jackass known as George Bush. He's schmuck LA. You feel better. I readilly admit it. I play this game with you for entertainment because the real root of the problem never gets discussed in this forum. Clinton bowed down to the forces that controlled him also. None of our presidents will take a stand for America. Not this one or even the next two until we are really ****ed but by then it will probably be too late. It makes no difference if they are republican or democrat. America is a pawn in this war can't you see? I don't think I need to make it any more clear than this do I? I'm surprised I even had to spell it out for you.

Jumping off the BushCo bandwagon, are we?

Good for you.

It's about time. :thumbs:

[Meck77]

Jumping off the BushCo bandwagon, are we?

Good for you.

It's about time. :thumbs:


I was never on it. Now start answering my questions because I don't think you speak what you really have to say around here either.

Let me rephrase that. I don't agree with all of Bush's policies but and I sure as hell wouldn't have voted for the scum bag John Kerry either. Both of them are morons and are serving the interest of where the money is. They don't serve us. I vote republican because I believe in lower taxes and less welfare. I don't need some idiot controlling my money. I can handle it better than they can and can do more good with it to help others. Anyway the economy is an entire different subject.

This war on terror is a war on religion.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I was never on it. Now start answering my questions because I don't think you speak what you really have to say around here either.

Oh, I've said recently that I don't think too many of the pols in Washington are representing my interests or those of the majority of Americans - Dems included.

But if you try to claim that Clinton was anywhere near as corrupt as Bush then we have to part company.

I'm not saying Clinton was a Boy Scout - just that Team Bush makes Clinton's administration look like Boy Scouts.

Bush has taken cronyism, militant corporatism, and the state of being beholden to special interests to a whole new and unprecedented level.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I vote republican because I believe in lower taxes and less welfare.

Well, we've all seen how that has turned out, haven't we?

Lower taxes (if you're a millionaire or a billionaire) and an unprecedented increase in corporate welfare.

And when you vote for repubs you're not just supporting their tax policies - you've empowering their entire agenda.

[Meck77]

Jumping off the BushCo bandwagon, are we?

Good for you.

It's about time. :thumbs:


I was never on it. Now start answering my questions because I don't think you speak what you really have to say around here either.

Let me rephrase that. I don't agree with all of Bush's policies but and I sure as hell wouldn't have voted for the scum bag John Kerry either. Both of them are morons and are serving the interest of where the money is. They don't serve us. I vote republican because I believe in lower taxes and less welfare. I don't need some idiot controlling my money. I can handle it better than they can and can do more good with it to help others. Anyway the economy is an entire different subject.

This war on terror is a war on religion. Like I said before and you may have missed it as I edited it in later. You got three teams LA.

1) God
2) Allah
3) YHVH

Only one of them can win and the followers of the second two believe they are destined to be the winners and have no fear. The rest of the BS you talk about is incidental in the grand scheme of things.

Don't you have Arab or Jewish friends? I do and I've spoken to them freely. You want to speak with someone and get to know them? Do it with a 12 pack of beer. I've heard **** from both sides of them that scared the piss out of me. They are both willing to defend their land to the death and guess who get's the bill?

LA Broncos fan and Meck 77

I'm going to bed. Hmm which God should I pray to? Hopefully the one on the right side of the "terrorism". Is that the one fighting the suicide bombers or the one telling the suicide bombers to defend their land? Or the other God?

Funny how you think everything is so black and white LA. You had me pinned as some Bush lover yet I've been playing games with you off and on for a year or more. Think about all that precious time you wasted on me responding to my posts as I got a rise out of you. It was fun but now I'm done.


Yawn. I think I'm going to have a cold beer now.

Peace

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This war on terror is a war on religion. Like I said before and you may have missed it as I edited it in later. You got three teams LA.

1) God
2) Allah
3) YHVH



Uh uh, dude.

What you have are some fringe groups of extremists who do evil things in the name of these three religions.

And they no more represent these religious traditions (or the majority of followers) than Tim McVeigh represents all repubs.

Don't you have Arab or Jewish friends? I do and I've spoken to them freely. You want to speak with someone and get to know them? Do it with a 12 pack of beer. I've heard **** from both sides of them that scared the piss out of me. They are both willing to defend their land to the death and guess who get's the bill?

LA Broncos fan and Meck 77

Wait a minute - just a few posts ago you said you didn't know if there were any Muslims in Denver and that you were going to have to see if you could track some down.

And none of the Arabs I know drink alcohol (they're Muslims.)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Anyway, I gotta get to my gig.

L8

[Arkie]

I'm convinced that LABF has a pathological hatred for George Bush. Like many others, he puts forth a conscious effort to reject any form of understanding. It's all black and white. Anything bad about Bush is gospel like Fahrenheit 9/11. Anything good has to be all lies because this is Bush we are talking about. The worst human ever born.

We are divided because we have people with an emotional attachment to Bush on one side, and a group with blind hatred for Bush on the other. We will be going in circles all day. Terrorists are smiling.

[Hotrod]

does anyone else wonder if there is more going on than meets the eye? i hate to take the tone of conspiracy...but lets consider for a second:

*we are throwing tons of money at the iraq war
*most americans are in debt way over their heads
*we could get into a trade war with china
*our borders are nearly wide open
*our government has been involved in recent cases that:
a. decide life/death issues
b. determine when personal property can be seized
*our rights to bear arms are being challenged in the name of safety
*we are sacraficing liberties in the name of patriotism

maybe i am just a whacko - but it just seems that things are lining up for this country to take a great fall. anyone else seriously concerned?

Nothing wrong with your ideas. There is a movement currently that thinks its all being done to help move the world towards the NWO. One world government one world religion that kind of stuff. Not sure if thats what your talking about here but its an interesting 'theory'. I think it very well maybe something along those lines just not quite that large.

[Spider]

I'm convinced that LABF has a pathological hatred for George Bush. Like many others, he puts forth a conscious effort to reject any form of understanding. It's all black and white. Anything bad about Bush is gospel like Fahrenheit 9/11. Anything good has to be all lies because this is Bush we are talking about. The worst human ever born.

We are divided because we have people with an emotional attachment to Bush on one side, and a group with blind hatred for Bush on the other. We will be going in circles all day. Terrorists are smiling.
Nice try but hardly ........ Iraqi war was the issue that realy seperated America , Remember our troops going into Iraq without Proper armor ?
Bush's approval Ratings were between 80-90% right after 9-11 . when he went into Iraq , they dropped to 50% , and continue on to plummet .........

[Arkie]

Nice try but hardly ........ Iraqi war was the issue that realy seperated America , Remember our troops going into Iraq without Proper armor ?
Bush's approval Ratings were between 80-90% right after 9-11 . when he went into Iraq , they dropped to 50% , and continue on to plummet .........

There are intellegent people on both sides of the division. The fact is we have two or more opposing viewpoints about the reasons for this war. It's bound to be sufficiently complex enough to be beyond the full comprehension of anyone. Both sides raise good arguments. I don't think we will solve anything in this forum. It's similar to Raider fan trying to convince us to become Raider fans. It just ain't gonna happen.

[bronco_diesel]

Nothing wrong with your ideas. There is a movement currently that thinks its all being done to help move the world towards the NWO. One world government one world religion that kind of stuff. Not sure if thats what your talking about here but its an interesting 'theory'. I think it very well maybe something along those lines just not quite that large.

actually, i am very familiar with that theory. i have read and researched a lot of it. my first impression was no way - this is a bunch of paranoid idiots looking for a conspiracy. however, the more i pay attention, the more i research, the more i see things happen each and every day - i really do raise an eyebrow and consider it could actually be happening.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

We are divided because we have people with an emotional attachment to Bush on one side, and a group with blind hatred for Bush on the other. We will be going in circles all day. Terrorists are smiling.
Thankfully, that division is shrinking every day where most people now see Bush lied to take the country to war.

[Hotrod]

Thankfully, that division is shrinking every day where most people now see Bush lied to take the country to war.

Thats all good and all except in 08 the dems are gonna go and run someone like billary and force the angry Repubs to vote Repub again anyway. I wish the dems would run someone I felt like I could actually vote for. :sickortir

[Spider]

There are intellegent people on both sides of the division. The fact is we have two or more opposing viewpoints about the reasons for this war. It's bound to be sufficiently complex enough to be beyond the full comprehension of anyone. Both sides raise good arguments. I don't think we will solve anything in this forum. It's similar to Raider fan trying to convince us to become Raider fans. It just ain't gonna happen.
;D ....... all I was pointing out is we all didnt hate Bush , even I was in Bush's corner .....90% approval Rating is off the charts ....

[Spider]

Thats all good and all except in 08 the dems are gonna go and run someone like billary and force the angry Repubs to vote Repub again anyway. I wish the dems would run someone I felt like I could actually vote for. :sickortir
dont look past Richardson .....

[Hotrod]

actually, i am very familiar with that theory. i have read and researched a lot of it. my first impression was no way - this is a bunch of paranoid idiots looking for a conspiracy. however, the more i pay attention, the more i research, the more i see things happen each and every day - i really do raise an eyebrow and consider it could actually be happening.

Ive looked into it myself to some degree. They do make a pretty solid case for it yet I think its prolly ALONG way from happening myself. It will happen but its gonna take alot of breaking down of countrys/religions/peoples national pride.

[Hotrod]

dont look past Richardson .....

Ya its too early to say for sure whos gonna get the nod from either side.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Thats all good and all except in 08 the dems are gonna go and run someone like billary and force the angry Repubs to vote Repub again anyway. I wish the dems would run someone I felt like I could actually vote for. :sickortir
I'll vote for whoever I think best understands what we need to do in this country to move forward economically, aggressively pursue renewable energies and secure our borders.

[Spider]

Ya its too early to say for sure whos gonna get the nod from either side.
http://www.westerndemocrat.com/2005/07/governors__pres.html
read this , good stuff Bro

[Arkie]

It's going to be difficult to rule over 6.5 billion people under one government. We may have over 10 billion by 2050.

[Hotrod]

I'll vote for whoever I think best understands what we need to do in this country to move forward economically, aggressively pursue renewable energies and secure our borders.

Whos gonna do that? Seriously whos gonna come in and campain on closing the borders and "aggressivley pursue renewable energies". They would get eaten alive by the big money that controls the country.

They all say they will improve our economy so thats a wash.

[Meck77]

Thankfully, that division is shrinking every day where most people now see Bush lied to take the country to war.


Wrong. Look where our intelligence came from Slug and open your eyes a bit about who the real players are in the region and why America was sent to do their dirty work.

I'm beside myself that you guys cannot see that America has been played like a pawn here.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Wrong. Look where our intelligence came from Slug and open your eyes a bit about who the real players are in the region and why America was sent to do their dirty work.

I'm beside myself that you guys cannot see that America has been played like a pawn here.
Wrong, about what? More and more Americans believe Bush lied to take the country to war, that is a fact. The Bush administration fixed intelligence to try and support their position. Bush invaded and attacked Iraq (and was planning to do this even before he was elected) for the most part because of a personal grudge match. And your "you guys" shows that the majority of Americans are finally seeing this.

[Spider]

Wrong. Look where our intelligence came from Slug and open your eyes a bit about who the real players are in the region and why America was sent to do their dirty work.

I'm beside myself that you guys cannot see that America has been played like a pawn here.
:wiggle: .. I know where you are comming from , and I will throw out hints , but not even I have the Balls to go there , I mean I would if I thought it would do any good , but it wont , so I just let the issue ride ;D ......
Last time I went there , I ended up Calling Sharon a mass murderer ..... it is true , but peoople didnt want to hear it back then ..... Much like the outsourcing argument I had

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I'm convinced that LABF has a pathological hatred for George Bush.

This sort of comment is really the last refuge of those right-wing extremists who still support this corrupt, failed administration, isn't it?

Anyone who presents facts that expose this administration's frauds, follies, and felonies - and who expects accountability - is simply maligned as an unreasonable individual who is gripped by "pathological hatred."

It would be more accurate to say "Bosko has a pathological inability to see George W. Bush and the Republicans for who and what they really are."

People like Bosko are essentially saying "we support GeeDubya no matter what; no matter how great his crimes and his lies to the American people. He may be a crook, but he's our crook."

And then they wonder why everyone else in America doesn't share these sentiments.

[W*GS]

This sort of comment is really the last refuge of those right-wing extremists who still support this corrupt, failed administration, isn't it?

Wrong.

You're an embarassment to legitimate Bush critics, such as myself.

Hint: It has a lot to do with your tone, your so-called "facts", and your relentless smearing of anyone who thinks your takes are more crap than cream. See the above for an example.

You'd rescue yourself from the "pathological hatred" comments if you weren't so over-the-top. But, I've told you that numerous times, and it just hasn't sunk in. I suppose it could be satisfying on some level to blast away, guns a-blazin', but your cause (what was it, anyway?) isn't well-served by that sort of thing.

And no, personal attacks (you're at least as guilty as anyone as engaging in them without provocation) are not reasonable either.

[W*GS]

I'm beside myself that you guys cannot see that America has been played like a pawn here.

Them damned Jews, eh?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/ho-orielly.jpg
"Atta boy, W*GS! Thanks for having our Boy King's back. You're almost as good at deflection as I am."

[Meck77]

No wigs it's more like damn both sides for dragging America into the mess we are in.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

How people, at this point in time with all the empirical evidence we have, which is backed up and supported by the Downing Street Memo, along with the new revelations and additional reports from Britain proving that this nation was LIED into invading Iraq, is now beyond me; unless of course they are ideologues that really believe in American "exceptionalism." That anyone can still support Bush, Cheney and the Republican Bush&Co loyalists that are out to, as they have said themselves, "restructure the entire federal government" is beyond me.

That anyone in this nation can still claim that Bush&Co is/are telling the truth and everyone else is lying; that everyone outside the Bush&Co and it legions of cheerleader squads is just anti-American, disloyal, and unpatriotic or a traitor is something I find absolutely ludicrous! That there are active supporters of those that lied this nation into war, which has resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands, only shows how far this nation has been pulled away from being the nation it was founded to be.

[Meck77]

Anyway, I gotta get to my gig.

L8

So how did your gig go?

[Hotrod]

Them damned Jews, eh?

Why is it that everytime someone has an opinon you dont like you pull the race card???

[W*GS]

No wigs it's more like damn both sides for dragging America into the mess we are in.

OK, so out with it - who are "both sides"?

Jews? Arabs?

Hatfields? McCoys?

Yoda? Darth Vader?

April Lavigne? Hillary Duff?

[W*GS]

Why is it that everytime someone has an opinon you dont like you pull the race card???

I'm shining a light on bigotry and seeing what skitters out.

Too bad you don't like seeing ugliness revealed.

[Hotrod]

I'm shining a light on bigotry and seeing what skitters out.

Too bad you don't like seeing ugliness revealed.


So if someone does not like what another country is doing (China) then they must be racist??? Thats a strong argument there W*gs. ::)

If I were to say "I dont like the way W*gs posts" would I then be racist against mental midgets Ha!

[Spider]

So if someone does not like what another country is doing (China) then they must be racist??? Thats a strong argument there W*gs. ::)

If I were to say "I dont like the way W*gs posts" would I then be racist against mental midgets Ha!
I bet you had your white hood on while posting this .Didnt you ;D

[Hotrod]

I bet you had your white hood on while posting this .Didnt you ;D

I cant stand mental midgets ;D but no my hate hate club against mental midgets wears moose horns on our heads and eye patches ;D

[Spider]

I cant stand mental midgets ;D but no my hate hate club against mental midgets wears moose horns on our heads and eye patches ;D
LOL ....

[Hotrod]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45246

Tom Tancrado has picked up the good fight. If this information is even remotely acurate were in a world of serious ****!

[Spider]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45246

Tom Tancrado has picked up the good fight. If this information is even remotely acurate were in a world of serious ****!
i hate to say this , but we have been under a threat of Nuclear annihilation since the 60's with Russia .... I take this threat serious cause of our borders , but I just hope this guy isnt playing politics for 2006 .......

[Hotrod]

i hate to say this , but we have been under a threat of Nuclear annihilation since the 60's with Russia .... I take this threat serious cause of our borders , but I just hope this guy isnt playing politics for 2006 .......

I dont know if any of it is true but the threat if true is much greater IMO then that of the Russians back in the day because they at least knew we would know exactly where the attack came from and retaliate before the first bomb reached our soil. With the possilbe "small nukes" they could scatter not to mention they are obviously insane. Hard to deal with insane folks take W*gs for example ;D

[Spider]

I dont know if any of it is true but the threat if true is much greater IMO then that of the Russians back in the day because they at least knew we would know exactly where the attack came from and retaliate before the first bomb reached our soil. With the possilbe "small nukes" they could scatter not to mention they are obviously insane. Hard to deal with insane folks take W*gs for example ;D
dirty nukes that fit in a back pack ...... Russian weapon .......... ;D

[Hotrod]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45253

Great now "supposedly" other governments are saying some of this crap is true.

[Spider]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45253

Great now "supposedly" other governments are saying some of this crap is true.
The Fall of Russia still haunts us .......

[Hotrod]

The Fall of Russia still haunts us .......

Could the fall of Russia cause our own destruction. Just food for thought for some of the deep thinkers here ;D

[Spider]

Could the fall of Russia cause our own destruction. Just food for thought for some of the deep thinkers here ;D
the fall itself wont , but the lack of responce to nuclear
proliferation will be ......... Though I kinda doubt the dirty nuke is in America per say , only a few were made and according to the Russians they have been accounted for ..take it for whats its worth ..... But they wieght about 160-170 pounds , so they are not undectible , they would realy wiegh a man down or take 2 to carry ..........

[Hotrod]

the fall itself wont , but the lack of responce to nuclear
proliferation will be ......... Though I kinda doubt the dirty nuke is in America per say , only a few were made and according to the Russians they have been accounted for ..take it for whats its worth ..... But they wieght about 160-170 pounds , so they are not undectible , they would realy wiegh a man down or take 2 to carry ..........

Two men and a van is all it would take. Ive read everything from 50lbs up to 200lbs and they are not dirty they are straight Nukes. Im not trying to sound paranoid and you wont find me losing sleep but it does make you think. How f'ed would we be if say 4 or 5 of these went off in citys. Just a scary thought is all.

[Spider]

Two men and a van is all it would take. Ive read everything from 50lbs up to 200lbs and they are not dirty they are straight Nukes. Im not trying to sound paranoid and you wont find me losing sleep but it does make you think. How f'ed would we be if say 4 or 5 of these went off in citys. Just a scary thought is all.
yep ....all I was meaning it it would be harder to set in a subway ...... bus or plane , one could be set inside of a building with no problem . and 4 or 5 going off in a city would be devestating .......

[Arkie]

LABF's tone is dripping with a pathological hatred for GW. How many insulting nicknames has he gone through the trouble of posting? It distracts from intelligent debates.


It would be more accurate to say "Bosko has a pathological inability to see George W. Bush and the Republicans for who and what they really are."

People like Bosko are essentially saying "we support GeeDubya no matter what; no matter how great his crimes and his lies to the American people. He may be a crook, but he's our crook."


:unamused: It's no use talking with you. I called out both sides.


We are divided because we have people with an emotional attachment to Bush on one side, and a group with blind hatred for Bush on the other.

I also praised both sides.


There are intellegent people on both sides of the division. The fact is we have two or more opposing viewpoints about the reasons for this war. It's bound to be sufficiently complex enough to be beyond the full comprehension of anyone. Both sides raise good arguments. I don't think we will solve anything in this forum. It's similar to Raider fan trying to convince us to become Raider fans. It just ain't gonna happen.

Be careful, LABF. Hatred is a poison, and if you let it, it will destroy you.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Be careful, LABF. Hatred is a poison, and if you let it, it will destroy you.

Your habit of distorting reality and the truth to protect this toxic administration may well destroy you.

We've seen your tactic a million times before: Mischaracterize any presentation of facts which expose BushCo incompetence, impropriety, or criminality (and any expectation of accountability) as mere "hatred."

The majority of Americans aren't buying your kind of spin anymore. Give it up, dude.

[elsid13]

Two men and a van is all it would take. Ive read everything from 50lbs up to 200lbs and they are not dirty they are straight Nukes. Im not trying to sound paranoid and you wont find me losing sleep but it does make you think. How f'ed would we be if say 4 or 5 of these went off in citys. Just a scary thought is all.


Like I said earlier in the post, it is not that easy to get that much of nuclear material or upgrade the raw material into unusable form. A dirty bomb is media scary vs real world scary (unless you right there at the explosion) . IF you want to be afraid of something think more toward chemical weapons, easy to produce, easy to carry and very deadly. Hell anyone that can set up a meth lab can set up a chem. Weapon lab.

[W*GS]

The majority of Americans aren't buying your kind of spin anymore. Give it up, dude.

The vast majority of Americans don't buy your excessive diatribes, either.

It's quite a ways between "I don't approve of the job Bush is doing" and your bile-filled views.

[Hotrod]

The vast majority of Americans don't buy your excessive diatribes, either.

It's quite a ways between "I don't approve of the job Bush is doing" and your bile-filled views.

You two remind me of someone. Oh ya I know who each other only with exact opposite points of view Ha!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The vast majority of Americans don't buy your excessive diatribes, either.

What you call "excessive diatribes," the majority who aren't drinking the Kool-Aid call "the unvarnished truth about Bush and the GOP."

It's quite a ways between "I don't approve of the job Bush is doing" and your bile-filled views.

According to your tediously circular reasoning, any presentation of facts which exposes BushCo incompetence, impropriety, or criminaility is, by definition, a "bile-filled view."

[W*GS]

What you call "excessive diatribes," the majority who aren't drinking the Kool-Aid call "the unvarnished truth about Bush and the GOP."

"[T]he unvarnished truth"? Ha.

Anyone with any sense shouldn't take your pronouncements about anything Bush-ian as any kind of truth - just bile-filled hatred.

According to your tediously circular reasoning, any presentation of facts which exposes BushCo incompetence, impropriety, or criminaility is, by definition, a "bile-filled view."

Your problem, as always, has been that the facts you present are carefully chosen - you've never presented all the facts and let us readers decide. You're no different than the spinmeisters on the Right (and the Left, think Michael Moore) - blather out a half-truth-filled carefully-crafted series of apparent "facts", leading the reader down the path to your pre-ordained conclusion. All the other genuinely relevant information that doesn't support your desired outcome is ignored.

There's always more to the story than you tell.

Why is that?

[Rohirrim]

As far as predicting an attack, isn't that a bit like saying there's going to be an earthquake in LA? Sooner or later, you're going to be right.

[Hotrod]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45313

[Spider]

What in the hell are you guys in Colorado thinking ? Electing this guy ? ......
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3934448,00.html

[Hotrod]

What in the hell are you guys in Colorado thinking ? Electing this guy ? ......
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3934448,00.html

I like him ;D Im all for blowing up their crap if they blow up our crap.

[Spider]

I like him ;D Im all for blowing up their crap if they blow up our crap.
;D ...... well lets hope it doesnt come to that