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SoCalBronco
07-03-2005, 06:58 PM
Which player are you most interested in seeing/reading about perform at the upcoming minicamp?

ozomulsion
07-03-2005, 07:08 PM
Other: Dominique Foxworth

I'm really intrigued by this kid.

DBroncos4life
07-03-2005, 07:26 PM
Tyson Clabo. I want to see if he can push for playing time on the line.

DBroncos4life
07-03-2005, 07:32 PM
Hunt is another one I want to see if can push for playing time. I like the fact that he is a DT now. Also he did very well blocking kicks. Something we could hella use!!

Hercules Rockefeller
07-03-2005, 07:37 PM
Don't care, there's no hitting. All that's going to come of this is articles about how Clarett was faster/quicker (whatever the SI guy said) than one of the fastest linebackers in the league. Something that means jack until the linebacker is actually trying to knock Clarett on his ass.

I just hope no one gets hurt.

Mediator12
07-03-2005, 07:39 PM
Hunt is another one I want to see if can push for playing time. I like the fact that he is a DT now. Also he did very well blocking kicks. Something we could hella use!!

Hunt was only a DT in Europe. He is going to have to be a DE here. He is going to need a superior camp to even sit out on sundays.

Crushaholic
07-03-2005, 07:40 PM
For as much grief as people have been giving Warren ever since we acquired him, I'm anxious to see if he brings it or not.

Sir Mawn
07-03-2005, 07:41 PM
Trevor Pryce. KEY.

SpringStein
07-03-2005, 07:43 PM
Trevor Pryce. KEY.

Yep. Will be intersting to know where he is on the road to recovery.

SoCalBronco
07-03-2005, 07:44 PM
Is the public allowed to attend this camp? I hope we have alot of Maners send us reports straight from the Valley.

Mediator12
07-03-2005, 07:47 PM
OL with Clabo, Sewell, Myers, Spikes, and Clement trying to get the system. BTW, it may Only be a misprint, but Clabo is listed as a guard. I would really like to see him and Foster on the right side of the line this year.

Bronco9798
07-03-2005, 07:53 PM
A healthy Courtney Brown and a motivated Gerard Warren!!

DBroncos4life
07-03-2005, 07:55 PM
Hunt was only a DT in Europe. He is going to have to be a DE here. He is going to need a superior camp to even sit out on sundays.


Thats kind of BS. I think he would have good quickness for a DT. Both Clabo and Clement seem tall for a RG but they would be a upgrade. I really hope all four of the Oline guys you brought up make the team.

DB-Freak
07-03-2005, 07:55 PM
Don't care, there's no hitting. All that's going to come of this is articles about how Clarett was faster/quicker (whatever the SI guy said) than one of the fastest linebackers in the league. Something that means jack until the linebacker is actually trying to knock Clarett on his ass.

I just hope no one gets hurt.
Agreed.

Mediator12
07-03-2005, 07:58 PM
Thats kind of BS. I think he would have good quickness for a DT. Both Clabo and Clement seem tall for a RG but they would be a upgrade. I really hope all four of the Oline guys you brought up make the team.

DB, Hunt is 265 and change. I know Denver uses lighter DT's but 265 and change is about 25-30 lbs too light even for Coyer.

DBroncos4life
07-03-2005, 08:01 PM
DB, Hunt is 265 and change. I know Denver uses lighter DT's but 265 and change is about 25-30 lbs too light even for Coyer.


I thought maybe he bulked up from college and thats why he was at DT. He was such a talented player in college it would be so nice if drafting him paid off even if it is the second time around.

Kaylore
07-03-2005, 08:08 PM
I'd like to hear about quite a few. All the rookies, but particularly the corners Williams, Paymah, Foxworth and Browner. Darius Watts and if his ball catching drills are translating into success. The Browncos. Lelie and if he can go across the middle. Chad Friehauf. Tyson Clabo and Chris Myers....quite a few.

And to answer your question SoCal, I think its for media only, and only part of the time at that.

Hercules Rockefeller
07-03-2005, 08:10 PM
Is the public allowed to attend this camp?

They haven't in the past and there's been nothing mentioned about it yet if they've changed their policy.

SoCalBronco
07-03-2005, 08:32 PM
thanks Khan and Herc. At least with some partial media access we might finally get some worthwhile DPO and RMN articles.

watermock
07-03-2005, 08:36 PM
This is a no brainer. Big Mo. The media is going to follow this kid like stink on skunk. or that other term. Our Pig punter might get a glance, but if he stays out of trouble, ala Jano (drugging himself), he shouldn't be an issue.

The rest of the team will be fairly invisible. There will be a couple "can Jake steer clear of interceptions" articles, but they won't be mainstream.

The east coast media will be happy

Don't expect anything earthbreaking out of Burgur Bill Williamson. I cut him some slack when he got here, but not, he's so worthless it's amusing. I mean, if anyone could give a food review, it would be him. It's a sneaking suspicion, but I can't imagine a bowl of dogfood he could resist. Crap in Crap out.

He probably doesn't even know this site exists yet. If he did, he could at least write something that hasn't been hashed over here a dozen times. I kinda feel bad, it's like kicking the special ed kid, but sheesh, there are 20 at least posters here that could bring at least SOME flavor to the table.

Wabbit (identiy unknow) hops around Dove Valley and at least smells things out at Hitler's Bunker. I don't know if Burger Bill even knows where Dove Valley is.

baja
07-03-2005, 09:15 PM
I remember all the whining about schefter - we didn't know how good we had it all we had to do was get past the food reviews and get some good Bronco insites.

SoCalBronco
07-03-2005, 10:36 PM
I remember all the whining about schefter - we didn't know how good we had it all we had to do was get past the food reviews and get some good Bronco insites.

I dunno Baja. Just cause one is alot worse of a douche than the other douche doesnt mean we had it good.

Atlas
07-03-2005, 10:49 PM
I'll have an eye on Bell. I want to see some 60 yard TD runs again!

Bronco9798
07-03-2005, 10:52 PM
I'll have an eye on Bell. I want to see some 60 yard TD runs again!

Just hope he hangs on to the ball before he crosses the goal line. Yikes!

Kaylore
07-03-2005, 10:53 PM
Just hope he hangs on to the ball before he crosses the goal line. Yikes!
Or Catches it when Jake lobs it five yards.

Taco John
07-03-2005, 11:06 PM
I remember all the whining about schefter - we didn't know how good we had it all we had to do was get past the food reviews and get some good Bronco insites.



I never really got much out of Schefter's mail bag. The questions that usually got selected were from fans who don't pay attention to the daily details, so it seemed like review to me. The food reviews were just text I skipped...

Taco John
07-03-2005, 11:06 PM
OH by the way... I selected "Other"


Lenny Walls.

Cito Pelon
07-03-2005, 11:29 PM
Lelie and if he can go across the middle.

Why do I continually hear about "Lelie, can he go across the middle"? Didn't you watch the games last year?

Lelie ran a lot of slants, that's in the middle of the field.

Cito Pelon
07-03-2005, 11:35 PM
This is a no brainer. Big Mo. The media is going to follow this kid like stink on skunk..

Last I heard, Big Mo was at 245. He won't make it past the first cut at that weight. Too many other good TB's on the roster, so the media can flock to the next flavor of the day.

clarker
07-03-2005, 11:36 PM
Why do I continually hear about "Lelie, can he go across the middle"? Didn't you watch the games last year?

Lelie ran a lot of slants, that's in the middle of the field.I agree. Plus he is the best deep threat the Broncos have, you have send him deep most of the time. Just sending him on side line route down the field, opens things up for Rod, the WR and TE's over underneath.

Cito Pelon
07-03-2005, 11:37 PM
I dunno Baja. Just cause one is alot worse of a douche than the other douche doesnt mean we had it good.

Shefter didn't come up with anything besides what was on the Official site, no big loss.

Cito Pelon
07-03-2005, 11:41 PM
OH by the way... I selected "Other"


Lenny Walls.

Yeah, definitely.

I'm curious to see if the coaching staff can put together a smooth passing game. Haven't seen one for years. Won't know about that until late August.

Atlas
07-03-2005, 11:45 PM
I never really got much out of Schefter's mail bag. The questions that usually got selected were from fans who don't pay attention to the daily details, so it seemed like review to me. The food reviews were just text I skipped...

I agree I hated Schefter. I really don't even know the difference between Schefter's and Fatboy's columns except for the fact that Fatboy doesn't have a stupid food review in his. The only reason Schefter had one is so that he could get free meals around town. What a dipsh_t!!! WHy would the Post let him include that garbage?

Kaylore
07-03-2005, 11:48 PM
Why do I continually hear about "Lelie, can he go across the middle"? Didn't you watch the games last year?

Lelie ran a lot of slants, that's in the middle of the field.
He mostly ran deep routes. He needs to be more diversified. He said himself that toward the end of the season corners played off him quite a bit and shut him down. If he can be a threat in the short quick routes, he'll be a complete package and that will open things up for us in a number of respects.

clarker
07-03-2005, 11:49 PM
Yeah, definitely.

I'm curious to see if the coaching staff can put together a smooth passing game. Haven't seen one for years. Won't know about that until late August. What do you mean by a smooth passing game. If you mean one without INT's, that is not going to happen. Jake has to gut down his picks, hopefully in half. But even if he cut it down by 5-6 and limit how many he throws in the 4th quarter that would help. If he cut 5 of them last year he would have had 27TD's and 15 INT's. That is pretty good.

If you mean a smooth passing game as in a productive one, then I would say they had that last year. 27 TD's and over 4,000 yards passing is pretty productive.

Atlas
07-03-2005, 11:53 PM
What do you mean by a smooth passing game. If you mean one without INT's, that is not going to happen. Jake has to gut down his picks, hopefully in half. But even if he cut it down by 5-6 and limit how many he throws in the 4th quarter that would help. If he cut 5 of them last year he would have had 27TD's and 15 INT's. That is pretty good.

If you mean a smooth passing game as in a productive one, then I would say they had that last year. 27 TD's and over 4,000 yards passing is pretty productive.

Yeah I agree. 27 and 15 would be a good year for Jake

Cito Pelon
07-04-2005, 12:02 AM
I agree. Plus he is the best deep threat the Broncos have, you have send him deep most of the time. Just sending him on side line route down the field, opens things up for Rod, the WR and TE's over underneath.

Lelie could make any roster in the league. The Broncs are lucky to have him. Watts I think the same.

For some reason the Broncs can't put a smooth passing attack in place. The coaching staff has a lot to prove this year, both O and D.

The pass-blocking was decent if not spectacular last year, but they weren't quite good enough to provide consistent passing lanes for Plummer. And at 6'2, the guy needs a passing lane over the guards.

I still think ShanaKubiak have the idea that they're going to fit their players to the passing O, instead of fitting their passing O to the players they have. They get giddy about what may be possible, instead of doing what actually is possible. It's fine to think SB everyt year, but you have to win a playoff game first.

We'll see. i can see the passing O they envision could be an ass-kicker, but if you don't have the personnel, you have to win by adjusting your strategy to work on gameday. You can't win on wishes.

clarker
07-04-2005, 12:03 AM
Yeah I agree. 27 and 15 would be a good year for JakeThat is really pretty good for anyone. Since in Denver we compare every QB to Elway(fair or not) then those stats would be only five picks worse than Elway's best TD to INT ratio of 27 TD's to 10 INT's.

But I agree for Jake, I would say that 27-15 is THE BEST case you could hope for.

Cito Pelon
07-04-2005, 12:06 AM
I agree I hated Schefter. I really don't even know the difference between Schefter's and Fatboy's columns except for the fact that Fatboy doesn't have a stupid food review in his. The only reason Schefter had one is so that he could get free meals around town. What a dipsh_t!!! WHy would the Post let him include that garbage?

Pretty good scam. Got free meals galore, then leave town. A hobo that can write. One step above the guys that used to circulate around Denver painting house numbers on steps for a meal.

DBroncos4life
07-04-2005, 12:09 AM
Lelie could make any roster in the league. The Broncs are lucky to have him. Watts I think the same.

For some reason the Broncs can't put a smooth passing attack in place. The coaching staff has a lot to prove this year, both O and D.

The pass-blocking was decent if not spectacular last year, but they weren't quite good enough to provide consistent passing lanes for Plummer. And at 6'2, the guy needs a passing lane over the guards.

I still think ShanaKubiak have the idea that they're going to fit their players to the passing O, instead of fitting their passing O to the players they have. They get giddy about what may be possible, instead of doing what actually is possible. It's fine to think SB everyt year, but you have to win a playoff game first.


We'll see. i can see the passing O they envision could be an ass-kicker, but if you don't have the personnel, you have to win by adjusting your strategy to work on gameday. You can't win on wishes.


I think thats why we got bigger guys to fight for the RG job, the only problem Plummer may not be able to see over Clabo or Clement. As far as everything else goes I agree. We have the weapons on O we just have to find away to score. Having a return game worth a grain of salt will only help things. I don't want to see fair catches inside the twenty unless we have too. Smith would waive his arm up pretty much everytime he was back there and I really can't blame him for not wanting to get hit. Putz, Smith, Lelie, Watts, Rice, and a guy that I think is over looked in Alexander gives Plummer every chance to prove himself as THE QB for the rest of his career.

Cito Pelon
07-04-2005, 12:21 AM
He mostly ran deep routes. He needs to be more diversified. He said himself that toward the end of the season corners played off him quite a bit and shut him down. If he can be a threat in the short quick routes, he'll be a complete package and that will open things up for us in a number of respects.

He ran a lot of different routes. What stood out was him catching long balls. He's a complete receiver, but the Denver O couldn't get the ball to any receiver consistently.

The passing O generated a lot of yds and TD's, but it wasn't smooth or pretty. Lelie had what 9 TD's, and most of them were not designed plays. 2 TD's came from Kyle Johnson at FB. Putzier was able to come up with 3 because safeties had no idea he was that fast. Hape had 3 on "nintendo" plays from inside the 10. That's 17 td's out of 27 that you can't expect every year.

The Bronc passing game has to get more smooth more consistent. It was pretty hit and miss last year.

Cito Pelon
07-04-2005, 12:29 AM
What do you mean by a smooth passing game. If you mean one without INT's, that is not going to happen. Jake has to gut down his picks, hopefully in half. But even if he cut it down by 5-6 and limit how many he throws in the 4th quarter that would help. If he cut 5 of them last year he would have had 27TD's and 15 INT's. That is pretty good.

If you mean a smooth passing game as in a productive one, then I would say they had that last year. 27 TD's and over 4,000 yards passing is pretty productive.

There was a lot of times the Broncs came out on their first possession last year in 4-5 WR sets, then went three and out, or made one first down, then three and out. The Bronc staff was challenged by the smart D's to win with their passing game, and the Broncs couldn't do it.

When the Broncs emphasized the passing game, they struggled to win, if they won. The passing game put up good numbers, but there were few times the passing game actually looked smooth.

I think they'll be better this year. The coaching staff knows they have to be, and they're not quitters or slouches.

clarker
07-04-2005, 12:31 AM
He ran a lot of different routes. What stood out was him catching long balls. He's a complete receiver, but the Denver O couldn't get the ball to any receiver consistently.

The passing O generated a lot of yds and TD's, but it wasn't smooth or pretty. Lelie had what 9 TD's, and most of them were not designed plays. 2 TD's came from Kyle Johnson at FB. Putzier was able to come up with 3 because safeties had no idea he was that fast. Hape had 3 on "nintendo" plays from inside the 10. That's 17 td's out of 27 that you can't expect every year.

The Bronc passing game has to get more smooth more consistent. It was pretty hit and miss last year.Just because Jake was running on some of the TD's to Lelie doesn't mean they were not designed. It is called a planned roll out.

In the West Coast offense TD's from Full Backs are expected. In fact you could argue that a FB in a West Coast offense just getting two is something UNexpected. Tom Rathman is a good example.

Just because safteties didn't know how fast Putzier was doesn't mean they were designed to take advantage of that. Don't you think Shanny did the same thing with Ed McCaffrey, who wa faster than what most DB's gave him credit for.

I think what made the passing game inconsistent last year was not the design of the passing game, but Jake's decision making skills, or lack there of.

Cito Pelon
07-04-2005, 12:33 AM
That is really pretty good for anyone. Since in Denver we compare every QB to Elway(fair or not) then those stats would be only five picks worse than Elway's best TD to INT ratio of 27 TD's to 10 INT's.

But I agree for Jake, I would say that 27-15 is THE BEST case you could hope for.

Plummer's a gamer. The coaching staff has to be a little more nimble on gameday. There was too many times last year the play came in late. I saw some live playcalls coming into the huddle last year, and they were so freaking long and drawn out, realistically there was no way that play was going to run smoothly before the playclock ran out.

clarker
07-04-2005, 12:38 AM
Plummer's a gamer. The coaching staff has to be a little more nimble on gameday. There was too many times last year the play came in late. I saw some live playcalls coming into the huddle last year, and they were so freaking long and drawn out, realistically there was no way that play was going to run smoothly before the playclock ran out.Jake is a gamer, but there times when he could learn how to live to fight another day.

There were alot of times where he could have ran for a 8-10 yard gain or for a first down on 3rd and 6 and he chucks it down the field 40 yards into double, hell sometimes triple coverage to Rod or Ashley. Sure Lelie came up with some great catches, but more often then not they ended up as picks, when they could have been at least another first down.

Cito Pelon
07-04-2005, 12:41 AM
I think thats why we got bigger guys to fight for the RG job, the only problem Plummer may not be able to see over Clabo or Clement. As far as everything else goes I agree. We have the weapons on O we just have to find away to score. Having a return game worth a grain of salt will only help things. I don't want to see fair catches inside the twenty unless we have too. Smith would waive his arm up pretty much everytime he was back there and I really can't blame him for not wanting to get hit. Putz, Smith, Lelie, Watts, Rice, and a guy that I think is over looked in Alexander gives Plummer every chance to prove himself as THE QB for the rest of his career.

There's lot to be optimistic about this year. First off, I think this may be the best coaching staff Den has had since 1998. Second, this may be the fastest D Den has ever had. Third, I think the team is going to be more mentally-tough this year.

clarker
07-04-2005, 12:45 AM
There's lot to be optimistic about this year. First off, I think this may be the best coaching staff Den has had since 1998. Second, this may be the fastest D Den has ever had. Third, I think the team is going to be more mentally-tough this year.They have to come out and play with fire every week. Seems like they get on a role and start believing the media hype and then suck for a while until the media bashes them and they have a good game or two.

That might not have anything to do with it. They almost always say they don't read the papers or watch TV, but when they win, they talk about how no one gave them respect. Well, if they don't read the papers or watch TV how would they know.

Cito Pelon
07-04-2005, 01:00 AM
Just because Jake was running on some of the TD's to Lelie doesn't mean they were not designed. It is called a planned roll out.

In the West Coast offense TD's from Full Backs are expected. In fact you could argue that a FB in a West Coast offense just getting two is something UNexpected. Tom Rathman is a good example.

Just because safteties didn't know how fast Putzier was doesn't mean they were designed to take advantage of that. Don't you think Shanny did the same thing with Ed McCaffrey, who wa faster than what most DB's gave him credit for.

I think what made the passing game inconsistent last year was not the design of the passing game, but Jake's decision making skills, or lack there of.

I never liked the idea of a planned roll-out, and lelie's TD's cam off of scrambles, not the "planned roll-out." Maybe 2 of his TD's came off of stop-and-go's. Putzier did get lucky outrunning safeties - the D's will be watching for that this year. And that's good. The O staff has to use that to their advantage.

I don't think the O staff did a very good job strategy-wise on gameday last year. I think they'll do a better job this year on gameday. I think Shanny is pissed off mightily by the O struggles of the past few years.

Shanny has to get more consistency out of Plummer. It's up to the coaching staff to do that. Everybody said that including Shanny when he signed him. They tried to do that last year with the planned roll-out. This year they have more weapons for Plummer.

Dayne is an excellent pass-catcher, apparently so is Johnson. Rice can't hurt the passing O. The WR's are almost always open. The O-line has to get some passing lanes, and Plummer has to get rid of the ball faster. A lot of that is coaching. We'll see. I'm looking forward to see how they do.

Cito Pelon
07-04-2005, 01:07 AM
Jake is a gamer, but there times when he could learn how to live to fight another day.

There were alot of times where he could have ran for a 8-10 yard gain or for a first down on 3rd and 6 and he chucks it down the field 40 yards into double, hell sometimes triple coverage to Rod or Ashley. Sure Lelie came up with some great catches, but more often then not they ended up as picks, when they could have been at least another first down.

Plummer didn't run much last year at all. I thought that really hurt the O last year down the stretch. Jake looked a little bit like a rookie in the system last year, and a lot of that had to do with the added complexity the staff added last year. This year I think Plummer will be just a little more consistent, the staff will be a little more consistent, the ST's will be a little more consistent, the D will be a little more consistent, and voila, the team will go into the playoffs with more confidence and take ity from there.

Cito Pelon
07-04-2005, 01:14 AM
They have to come out and play with fire every week. Seems like they get on a role and start believing the media hype and then suck for a while until the media bashes them and they have a good game or two.

Agreed, the fire they came out with at kickoff last year didn't last too long many times. I don't blame the players much. The D coaching staff turned out to be dysfunctional. They needed the D to be consistent last year, and it wasn't after game 4-5.

I think the D coaching staff is going to be solid this year.

fontaine
07-04-2005, 04:33 AM
II don't think the O staff did a very good job strategy-wise on gameday last year. I think they'll do a better job this year on gameday. I think Shanny is pissed off mightily by the O struggles of the past few years.

What would you have done differently?

Playcalling is only as good as the players executing it. Rod was our only consistent target. Sharpe was gone, Putz was off the field because his blocking was suspect in red zone, Watts was a rook and I don't care what anyone says, Lelie got shut down repeatedly in the red zone.

Like it or not, the playcalling last year resulted in record breaking yardage on offense, so yes they were doing something right. This team was fifth in the league in yards per game just ten yards behind the Colts.

Our playcalling was fine, it was the lack of talent in the red zone that hampered us. With Sharpe/Portis, those two combined for 22 TDs. Last year our TE/RB combined for just 10. I know it's simplistic but that's where we lost our Red Zone production.

It's like saying if the chefs lost their top two scoring players in Holmes/Gonzo in the offseason. Would anyone in their right mind expect the ketchup and mustard brigade to be as effective in the red zone?

watermock
07-04-2005, 05:24 AM
We have half a dozen to watch.

We have to see if our pocket rocket can run with the big boys. I hope Champ takes him under his wing. He's a possible Green. Or a bust. Someone send a steak to Champ and tell him to keep his head up, you can send me the bill. Just the two steaks, not the worms.

The Browncos. We have been under total ridicule from day one. I have never seen the national media set themselves up so bad EVER. It's one thing to spend 63 million on Bailey, it's quite another to cop the whole front four of cleveland for what amounts to the first number, 6,

Then we have a draft pick noone seems to notice. We will just fly under the radar with that. Has anyone except in Broncoland noticed we get that pick? Every draft repose dosn't even mention it.

We have Courtney Brown, and he just might be coming back, if he can't make it, he's cut. We have Pryce back. If he can't make it, he's cut. Our big problem was we lost Walls, Middlebrooks and Herndon in the playoffs.

Roc Alexander was raped like his first tour of Vegas. We were down to our 5th corner.

Bob's your Information Minister
07-04-2005, 06:02 AM
Kendrell Bell's health.

Any sign of improvement out of Kawika Mitchell.

Derrick Johnson showing what he's made of.

ANYTHING out of Ryan Sims.

Samie Parker showing he can start, hopefully.

Surtain reminding us what a DB that can cover looks like.

Broncoman13
07-04-2005, 06:23 AM
Which player are you most interested in seeing/reading about perform at the upcoming minicamp?


Dude, I swear I clicked about 6 different circles before finally settling on one player. In other words, just about all of em! I've also mentioned before that I'm very interested in Sauerbrun. If his leg is what we're all expecting, we will likely win atleast one game this season based on his abilities alone! Not bad considering he's a punter!

As for the poll, I ended up settling on CourtDog Brown. Being a JoePA and PennSt fan I've got to pull for him!

baja
07-04-2005, 06:28 AM
I never really got much out of Schefter's mail bag. The questions that usually got selected were from fans who don't pay attention to the daily details, so it seemed like review to me. The food reviews were just text I skipped...

I never liked the mailbag much either, seemed if you did not suck up to him in your question it never got published but I thought his articles were usally good and he had many a scoop on the Broncos.

elsid13
07-04-2005, 06:34 AM
The player to watch, like always is the QB, Plummer. Hopefully he fully understands the systems and Shanny knows how to control and channel Plummer efforts to victories.

orinjkrush
07-04-2005, 07:32 AM
i picked the unconventional choice. our number one pick. i want to see if we blew that one or not.

TotallyScrewed
07-04-2005, 08:25 AM
I need the "all of the above" category and then I'd add to it.

I have to agree with Cito Pelon, Plummer didn't run as much as he could have and picked up the first down and eliminated the INT. BUT I think that is a coaching error not a Plummer mistake. The year before Plummer ran wild and smoked a number of defenses but once he was hurt, the team suffered under the back-up scenario. Two things have changed, I hope. One, the back-ups are better now that Beuerline has retired. Danny, like him or not, is getting the much needed reps and the back-ups to him are better than J. Jackson. In other words, they're depth behind the starter is better (notice, I didn't say great). Two, the coaching staff has (hopefully) learned that Plummer running is a big part of his success. It opens up his vision of the field. He's a weapon in the open with his legs. Injuries can and do happen; that's just part of the game. Plummer needs to be smart about getting down and I think he does a good job of it.

Harken back to the year before last...

The shoulder injury was a fluke. He wasn't landed on by a big slob, he just landed on the elbow in a twisting motion...fluke.

The toe injury, IMHO, was a result of an extremely tough hit that Jake took in the pocket a week earlier (against KC???); where he was hit from multiple angles and got the leg hung-up. He limped off the field but played the next series. I really think that was when the injury occurred and showed up later. Again, JMHO.

Jake is a gamer and a big part of his game is running.

I also gotta agree with Fontaine. Jake had ONE go to guy last year: R. Smith. Jake tried everything to get him the ball including some very bad decisions/passes. I thought that Lelie finally had the light go on. I expect him to really step up his game this year and catch everything including the come-back routes. Watts needs to make that turn this year or it's possible that Rice will be coming in for him in bunches.

Finally, a healthy Bell is a must. A full training camp. A year older/wiser and so on. Bell needs to prove that he is the MAN and can be durable. He supposedly has added 10 pounds and maintained the speed...so that's goodness. I wish Watts similar weight gaining success.

The D and ST are better...maybe a LOT better.

Bronco9798
07-04-2005, 08:35 AM
I need the "all of the above" category and then I'd add to it.

I have to agree with Cito Pelon, Plummer didn't run as much as he could have and picked up the first down and eliminated the INT. BUT I think that is a coaching error not a Plummer mistake. The year before Plummer ran wild and smoked a number of defenses but once he was hurt, the team suffered under the back-up scenario. Two things have changed, I hope. One, the back-ups are better now that Beuerline has retired. Danny, like him or not, is getting the much needed reps and the back-ups to him are better than J. Jackson. In other words, they're depth behind the starter is better (notice, I didn't say great). Two, the coaching staff has (hopefully) learned that Plummer running is a big part of his success. It opens up his vision of the field. He's a weapon in the open with his legs. Injuries can and do happen; that's just part of the game. Plummer needs to be smart about getting down and I think he does a good job of it.

Harken back to the year before last...

The shoulder injury was a fluke. He wasn't landed on by a big slob, he just landed on the elbow in a twisting motion...fluke.

The toe injury, IMHO, was a result of an extremely tough hit that Jake took in the pocket a week earlier (against KC???); where he was hit from multiple angles and got the leg hung-up. He limped off the field but played the next series. I really think that was when the injury occurred and showed up later. Again, JMHO.

Jake is a gamer and a big part of his game is running.

I also gotta agree with Fontaine. Jake had ONE go to guy last year: R. Smith. Jake tried everything to get him the ball including some very bad decisions/passes. I thought that Lelie finally had the light go on. I expect him to really step up his game this year and catch everything including the come-back routes. Watts needs to make that turn this year or it's possible that Rice will be coming in for him in bunches.

Finally, a healthy Bell is a must. A full training camp. A year older/wiser and so on. Bell needs to prove that he is the MAN and can be durable. He supposedly has added 10 pounds and maintained the speed...so that's goodness. I wish Watts similar weight gaining success.

The D and ST are better...maybe a LOT better.

Don't I know you from somewhere else?? lol..... Uhh ;)

ØrangeÇrush
07-04-2005, 10:03 AM
I'm going with watts. I'd like to go with C. Brown, but its his first full minicamp after his injury. He's probably won't look as sharp as he can be, plus a foot injury takes a long time to come back from, even after its healed. I guess the problem with Watts was that he'd show up during practice and than make a boneheaded mistake during the game. Just show us some consistency. Thats another win if he catches the ball in the raiders game.

Paladin
07-04-2005, 10:23 AM
I am going with "All of the Above." there is no doubt that the Broncos made a significatn effort to change the DL. I really don't care what th e"National Media" have to say about it, and the Chievie fans can go phuc themselves over the deals. Getting th eNumber 1 from the 'Skins was a great move. The Broncos did improve the ST play, particularly the kicking game. Pryce coming back adds to a justification for a bit of optimism for this years' D.

The Oline and Bell will capture my attention. I am not paying much attention to MoC because he doesn't count until he's made the team. Might be trade bait, maybe to Cleveland or Cinnci? I also am interested in whether the TE groups is going to produce a leading TE, or just what the rotation will be. The BB player/TE (I forget his name!) might be intriguing since he sounded as thought he were a pretty good athlete with some smarts.

Unfortunately, the min-camp will not showcase much. In three weeks the big camp starts, and that is when we will get "real" stuff, mostly, I think, from local TV, not the printed media so much. But there should be some stuff.

Waiting impatiently.

-Slap-
07-04-2005, 10:26 AM
I want to see Tatum Bell walk into the facility like he owns the place. If he's as good as Shanahan believes, we going to make some noise.

Rascal
07-04-2005, 10:49 AM
Interested in several things:

Bell...needs to step up.
Lelie...needs to continue to progress
Watts...needs to add some weight and be more consistent in catching the ball
O-line...somebody needs to step up at guard
Putzier...show us he is worth that contract
Stevens...stay healthy and help at TE

Courtney...stay healtlhy PLEASE!
Warren...play with determination
Pryce....be at least 80% of his former self
DJ...able to play Sam
Walls...healthy
Fergy....can he pick up the slack?
rookies...must step up in nickel and dime situations...not to mention ST's.

We have a lot of question marks on this team.

DivineLegion
07-04-2005, 11:20 AM
Other- DJ Williams, Last year was only a glimpse and from what we have seen we know we have the next best OLB in the NFL for the next 12 years...Move over Over boys a new King is in town.

Second- D. Foxworth...could be something special a great pick up if Lenny dosent improve then he could be our Fred Smoot...

Ninjafied
07-04-2005, 11:51 AM
The single most interesting point for me is the pass-rush – as in, will we have one this year.
Unfortunately it’ll take more than the first mini-camp to answer that question. In the mean time I’m watching the Dline and hoping nobody gets hurt.

lookin' glass
07-04-2005, 11:51 AM
Clinton Portis. Break a leg kid! C'mon #1 o.a. for '06!

Mr. Trout
07-04-2005, 12:05 PM
Karl Paymah and Dominique Foxworth..I think we might have a couple good ones in these two.

DivineLegion
07-04-2005, 12:10 PM
Our secondary is gonna be weak this year...the only spot we know is solid is our #1 Corner...Lynch is old, Fergy can play but to what level ???, Lenny is still a ? and needs more development, the rest are either rookies or beat up. Our safteys suck this year realy Lynch is abour out of time and we have one of our second chance fill players starting at the other spot. If Lenny dosent live up to the potential of a contract year player then we have a rookie in that #2 Corner spot and that means unless our D-line looks realy realy realy realy realy realy solid we are in for a long year. We are gonna be solid v.s. the run but our secondary is a match head waiting to be lit...


-Edit- Camp my show us wether or not Roc Alexander is for real, because if that kid shows that he is no longer Peytons bitch then we could have the fastest CBs in the NFL with Roc, Champ, Foxy, and Williams.

SoCalBronco
07-04-2005, 12:12 PM
Dude, I swear I clicked about 6 different circles before finally settling on one player. In other words, just about all of em! I've also mentioned before that I'm very interested in Sauerbrun. If his leg is what we're all expecting, we will likely win atleast one game this season based on his abilities alone! Not bad considering he's a punter!

As for the poll, I ended up settling on CourtDog Brown. Being a JoePA and PennSt fan I've got to pull for him!

I was going to include Sauerbrun in the poll but i read somewhere he wont be at the minicamp.

Ninjafied
07-04-2005, 12:13 PM
Our secondary is gonna be weak this year...the only spot we know is solid is our #1 Corner...Lynch is old, Fergy can play but to what level ???, Lenny is still a ? and needs more development, the rest are either rookies or beat up. Our safteys suck this year realy Lynch is abour out of time and we have one of our second chance fill players starting at the other spot. If Lenny dosent live up to the potential of a contract year player then we have a rookie in that #2 Corner spot and that means unless our D-line looks realy realy realy realy realy realy solid we are in for a long year. We are gonna be solid v.s. the run but our secondary is a match head waiting to be lit...
What are you talking about? Roc has play-off experience :clown: .

Ninjafied
07-04-2005, 12:15 PM
I was going to include Sauerbrun in the poll but i read somewhere he wont be at the minicamp.
I'm a lot more concerned about what that guy is doing when he's not on the field. :devil:

DivineLegion
07-04-2005, 12:18 PM
I was going to include Sauerbrun in the poll but i read somewhere he wont be at the minicamp.

Hes still trying to figure out how to transport his 40 Gallon Beer Tap from his home in NC to his new home in Denver...last time he tryed to move it he got pulled for having an open container of beer... :drown:

Cito Pelon
07-04-2005, 12:43 PM
What would you have done differently?

Playcalling is only as good as the players executing it. Rod was our only consistent target. Sharpe was gone, Putz was off the field because his blocking was suspect in red zone, Watts was a rook and I don't care what anyone says, Lelie got shut down repeatedly in the red zone.

Like it or not, the playcalling last year resulted in record breaking yardage on offense, so yes they were doing something right. This team was fifth in the league in yards per game just ten yards behind the Colts.

Our playcalling was fine, it was the lack of talent in the red zone that hampered us. With Sharpe/Portis, those two combined for 22 TDs. Last year our TE/RB combined for just 10. I know it's simplistic but that's where we lost our Red Zone production.

I was picking on the strategy more than playcalling. I didn't like how they would often try to go with the 4-5 wideout, empty backfield on first down. Once you have an incompletion on first down, your options decrease dramatically. And for the Broncs, an incompletion on first down often meant 3 and out, leading to losing the field-position battle, 'cause the ST's were not so great. They were not able to execute it consistently at all. I can see how that strategy will work, but as you said they did not have the players to do that.

To me, if you're not going to be able to run that type of O, don't bother with it. As a leader, you can't just throw away chances to win by adopting a strategy that will not work. It's hard enough to win a title of any kind doing what you do best, trying to win a title by emphasizing what you do worst makes it even harder.

I realize I'm being picky, because the O wasn't horrible last year. All in all, it's actually tough to defend the position that the O was no good. They had a hard time scoring, but that's the result of a combination of factors - poor field position, depleted RB corps, red-zone struggles. They did pile up yards, but a lot of that was moving from the 10-15 to the 40, then stalling.

I think the O is going to be a lot more consistent this year. I think there's going to be incremental improvements in a lot of areas, and they'll add up to a crisper, more consistent O.

Kaylore
07-04-2005, 12:44 PM
I'm a lot more concerned about what that guy is doing when he's not on the field. :devil:
Hopefully eating fewer donuts.

SpringStein
07-04-2005, 01:22 PM
From Schefter:

"For the start of a mandatory minicamp July 6, the Broncos are expecting defensive end Courtney Brown to return from his left foot injury, defensive end Ebenezer Ekuban to return from his knee and shoulder injuries, and running back Quentin Griffin to return from his knee injury.

But most eyes will be on Brown, the former No. 1 overall pick in the draft who missed 14 games last season due to a torn ligament in his left foot. Brown signed with Denver in part because he knew the Broncos would not overwork him in training camp. To date, the Broncos have taken a very cautious approach with Brown, and they probably will continue to do so through training camp, practicing him only once a day. They know if Brown is healthy, he will turn out to be their biggest offseason acquisition and a force."

So don't be surprised not to hear too much about Courtney - and I hope they do bring him along slowly.

Atlas
07-04-2005, 01:33 PM
Our secondary is gonna be weak this year...the only spot we know is solid is our #1 Corner...Lynch is old, Fergy can play but to what level ???, Lenny is still a ? and needs more development, the rest are either rookies or beat up. Our safteys suck this year realy Lynch is abour out of time and we have one of our second chance fill players starting at the other spot. If Lenny dosent live up to the potential of a contract year player then we have a rookie in that #2 Corner spot and that means unless our D-line looks realy realy realy realy realy realy solid we are in for a long year. We are gonna be solid v.s. the run but our secondary is a match head waiting to be lit...
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I think Denver should bewilling to go after Law. If they could sign him to a 1 year $3million deal I think it would be a great quick fix.

DivineLegion
07-04-2005, 01:36 PM
Can we afford that?

DivineLegion
07-04-2005, 01:37 PM
It would be insane to have Law and Champ healthy and together on the same field we would have an insane amount of turnovers.

Billy Clyde Puckett
07-04-2005, 06:37 PM
A healthy Pryce is a big key to the season

wabbit
07-04-2005, 09:38 PM
I hear Todd Sauerbrun has been house hunting in Highlands Ranch & Douglas County south of Denver...I know a real estate agent who says he isn't really sure if he'll buy or not...may rent for time & leave his family back east.

Bronco Media folks say players have extra incentive to show up in shape...the early depth charts (minus the set starters) will be built off only the position camps & a couple of days of work-outs without pads...go figure that one, but true.

Courtney Brown reportedly is 'almost' ready to go, told one reporter (to be printed later) he still feels pain in his foot, but has told the team he'll work it out in the pre-season...not really what the coaches wanted to hear though.

Of all the Brownie acquisitions so far, DT Michael Myers has reportedly impressed defensive coaches the most. Some latitude has to be given for the injuries I'm told, but I hear Gerard Warren is working out hard because he has to...a bit..well...considerably too much weight.

A Sports Medicine specialist has advised the Broncos to go a little easy early with Lenny Walls. Apparently his shoulder is repaired & close to 100%, but after two separations...will remain unstable to some degree the rest of his career...kind of like concussions in regard to repetitive injury.

Dominique Foxworth has been...far & away...the most impressive rookie so far, but, I hear Darrent Williams has flashed some enticing elusiveness that has pleased coaches in very short sessions of Special Teams drills. No word whatsoever on Karl Paymah...everyone knows the well pub'd progress of Clarett.

Don't ask. Besides endless opinions, that's the only info I took notes about...we'll hear a lot more in the way of progress reports this week.

SoCalBronco
07-04-2005, 09:41 PM
Thanks for that great report, Wabbit. Im excited to see what comes about this week. Im dying for football camps already.

DBroncos4life
07-04-2005, 09:49 PM
If Todd punts like he has we have a top ten SP Teams unit without even adding a return game. If Williams provides a good return game we may even crack the top 5.

epicSocialism4tw
07-04-2005, 09:57 PM
If Todd punts like he has we have a top ten SP Teams unit without even adding a return game. If Williams provides a good return game we may even crack the top 5.

Regardless of ranking, the Bronco brain trust has turned the special teams unit into an asset from being a liability in the last few seasons.

Those close games become alot easier to win when you can pin an offense inside it's own 20 or count on some extra yards from of your punt return team.

Elam has always been the best, but now their unit as a whole is pretty solid. Burns is back, and there are ball-hawking young speedsters to chase down and punish the dante hall's of the league.

Bob's your Information Minister
07-04-2005, 10:50 PM
You guys won't stop Dante Hall. Never have, never will. :laugh:

wabbit
07-04-2005, 10:54 PM
You guys won't stop Dante Hall. Never have, never will. :laugh:


See what happens when parents leave their liquor cabinets unlocked??

Look hard Mom & Dad...this could happen to you

...oh...clean your room 'Bob

Pezman
07-04-2005, 10:59 PM
I'm keyed up to see if Watts can blow the second year wideout curve and make a huge impact for us. I really want to see if he can have a great camp, and maybe even challenge for that #1-2 slot.

Kaylore
07-04-2005, 11:16 PM
Courtney Brown reportedly is 'almost' ready to go, told one reporter (to be printed later) he still feels pain in his foot, but has told the team he'll work it out in the pre-season...not really what the coaches wanted to hear though.
Oh Great. I hope he's not just sitting around licking his wounds all year promising how he's "almost ready" all the time.
~Popps~

BTW, Thanks Wabbit.

BRONCCRUSHFAN
07-04-2005, 11:33 PM
I'm with Ozo on this one. I am intrigued by Foxworth, as well as Paymah, and Wesley Duke. So I guess that puts me in the other catagory.

BRONCCRUSHFAN
07-04-2005, 11:35 PM
You guys won't stop Dante Hall. Never have, never will. :laugh:

When are the Chefs going to teach him to catch the football, or is he still going to be that "developing" 3rd wideout that has hands of stone?

Bob's your Information Minister
07-04-2005, 11:53 PM
When are the Chefs going to teach him to catch the football, or is he still going to be that "developing" 3rd wideout that has hands of stone?

Dante did less of that last year, I'm expecting even less this year.

epicSocialism4tw
07-05-2005, 12:11 AM
Oh Great. I hope he's not just sitting around licking his wounds all year promising how he's "almost ready" all the time.
~Popps~

BTW, Thanks Wabbit.


Yeah, Im with you Kahn...I think that this guy, the recovering Pryce, and the overwieght Warren are the keys to our season. Without pressure up front, our secondary is dead in the water.

fontaine
07-05-2005, 03:13 AM
I hear Todd Sauerbrun has been house hunting in Highlands Ranch & Douglas County south of Denver...I know a real estate agent who says he isn't really sure if he'll buy or not...may rent for time & leave his family back east.

Bronco Media folks say players have extra incentive to show up in shape...the early depth charts (minus the set starters) will be built off only the position camps & a couple of days of work-outs without pads...go figure that one, but true.

Courtney Brown reportedly is 'almost' ready to go, told one reporter (to be printed later) he still feels pain in his foot, but has told the team he'll work it out in the pre-season...not really what the coaches wanted to hear though.

Of all the Brownie acquisitions so far, DT Michael Myers has reportedly impressed defensive coaches the most. Some latitude has to be given for the injuries I'm told, but I hear Gerard Warren is working out hard because he has to...a bit..well...considerably too much weight.

A Sports Medicine specialist has advised the Broncos to go a little easy early with Lenny Walls. Apparently his shoulder is repaired & close to 100%, but after two separations...will remain unstable to some degree the rest of his career...kind of like concussions in regard to repetitive injury.

Dominique Foxworth has been...far & away...the most impressive rookie so far, but, I hear Darrent Williams has flashed some enticing elusiveness that has pleased coaches in very short sessions of Special Teams drills. No word whatsoever on Karl Paymah...everyone knows the well pub'd progress of Clarett.

Don't ask. Besides endless opinions, that's the only info I took notes about...we'll hear a lot more in the way of progress reports this week.

Great stuff.

If Sourbrain and D. Williams can just do their job in special teams then it'll go a long way towards improving both offense and defense.

I'm glad Foxworth is making the coaches look twice at him because we'll need that depth there. I know the young crowd at DB (leseur, browner, D. Will, Paymah) will take a couple of seasons to mature but it always helps if a rookie like Foxworth can compete for the nickle position early on.

Billy Clyde Puckett
07-05-2005, 05:25 AM
I hear Todd Sauerbrun has been house hunting in Highlands Ranch & Douglas County south of Denver...I know a real estate agent who says he isn't really sure if he'll buy or not...may rent for time & leave his family back east.

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Thanks as always Wabbit. How about leaving a few of Meck's business cards down ar Dove Valley in hopes he can earn the money to pay for Bucky Dilt's SB ring.

x123z
07-05-2005, 05:36 AM
Any of them. I am just starved for football.