O Connor retires

[ak1971]

here we go

[Spider]

SINEAD O'CONNOR has announced she will retire from the music industry this summer

[Spider]

what will Dubya ever do ? ........... i think call an emergency session of Congress ......
or go golfing ...... I vote for Golfing ......

[Montaq]

Well, this should give us something to talk about.

How far right will her replacement be?

[Hotrod]

what will Dubya ever do ? ........... i think call an emergency session of Congress ......
or go golfing ...... I vote for Golfing ......

Nope he will head for crawford ;D Fighting terror is "hard work it it it ah really is" ;D The man deserves a vacation.

[Spider]

Well, this should give us something to talk about.

How far right will her replacement be?
we can rule out Joan Jett ....... Martina McBride wont look good bald .....
Wynonna Judd

[Montaq]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8430976/

Supreme Court Justice O'Connor retiring
First female member of court; key swing vote on abortion, death penalty

Updated: 10:30 a.m. ET July 1, 2005
WASHINGTON - Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, the first woman appointed to the Supreme Court and a key swing vote on issues such as abortion and the death penalty, said Friday she is retiring.

O’Connor, 75, said she will leave before the start of the court’s next term in October, or when the Senate confirms her successor. There was no immediate word from the White House on who might be nominated to replace O’Connor.

It’s been 11 years since the last opening on the court, one of the longest uninterrupted stretches in history. O’Connor’s decision gives Bush his first opportunity to appoint a justice.

[Hotrod]

Well, this should give us something to talk about.

How far right will her replacement be?

Hopefully far enough right to off set the leftist slant of the SC. Ok not really hopefully Bush has the guts to find someone who will follow the laws of the land the way they were ment to be followed and not make rulings based on their own agenda. I know I know its a pipedream.

[Spider]

Nope he will head for crawford ;D Fighting terror is "hard work it it it ah really is" ;D The man deserves a vacation.
;D thats it

[Hotrod]

we can rule out Joan Jett ....... Martina McBride wont look good bald .....
Wynonna Judd

No Judds I cant stand them. I really doubt the Dixie chicks get much of a look rofl

[Montaq]

Hopefully far enough right to off set the leftist slant of the SC. Ok not really hopefully Bush has the guts to find someone who will follow the laws of the land the way they were ment to be followed and not make rulings based on their own agenda. I know I know its a pipedream.

Well, O'Connor has been the swing-vote in most cases.

[Hotrod]

Well, O'Connor has been the swing-vote in most cases.

I would assume she was under huge amounts of pressure to stay then.

LABF come down from that ledge it will be ok son just dont jump ;D

[Spider]

Oh you guys mean the SC ........ Hell I wouldnt worry about a replacement just yet .... I am still wondering if the Justice of the SC will still have homes by October ;D

[Hotrod]

Oh you guys mean the SC ........ Hell I wouldnt worry about a replacement just yet .... I am still wondering if the Justice of the SC will still have homes by October ;D

Maybe thats why shes out of there. rofl

[RaiderH8r]

Well, O'Connor has been the swing-vote in most cases.
The left will be in full dither mode. I'll be sitting back and enjoying the hilarity that is sure to ensue.

[Spider]

Maybe thats why shes out of there. rofl
LOL ......I can see her now ... damn peasants wanting to take my house .....

[Hotrod]

The left will be in full dither mode. I'll be sitting back and enjoying the hilarity that is sure to ensue.

The resident Leftist leader will be spamming the mane at a never before seen rate. rofl

[Spider]

I just had a Epiphany ................ The choice is Clear ...................
We get martha Stewart ...........

[Montaq]

The left will be in full dither mode. I'll be sitting back and enjoying the hilarity that is sure to ensue.

There's nothing anyone can do about it. I'm not going to let myself get too bothered about this.

[Spider]

LaToya Jackson comes to mind also ....... Hell because of her Brother Michael she has more expierence i na court room then most Judges .............. LaToya for SC ........

[Hotrod]

I just had a Epiphany ................ The choice is Clear ...................
We get martha Stewart ...........

Well she is familur with the legal system ;D

I was thinking someone like Bill OReilly remember hes looking out for you ;D


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[Hotrod]

LaToya Jackson comes to mind also ....... Hell because of her Brother Michael she has more expierence i na court room then most Judges .............. LaToya for SC ........

I thought she had experiance in the bedroom my bad I guess ;D

[Spider]

Well she is familur with the legal system ;D

I was thinking someone like Bill OReilly remember hes looking out for you ;D


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LOL .i can see it now Talking Points Memo , Telling Defendents to Shut up , Getting the facts of the case wrong .......... Hilarious!

[Montaq]

What I'm really upset about today is that I found out on Howard Stern that Paulie Shore slept with Tiffany Amber Thiessen.

[Spider]

I thought she had experiance in the bedroom my bad I guess ;D
Bedroom , court. I am not picky ;D

[Spider]

What I'm really upset about today is that I found out today on Howard Stern that Paulie Shore slept with Tiffany Amber Thiessen.
Paulie Shore actually got a hard on hey ........

[Hotrod]

LOL .i can see it now Talking Points Memo , Telling Defendents to Shut up , Getting the facts of the case wrong .......... Hilarious!

Cutting off peoples mic's rofl

[Spider]

Cutting off peoples mic's rofl
LOL ...... I would go with O'Reilly , I would love to see a Justice get impeached , or loose his house to Liberty lost Hotel chain

[Hotrod]

Someone should start a Vbookie on this ;D

Id put my money on..........drum roll please.............Alberto Gonzales ;D

[Spider]

Someone should start a Vbookie on this ;D

Id put my money on..........drum roll please.............Alberto Gonzales ;D
AlBerto would be someone the Left would accept . so he is out the window ;D

[Montaq]

Won't be Gonazles. He's pro-choice.

[Spider]

Won't be Gonazles. He's pro-choice.
exactly . the Mutant..err Christian right wing will never allow it ..........

[Hotrod]

;D looks like I should have consulted my insiders before calling my bookie.

I'm not sure the Repubs will try to get very carried away here. They have enough troubles. I could see them trying to find a "our guy" who the left will accept to keep from having more bad press. Or maybe they use this to draw attention away from other issues???

So basically I dont have a clue ;D

[Spider]

;D looks like I should have consulted my insiders before calling my bookie.

I'm not sure the Repubs will try to get very carried away here. They have enough troubles. I could see them trying to find a "our guy" who the left will accept to keep from having more bad press. Or maybe they use this to draw attention away from other issues???

So basically I dont have a clue ;D
Iknow you said this in jest , but it is so real it is sad , instead of finding a good person they have to go with our Guy ......... Alberto would be another O'Conner I would believe ..... well except when it comes to torture ;D

[Montaq]

I vote for John Ashcroft.

[Spider]

I vote for John Ashcroft.
LOL . you would hell they just got done uncovering the Statue , now you want to put him in the SC ........ Lady Liberty will be fully dressed yet again Ha!

[Hotrod]

Iknow you said this in jest , but it is so real it is sad , instead of finding a good person they have to go with our Guy ......... Alberto would be another O'Conner I would believe ..... well except when it comes to torture ;D

Not really in jest unfortunatly thats what they will want an "our guy" dont you think. The dems would do the same thing. No???

[Spider]

Not really in jest unfortunatly thats what they will want an "our guy" dont you think. The dems would do the same thing. No???
Some Dems would of course , but Most dems seem to love centrist ... Pro choice to a point ...... someone who would lean more to workers rights , thats for sure ....

[Hotrod]

Some Dems would of course , but Most dems seem to love centrist ... Pro choice to a point ...... someone who would lean more to workers rights , thats for sure ....

Ok heres the "In jest" part ;D

They will find an "our guy" because there is an election to steal in 08 ;D


I really dont care where the person they find is as far as "left/right" I just want somone that will rule based on the letter of the law not his/her personal theorys.

[Montaq]

LOL . you would hell they just got done uncovering the Statue , now you want to put him in the SC ........ Lady Liberty will be fully dressed yet again Ha!

I'm just trying to prepare myself for some religious fanatic to be nominated.

[Spider]

Case in point , we dems know what McCain is , he is a Republican true to the Party , but he is also Sensible , We like McCain on the left , as with a few others Like Hagel , guys we disagree with on some issues , but Guys that will stand up for what they believe in . ones we cant Stand is Delay , Frist , W , Orrin Hatch , BrownBack , Santorum.........

[Spider]

I'm just trying to prepare myself for some religious fanatic to be nominated.
good point ......

[RaiderH8r]

Bedroom , court. I am not picky ;D
Neither is she.

[Spider]

Ok heres the "In jest" part ;D

They will find an "our guy" because there is an election to steal in 08 ;D


I really dont care where the person they find is as far as "left/right" I just want somone that will rule based on the letter of the law not his/her personal theorys.
Thats the whole Idea .......we want someone that will be fair , just , and temper justice , within the guidelines of the constitution

[RaiderH8r]

Thats the whole Idea .......we want someone that will be fair , just , and temper justice , within the guidelines of the constitution
Scalia is already on the court ;D

[Spider]

Neither is she.
I can dig that ....... how Latoya got her groove back with Spider .... I dont think my wife will go for that though ...... How Latoya got her Groove back with Hotrod ;D

[Spider]

Scalia is already on the court ;D
I think you missed a few words like Fair and just ;D

[Hotrod]

I can dig that ....... how Latoya got her groove back with Spider .... I dont think my wife will go for that though ...... How Latoya got her Groove back with Hotrod ;D

I was thinking more of OReilly hes into that kinky stuff. Or so they say. ;D

[RaiderH8r]

I think you missed a few words like Fair and just ;D
He's fair and just. And there's no greater textualist on the court right now.

[Spider]

I was thinking more of OReilly hes into that kinky stuff. Or so they say. ;D
Hilarious! .. that was good . rep you if I could

[Hotrod]

To bad Cheney is busy Id like a SCJ thats not afraid to tell someone "to go f*** themselves" you know someone with a backbone the anti Kerry type.

[ClevelandBronco2]

I'm just trying to prepare myself for some religious fanatic to be nominated.

Not to worry. I doubt that Bush would nominate a blind follower of fundamentalist secularism.

[Spider]

He's fair and just. And there's no greater textualist on the court right now.
Actually I dont have a realProblem with Scalia his ruling in the UNION, UNITED AUTOMOBILE,AEROSPACE AND AGRICULTURAL IMPLEMENTWORKERS OF AMERICA, UAW, et al.,PETITIONERS v. JOHNSONCONTROLS, INC. .was particaly right , he did have some things in his conncurence i didnt agree with like the Lead effecting Mens reproduction abilty , but in the end Scalia came through . and thats all that matters

[Montaq]

http://www.nbc5i.com/news/4674639/detail.html?treets=dfw&tml=dfw_natlbreak&ts=T&tmi=dfw_natlbreak_1_09560107012005

The possible replacements include Alberto Gonzales, who just recently was sworn-in as attorney general. Other names that have been mentioned include federal appeals judges Michael Luttig, John Roberts, Samuel Alito, Michael McConnell, Emilio Garza and James Wilkinson.

There's also former Solicitor General Theodore Olson, former deputy attorney general Larry Thompson -- and lawyer Miguel Estrada.

[Montaq]

Not to worry. I doubt that Bush would nominate a blind follower of fundamentalist secularism.

I'll bet you're a joy at parties. ???

[Hotrod]

Theres my boy Alberto hes a shoe in ^5

[Spider]

I'll bet you're a joy at parties. ???
LOL ........

[Hotrod]

I'll bet you're a joy at parties. ???

Ha! you must spread some rep before giving it to this yahoo again rofl

[Spider]

Ha! you must spread some rep before giving it to this yahoo again rofl
LOL .....

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I'm pulling for "Bob's your Information Minister". He makes about as much sense as some of the decisions and he would look pretty spiffy in that red robe.

[Hotrod]

I'm pulling for "Bob's your Information Minister". He makes about as much sense as some of the decisions and he would look pretty spiffy in that red robe.

Ha! then we would have to give him a dunguns and dragons nickname. Like grand wizard elf halfling of the SC rofl

[SoCalBronco]

Wow, there should be a big battle now for her replacement.



http://law.vanderbilt.edu/about/news/2003/07_11.jpg

Thanks for your service, "Sandy Baby".

[Rock Chalk]

Wht battle?

I can sense a filibuster coming.

[BRONCCRUSHFAN]

Thank god she is gone. I wish someone would have dropped a house on her years ago.

[SoCalBronco]

Thank god she is gone. I wish someone would have dropped a house on her years ago.

Dude, thats classless.

[Rock Chalk]

Thank god she is gone. I wish someone would have dropped a house on her years ago.
Thats OK< I wish someone would drop a house on you and your family.

Not so nice when someone's wishing you and yours ill is it?

Maybe next time you will just keep your cum dump shut.

[Atlas]

I remember her being appointed by Reagon. She has been a pretty fair Justice. She'll be tough to replace. I'm sure getting a legal abortion in the US will be impossible now. Back to the 1800's with coat hangers and back alley Drs.

[B-Love]

Goodbye 'Sandy Baby'.

Riggo sends his love.

[RaiderH8r]

I remember her being appointed by Reagon. She has been a pretty fair Justice. She'll be tough to replace. I'm sure getting a legal abortion in the US will be impossible now. Back to the 1800's with coat hangers and back alley Drs.
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Tools of the trade. :TJnPopps:

or

The Dr. will see you now Ms. Roe. :devil:

[Crushaholic]

O'Connor was often the swing vote on the bench because she rarely had an agenda. Happy retirement, Sandra...

[Kaylore]

She was a moderate Regan appointee. We'll see who's next, but it will likely be a conservative.

[Raiders Rock]

It amazes me, the same liberal minds that are for killing babies that have yet to be born, will stand outside a prison with candles and pray to keep a convicted axe murderer from getting the chair.


RR

[Rohirrim]

That's a real shame for this country. She was one of the centrists. Bush will now fill her role with some slavering right wing pedagogue like Scalia. Then Rehnquist will drop dead and Bush will get another one. Oh well. I've always had a historical interest in the Medieval times. If Bush gets his way, maybe I'll get the opportunity to see it first hand.

[Rohirrim]

It amazes me, the same liberal minds that are for killing babies that have yet to be born, will stand outside a prison with candles and pray to keep a convicted axe murderer from getting the chair.


RR

It amazes me that the right wing freakos will expend their last gasp to save a two-celled embyro, and will then throw a party outside the gates of an execution of a human being.

[Kaylore]

It amazes me that the right wing freakos will expend their last gasp to save a two-celled embyro, and will then throw a party outside the gates of an execution of a human being.
I don't consider some of the those monsters human beings.

[Rohirrim]

I don't consider some of the those monsters human beings.

Interesting. Lately, many courts across the country have discovered that some of those monsters were innocent.

[Kaylore]

Interesting. Lately, many courts across the country have discovered that some of those monsters were innocent.
...then obviously they aren't monsters. Obviously DNA testing and other such things coming into play are making things more accurate and keeping the guilty and the innocent sepperated, which is wonderful. I don't claim to always know who is innocent or guilty, Rohirrim. I do know that I'm not fond of keeping a pedophile murdering rapist alive for fifty years on my tax dollars.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Interesting. Lately, many courts across the country have discovered that some of those monsters were innocent.
Or mentally retarded but some do deserve be taken out of society (whatever it takes to make sure they can never ever reproduce or escape into to society again). A woman's right to abort should be at least as important as a country's leader right to send young men and women to their death in a war that is basically nothing more than a personal vendetta.

[Raiders Rock]

Or mentally retarded but some do deserve be taken out of society (whatever it takes to make sure they can never ever reproduce or escape into to society again). A woman's right to abort should be at least as important as a country's leader right to send young men and women to their death in a war that is basically nothing more than a personal vendetta.

Just because someting is Legal , does not mean it is right.

RR

[Rohirrim]

Or mentally retarded but some do deserve be taken out of society (whatever it takes to make sure they can never ever reproduce or escape into to society again). A woman's right to abort should be at least as important as a country's leader right to send young men and women to their death in a war that is basically nothing more than a personal vendetta.

Rep! I have no problem with scumbags spending the rest of their days four stories underground under flourescent lights for the remainder of their days. Personally, I would find that more horrible than getting put to sleep. I just don't agree with the concept of a democratic state putting its citizens to death for any reason.

[DBroncos4life]

I know nothing about her really but I do have a nice story about the justice system. I guard at the hospital my wife works at got stabbed to death a couple days ago, by a man you just got out of jail that very same day. He was out on a million dollar bail or 10%. Nice.

[Raiders Rock]

Or mentally retarded but some do deserve be taken out of society (whatever it takes to make sure they can never ever reproduce or escape into to society again). A woman's right to abort should be at least as important as a country's leader right to send young men and women to their death in a war that is basically nothing more than a personal vendetta.


How would you like the USA being nothing more than a country like Israel , where their hands are tied (by the USA mostly) from wiping them countries off the map.

How would you like to see bus bombs going off every day or so like they do in Israel.
Do you honestly think that if we did not bring the war to them they wouldn't bring it to us?
Do you want to see Principles and Teachers carring M-16's to guard schools to protect the children in them?

I don't, I don't agree totally with everything that is going on over there, but I damn sure rather see the fight abroad than on U.S. soil.

I read a report than 90% of the people fighting the U.S. in Iraq isn't even from there they are infiltrating thru Iran and Syria.

War sucks, people die, but doing it the liberal way and throwing $$$ at a problem doesn't always work.

I just thank God that Gore, Kerry or Hillary wasn't in office when they hit them towers, if they were, we would still be apologizing for putting them 2 towers in their way.


RR

[Rohirrim]

Back to the point of this thread. Man! I can only imagine the fireworks that are going to explode in DC over this one. Completely unexpected. There will be all out war on capitol hill.

[Rohirrim]

How would you like the USA being nothing more than a country like Israel , where their hands are tied (by the USA mostly) from wiping them countries off the map.

How would you like to see bus bombs going off every day or so like they do in Israel.
Do you honestly think that if we did not bring the war to them they wouldn't bring it to us?
Do you want to see Principles and Teachers carring M-16's to guard schools to protect the children in them?

I don't, I don't agree totally with everything that is going on over there, but I damn sure rather see the fight abroad than on U.S. soil.

I read a report than 90% of the people fighting the U.S. in Iraq isn't even from there they are infiltrating thru Iran and Syria.

War sucks, people die, but doing it the liberal way and throwing $$$ at a problem doesn't always work.

I just thank God that Gore, Kerry or Hillary wasn't in office when they hit them towers, if they were, we would still be apologizing for putting them 2 towers in their way.


RR

Yeah, or those other liberal nutsacks like FDR, JFK or HST.

[SoCalBronco]

Yeah, or those other liberal nutsacks like FDR, JFK or HST.

FDR and HST were true heroes i cannot say bad things about them even though they were on the left.

I hope JFK is enjoying cocktails with Joseph Stalin right now.

[BRONCCRUSHFAN]

Yeah, or those other liberal nutsacks like FDR, JFK or HST.

FDR and HST were not liberals, the parties changed when DDE became the first conservative republican. The father of modern liberalism would be JFK. Prior to DDE, the republicans were considered the liberal nutsacks.

The only problem I had with Sandra, was she introduced the idea of the "grey area" of the law, for which civil and defense attorney's have been playing in ever since.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I just thank God that Gore, Kerry or Hillary wasn't in office when they hit them towers, if they were, we would still be apologizing for putting them 2 towers in their way.
RR
Or, we probably would have captured and or killed the person who is responsible for 9-11, or might have prevented it in the first place since all of our resources wouldn't have been fixated on attacking a country that was NO threat to us (concentrating on the actual threats to our country which were known). When do you think Bush will decide to go after the scumbag that actually attacked us?

Bush's so called " political capital" is pretty much gone now before he even could use it so he would be wise to pick someone who is concerned about the Constitution maybe on the appellate circuit.

[Beantown Bronco]

.... I do know that I'm not fond of keeping a pedophile murdering rapist alive for fifty years on my tax dollars.

If it makes you feel any better, it actually costs less of your tax money to keep them alive in prison for 50 yrs than it does to kill them on death row.

[SoCalBronco]

FDR and HST were not liberals, the parties changed when DDE became the first conservative republican. The father of modern liberalism would be JFK. Prior to DDE, the republicans were considered the liberal nutsacks.

The only problem I had with Sandra, was she introduced the idea of the "grey area" of the law, for which civil and defense attorney's have been playing in ever since.

All law is gray area. No one introduced it. It actually requires it. Its no one's fault, its part of life. Language is slippery. Its hard to use any word whereby you know the exact parameters of prohibited conduct on all sides without being unnecessarily restrictive.

[Raiders Rock]

Or, we probably would have captured and or killed the person who is responsible for 9-11, or might have prevented it in the first place since all of our resources wouldn't have been fixated on attacking a country that was NO threat to us (concentrating on the actual threats to our country which were known). When do you think Bush will decide to go after the scumbag that actually attacked us?

Bush's so called " political capital" is pretty much gone now before he even could use it so he would be wise to pick someone who is concerned about the Constitution maybe on the appellate circuit.

Well, Sudan had him (Bin Laden) in custody and your hero (Clinton) didn't want him well before 9-11, Maybe if we had him back we could make rational decisions like bombing Momaar's house in Libya to take the heat off the stories of his affairs with Monica.

[BRONCCRUSHFAN]

All law is gray area. No one introduced it. It actually requires it. Its no one's fault, its part of life. Language is slippery. Its hard to use any word whereby you know the exact parameters of prohibited conduct on all sides without being unnecessarily restrictive.

Which goes back to my belief that unfortunately, we have been passing more laws, instead of looking at and either enforcing or abolishing the laws that we currently have. It appears as if the judicial branch has forgotten that, so we tack on more laws that make our personal rights and freedoms more restrictive. My only hope is that her replacement will not mess with Roe v. Wade, and yet not be so quick to just make new laws to fill in the "grey area."

[Rock Chalk]

That's a real shame for this country. She was one of the centrists. Bush will now fill her role with some slavering right wing pedagogue like Scalia. Then Rehnquist will drop dead and Bush will get another one. Oh well. I've always had a historical interest in the Medieval times. If Bush gets his way, maybe I'll get the opportunity to see it first hand.
Cry some more bitch. Thats certainly going to make a difference.

[Rock Chalk]

All law is gray area. No one introduced it. It actually requires it. Its no one's fault, its part of life. Language is slippery. Its hard to use any word whereby you know the exact parameters of prohibited conduct on all sides without being unnecessarily restrictive.
Couldnt agree more. Being a linguist by education I certainly understand the ineffectiveness of language to express ideas.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Well, Sudan had him (Bin Laden) in custody and your hero (Clinton) didn't want him well before 9-11, Maybe if we had him back we could make rational decisions like bombing Momaar's house in Libya to take the heat off the stories of his affairs with Monica.
You need to take the above crapola to the war and politics forum if you really are serious.

But do you have anything for the topic of this thread?

[Rohirrim]

Cry some more b****. Thats certainly going to make a difference.

You'd think a linguist could come up with something better than that. :~ohyah!:

[Rock Chalk]

You need to take the above crapola to the war and politics forum if you really are serious.

But do you have anything for the topic of this thread?
Stupid ass, a JUSTICE of the JUDICIAL SYTEM OF GOVERNMENT (which is POLITICS) is being discussed here. This entire thread needs to be in that cesspool of a forum.

And while you are at it, why dont you follow this thread there and get ****ing lost.

[Rohirrim]

I think Mock has hijacked Alec's PC.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Stupid ass, a JUSTICE of the JUDICIAL SYTEM OF GOVERNMENT (which is POLITICS) is being discussed here. This entire thread needs to be in that cesspool of a forum.

And while you are at it, why dont you follow this thread there and get ****ing lost.
LOL! Is Alec having another tantrum? Must be a great life to wake up pissed off every day and go to bed pissed off every night. :thumbsup:

[Rohirrim]

FDR and HST were not liberals, the parties changed when DDE became the first conservative republican. The father of modern liberalism would be JFK. Prior to DDE, the republicans were considered the liberal nutsacks.

The only problem I had with Sandra, was she introduced the idea of the "grey area" of the law, for which civil and defense attorney's have been playing in ever since.

I think everybody over at the Carlyle Group or the Heritage Foundation would disagree with you about FDR and HST. After all, they've spent their entire political lives trying to undo everything FDR ever accomplished.

I think this court ended up being very centrist. What it seems to me that they tried to accomplish was to force politicians to face up to the issues instead of continuously dumping them in the court's lap. That's why they sent so many cases back to the state courts.

With the chief centrist conservative now gone the right wing should be able to enforce its agenda through judicial activism.

[Rohirrim]

LOL! Is Alec having another tantrum? Must be a great life to wake up pissed off every day and go to bed pissed off every night. :thumbsup:

Guy needs to learn about masturbation. Maybe he could send away for a pamphlet from Clinton's Surgeon General?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I'll be sitting back and enjoying the hilarity that is sure to ensue.

Sort of like what us lefties are doing watching GeeDubya & CO implode?

Gotcha.

:D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Well, Sudan had him (Bin Laden) in custody and your hero (Clinton) didn't want him well before 9-11...

:bs:

9/11 Commission Report: "Osama offered to Clinton by Sudan" Claim is Bogus

By Scott C. Smith

Regular viewers of Hannity and Colmes on Fox News (Read: Raiders Rock) have heard Sean Hannity say on numerous occasions that the government of Sudan wanted to hand Osama bin Laden over to the United States "on a silver platter," only to have the offer rejected by the Clinton administration.

Hannity says this a lot. If the topic of the day is terrorism, it's a sure thing Sean Hannity will mention the alleged offer by Sudan to turn Osama bin Laden over to the United States.

Fox News analyst Mansoor Ijaz has made the claim that he brokered the deal to turn over bin Laden, as a sort of freelance diplomat.

Ijaz claims that in 1996, he opened talks with the government of Sudan. According to the December 5, 2001 Los Angeles Times, Ijaz says, "From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas."



Was this a legitimate offer? According to the 9/11 Commission's final report, the answer is no.

In the 567-page report, the 9/11 Commission mentions Ijaz only once, as an end note on page 480: "In February 1997, the Sudanese sent letters to President Clinton and Secretary of State Allbright, extending an invitation for a U.S. counterterrorism inspection mission to visit Sudan. The Sudanese also used private U.S. citizens to pass along offers to cooperate...but these offers were dismissed because the National Security Council viewed Sudan as all talk and little action...U.S. officials also feared that the Sudanese would exploit any positive American responses..."

What about the claim, as articulated by Hannity on hundreds of occasions, that we were offered Osama bin Laden on a silver platter? The 9/11 Commission report says it never happened. From page 110 of the report:

"Sudan's minister of defense, Fatih Erwa, has claimed that Sudan offered to hand bin Laden over to the United States. The commission has found no credible evidence that this was so. U.S. Ambassador Timothy Carney had instructions only to push the Sudanese to expel bin Laden. Ambassador Carney had no legal basis to ask more from the Sudanese since, at the time, there was no indictment outstanding."

For years now, conservatives have battered Clinton over his "failure" to accept bin Laden on a "silver platter." Ijaz has made the cable news circuit on many occasions with his claim that he brokered a deal to hand over bin Laden.

Of course, conservatives have always believed the Ijaz story and never accepted the Clinton administration's explanation of the "offer." As Clinton National Security Advisor Sandy Berger wrote in the July 13, 2002 Washington Post: "Although less was known about Osama bin Laden in 1996, when he left Sudan, than has been learned since, U.S. officials pressed the Sudanese to end their support and sanctuary for bin Laden. But no senior Clinton administration official -- from the State Department, the CIA, the Defense Department or the National Security Council -- is aware of any offer by the Sudanese to turn bin Laden over to the United States..."

Berger also adds, "...that he (Ijaz) was not used as a channel of communication by the U.S. government to the Sudanese reflects the disinclination of any administration to use self-appointed diplomats to conduct official U.S. business -- given uncertainties over motivation and interest. Indeed, other governments complained to U.S. officials that Ijaz represented himself -- incorrectly -- as acting on behalf of the U.S. government."

To be fair, attempts were made in 1998 to capture bin Laden, and government agencies developed plans to do so. Following the 1998 embassy bombings in Africa, the Clinton administration decided to attack the camps bin Laden used with cruise missiles. The missiles were fired on August 20, 1998. According to the 9/11 report, bin Laden was missed by a few hours.

Conservatives like Hannity have said for years that the Clinton Administration did nothing to stop terrorism. The 9/11 Commission report shows the administration did take action against terrorists, and describes the Clinton Administration as being "obsessed" with capturing bin Laden.

Of course, in the world according to Sean Hannity and other conservatives, Bill Clinton took no action against terrorism, and it's doubtful the 9/11 report will change their minds.

[Rohirrim]

Had one of those missiles taken out Bin Laden, Hannity would now be claiming that Clinton had murdered one of the great "Freedom Fighters" of Afghanistan.

[Spider]

It amazes me, the same liberal minds that are for killing babies that have yet to be born, will stand outside a prison with candles and pray to keep a convicted axe murderer from getting the chair.


RR
do you were a skirt when you carry on like this ?
Bunch over hyped propganda spewing from a queen .......
Kinda remind me of my Mother ....... same kinda dramatics .... get some balls

[Spider]

Had one of those missiles taken out Bin Laden, Hannity would now be claiming that Clinton had murdered one of the great "Freedom Fighters" of Afghanistan.
LOL .... and an American ally too boot ......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Had one of those missiles taken out Bin Laden, Hannity would now be claiming that Clinton had murdered one of the great "Freedom Fighters" of Afghanistan.

Hey - isn't that what Osama's old partner Teflon Ron said about him? :D

[clarker]

Well, this should give us something to talk about.

How far right will her replacement be?I hope far enough to the right to reverse that stupid ruling of last week on the Government taking land from one person to give to the other.

[clarker]

I remember her being appointed by Reagon. She has been a pretty fair Justice. She'll be tough to replace. I'm sure getting a legal abortion in the US will be impossible now. Back to the 1800's with coat hangers and back alley Drs.There are only 3 anti-abortion judges on the court right now according to the Tucker Carlson show and Rachel Maddow, an Air-America talk show host and liberal activist, was there and could have corrected him. She did not. So even if the next Judge is pro-life that makes the vote 5-4 for Pro choice.

Plus I don't understand why abortion, gay marriage, all the social issues are not voted on by the people and not judges, be they liberal or conservative. Let the people vote on it.

[Raiders Rock]

do you were a skirt when you carry on like this ?
Bunch over hyped propganda spewing from a queen .......
Kinda remind me of my Mother ....... same kinda dramatics .... get some balls

Do you ever use a spell check?

[Spider]

Do you ever use a spell check?
spelling smack ........ I guess you have nothing else add at this point

[Antilles]

Well my money is on Mikey Luttig on the 4th Circuit, unfortunately.

He is basically the perfect choice for Bush: He's young, silly conservative (especially on the "morality" issues), and has made it his personal policy to NEVER make political speeches - in anticipation of his confirmation, I'd guess. I have heard that he has only spoken in public twice, and one of those speeches was at the funeral of Ted Olsen's wife who was on the plane that hit the petagon. And here's the kicker: someone in his family was murdered (his father or son, I can't remember), and he refused to let the state go for the death penalty. So, there is no dirt on this guy and no solid ground on which to oppose his confirmation, except ideology, and the dems can't afford an ideological battle right now. He's the smart pick anyway...

[clarker]

Well my money is on Mikey Luttig on the 4th Circuit, unfortunately.

He is basically the perfect choice for Bush: He's young, silly conservative (especially on the "morality" issues), and has made it his personal policy to NEVER make political speeches - in anticipation of his confirmation, I'd guess. I have heard that he has only spoken in public twice, and one of those speeches was at the funeral of Ted Olsen's wife who was on the plane that hit the petagon. And here's the kicker: someone in his family was murdered (his father or son, I can't remember), and he refused to let the state go for the death penalty. So, there is no dirt on this guy and no solid ground on which to oppose his confirmation, except ideology, and the dems can't afford an ideological battle right now. He's the smart pick anyway...
The Dems are going to oppose who ever Bush names. You can bank on it. It is there only public policy to oppose what ever he does.

[elsid13]

Most likely O Conner seat goes to someone the Dem can live with, and Reiquenst seat goes to some one the Bush crowd loves.

[Montaq]

Does anyone think that any issue other then abortion will be considered when most people decide whether they oppose or are in favor of whoever Bush nominates. ???

I think if the pick is a "pro-life" nominee - the left will go ape ****. And a "pro-choice" nominee will drive the right crazy.

[Spider]

Does anyone think that any issue other then abortion will be considered when most people decide whether they oppose or are in favor of whoever Bush nominates. ???

I think if the pick is a "pro-life" nominee - the left will go ape ****. And a "pro-choice" nominee will drive the right crazy.
with out a doubt ........

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Does anyone think that any issue other then abortion will be considered when most people decide whether they oppose or are in favor of whoever Bush nominates. ???

I think if the pick is a "pro-life" nominee - the left will go ape ****. And a "pro-choice" nominee will drive the right crazy.

You are right and in my opinion it is a very stupid issue upon which to make any decision on a judge's (or other politician's) qualifications

[Spider]

You are right and in my opinion it is a very stupid issue upon which to make any decision on a judge's (or other politician's) qualifications
I agree 100% .....

[epicSocialism4tw]

Back to the point of this thread. Man! I can only imagine the fireworks that are going to explode in DC over this one. Completely unexpected. There will be all out war on capitol hill.


The all-out war has already happened with the nominee filibustering. If I remember correctly, all that Bush has to do is say the word and we have a new Supreme Court justice.

The republicans have control of both houses, so it was inevitable anyhow. Hopefully Bush will finally give me something for my vote and put an originalist in there.

[Rascal]

Whoever he picks I'm sure there will be large amounts of bitching and whining from one group or another. Sad thing when special interest groups have all the political clout in our government when they represent so few.

O'Conner was a great judge and I hope she has a good life, she has deserved it.