Best player in MLB?

[Clockwork Orange]

Always an interesting topic for discussion, who is the best player in Major League Baseball?

I want to say Pujols, a case could certainly be made that he's the best hitter in the game. But how can you not take Vlad Guerrero into consideration? The guy can hit any pitch you throw for power & average and has a cannon for an arm in right field. Then there's guys like A-Rod & Tejada as well.

Tough call. Who's your choice?

[yavoon]

dontrelle willis, like mini ruth! he can pitch and hit!

[Atlas]

I would have to say A-Rod. Hell, he won league MVP on a last place Rangers team.

[TheManeMan]

If we are talking about the best player in baseball currently, I'd have to say Derek Lee...guy is putting up some sick stats...

As for best player these past few years, I'd have to agree with you CO and say either Pujols or Vlad man...

Bobby Abreu and Carlos Beltran are also '5 tool' players...that should have honorable mention...

[yavoon]

If we are talking about the best player in baseball currently, I'd have to say Derek Lee...guy is putting up some sick stats...

As for best player these past few years, I'd have to agree with you CO and say either Pujols or Vlad man...

Bobby Abreu and Carlos Beltran are also '5 tool' players...that should have honorable mention...

some tools are more important than others

[Atlas]

If we are talking about the best player in baseball currently, I'd have to say Derek Lee...guy is putting up some sick stats...

As for best player these past few years, I'd have to agree with you CO and say either Pujols or Vlad man...

Bobby Abreu and Carlos Beltran are also '5 tool' players...that should have honorable mention...
He asked who is the best player in baseball. I can't think of anyone I would rather have on my team than A-Rod

[TheManeMan]

I'd mention A-Rod but, I feel homerish saying that being a Yankees fan...but, honestly I'd take Pujols or Vlad over Alex on the Yanks...

[Clockwork Orange]

I'm an admitted Pujols homer, but Vlad is just a bad, bad man on a baseball field.

[DBroncos4life]

Bobby Abreu.

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You can make a strong case for ARod, Pujols or Vlad. Nice to see people mentioning Abreu's name, though. I think Miguel Cabrera will soon be in that class, too.

Looks like Josh Beckett is headed back to the DL for the millionth time. Not blisters, a left oblique strain this time.

[rbackfactory80]

Vlad Vlad Vlad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Broncoman13]

Beltran's numbers are off right now, and he's never been a high avg batter... that being said he's in the top 5. Pujols 4... defense slightly lacking. Abreu 3. A-Rod 2... same since being moved to 3rd. #1 is easily Vlad. He jacks homers from his shoe tops, has one of the strongest arms I've ever seen and can hit for avg on top of that.

Honorable mentions go out to Derrick Lee, Miguel Cabrera, and Miguel Tejada. If Manny could field he'd be a top 3 and perhaps #1 easily. Same with guys like Soriano and Ortiz.



Hey Slappy, while we're on the subject of baseball... do you think UF's LaPorta is going to be a stud MLB player or not? It's hard to tell with these kids now-a-days. The only sure fire guys I can remember or think of in the past few years is Mark Prior and maybe to a lesser degree Lance Berkman. I thought he would be a solid MLB player but wasn't for sure. LaPorta looks pretty comfortable at the plate and can hit the ball out in similar ways to Vlad. Only a soph too!

[RaiderH8r]

Pujols but A-Rod gives a run for the money in this category. I hate the Yankees and that whole ordeal over A-Rod not being a real Yankee stuck in my craw. Vlad Guerrero is good too. I give definite maybes to all. But right now if you asked me who I want today to plug into my squad, I take Pujols.

[Broncoman13]

See if I had my choice of who I'd want to stick in my squad I'd have to go with Beltran. Dude can field as well or better than Tori Hunter. He can hit for avg though that later comes in the 2nd half of the season. He hits for power. He has speed on the base path. Other reasons: He's a middle fielder. He's come up big in the post-season. He has an above average arm. And finally, he has the persona to be a fan favorite wherever he goes. He puts people in the seats. Think of a Vlad Guerrero who can field better with speed on the base paths... not to mention he plays a more important position on the field. If Beltran wasn't struggling in the early part of this season he'd be up there amongst the tops in the game again.

[FADERPROOF]

I gotta go with Pujols, plays anywhere on the field, is unselfish as can be, hits for power and average, the heart of that deadly STL lineup.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Jimmy Edmonds...

[NaptownChief]

Albert is the best with the bat in his hands but ARod is the best all around player. Still has the wheels to snag bags if he needs to and excellent with the glove which is not the case with Albert. Being a top notch SS and being able to make the move to being a top notch 3B just adds to his greatness. Impaller is right there with him in terms of talent but durability alone sets ARod nicely ahead of him.

I'm not a big fan but Manny Ramirez isn't far behind these guys..That guy has been a great, great hitter for a lot of years now and plays hard.

[RaiderH8r]

Albert is the best with the bat in his hands but ARod is the best all around player. Still has the wheels to snag bags if he needs to and excellent with the glove which is not the case with Albert. Being a top notch SS and being able to make the move to being a top notch 3B just adds to his greatness. Impaller is right there with him in terms of talent but durability alone sets ARod nicely ahead of him.

I'm not a big fan but Manny Ramirez isn't far behind these guys..That guy has been a great, great hitter for a lot of years now and plays hard.
I think top knotch 1st basemen are tougher to come by than SS. Granted A-Rod is an exceptional player which makes the choice difficult. But I don't know that there is a single 1st baseman in the league that comes close to what Pujols has done since he entered the league. A-Rod is a fine player, but I can find a serviceable .285/20HR SS easier than I can find a .330/40HR 1B. Best all around, probably A-Rod. Pick a player for my team, I go Pujols.

[anthonypacino]

Wow that is such a hard question to answer. So many different things to consider, Vladimer Gurrero came to mind first, Manny Rameriez is AWESOME with runners on base, Ichiro can get on base so many ways, Pujols can play infield or out, and hits like Ron Artest! But in my humble opinion the best all-around player, leadership, attitude, heart, hitting, can learn and play anywhere, smart, sacrificing...Craig Biggio.

[Hogan11]

Vlad Guerrero gets my vote. I've never seen a better arm in all my life.....it used to be cool watching him in Montreal when he showed off his arm strength, the whole crowd used to go "OOOOoooooooo" and with good reason. (No attendance jokes please, afterall there's no need to beat a dead horse)

[dbroncos31]

amazing that five years ago Ken griffey Jr was "easily" going to break Aaron's record. I miss the old Griffey. And the Young A-rod, like in '98 when he hit 42 homers and had 45-46 SB. just plain sick nasty. but then he sold out. the bastard.

[Broncoman13]

I think top knotch 1st basemen are tougher to come by than SS. Granted A-Rod is an exceptional player which makes the choice difficult. But I don't know that there is a single 1st baseman in the league that comes close to what Pujols has done since he entered the league. A-Rod is a fine player, but I can find a serviceable .285/20HR SS easier than I can find a .330/40HR 1B. Best all around, probably A-Rod. Pick a player for my team, I go Pujols.



A-Rod isn't nearly as good at 3B as he was at SS.

Pujols isn't nearly as good a fielder as people make him out to be. Afterall, playing 1B can be greatly effected by the infielders around him. Considering that he's had gold glove and all-star catchers, 3rd baseman, SS's, and pitchers is proof in the pudding. Scott Rolen is probably the best fielding 3rd basemen the game has seen in the past 20 years. Rentinera was no Ozzie, but he was an all-star caliber SS. Now they have Dave Eckstein. Oh, and when Pujols plays in the field, his fielding pct. drops from around .995 to the .940 range. That is a BIG drop off. He is a great hitter and will likely be a HOFer one day, but it won't be b/c of his glove. And don't make the mistake in thinking you can find a 25 HR SS easier than a 40 HR 1st baseman. Notice that you dropped the batting avg down quite a bit. Take a look at A-Rods or Tejada's MVP seasons and look at their avg and power #'s, then consider the importance of the position. I'd take a power hitting, gold-glove caliber middle infielder or Center Fielder over a 50 homer solid 1st basemen anyday. People under estimate the importance of the middle infield in today's game. Too much emphasis put on the long ball. Solid middle infield and Centerfielders will win more games than a 50 homerun 1st basemen. The Cards just happened to surround themselves with the right influx of talent. They have a very strong middle infield... defensively. But they give up a little offensively in that area. But, they have guys like Rolen, Walker, and Pujols to lift that burden.

[Arkie]

I'm a Cardinals homer, so I have to go with Pujols. He's one of the few players ahead of Hank Aaron's HR pace.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Nobody thinks this guy is???



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[Bob's your Information Minister]

Ichiro. He could hit 40 homers if he wanted to, he just doesn't want to. He has everything else. EVERYTHING.

God damn he hit .372 last year. HOLY ****!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Vlad Guerrero gets my vote. I've never seen a better arm in all my life.....it used to be cool watching him in Montreal when he showed off his arm strength, the whole crowd used to go "OOOOoooooooo" and with good reason. (No attendance jokes please, afterall there's no need to beat a dead horse)

Dude, I saw him live in Texas one evening. We were sitting in RF just above his spot...he lasered one to third base...it was like watching a Greek God. Dude is a freak.

[elsid13]

It VLAD at this point all the tools. Homer in me say Jason Varitek. The best catcher in the game

[Bob's your Information Minister]

It VLAD at this point all the tools. Homer in me say Jason Varitek. The best catcher in the game

Are you nuts? Pudge Rodriguez is still the best in the game and the best since Johnny Bench.

[elsid13]

Are you nuts? Pudge Rodriguez is still the best in the game and the best since Johnny Bench.


No I not nuts, Pudge is great catcher, but Varitek brings better offense to the table, is aswitch hitter, calls a beatiful game, blocks the plate like a wall, pitchers thinks he is best and is one of the few players in the storied history of the Red Sox to wear the Red C on his uniform.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

No I not nuts, Pudge is great catcher, but Varitek brings better offense to the table, is aswitch hitter, calls a beatiful game, blocks the plate like a wall, pitchers thinks he is best and is one of the few players in the storied history of the Red Sox to wear the Red C on his uniform.

Truly you are nuts. Varitek has never hit over .300 and has hit 20+ homers only twice. Pudge has hit .300 or better 9 times and has 255 career home runs.

Varitek can't touch Pudge throwing out baserunners, either.

[Breck Bronc]

Are you nuts? Pudge Rodriguez is still the best in the game and the best since Johnny Bench.Pudge is not the best catcher in baseball anymore. Jason Varitek is having a much better season than Pudge, who's on pace to have his worst season in a decade.

It's a joke that Ivan Rodriguez is participating in the HR Derby. He's got 5 dingers and has never been a big home run hitter. If Puerto Rico needed a representative they should have let Carlos Delgado participate even though he didn't make the team, just like Raffy Palmeiro last year.

As far as the best player, I don't think there's a definative #1 out of the ARod, Vlad, Abreu, Pujols group. ARod would be the easy choice for #1 had he stayed at SS and Jeter moved to 3rd, like it should have been. SS is the most important defensive position on the field and he played that very well to go along with his excellent offensive ability. It's much easier to find a good hitting 1B than SS. I don't know where that came from.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Pudge is not the best catcher in baseball anymore. Jason Varitek is having a much better season than Pudge, who's on pace to have his worst season in a decade.

Right now Varitek has 5 more RBI and 16 more points in .BA. I wouldn't say that's "much better."

Pudge still owns him in the runners thrown out department, too. ;D

[Clockwork Orange]

Dude, I saw him live in Texas one evening. We were sitting in RF just above his spot...he lasered one to third base...it was like watching a Greek God. Dude is a freak.

No joke. I saw him throw out a runner at 3rd from about a step shy of the warning track at Coors once.....and the throw made it to the 3rd baseman on the fly, no hops at all. It was ridiculous. I was pissed that a Rockies player had just been gunned down on an impossible throw, but I was in awe of the throw itself. Simply amazing.

[ludo21]

Pujols is my choice, mainly caz hes not just a great athlete, but an even better person. A close 2nd is A-rod, and for my homer its gotta be tori hunter.

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Hey Slappy, while we're on the subject of baseball... do you think UF's LaPorta is going to be a stud MLB player or not? It's hard to tell with these kids now-a-days. The only sure fire guys I can remember or think of in the past few years is Mark Prior and maybe to a lesser degree Lance Berkman. I thought he would be a solid MLB player but wasn't for sure. LaPorta looks pretty comfortable at the plate and can hit the ball out in similar ways to Vlad. Only a soph too!

You want to talk to BroncoLB52 or BreckBronc. They follow amateur baseball way more closely.

[-Slap-]

As far as the best player, I don't think there's a definative #1 out of the ARod, Vlad, Abreu, Pujols group. ARod would be the easy choice for #1 had he stayed at SS and Jeter moved to 3rd, like it should have been. SS is the most important defensive position on the field and he played that very well to go along with his excellent offensive ability. It's much easier to find a good hitting 1B than SS. I don't know where that came from.

Ironically ARod, a two-time Gold Glove winner at shortstop, has struggled a bit defensively at third base this season.

His season averages, going into 2005:

Avg .305 R 122 HR 42 RBI 119 SB 22

[DB-Freak]

Vlad............... A fricking beast.

Probably the most gifted baseball player in a while.

MVP? I dont know.

[Breck Bronc]

Right now Varitek has 5 more RBI and 16 more points in .BA. I wouldn't say that's "much better."

Pudge still owns him in the runners thrown out department, too. ;DRBI depends so much on what the hitters in front of you do that it isn't a good stat to look at when comparing players.

Varitek has 8 more homers in 38 less at-bats, as well as 65 points in on-base % and 85 points in slugging %. Varitek is clearly outhitting Rodriguez by a wide margin so far this season.

Pudge will own most catchers when it comes to throwing out runners. That's probably the only facet of the game right now where he is better than Varitek. And I hate Jason Varitek, so it's not like I'm homering up here.

[Rock Chalk]

Always an interesting topic for discussion, who is the best player in Major League Baseball?

I want to say Pujols, a case could certainly be made that he's the best hitter in the game. But how can you not take Vlad Guerrero into consideration? The guy can hit any pitch you throw for power & average and has a cannon for an arm in right field. Then there's guys like A-Rod & Tejada as well.

Tough call. Who's your choice?
Roger Clemens.

Or did you just want hitters?

[Clockwork Orange]

Roger Clemens.

Or did you just want hitters?

You can throw a pitcher in there if you like. It's an open discussion.

[Play2win]

D-LEE

I don't know if he is the best player in the game...

I just think D-LEE is a GOD!!!

Gold Glove. .377 Average (#1 in majors). 25 Homeruns (#2). 67 rbi's(#6). 26 Doubles (#2). 66 Runs (#2). 116 Hits (#1). 221 Total Bases (#1). .449 OBP (#1). .718 Slugging % (#1).

He's even got 10 Stolen Bases (#26 in Majors).

He's #1 in the MAJORS in Average, Hits, Total Bases, On Base Percentage, and Slugging Percentage.


This with a slightly Bum shoulder over the last week or so, that has dropped his stats alittle (especially his average).

This with the stellar tandum of KKKKorey Patterson and Neifi Perez setting the plate for D-LEE. The two leadoff hitters before him in the batting order are the bottom of the barrel when it comes to getting on base. .232 and .269 batting averages. An On Base Percentage of .270 and .295. Are you Kidding me?!?

The Cubs Leadoff and #2 guy don't even have an On Base Percentage that Breaks the .300 mark.

I can't tell you how many times I have seen D-LEE up there, either leading off an inning, or up there with two outs, or up there with two outs and THE BASES EMPTY!!

I just wreck my brain with how many RBIs Lee would have if we had even an average leadoff guy.

Dusty Baker just kills me, lets put the two lowest OBP guys we got (starting) at the very top of our order, right before the guy thats hitting every thing in sight, to all areas of the field, with all kinds of power.

Despite Dusty, D-LEE is still the man.

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[Hogan11]

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Ollie's gotta control that temper of his......his busting his toe with that kick of frustrating contributed to the Pirates free fall and he knows it.

I still love the guy's ability but a stunt like that which gave a body blow to the entire team just after it reached .500 really makes you shake your head.

[FADERPROOF]

Ollie's gotta control that temper of his......his busting his toe with that kick of frustrating contributed to the Pirates free fall and he knows it.

I still love the guy's ability but a stunt like that which gave a body blow to the entire team just after it reached .500 really makes you shake your head.
I havent been following baseball much considering it's July and the Dodgrs are already out of playoff contention, how is Oliver doing with his control this year?

Last year he looked to have all the goods of a solid #1 starter, but would always work the count high and would have to get pull in the 5th or 6th due to a his high pitch count(young kid, dont want to ruin his arm throwing 115 pitches.) Just wondering if he's gotten better control of the strike zone and is putting hitters away while ahead in the count this year, compared to last year at least.

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I havent been following baseball much considering it's July and the Dodgrs are already out of playoff contention, how is Oliver doing with his control this year?

Last year he looked to have all the goods of a solid #1 starter, but would always work the count high and would have to get pull in the 5th or 6th due to a his high pitch count(young kid, dont want to ruin his arm throwing 115 pitches.) Just wondering if he's gotten better control of the strike zone and is putting hitters away while ahead in the count this year, compared to last year at least.

He regressed big time. He had some shoulder stiffness in spring training and it was just the first sign of a lost season. His control wasn't the only problem, though. He was a lot more hittable when he was around home plate, too.

I think the final straw was early in the season. Probably his fifth start, after looking bad to horrible in his first four outings he put together a really nice game against Houston, but McClendon tried to get him through the eighth inning and left him in the game for over 120 pitches. The last dozen pitches had nothing on them and whispers of Ollie hiding an arm injury started up shortly afterwards. That's why I was shaking my head a little when McClendon left Zach Duke out there for 112 pitches tonight in only his second major league game.

[RocBronc]

Gotta give some love to Tejada... Not only for what he does on the field but off the field as well. He's the unquestioned leader on the O's and just a does a fantastic job leading the team. He's also got the longest games played streak (by far) at a tough position (SS).

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Gonzo's walkoff homer wins it for the D-Backs!

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!Booya!

[-Slap-]

What a surprise. Another young player completely regresses and flops under Dusty Baker.

Cubs send struggling OF Patterson to minors

Atlanta, GA (Sports Network) - The Chicago Cubs, who have lost eight straight games, optioned outfielder Corey Patterson to Triple-A Iowa after being swept in a doubleheader in Atlanta on Thursday.

Patterson is hitting .232 with 11 homers and 24 RBI this season with an on- base percentage of just .270. Last season, the 25-year-old hit .266 with career highs of 24 homers, 33 doubles, 72 runs batted in and 32 stolen bases.

Patterson was the third overall pick of the 1998 draft and made his major league debut in 2000.

Outfielder Jason Dubois was also optioned to Iowa after Thursday's doubleheader and the contracts of outfielders Adam Greenberg and Matt Murton were purchased from Class AA West Tennessee of the Southern League.

When will people realize Dusty's only talent as a manager was his willingness to fellate B*rry B*nds 24 hours a day.

[RaiderH8r]

Ichiro. He could hit 40 homers if he wanted to, he just doesn't want to. He has everything else. EVERYTHING.

God damn he hit .372 last year. HOLY ****!
One of the very few times I think you can have an undisputable claim in a discussion of this nature, but Ichiro has the best bat control in the history of the game and is probably the toughest out. Right now he's the best leadoff hitter and a solid outfielder with a good arm. Not a Vlad arm, but he's in the top part of the class. As leadoff hitters go it's Ichiro and Pierre. Dream lineup time:

1: Smoltz-he can get lit up but he's tough as nails and gets the job done in crunch time.
2: Veritek-Just playing better than Pudge right now, but great in the clubhouse, you need those guys
3: Pujols. That's it, period end of story
4: Giles: I need a gritty midget on the team.
5: Larry Jones Jr.: Nobody better when he's healthy
6: A-Rod: Jeter can take a leap, A-Rod makes triumphant return to SS
7: Ichiro: Had to do it, he has to be on the club for leadoff and Vlad is taking space in right
8: Andruw Jones: Tearing up the league right now and the best fielding CF in the game. He doesn't dive as much as Edmonds because he gets to the ball A LOT better
9: Vlad...just try to tag up...I dare you.

Closer: Right now....I hate to say...Chad Cordero is playing out of his mind....he stays if it holds out. Otherwise...Trevor Hoffman.

DH: I don't believe in the DH. DH is for pussies. You take the field you swing the bat.

Discuss.

[RaiderH8r]

What a surprise. Another young player completely regresses and flops under Dusty Baker. When will people realize Dusty's only talent as a manager was his willingness to fellate B*rry B*nds 24 hours a day.
Cream and the clear....cream and the clear.

[Play2win]

What a surprise. Another young player completely regresses and flops under Dusty Baker.



When will people realize Dusty's only talent as a manager was his willingness to fellate B*rry B*nds 24 hours a day.

Its the best news I heard in a long time. Korry Patterson has just become pathetic this year. This needed to happen a month ago...

Dusty is a joke. Remember "Dusty's Dice" graphic. ;D

He puts two guys at the top of our order that UNDER a .300 OBP!!! zowie!

They also happen to have the lowest OBP in the starting lineup. Thats brilliant Dusty, put the two guy that DON'T get on base at the TOP of our order. Blows my mind.

I actually think the 7 game losing streak is worth it, if it sends Korry down to the minors. It would especially be worth it, if it gets Dusty Fired. There is talk...

Fire Dusty (http://www.firedustybaker.com/nucleus/)

[TheManeMan]

One of the very few times I think you can have an undisputable claim in a discussion of this nature, but Ichiro has the best bat control in the history of the game and is probably the toughest out. Right now he's the best leadoff hitter and a solid outfielder with a good arm. Not a Vlad arm, but he's in the top part of the class. As leadoff hitters go it's Ichiro and Pierre. Dream lineup time:

1: Smoltz-he can get lit up but he's tough as nails and gets the job done in crunch time.
2: Veritek-Just playing better than Pudge right now, but great in the clubhouse, you need those guys
3: Pujols. That's it, period end of story
4: Giles: I need a gritty midget on the team.
5: Larry Jones Jr.: Nobody better when he's healthy
6: A-Rod: Jeter can take a leap, A-Rod makes triumphant return to SS
7: Ichiro: Had to do it, he has to be on the club for leadoff and Vlad is taking space in right
8: Andruw Jones: Tearing up the league right now and the best fielding CF in the game. He doesn't dive as much as Edmonds because he gets to the ball A LOT better
9: Vlad...just try to tag up...I dare you.

Closer: Right now....I hate to say...Chad Cordero is playing out of his mind....he stays if it holds out. Otherwise...Trevor Hoffman.

DH: I don't believe in the DH. DH is for pussies. You take the field you swing the bat.

Discuss.

Do I smell a Braves fan?

[MajikMan7]

Is anybody else looking forward to watching Carlos Lee win the Home Run Derby on Monday.

[RaiderH8r]

Do I smell a Braves fan?
Giles give it away?

[NaptownChief]

Giles give it away?


Maybe it was the part about 4 out of 9 being Braves that tipped the hand a bit.

[RaiderH8r]

Maybe it was the part about 4 out of 9 being Braves that tipped the hand a bit.
Smoltz is a gamer, Chipper is a perennial All-Star, and Andruw is a great glove with a bat on fire lately...Giles...just plain gritty midget.

[TheManeMan]

Giles give it away?


The fact that you had Larry Jones Jr...There arent too many people (non-Braves fans) that would call him that...

[RaiderH8r]

The fact that you had Larry Jones Jr...There arent too many people (non-Braves fans) that would call him that...
Ah...gotchya. I picked Giles as a homer, but the rest I tried to be pretty fair on. Defendable choices if you will.

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Wagner SS
Mays CF
Williams LF
Ruth RF
Schmidt 3B
Gehrig 1B
Hornsby 2B
Bench C

[Clockwork Orange]

Wagner SS
Mays CF
Williams LF
Ruth RF
Schmidt 3B
Gehrig 1B
Hornsby 2B
Bench C

Who's on the mound for you?

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Who's on the mound for you?

I was afraid you would ask.

I'll go with Walter Johnson, Bob Feller, Sandy Koufax, Tom Seaver and Warren Spahn.

[Pendejo]

What a surprise. Another young player completely regresses and flops under Dusty Baker.



When will people realize Dusty's only talent as a manager was his willingness to fellate B*rry B*nds 24 hours a day.

Right. The Cubs should give Patterson to the Madres, and they should do it now.

[DBroncos4life]

I was afraid you would ask.

I'll go with Walter Johnson, Bob Feller, Sandy Koufax, Tom Seaver and Warren Spahn.


Only person that I would add to would be Ryan.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Can my homeboy Mike Young get some love in this thread? My Texas Rangers shortstop got into the all-star game for the second straight year. Dude is hitting .334 with 14 HR and 47 RBI and he's LEADING OFF. Can you imagine the ribby's this guy would put up batting cleanup? Dude is nails on defense, too. Converterd from second base with almost zero problems.

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Can my homeboy Mike Young get some love in this thread? My Texas Rangers shortstop got into the all-star game for the second straight year. Dude is hitting .334 with 14 HR and 47 RBI and he's LEADING OFF. Can you imagine the ribby's this guy would put up batting cleanup? Dude is nails on defense, too. Converterd from second base with almost zero problems.

I hate to ever agree with Knob, but I was about to suggest that Michael Young might be the most underrated player in baseball.

[TheManeMan]

I was afraid you would ask.

I'll go with Walter Johnson, Bob Feller, Sandy Koufax, Tom Seaver and Warren Spahn.

No love for Bob Gibson?

http://www.onlinecsa.com/bob_gibson_010504.jpg

Dude had 28 complete games in one season...:saywhat:

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No love for Bob Gibson?

http://www.onlinecsa.com/bob_gibson_010504.jpg

Dude had 28 complete games in one season...:saywhat:

Got Gibby with Ryan, Lefty, the Unit and Maddux on my second team.

[DBroncos4life]

I was afraid you would ask.

I'll go with Walter Johnson, Bob Feller, Sandy Koufax, Tom Seaver and Warren Spahn.


My hill would have Dizzy Dean, Koufax, Ryan, Cy Young, Spahn, and Satchel Paige.

I'm not sure about all my fielders but Josh Gibson would be my Catcher thats for sure.
C Josh Gibson
1st Lou Gehrig
2nd Rod Carew
SS Honus Wagner
3rd Mike Schmidt
CF Willie Mays
RF Babe Ruth
LF Hank Aaron Even though its not his spot.

[FADERPROOF]

My hill would have Dizzy Dean, Koufax, Ryan, Cy Young, Spahn, and Satchel Paige.

I'm not sure about all my fielders but Josh Gibson would be my Catcher thats for sure.
C Josh Gibson
1st Lou Gehrig
2nd Rod Carew
SS Honus Wagner
3rd Mike Schmidt
CF Willie Mays
RF Babe Ruth
LF Hank Aaron Even though its not his spot.

Good lsit, but Gibson over Bench at catcher?

[Breck Bronc]

1. LF - Rickey Henderson - Greatest leadoff hitter of all-time. He had speed, power, and most importantly, was always on base.

2. SS - Honus Wagner - And it's not even close. ARod might have approached him if the Yankees had made the right choice and kept Rodriguez at short instead of Jeter.

3. DH - Ted Williams - Yes, it blasphemous to have a DH in an all-time lineup, but I had to get my two favorite historic players into this; Rickey and Teddy Ballgame. Who'd rather watch a pitcher hit anyway? Other than Babe Ruth, of course.

4. RF - Babe Ruth - Duh.

5. 1B - Lou Gehrig - Imagine the RBI totals.

6. CF - Mickey Mantle - By a hair over Willie Mays. At their best, Mantle was better, and in this hypothetical everyone is at their best and never suffered the kind of injuries the Mick did.

7. 3B - Mike Schmidt - Arguably the two best 3B of all-time, Schmidt and George Brett, were taken back-to-back in the 1971 second round.

8. C - Mike Piazza - When you're catching the greatest pitchers of all-time there aren't going to be many baserunners to throw out, so I'll go with the best hitting catcher.

9. 2B - Joe Morgan - Rogers Hornsby, Eddie Collins and Morgan are by far the best second baseman ever, and I'll go with Little Joe.

SP - Pedro Martinez - Walter Johnson should be here, but I want to see Pedro and the Babe on the same team. Give me the Pedro between '97 and '03 and you have Koufax-like numbers in a much more difficult era and pitching environment.

[DBroncos4life]

Good lsit, but Gibson over Bench at catcher?


Oh yeah Gibson was a monster at the plate (not that I have seen him play or anything) but I thought I would just go another way with it. I'm sure many would take Bench over Gibson so I went against the norm there.

[Disco Man]

Derrek Lee MVP, the Cubs would be no where near 500 withiut him this year.

[Play2win]

Derrek Lee MVP, the Cubs would be no where near 500 withiut him this year.

After a bum Shoulder forced him to rest a couple of days, D-LEE has back to back games with a homerun.

BTW- Today's HR was opposite field. 4 RBIs. can anybody say Tripple Crown?!? AND can a MAN get enough at bats?!? Go ahead tally up a couple more walks to the D-LEE!!

[Disco Man]

Yep I was watching the game today and saw the blast he hit to the opposite field. Harry would have been going crazy.

[Play2win]

The GOD watch

er, I mean The D-LEE watch...

AVERAGE .378 First in the Majors
Home Runs 27 (shared for First in the Majors)
RBIs 72 (Second in the NL- 2 behind)

2 RBIs from the TRIPLE CROWN!!!!