In hindsight would you reverse THE TRADE??

[PortisFanForever]

Just curious on everyone's opinion a year later if you could do it all over again would you reverse the trade and have Portis back

I know I'm a bit biased, but lets say hypothetically, we waited a year and were able to land a Smoot or Samari Rolle. Would you still trade Portis away for Champ??

I personally am a big Portis fan all the way back to his college days so I really cant give a fair opinion but I personally felt our offense lacked the kind of excitement we enjoyed the past 2 years with Portis. With Portis there were no question marks at RB. We were all able to sit back confident knowing we had one of the best RB in the league. Now we go into the season just like last season.. Will Bell be able to carry the load? Will Mike Anderson be the starter? Will Clarett step up. What are we going to do with Q? I just think it hurts getting rid of such an exciting player so fit for our offense for a CB that in my opinion was a bit overrated last season. Dont get me wrong Champ is def a top 5 CB in the NFL but is it worth it? Wouldnt spending $ on a Smoot or a Rolle this year be just as fine to have kept Portis??

What are your thoughts??

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Nope. Shanahan showed (again) that he can be successful running the ball no matter who was back there. Denver's backup FB averaged more per carry than Portis did last season, and I think they had the same amount of TDs. Another long-term building block was added to the defense to go along with AW and DJ at the expense the position that Denver has been able to fill with the least amount of difficulty in the last decade.

Bell's going to turn this trade into a lopsided deal in Denver's favor this season. Just as fast as CP, but a little bigger.

[Beantown Bronco]

I would not reverse the trade. IMO, Portis wouldn't have gotten us any more victories than we got last season. I liked what Droughns brought to the table in his place: consistency and sustained drives.

Portis was boom or bust. Too many big runs followed up by nothing. Not enough long drives.

Rolle and Smoot are good, but nowhere near Champ IMO.

[Hotrod]

Portis was boom or bust. Too many big runs followed up by nothing. Not enough long drives.

Thats exactly correct. Thats what made TD special IMO he almost always fell forward for a gain of some form. Even when there was nothing there he would somehow find 2,3 & 4 yard gains. Alot of difference between 2nd and 6 or 7 and 2nd and 10 or 11.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Nope - I liked Portis, but he has been replaced and Broncs get pro bowl CB who will show his stuff this year if the DL can hold up.

[RhymesayersDU]

I wouldn't reverse the trade either. I love Portis, I think he was a great talent for us, and he'll be a great RB for the Redskins, especially when they get a passing game to open things up for him.

However, we got a Pro Bowl Cornerback, as well as a 2nd round pick, with which we drafted our RB of the future, Tatum Bell. And hell, we still piled up yards on the ground last year, since we churn out RB's like it was our job here in Denver.

I still think this was a win-win trade for all parties. The Broncos got a defensive upgrade and still have consistent RB production, and the Skins still have a Top-5 defense, and have a major offensive upgrade.

[fontaine]

It entirely depends on Bell. As it is Champ and Portis got similar huge deals and both had subpar seasons.

So the tiebreaker is going to be how Tatum Bell does in our offense.

If he can go for 1000 yards plus with around a dozen TDs then we all know who got the best outta the deal.

[Traveler]

Great trade on our part! Wouldn't reverse it.

I think we already got the better of the trade when we received a 2nd round pick. If Bell becomes as productive as Portis, it's icing on the cake.

[Arkie]

I like Bell better than Portis. He hits the hole fast and only lost yardage once last year.

[Alkazar]

Not a chance in hell. Although I liked his talent, Portis turned into the kind of player I despise. Glad to be rid of him.

[Tredici]

In hindsite would PortisFanForever picked a different moniker?

[Hotrod]

LOL your killing me today ^5

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

LOL your killing me today ^5


Whatever is in her coffee this morning, I want some :)

[epicSocialism4tw]

No way Jose.

Champ is one of a kind, Portis is a dime a dozen.

[Taco John]

Nope. I'm so tired of evaluating this trade. We don't need Portis. We've got plenty of running ability without him. We don't have anything in our secondary without Champ. Get over it already.

[broncosteven]

Nope, Portis has misses too many games. I don't think he has played more than 13-14 games a year. Can't help the team on the bench. Champ has not missed a game & plays hurt. I bet Portis misses 2 games this year.

Like TJ said get over it.

[Garcia Bronco]

Nope..because Portis is an ass clown

[ludo21]

Nope..because Portis is an ass clown

couldnt have said it better myself. Portis has always been the player that i dislike. Too cocky and no respect for his o line that gets him his yards. Bailey had a good year, and could be even better with a pass rush. Im excited to see what happens with him this year, so in short, heck no i wouldnt reverse the trade.

[anthonypacino]

Portis reminded me of Gaston Green, if he had daylight in front of him he was gone, but not much else. His attitude in his last season was horrible! When he was jumping around with that belt on and declaring himself the best running back in NFL history, that set me off, he was not humble and showed no respect for anyone, not the fans, not his teammates, not the dozens of other players who have accomplished more than he has, and not himself (did you see what he wore off the field?) Bailey is overrated IMO, don't get me wrong he is good but they way some people talk about him it's like they can't believe that someone would throw his way, and he is not as quite as humble as most people believe, but I am much happier with Bailey than Portis.

[bloodsunday]

Portis was boom or bust. Too many big runs followed up by nothing. Not enough long drives.
Rep for that. Portis is a great back, but this is far and away my biggest criticism.

[bloodsunday]

I guess I would have to know more about how you would reverse the deal to keep Portis in order to answer intelligently. Portis was a legitimate threat to hold out without a contract extension and there is no way I would have given him $50+ million. In our system he would be run into the ground long before he completed that contract. There is no chance Denver could have moved Portis this season with the glut of running backs on the market. Some of that might even be related to how badly Portis flopped in Washington. Why trade for Edge or Alexander (and give them $50 mil) when you could get a rookie or lower-tier back?

If I could trade him for another player, I suppose I might. That's impossible to speculate because you don't really know what else could have been offered to us.

In the end I would sum up my position like this:
1) We traded one pro bowl player for another
2) We traded one large contract for another
3) We got a player that should have a longer shelf life
4) We got an extra draft pick (a potential star)
5) We got a player at a position that is being taken away by rules

I'd say the trade is a slight-nod in our favor at this point. Champ needs to be more consistent and bring a little more to the table before I consider this a run away deal for us. I also think that Tatum Bell's career impacts the view of this trade.

[Garcia Bronco]

I guess I would have to know more about how you would reverse the deal to keep Portis in order to answer intelligently. Portis was a legitimate threat to hold out without a contract extension and there is no way I would have given him $50+ million. In our system he would be run into the ground long before he completed that contract. There is no chance Denver could have moved Portis this season with the glut of running backs on the market. Some of that might even be related to how badly Portis flopped in Washington. Why trade for Edge or Alexander (and give them $50 mil) when you could get a rookie or lower-tier back?

If I could trade him for another player, I suppose I might. That's impossible to speculate because you don't really know what else could have been offered to us.

In the end I would sum up my position like this:
1) We traded one pro bowl player for another
2) We traded one large contract for another
3) We got a player that should have a longer shelf life
4) We got an extra draft pick (a potential star)
5) We got a player at a position that is being taken away by rules

I'd say the trade is a slight-nod in our favor at this point. Champ needs to be more consistent and bring a little more to the table before I consider this a run away deal for us. I also think that Tatum Bell's career impacts the view of this trade.


Number 5 is the killer.....that's why coach shifted gears this year in FA...we need better d-line to make our seecondary better.

[PortisFanForever]

Dont get me wrong.. If Bell becomes a stud we made out huge but to say the Broncos can churn out Portis type numbers at will, is still to be seen. Droughns was okay but for example Droughns carried 275 times for 1240 yards and 6 TDS. Portis in 2002 carried 273 times for 1508 yards and 15TDS. Big difference.

I think Bell has the potential to be great but who of you are confident enough to say right here right now that is Bell is healthy enough to carry the ball 275 times next season he will top Portis's 1500+ yards and 15 TDS??

Anyone ready to say thats a gaurentee?? If so I would be the first person to come on next season and admit I was 100% wrong and an idiot.
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[Jetmeck]

Nope..because Portis is an ass clown


Bottom line____________ LOL . What he said !

[epicSocialism4tw]

Dont get me wrong.. If Bell becomes a stud we made out huge but to say the Broncos can churn out Portis type numbers at will, is still to be seen. Droughns was okay but for example Droughns carried 275 times for 1240 yards and 6 TDS. Portis in 2002 carried 273 times for 1508 yards and 15TDS. Big difference.

I think Bell has the potential to be great but who of you are confident enough to say right here right now that is Bell is healthy enough to carry the ball 275 times next season he will top Portis's 1500+ yards and 15 TDS??

Anyone ready to say thats a gaurentee?? If so I would be the first person to come on next season and admit I was 100% wrong and an idiot.
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He doesn't have to top 1500 yards and 15 TD's. This isn't fantasy football. If Bell even becomes a serviceable runner who plays well here for a couple of years, you have to say that the trade was a huge success for Denver.

Denver got an elite corner (a position of extreme need at the time that was immediately upgraded considerably) and Bell for Portis. If Bell has a huge season, then you can say that Denver not only made out with an advantage, but pillaged Washington.

[Jason in LA]

No way. I was tired of Portis' style. I don't care for 195 lb. backs who get stuffed all the time. Sure, he was explosive, and a big play waiting to happen. But the offense stalled while waiting for that big play. He racked up a lot of yards, but they weren't effective yards. The Bears game two years ago is the pefect example. 160 yards, but 120 of them were on two carries, and it led to 10 points. He had great stats, highlight runs, but was very ineffective. RD may not have gotten as many yards, but he was way more effective than Portis. He didn't have the big plays, but he helped them keep long drives going. The Broncos scored the same amount of points each of the past two seasons. Put RD in there for the first four games and they probably score more points than they did in '03. I'll take Bell over both of them. He's nearly as fast as Portis (Portis ran a 4.28, Bell a 4.34). He's nearly as big as RD. Bell looks to play around 215 lbs. RD was around 220 lbs. TD played around 215 lbs. Bell should be a good mix of power and speed, like TD. I'll take that over Portis any day.

[Atlas]

I like the trade also. Champ and Watts for Portis, how can anyone not like that.

If one backs starts at the begining of the season and plays every game he will have more yards than Portis, It doesn't matter if it's Bell, Clarret or Santonio Beard. I don't think Denver used Bailey wisely last year everything was too predictable. I think Denver will mix it up more on Defense this year moving Bailey around a bit.

[Rohirrim]

Nope

[epicSocialism4tw]

No way. I was tired of Portis' style. I don't care for 195 lb. backs who get stuffed all the time. Sure, he was explosive, and a big play waiting to happen. But the offense stalled while waiting for that big play. He racked up a lot of yards, but they weren't effective yards. The Bears game two years ago is the pefect example. 160 yards, but 120 of them were on two carries, and it led to 10 points. He had great stats, highlight runs, but was very ineffective. RD may not have gotten as many yards, but he was way more effective than Portis. He didn't have the big plays, but he helped them keep long drives going. The Broncos scored the same amount of points each of the past two seasons. Put RD in there for the first four games and they probably score more points than they did in '03. I'll take Bell over both of them. He's nearly as fast as Portis (Portis ran a 4.28, Bell a 4.34). He's nearly as big as RD. Bell looks to play around 215 lbs. RD was around 220 lbs. TD played around 215 lbs. Bell should be a good mix of power and speed, like TD. I'll take that over Portis any day.

Rep. Good breakdown.

[Tredici]

Dont get me wrong.. If Bell becomes a stud we made out huge but to say the Broncos can churn out Portis type numbers at will, is still to be seen. Droughns was okay but for example Droughns carried 275 times for 1240 yards and 6 TDS. Portis in 2002 carried 273 times for 1508 yards and 15TDS. Big difference.

I think Bell has the potential to be great but who of you are confident enough to say right here right now that is Bell is healthy enough to carry the ball 275 times next season he will top Portis's 1500+ yards and 15 TDS??

Anyone ready to say thats a gaurentee?? If so I would be the first person to come on next season and admit I was 100% wrong and an idiot.
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Yeah. I'm still impressed by how many of those TDs came at the expense of a Kansas City defense. Not to mention a final game of the season where Arizona basically phoned it in.

Still don't see why people make such a big deal out of his stats. Thank God the Redskins did.

[Kaylore]

No.

[sirhcyennek81]

Portis is explosive, and as others have stated, a big play threat. But, Denver has a history of getting yards out of any back, but cannot find the premier corner for the defense. they got that, and still got a 1200 yard rusher. win win. Watts and Bell doesnt hurt, either.

[Clockwork Orange]

No chance.

The Broncos got 100 yard rushing games out of 3 different players last year and 1200+ from their converted fullback. Injuries or not, the Broncos running game was still productive.

Had Champ not been there a year ago, the secondary would have been a disaster. Walls was out for the majority of the year. Middlebrooks was in and out of the lineup. We all saw what happened when they were forced to rely on Roc Alexander. Combine that with the lack of pass rush and it would have been ugly.

They can keep Portis, we'll keep Champ & Bell.

[MT-Tdawg]

No

[Pezman]

If we are asking this very minute, I would say no, and suspect the vast majority of Bronco fans would as well. But, to be fair, both players were in the midst of new teams last year and neither exactly performed at the level they were expected to play.

Check back mid-season this year with this question and I have a feeling we could make a better judgement call.

[Ballhawk]

Champ is elite, period. Yes he had a down year along with just about every other corner. His was magnified by the contract he received. Looking at the other things he brings he may be the best run supporting corner in the league as well.

I think Coyer will utilize him better this year and with a better pass rush he may have his best year yet.

I still think we should have thrown in the second, look at what Alexander and James got this year.

[Hogan11]

Not to sound like Mock or anything but.....

Reverse the trade?? You're kidding me right??

I'm done with this thread. ;D

[SoCalBronco]

Not to sound like Mock or anything but.....

Reverse the trade?? You're kidding me right??

I'm done with this thread. ;D

If your in Fava, just say Flava. ;)

[Florida_Bronco]

Portis reminds me alot of Randy Moss for reasons already stated...

- Big play threat
- Not that solid in the clutch or big games
- Pile on lots of yards or big plays in blowouts or against bad teams

That is all.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

- Pile on lots of yards or big plays in blowouts or against bad teams


559 yards and 10 TDs against KC in 4 games. That works out to over 10% of rushing yards (4400+ total) and almost a third of his rushing TDs (34 total).

[bpc]

I wouldn't switch the trade. Just imagine now if we DIDN'T have Champ to cover Moss. Bailey is also a good matchup vs. Gates and Gonzo.

I loved the way Portis ran the rock but its proven that we can find another runner. I think Bell is going to be even better.

[DivineLegion]

I like Bell better than Portis. He hits the hole fast and only lost yardage once last year.

...Once???

Not to sure about that one I know it was more then once.

[Dean]

I guess my age is showing but when I see "In hindsight would you reverse THE TRADE" I am thinking Chris Hinton for Elway. I'll still take Elway.

In respect to the most recent THE TRADE, to get Bailey and Bell for Portis is a felony. We out and out robbed the Redskins. :wiggle:

[FADERPROOF]

Not a chance in hell would I do that trade over.

We robbed the Redskins blind, and it set us up with good trade partners to rob them blind again this year.

[Jason in LA]

I guess it's settled. We all want Champ over Portis.

[IHaveALight]

No chance.

The Broncos got 100 yard rushing games out of 3 different players last year and 1200+ from their converted fullback. Injuries or not, the Broncos running game was still productive.

Had Champ not been there a year ago, the secondary would have been a disaster. Walls was out for the majority of the year. Middlebrooks was in and out of the lineup. We all saw what happened when they were forced to rely on Roc Alexander. Combine that with the lack of pass rush and it would have been ugly.

They can keep Portis, we'll keep Champ & Bell.

This sums it all up right here. Rep

[IHaveALight]

I know I'm a bit biased, but lets say hypothetically, we waited a year and were able to land a Smoot or Samari Rolle. Would you still trade Portis away for Champ??

What are your thoughts??

Had we kept and paid Portis, we wouldn't be able to afford any corner even close to Champ this year.

It would just be stupid for the Broncos to tie up all that money into 1,500 yard back when they can get 1,200 out of a fullback. Don't get me wrong I like Portis a lot and still wish him well. But for the Broncos it just didn't make any sense at all to pay him.

[Cito Pelon]

Haha. Last year at time of trade, the only reason people were ready to get rid of Portis was he was a clown. And after people saw that Bailey got a bigger contract than Portis was asking for, there were even more questins about The Trade.

Let's not forget it was a huge, huge, gamble at time of trade. The anointed successor was Q, remember???

I didn't think too much of the trade at the time, mostly because CP was a good red-zone back, and he was clicking with the OL pretty good as the year wore on. The guy was a 20-25 TD/yr back in Denver's O.

After a year, the trade didn't help Den much. It wasn't a disaster for Den. But, Bell hasn't proven jack so far. Neither has Bailey. It's nice to have Bailey, but guess what? Bailey is going to have to restructure next year to sign the 2 #1's. Let's see if he will do that. It's not like he has a tiny ego and is willing to restructure. He didn't restructure this year, did he?

Getting the #2 was a good deal, but again, let's see how Bailey handles the latter years of his huge, huge contract. If he isn't willing to restructure, it's going to hurt the team next year. And let's see if he actually is a difference maker on D this year. He wasn't last year. He didn't earn that huge contract last year.

Bell's a guy that has talent, but it's going to be the same story with him as with Portis - if he has a good year, either the team give him big bucks, or he's gonna demand it. Any top-notch back does that, 'cause they know they have to get $$$$$ quick. Rb's don't last long in the NFL.

[DBroncos4life]

I’m disinclined to acquiesce to your request.