Post your top 10 Quarterbacks all time [Archive] - The Orange Mane

gunns

07-01-2005, 05:26 AM

#1 John Elway
#2 Johnny Unitas
#3 Joe Montana
#4 Otto Graham
#5 Dan Marino
#6 Sammy Baugh
#7 Roger Staubach
#8 Brett Favre
#9 Fran Tarkenton
#10 Terry Bradshaw

Missing out is Luckman,Herber,Layne,The Dutchman NVB,Conerly,Tittle,Starr,Namath,Gabriel,Griese,Jur-gensen,Fouts,Young,Kelly,and Tom Brady. These are great quarterbacks but I don't think they are top 10. Post your top 10 quarterbacks of all time

Good list. I would probably switch places with Marino and Graham and switch Bradshaw and put in Fouts. It's hard when you put in players like Graham as his stats weren't that hot but it was a different era and he did win championships. Namath was a good QB but not a great one.

anthonypacino

07-01-2005, 10:14 AM

1. John Elway
2. Otto Graham
3. Joe Montana
4. Johnny Unitas
5. Dan Marino
6. Sammy Baugh
7. Fran Tarkenton
8. Jim Kelly
9. Warren Moon
10. Joe Namath

I did not include current active players (since they are still playing but Farve will be on there as soon as he retires)

Rock Chalk

07-01-2005, 10:16 AM

1. Elway
2. Elway
3. Elway
4. Elway
5. Elway
6. Elway
7. Elway
8. Elway
9. Elway
10. Elway

After 10 however, things start to get a little hazy.

Sir Mawn

07-01-2005, 10:20 AM

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Steve Young
4. Joe Montana
5. Otto Graham
6. Brett Favre
7. Dan Marino
8. Sammy Baugh
9. Roger Staubach
10. Jim Kelly

broncosteven

07-01-2005, 12:36 PM

1) Elway
2) Unitas
3) Bart Start (guy was a winner)
4) Fran Tarkenton
5) Otto Graham
6) Sammy Baugh
7) Joe Blow Montana
8) Jim Kelly
9) Dan Fouts
10) Dan Marino

Billy Clyde Puckett

07-01-2005, 12:47 PM

1 - Elway
2 - Unitas
3 - Staubach
4 - Graham
5 - Starr
6 - Baugh
7 - Tarkington
8 - Marino
9 - Fouts
10 - Young

Orange Porpoise

07-01-2005, 01:52 PM

1. Marino
2. Montana
3. Elway
4. Unitas
5. Staubach
6. Favre
7. Namath
8. Brady
9. Young
10. Bradshaw

JPEZ

07-01-2005, 01:59 PM

1. Elway
2. Elway
3. Elway
4. Elway
5. Elway
6. Elway
7. Elway
8. Elway
9. Elway
10. Elway

After 10 however, things start to get a little hazy.
Yea!! What he said! ;D :thumbsup:

Hogan11

07-01-2005, 02:26 PM

1. Charley Johnson
2. Elway
3. Elway
4. Elway
5. Elway
6. Elway
7. Elway
8. Elway
9. Elway
10. Elway

Yeah, Elway is the greatest in Broncos history....but my fave always was and will probably always be CJ#12...taking the time to chat with a 10 yr. old kid (me) amidst a very hostile and obnoxious Buffalo Bills home crowd endears him to me forever.

Sir Mawn

07-01-2005, 02:53 PM

1. Marino
2. Montana
3. Elway
4. Unitas
5. Staubach
6. Favre
7. Namath
8. Brady
9. Young
10. Bradshaw
:moon: Marino number 1???

orange 4 life

07-01-2005, 02:59 PM

1) elway
2) marino
3) unitas
4) young
5) montana
6) tarkenton
7) starr
8) moon
9) fouts
10) favre

orange 4 life

07-01-2005, 03:01 PM

1. Marino
2. Montana
3. Elway
4. Unitas
5. Staubach
6. Favre
7. Namath
8. Brady
9. Young
10. Bradshaw

listing tom brady amongst those greats is sick and wrong.
i mean DISTURBINGLY wrong.

the guy is a capable player with good accuracy and decision making.

one of the ALL TIME greats he is not.
not even close.

Hogan11

07-01-2005, 03:28 PM

listing tom brady amongst those greats is sick and wrong.
i mean DISTURBINGLY wrong.

the guy is a capable player with good accuracy and decision making.

one of the ALL TIME greats he is not.
not even close.

I thought it was personal choices here...not actual top 10 of all time. I actually don't mind Brady myself, but you're right in the actual sense...IMO.

anthonypacino

07-01-2005, 03:28 PM

listing tom brady amongst those greats is sick and wrong.
i mean DISTURBINGLY wrong.

the guy is a capable player with good accuracy and decision making.

one of the ALL TIME greats he is not.
not even close.Very true, I didn't list Farve on my list just because he is still playing! If he had retired like if wish he would have he would have found his way on instead of Moon. I can't put Young on the list because he spent half of his career on the bench, passer rating was awesome but probably would not been so high if he played a little more it was already dropping towards the end, and he was injury plagued. I know I put Namath on the list too, but he also meant more to the history of the game.

Orange Porpoise

07-01-2005, 03:59 PM

listing tom brady amongst those greats is sick and wrong.
i mean DISTURBINGLY wrong.

the guy is a capable player with good accuracy and decision making.

one of the ALL TIME greats he is not.
not even close.

I hate to admit it but Brady is good..I didn't put him high on the list cus I don't think he is a top 5 great qb but the guy has won 3 superbowls. He doesn't have the wide receiver like montana and until last year he didn't have a great running back and still got the job done.

Orange Porpoise

07-01-2005, 04:00 PM

:moon: Marino number 1???

I'm a homer :~ohyah!:

Rock Chalk

07-01-2005, 04:03 PM

Sir Mawn

07-01-2005, 04:03 PM

Rock Chalk

07-01-2005, 04:04 PM

I hate to admit it but Brady is good..I didn't put him high on the list cus I don't think he is a top 5 great qb but the guy has won 3 superbowls. He doesn't have the wide receiver like montana and until last year he didn't have a great running back and still got the job done.
That is incorrect in every senseof the word.

The guy has 3 superbowl rings. He won one. Vinatieri won one and their defense won one.

Dont get me wrong, I think he is a fine QB and I think someday he MAY become one of the top 10, but right now he isnt even a top 50 QB.

Sir Mawn

07-01-2005, 04:04 PM

I'm a homer :~ohyah!:

Oh.. that explains it. Just noticed your avatar.

yavoon

07-01-2005, 04:17 PM

this thread just smells like an excuse to see which bronco fan can put montana lower on the list.

Arkie

07-01-2005, 04:18 PM

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Joe Montana
4. Fran Tarkenton
5. Dan Marino
6. Sammy Baugh
7. Norm Van Brocklin
8. Bob Griese
9. Warren Moon
10. Brett Favre

phillybroncosnut

07-01-2005, 05:27 PM

Well, I never understand how anyone could make an "best EVER" list when, unless you are 90 years old, you've never seen half the guys on your list. How can you make an arguement for or against a guy if you've never seen him play?

At any rate, I'm always up for an "all time, MY TIME" list. I was born in '74 and sadly, I havent seen that many bonified stud QB's. Here is my all time, my time QB's:

1- John Elway- Call me a homer if you want but the guy won the most with the least his entire career. Put him on the Niners and he has 4 rings easily. Put Montana on the 80's Bronco teams and he has to retire after his 3rd year.

2- Montana- He was surrounded by greatness but he was absolutely the definition of "Joe Cool". When he was on, no one was better. Money in the clutch.

3- Tom Brady- Kill me if you want for having Brady at 3 but 3 SB championships in only 3 1/2 years as a starter is unmatched. Brady is the Montana of the decade. He has talent everywhere around him but make no mistake, he is the catalyst. For all the people that knock Brady and say he is a system guy, answer me 2 questions.:

1-Why were the Patriots under .500 with a pro bowl QB in Drew Bledsoe if it's the system?
2-How did the Pats then win something like 12 games in a row including the super bowl when Bledsoe got hurt and Brady stepped in.

4- Brett Favre- Closest thing to Elway I've seen. Had the unbeleivable arm, elusive as hell, could run if he had too, could thread the needle when the play called for it. If it wasn't for John Elway, Terrell and the rest of the '97 Broncos, Farve would have 2, if not 3 or 4 Titles by now. Not to mention at least 2 SB MVP's to go along with his 3 ( I think 3) League MVP's.

5- Jim Kelly- Let the arguements start here. I loved Kelly. The knock on Jim was that he never won the big one. Well, he was the engineer on one of the greatest NFL offenses I've ever seen. Sure, he had huge talent around him with Thurman (where's my helmet) Thomas, Andre (you joined the Broncos 10 years too late) Reed, James Lofton, etc, but Kelly, like all the other QB's was the absolute catalyst of that group. Kelly was also one of the toughest QB's Ive ever seen play. If Scott norwood makes that 48 yarder, Kelly has at least 1 ring and probably makes alot of top 10 lists.

6- Dan Marino- The Stats are untouchable but I'm not a 100% stat guy like alot of people. Some people look at wins/titles, others look at stats, I weigh them equally.
Marino didn't win enough big games to get into my top 5. In fact, I'm not sure if he ever won a big game. I'm not talking THE big game, I'm talking playoffs.
Even forgetting playoffs, I alwasy thought the guy was way too one dimensional. He definately had the quickest release, and he was as accurate as I've seen, his one flaw was if he had no pocket, he was toast. That's probably the reason he never fared well in the playoffs. Teams go balls out in the playoffs and Marino didn't have the luxury of sitting in a perfect pocket. Dan was a gunslinger and a damn good one, but not good enough for Philly's top 5.

I'll end it at 6 because the rest are toss ups in my opinion. That's my all time, my time top 10...errr.... top 6.

FADERPROOF

07-01-2005, 05:32 PM

Top 10 of QB's that I've seen play

1. John Elway
2. Joe Montana
3. Brett Favre
4. Dan Marino
5. Warren Moon
6. Jim Kelly
7. Peyton Manning
8. Steve Young
9. Troy Aikman
10. Tom Brady

phillybroncosnut

07-01-2005, 05:37 PM

Top 10 of QB's that I've seen play

1. John Elway
2. Joe Montana
3. Brett Favre
4. Dan Marino
5. Warren Moon
6. Jim Kelly
7. Peyton Manning
8. Steve Young
9. Troy Aikman
10. Tom Brady

Hey, it's your opinion and I am not telling you you're wrong, but......

How do you have Manning 3 spots ahead of Brady? Did'nt Brady beat Manning on his way to 3 super bowl titles?

Rocket 7

07-01-2005, 05:40 PM

Well, I never understand how anyone could make an "best EVER" list when, unless you are 90 years old, you've never seen half the guys on your list. How can you make an arguement for or against a guy if you've never seen him play?

I wasn't around whe FDR was President, but I know he was a great President. Just because we never saw them play doesn't mean we can't appreciate the "best EVER"

phillybroncosnut

07-01-2005, 05:45 PM

I wasn't around whe FDR was President, but I know he was a great President. Just because we never saw them play doesn't mean we can't appreciate the "best EVER"

Do whatever you want bro. I was just stating my opinion. However, you never know when a 90 year may come around and might want to debate you. What are you gonna do, say you saw a highlight film on Sammy Baugh? I could whip up a 5 minute tape that would make (GULP) Brian Griese look like the greatest QB of all time.
That's why I (ME, MYself, not you.... ME) never say the best EVER! I havent seen everyone play.

FADERPROOF

07-01-2005, 05:46 PM

Hey, it's your opinion and I am not telling you you're wrong, but......

How do you have Manning 3 spots ahead of Brady? Did'nt Brady beat Manning on his way to 3 super bowl titles?

Because Brady's team has gotten farther, but Manning is the better QB of them 2.

Hogan11

07-01-2005, 05:47 PM

I wasn't around whe FDR was President, but I know he was a great President. Just because we never saw them play doesn't mean we can't appreciate the "best EVER"

Agreed....An appreciation of history should never discounted because someone wasn't "around when it happened".

How the hell are you anyway Philly? Where you been at??

phillybroncosnut

07-01-2005, 05:48 PM

Because Brady's team has gotten farther, but Manning is the better QB of them 2.

Debatable. I'd take Brady myself. Manning definately has the stats, Brady definately has the gold.

Rocket 7

07-01-2005, 05:50 PM

Do whatever you want bro. I was just stating my opinion. However, you never know when a 90 year may come around and might want to debate you. What are you gonna do, say you saw a highlight film on Sammy Baugh? I could whip up a 5 minute tape that would make (GULP) Brian Griese look like the greatest QB of all time.
That's why I (ME, MYself, not you.... ME) never say the best EVER! I havent seen everyone play.
Alright cool. Opinions are like a-holes. Everybody gots one. You made yours and I made mine. Anyways no hard feelings

phillybroncosnut

07-01-2005, 05:52 PM

Agreed....An appreciation of history should never discounted because someone wasn't "around when it happened".

How the hell are you anyway Philly? Where you been at??

What up Hog.....

I didn't say they should'nt be appreciated bro. I, for my own reasons, can't call someone the greatest ever if I personally havent seen them play. Thats just me.

Anyway. I've been lurking bro. Just not much to post about that's all. You picked a good time to jump off the Expos/Nats fan club dumbass. Do me a favor, swear off the Broncos bro. Hopefully the Broncos will rule the division if you jump ship. :boxing:
Looks like the Flyboys will be slapping the puck around soon (gawd I hope). How about the farm clubs bro. The Phantoms win the cup and there should be 5 or 6 guys coming right up to the Flyers. Also, the ECHL afiliate, Trenton Titans won the cup. Could have been our year bro.
Sup with you?

FADERPROOF

07-01-2005, 05:54 PM

Debatable. I'd take Brady myself. Manning definately has the stats, Brady definately has the gold.

Brady is a picture perfect QB for the system he has, but isn't nearly as talented as Manning. I'd say if the roles were switched, manning would have some rings while Brady would be struggling to get to the Super Bowl.

phillybroncosnut

07-01-2005, 05:54 PM

Alright cool. Opinions are like a-holes. Everybody gots one. You made yours and I made mine. Anyways no hard feelings

Hard feelings? Never man!

phillybroncosnut

07-01-2005, 05:56 PM

Brady is a picture perfect QB for the system he has, but isn't nearly as talented as Manning. I'd say if the roles were switched, manning would have some rings while Brady would be struggling to get to the Super Bowl.

Could be, but answer these 2 questions about Brady:

1-Why were the Patriots under .500 (the year they won their first title) with a pro bowl QB in Drew Bledsoe if it's the system?
2-How did the Pats then win something like 12 games in a row including the super bowl when Bledsoe got hurt and Brady stepped in.

FADERPROOF

07-01-2005, 05:59 PM

Could be, but answer these 2 questions about Brady:

1-Why were the Patriots under .500 (the year they won their first title) with a pro bowl QB in Drew Bledsoe if it's the system?
2-How did the Pats then win something like 12 games in a row including the super bowl when Bledsoe got hurt and Brady stepped in.

Because Brady is a picture perfect QB for that system, and as we've seen the past couple years, Bledsoe is on the decline of his career. Drew was a great player in his prime(that Manning is in now), but injuries along with age have termnated the game he once had.

Brady stepped in and was the perfect fit for the Patriots puzzle, and the rest is history.

phillybroncosnut

07-01-2005, 06:04 PM

Because Brady is a picture perfect QB for that system, and as we've seen the past couple years, Bledsoe is on the decline of his career. Drew was a great player in his prime(that Manning is in now), but injuries along with age have termnated the game he once had.

Brady stepped in and was the perfect fit for the Patriots puzzle, and the rest is history.

It's hard to say who's right in this debate because it's all speculation and opinion.
One thing I will say though is that I view the comparison of Brady and Manning pretty much the same as Montana vs Marino.
Montana had the better D and supporting cast but Marino had all the stats but little playoff success.
Brady has the better D but Manning has the better supporting cast and the stats but Brady always beats Manning to the ring.
Funny how you have Montana ahead of Marino but Manning ahead of Brady. Not a knock, just an observation.

Arkie

07-01-2005, 06:08 PM

I wasn't around whe FDR was President, but I know he was a great President. Just because we never saw them play doesn't mean we can't appreciate the "best EVER"

That's right. I'm going to tell my grandkids about the great John Elway. They will see his highlights and read about him and hopefully put him in their top ten.

FADERPROOF

07-01-2005, 06:09 PM

It's hard to say who's right in this debate because it's all speculation and opinion.
One thing I will say though is that I view the comparison of Brady and Manning pretty much the same as Montana vs Marino.
Montana had the better D and supporting cast but Marino had all the stats but little playoff success.
Brady has the better D but Manning has the better supporting cast and the stats but Brady always beats Manning to the ring.
Funny how you have Montana ahead of Marino but Manning ahead of Brady. Not a knock, just an observation.

Yes I can see the contradiction in that, but Brady is still a young boy, I don't think people will really grip the dynamic that he possesses(including myself) until he hangs them up and we look back on his astonishing career.

3 SB's in 4 years is amazing, but his career has only been 4 years still.

Same goes for Manning, Marino dropped back behind Montana because we know that he never won a SB and never even got a shot at it from 1984 on, but right now at 28 years old, Manning and the Colts have a shot to win it year and year out and if/once Manning does it, he would shoot up some people top 10 lists some more.

Hogan11

07-01-2005, 06:09 PM

What up Hog.....

I didn't say they should'nt be appreciated bro. I, for my own reasons, can't call someone the greatest ever if I personally havent seen them play. Thats just me.

No biggie....it does bother me though, especially when some sell someone like Floyd Little short because of that...I can't ignore some great just because I've never seen him play, to me, that's crazy....so I suppose we differ on that.

Anyway. I've been lurking bro. Just not much to post about that's all. You picked a good time to jump off the Expos/Nats fan club dumbass. Do me a favor, swear off the Broncos bro. Hopefully the Broncos will rule the division if you jump ship. :boxing:

I grew up an Expos fan...not a Nats fan...when they left town, they left me behind....I moved onto Pittsburgh, who unfortunately have tanked in recent days (which is more of what I'm used to anyways where baseball is concerned, unfortunately)......not a chance on abandoning the Broncos though, till death or relocation do I part...deal with it, I'm here for life! Ha!

Looks like the Flyboys will be slapping the puck around soon (gawd I hope). How about the farm clubs bro. The Phantoms win the cup and there should be 5 or 6 guys coming right up to the Flyers. Also, the ECHL afiliate, Trenton Titans won the cup. Could have been our year bro.
Sup with you?

It was a tough year without the Flyers to root on....hopefully, they will return to the ice soon. Very impressed with the farm though, that's always great to see. As to what I've been doing.....been traveling around some, seeing shows...just living on living....you know, the usual Ha!

phillybroncosnut

07-01-2005, 06:09 PM

That's right. I'm going to tell my grandkids about the great John Elway. They will see his highlights and read about him and hopefully put him in their top ten.

That is one of the major reasons I have about 50 game tapes of Elway.

phillybroncosnut

07-01-2005, 06:14 PM

Yes I can see the contradiction in that, but Brady is still a young boy, I don't think people will really grip the dynamic that he possesses(including myself) until he hangs them up and we look back on his astonishing career.

3 SB's in 4 years is amazing, but his career has only been 4 years still.

Same goes for Manning, Marino dropped back behind Montana because we know that he never won a SB and never even got a shot at it from 1984 on, but right now at 28 years old, Manning and the Colts have a shot to win it year and year out and if/once Manning does it, he would shoot up some people top 10 lists some more.

Dude, trust me, Manning is right there on My list. He is probably 7 or 8. He's a stud. If/When he wins a title, no doubt he will cement his way on to people's lists.

FADERPROOF

07-01-2005, 06:17 PM

No biggie....it does bother me though, especially when some sell someone like Floyd Little short because of that...I can't ignore some great just because I've never seen him play, to me, that's crazy....so I suppose we differ on that.

I grew up an Expos fan...not a Nats fan...when they left town, they left me behind....I moved onto Pittsburgh, who unfortunately have tanked in recent days (which is more of what I'm used to anyways where baseball is concerned, unfortunately)......not a chance on abandoning the Broncos though, till death or relocation do I part...deal with it, I'm here for life! Ha!

Me and my dad usually clash when it comes to football(Broncos vs. Browns stuff), but the one thing we'll always agree on is how much Floyd Little has been robbed of the HOF.

My dad grew up watching football in the 60's and remembers him well, I trust his judgment when it comes to players.

FADERPROOF

07-01-2005, 06:19 PM

Dude, trust me, Manning is right there on My list. He is probably 7 or 8. He's a stud. If/When he wins a title, no doubt he will cement his way on to people's lists.

Yep, that's just my reasoning on the Manning/Brady compared to Marino/Montana situation.

We know how both Marino and Montana's careers ended, but it's still up for grabs with the Brady/Manning debate. Manning has 7-10 years to win a SB, if he does then he's going to be on everyone's top 10 list, if he doesnt then he'll suffer the consequences that Marino suffers, being constantly ranked lower than other guys that have won super bowls.

Bob's your Information Minister

07-01-2005, 06:27 PM

Young did more with less than Montana ever did bub.

Good Christ. Are you high?

clarker

07-01-2005, 07:17 PM

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
3. Dan Marino
4. Joe Montana
5. Sammy Baugh
6. Terry Bradshaw
7. Roger Staubach
8. Brett Favre
9. Steve Young
10. Tom Brady

Sir Mawn

07-01-2005, 11:13 PM

Good Christ. Are you high?

Young would've easily matched Montana's results with that same team. No question.

Now if you ask me, Young was the better athlete and had the bigger heart.

Steve Young is one of the the greatest QB's to have ever played the game.

DBroncos4life

07-01-2005, 11:45 PM

That is incorrect in every senseof the word.

The guy has 3 superbowl rings. He won one. Vinatieri won one and their defense won one.

Dont get me wrong, I think he is a fine QB and I think someday he MAY become one of the top 10, but right now he isnt even a top 50 QB.

Brady may end up with more then 5 rings. If his stats keep up (using a avg of his three years starting) he will finish with just under 40000 yards, 264 td passes, and only 144 INT's. Thats if he only plays 7 more years. I know its early yet but he will be amoung the NFL greats.

DBroncos4life

07-01-2005, 11:48 PM

Im not sure how my list would play out but I think two guys that I didn't see on here that would make my list would be Boomer Esiason and Sonny Jerg. Why I don't know I just think they could ball. Hell even Mannings dad should get some love.

SoCalBronco

07-01-2005, 11:51 PM

Im not sure how my list would play out but I think two guys that I didn't see on here that would make my list would be Boomer Easison (sp) and Sonny Jerg. Why I don't know I just think they could ball. Hell even Mannings dad should get some love.

I think Turner Gill and Tommie Frazier should definitely be on this list.

Rocket 7

07-01-2005, 11:58 PM

I think Turner Gill and Tommie Frazier should definitely be on this list.
Don't leave out Eric Crouch

SoCalBronco

07-02-2005, 12:02 AM

Don't leave out Eric Crouch

Scott Frost also is deserving of the Top 10.

Rocket 7

07-02-2005, 12:17 AM

Scott Frost also is deserving of the Top 10.
What about Tony Rice?

orange 4 life

07-02-2005, 12:25 PM

Very true, I didn't list Farve on my list just because he is still playing! If he had retired like if wish he would have he would have found his way on instead of Moon. I can't put Young on the list because he spent half of his career on the bench, passer rating was awesome but probably would not been so high if he played a little more it was already dropping towards the end, and he was injury plagued. I know I put Namath on the list too, but he also meant more to the history of the game.

i didnt put namath on the list because he had ONE great season in which he threw for 4000 yards (1st to do so) and ONE guarantee for a superbowl win.
HE didnt deliver on that guarantee. thats my problem with the whole thing.
the jets won that game for two reasons, and he aint one of them.
they won because of the defense and matt snell.
go look at the score of that game. namath had little to do with it.

as for young, he did spend time in the usfl and on the bench, but here's the thing.
he SHOULDNT have been on the bench, and when finally given the chance to start in san fran he won another superbowl and did it with BETTER stats than montana.
had young not played in the usfl and started over montana like he shouldve, he'd be a CLEAR CUT #2 on the list, and the only man in the history of the game that actually couldve challenged elway for the #1 spot.
he was that good.

jake

orange 4 life

07-02-2005, 12:33 PM

another thing on namath.

yes, stats were diffferent then (as they were with elway compared to todays qb's), but namath threw more incompletions than completions (his career % is just under 50), and he threw more interceptions than td's.

poor lifetime stats even for that era.

Kaylore

07-02-2005, 12:42 PM

i didnt put namath on the list because he had ONE great season in which he threw for 4000 yards (1st to do so) and ONE guarantee for a superbowl win.
HE didnt deliver on that guarantee. thats my problem with the whole thing.
the jets won that game for two reasons, and he aint one of them.
they won because of the defense and matt snell.
go look at the score of that game. namath had little to do with it.

as for young, he did spend time in the usfl and on the bench, but here's the thing.
he SHOULDNT have been on the bench, and when finally given the chance to start in san fran he won another superbowl and did it with BETTER stats than montana.
had young not played in the usfl and started over montana like he shouldve, he'd be a CLEAR CUT #2 on the list, and the only man in the history of the game that actually couldve challenged elway for the #1 spot.
he was that good.

jake

Generally I agree, but Namath was really good about picking up the Colts blitzes and hiting his open receivers that game. Namath didn't score, but if you ask Don Shula, he'll tell you he was impressed with Namath's ability to beat their blitz the entire game.

Sir Mawn

07-02-2005, 12:47 PM

as for young, he did spend time in the usfl and on the bench, but here's the thing.
he SHOULDNT have been on the bench, and when finally given the chance to start in san fran he won another superbowl and did it with BETTER stats than montana.
had young not played in the usfl and started over montana like he shouldve, he'd be a CLEAR CUT #2 on the list, and the only man in the history of the game that actually couldve challenged elway for the #1 spot.
he was that good.

jake

Agreed 100%. I just finished watching the highlights from his Superbowl victory. The guy led what is arguably the greatest offense the NFL has ever seen.

yavoon

07-02-2005, 12:49 PM

e chance to start in san fran he won another superbowl and did it with BETTER stats than montana.
had young not played in the usfl and started over montana like he shouldve, he'd be a CLEAR CUT #2 on the list, and the only man in the history of the game that actually couldve challenged elway for the #1 spot.
he was that good.

jake

u mean that much like john elway. haha ur so transparent.

Rocket 7

02-16-2006, 11:09 PM

bump for offseason debate

Northman

02-17-2006, 03:25 AM

Could never do a top 10, at least not without getting hounded by you guys for it. I just never saw a lot of the older players play and i know there are some great ones in there so its really totally subjective at this point. Are a lot of you basing it on your personal feelings? or based on reputation and stats? Personally, i could only post a top 10 based on what I have seen in my lifetime.

Orange_Beard

02-17-2006, 06:31 AM

I'm a homer :~ohyah!:

no s**t

montrose

02-17-2006, 06:33 AM

1) Elway
2) Marino
3) Unitus
4) Bradshaw
5) Young
6) Brady
7) Manning
8) Tarkenton
9) Montana
10) Favre

Darkhawk24

02-17-2006, 06:59 AM

Just tossing this out there.. Why does Aikman not make the lower tier of a top ten for getting some hardware when guys like Montana, Bradshaw, Brady ect.. leap the lists due to the fact that they were first and formost a winner?

Not that I would put Aikman in mine either just a thought that crossed my mind and figured it would be good for discussion!

watermock

02-17-2006, 07:37 AM

You can make arguments for alot of QB's but it's very hard to put them in an order.

Of course, Brian Griese is first...Ha! I'm just giving him grief.

Elway, Montana, Fouts, Tarkenton, Unitas (don't really remember him)...Brady deserves some rep...no he's not dominant but he's clutch...Manning the egghead of course with the record....Favre...

They come and they go like whores in the brothel....man it's so damn cold here the insulation isn't good enough up here...feel the cold thru the walls...House is 90 years old....but rather cool...too cool today...

epicSocialism4tw

02-17-2006, 07:40 AM

1 Elway
2 Otto Graham
3 John Unitas
4 Brett Favre
5 Bart Starr
6 Joe Montana
7 Dan Marino
8 Peyton Manning
9 Tarkenton
10 Steve Young

I like the guys that were truly their team's MVP for the better part of their career. The guys that shouldered the heavy load and made the significant plays for their team. That's why Montana is relatively low on my list. I dont think that he was the best player on his team. That was Rice. The old-school guys were tough sons of guns that willed their teams to victory. There arent alot like them nowadays. I would say that Elway and Favre have been the closest thing.

To top my list, you have to have been the franchise (was Montana the franchise?). You get bonus points for wins, and get the most points for wins like John Elway could pull out. Looking back, he might be the most clutch player in NFL history.

DennisSmithHOF

02-17-2006, 07:52 AM

1. John Elway
2. Frank Tripucka
3. Craig Morton
4. Charley Johnson
5. Jake Plummer
6. Norris Weese
7. Brian Griese
8. Gary Kubiak
9. Marlin Briscoe
10. Bubby Brister
11. Steve Beurlien

bronco_diesel

02-17-2006, 08:39 AM

1. steve deberg
2. trent dilfer
3. rich gannon
4. elvis grbac
5. gary kubiak
6. gus ferrotte
7. vinny testaverde
8. bernie kosar
9. randall cunningham
10. dan marino

Maximus

02-17-2006, 09:11 AM

In no particular order.

1. Dan Marino - Superbowl Champion or not... He could throw the rock... Unstoppable.
2. Dan Fouts - Took a beating in the pocket, but he still got the job done.
3. Warren Moon - Never got enough recognition for the skills that he possessed.
4. Joe Montana - Always looked composed... One of the best 2 minute QB's ever.
5. Fran Tarkenton - Avoided a lot of sacks with that half turn of his.
6. Ken Stabler - I don't remember stabler ever getting his jersey dirty.
7. Johnny Unitas - Probably the best pure passer of them all... Great touch!
8. John Elway - Cannon arm and single handedly raised the world price of Oats!
9. Steve Young - The best mobile QB ever (Period) Vince Young should take lessons (Pump Fake).
10. Jim Plunkett - Won More SB's than most QB's on this list!

freak6

02-17-2006, 09:48 AM

1. steve deberg
2. trent dilfer
3. rich gannon
4. elvis grbac
5. gary kubiak
6. gus ferrotte
7. vinny testaverde
8. bernie kosar
9. randall cunningham
10. dan marino

lol

My list starts off with greatest QB, not greatest Football player ever, which is John Elway hands down. Namath shouldn't be on anyones top 20 list btw.

1. Montana -stats, most rings, most clutch
2. Elway - stats, rings, out on top,
3. Farve - stats and a ring
4. Unitas - stats and rings
5. Marino - great stats
6. Young - ring, decent stats
7. At this point it gets hazy but I am gonna put Moon, he would've had much better numbers had he gone str8 to the nfl
8. Manning
9. Staubach 5 str8 Pro Bowls
10. Brady

broncofan

02-17-2006, 09:49 AM

I'm only 21, so I really have never watched some of the greatest QBs to ever play. I've watched some old film and seen stats, but it would be pretty difficult for me to rank players I've never watched. So, I'll rank the top ten QBs of my era...

1) Elway
2) Young
3) Marino
4) Favre
5) P Manning
6) Simms
7) Aikman
8) Kelly
9) Moon
10) Montana

Lidderer

02-17-2006, 10:34 AM

I haven't seen half of these guys play, so it's a bit disingenuous to put someone like otta graham on my list. So here's just a list of my personal faves, which can and should be ignored for the most part:

1) Bernie Kosar
2) Kerwin Bell
3) Bobby Hebert
4) Jake Plummer
5) Don Majkowski
6) Stan Gelbaugh
7) Cody Carlson
8) Chris freaking Chandler
9) Jeff Hostettler
10) Dan McGwuire

ColoradoBuff

02-17-2006, 10:50 AM

#1 John Elway
#2 John Elway
#3 John Elway
#4 John Elway
#5 John Elway
#6 John Elway
#7 John Elway
#8 John Elway
#9 John Elway
#10 Craig Morton

Now that is what I am talking about!:thumbsup:

BMF Bronco

02-17-2006, 11:14 AM

Scott Frost also is deserving of the Top 10.
Piss off, get of the nebraska boys.

ROYC75

02-17-2006, 11:20 AM

WOW, a homer question if I have ever seen one.

IMHO, Each generation had there own superstar QB's . What the qb's like Baugh,Graham did in there time would be an average at best QB in today's NFL. Each QB had his talents and reasons to be selected in these conversations.

As the game moved forwards, the players got better, the rules changed, many things seperate the old from the new.

Namath, Griese, Dawson, Jurgenson were all good, but allof them would be average in todays NFL.

You can spin this topic many ways, any way you want, who had talent, who has rings, who performed in the big games. So many factors go into how a QB performed by his teamates around him.

Dan Marino was in a pass happy offense, much like the way Dan Fouts was. But Fouts is a blimp on the passing charts next to Marino. Why ? Players that surround him.

Elway, Young were slingers as well, but had to have a good supporting cast to get to the big dance. John Elways performance in the SB's were horrid until TD came along, he tried to will a win upon his team but it took talent to do it.

You can take Montana, a guy with better than average talent and support him to all those rings, same as Bradshaw.

If I were to select one QB that stands out as his talent along was the only reason they got to a SB or NFL Championship game, Otto Graham. It was great to watch back then, but today that kind of sloppy ball wouldn't make it as a 3rd stringer on the bench.

Peyton Manning will probally break Marino's records, then some other punk ass kid will come along and do so, so on and so on.

It is probally best to divide each generation and select a QB for his time,

This can be done with any player in the NFL, look at the RB's. IMHO, Jim Brown was probally the most powerful runner that teams feared. But today if he was in his prime, he wouldn't be. Defenses are bigger , stronger and faster. Larry Johnson comes as close to Jim Brown's running style as I have ever seen. It's just a matter of time before all that pounding breaks his body down, ala Jim Brown , reason he quit in his prime, just worn out.

IMHO, the most exciting player to ever watch was Barry Sanders, that kid done everything and then found new ways to do it.

Break it down to generations guys, it's only fair, the game and the players are changing each generation.

No1BroncoFan

02-17-2006, 01:34 PM

1.) Elway
2.)Who cares after #1?

Ben

No1BroncoFan

02-17-2006, 01:36 PM

WOW, a homer question if I have ever seen one.
Only because KC has never had a QB that can make an all-time list outside of all-time great Chiefs. All-time great Chiefs? That's an oxymoron if there ever was one!

Ben

clarker

02-17-2006, 02:34 PM

1. John Elway
2. Johnny Unitas
2. Dan Marino
4. Otto Graham
5. Brett Favre
6. Steve Young
7. Joe Montana
8. Sammy Baugh
9. Roger Staubach(SP?)
10. Warren Moon

12th man

02-17-2006, 02:48 PM

1. John Elway
2. Unitis
3. Favre
4. Marino
5. Young
6 roger stauback sp.
7.Bradshaw
8. Montana
9.Warren Moon
10. randell cunhingham

Rock Chalk

02-17-2006, 03:29 PM

#1 John Elway
#2 John Elway
#3 John Elway
#4 John Elway
#5 John Elway
#6 John Elway
#7 John Elway
#8 John Elway
#9 John Elway
#10 Craig Morton
Heh, this might be the fastest All Bronco QB reply for this annual thread.

Gcver2ver3

02-17-2006, 04:01 PM

I here by petition for Taco John to remove any list that doesn't have Elway number 1........

You have the power TJ.....do it...it's gotta be done....

c'mon...what's right is right......

broncsyanks

02-17-2006, 04:35 PM

http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=149027&func=3&channel=wmb_aol

hey guys i ahve been arguing this point for a long tiem here on this board that i listed. the guy is as arogant and biased cowgirl fan. i would appreciate any support here on this thread. click on pavano's back threads and you will find me arguing with this idiot regarding elway being the best. IMO he is. there might be some legitimate arguments but i wont get any support from yankee fans because they really could care less about the broncos. but this guy is an idiot. now yes i know what you are all going to say that yankess suk blah blah blah., and that is cool but this is about elway. put the baseball things aside, i love my broncos and elway is the best. i would love to see some support with this idiot. thanks and GO BRONCOS!!!
IN-COM-PLETE!!

oh yeah..
elway montana, aikman, and brady and farve. thats my opinion

Tombstone RJ

02-17-2006, 07:02 PM

1) elway
2) marino
3) unitas
4) young
5) montana
6) tarkenton
7) starr
8) moon
9) fouts
10) favre

I agree with this, with a couple of exceptions:

1. Elway
2. Montana
3. Young
4. Unitas
5. Moon (dude never had any talent around him)
6. Tarkenton
7. Fouts
8. Marino
9. Brady (he's still young)
10. Manning (he's still young, and if you like Marino, bingo)

No thanks to Favre. Overrated, and on a team that people like to focus on way too much.

Bob's your Information Minister

02-17-2006, 07:04 PM

Steve Young doesn't belong in the top five.

watermock

02-17-2006, 07:12 PM

C'mon Bob...Trint is a top 10 QB...right?

JCMElway

02-17-2006, 07:18 PM

#1 John Elway
#2 Johnny Unitas
#3 Joe Montana
#4 Otto Graham
#5 Dan Marino
#6 Sammy Baugh
#7 Roger Staubach
#8 Brett Favre
#9 Fran Tarkenton
#10 Terry Bradshaw

1. Elway
2. Montana
3. Graham
4. Marino
5. Baugh
6. Staubach
7. Fouts
8. B Layne
9. Kelly
10. Brady

Tombstone RJ

02-17-2006, 07:19 PM

Steve Young doesn't belong in the top five.

And Favre does?

Bob's your Information Minister

02-17-2006, 08:05 PM

And Favre does?

Certainly not.

Sir Mawn

02-18-2006, 08:13 AM

Steve Young doesn't belong in the top five.

Once again, I beg to differ.

Broncoman13

02-18-2006, 08:33 AM

I didn't start watching football until about the mid 1980's (10 or so years old) and really couldn't appreciate a really good QB at that time. So with that in mind my list would include the likes of Steve Young, Favre, Marino, Elway, and Manning. Don't know if they're in the top 10 of all time, but certainly in the top 10 of when I started watching!!!

Rocket 7

02-18-2006, 11:06 PM

Arkie

02-18-2006, 11:32 PM

This I disagree with. Sammy Baugh and Otto Graham would be better than average if they played in todays NFL. Either you have it or you don't. God givin or what you may call it. Their are certain players who were born to be great QB's. You cannot coach poise. You cannot coach leadership. IMO a great player would be great today, tommorrow, and yesterday.

That is very true. Sammy Baugh would be great today if he were given everything modern athletes get (equipment and training.) It would be different if he went forward in a time machine into the present times with his leather helmet. He would get killed.

Dr. Broncenstein

02-18-2006, 11:44 PM

I can't believe some have P-Manning in their lists... he'd make my top-10 douche bag list.... because he is a bag of douche.

BroncoBuff

02-19-2006, 12:42 AM

It depends entirely upon the criteria. Pure skills, or leadership and wins?

FOR EXAMPLE:
1) If the Top 10 is based on SKILLS-SET ONLY, then Montana and Unitas don't even crack the Top 10 ... but stupid Randall Cunningham is in the Top 5, and Dan Marino's in the Top 10.
2) But if it's leadership and victories, Montana and Unitas are 1-2, and Cunningham is nowhere (where he belongs), and sadly so is Marino.

I'll submit a hybrid Top 10 - 50% Skills, 50% Leadership

1. John Elway
2. Terry Bradshaw
3. Roger Staubach
4. Steve Young (if its skills only, he's #1)
5. Johnny Unitas
6. Joe Montana
7. Bart Starr (light on skills, but FIVE championships, 2 SB MVPs)
8. Tom Brady
9. Jim Kelly
10. Troy Aikman

Rocket 7

02-19-2006, 12:52 AM

BroncoBuff

02-19-2006, 01:03 AM

TOP TEN (by category)
SKILLS ONLY
1. Steve Young
2. John Elway
3. Randall Cunningham
4. Fran Tarkenton
5. Terry Bradshaw
7. Jim Kelly
8. Marino/Fouts/Namath (all three are the same guy – Hall of Fame arms, no legs)
9. Warren Moon / Roger Staubach
10. Donovan McNabb(?) Bert Jones (?) Jeff George (?) (Remember - "skills only" category!)

LEADERSHIP ONLY
1. Joe Montana
2. Bart Starr
3. John Elway
4. Tom Brady
5. Johnny Unitas
6. Roger Staubach
7. Troy Aikman
8. Bob Griese
9. Jim Kelly
10. Terry Bradshaw (would've been higher until his medical depression became known, and how he was alienated and distanced from his teammates because of it.)

Rocket 7

02-19-2006, 01:05 AM

On the Leadership only list why wasn't Otto Graham included?

SoCalBronco

02-19-2006, 01:07 AM

1.) Elway
2.)Who cares after #1?

Ben

That's pretty much on target.

BroncoBuff

02-19-2006, 01:09 AM

On the Leadership only list why wasn't Otto Graham included?
I was kinda skipping the pre-AFL days ... mostly because I don't know that much about Otto Graham, Bobby Layne, Y.A. Tittle, Sammy Baugh, Norm Van Brocklin or Bob Waterfield.

I love this page, though: http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/positions.jsp There's only 23 QBs in the hall (and 5 of them were added the last 2 years alone).

I like to look at this page when I think about Gradishar and Zimmerman getting shafted (and starting next year if Atwater gets the shaft). Somehow it comforts me to see how few guys are actually in there ...

.

Atwater

02-19-2006, 01:10 AM

#1 Elway
#2 Moon
#3 Unitas
#4 Aikman
#5 Bradshaw
#6 young
#7 Montana
#8 Bob Greise
#9 Kelly
#10 Marino(Good but never won a SuperBowl)

Atwater

02-19-2006, 01:17 AM

Don't know much about Norm Van Brocklin or Bob Waterfield either.

I love this page: http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/positions.jsp There's only 23 QBs in the hall (and 4 were added the last 2 years alone).

I like to look at this page when I think about Gradishar and Zimmerman getting shafted (and starting next year if Atwater gets the shaft). Somehow it comforts me to see how few guys are actually in there ...

I hope I dont get shafted J/K I hope that Atwater makes it to the hall of fame on day.

BroncoBuff

02-19-2006, 01:20 AM

I hope I dont get shafted J/K I hope that Atwater makes it to the hall of fame on day.
Well, next year is your first shot, Steve ... here's my thread on Broncos HOF chances from a month ago ... you figure quite prominently! http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=37601

Bob's your Information Minister

02-19-2006, 02:03 AM

#1 Elway
#2 Moon
#3 Unitas
#4 Aikman
#5 Bradshaw
#6 young
#7 Montana
#8 Bob Greise
#9 Kelly
#10 Marino(Good but never won a SuperBowl)

Hahahaha. Aikman doesn't hold a candle to Dan Marino. F*ck! You ranked AIKMAN over JOE MONTANA? Hilarious!

Bob's your Information Minister

02-19-2006, 02:04 AM

10. Terry Bradshaw (would've been higher until his medical depression became known, and how he was alienated and distanced from his teammates because of it.)

What happened here?

Atwater

02-19-2006, 02:16 AM

Hahahaha. Aikman doesn't hold a candle to Dan Marino. ****! You ranked AIKMAN over JOE MONTANA? Hilarious!
Aikman was better than Marino he won 3 Superbowls and Marino won well none Hilarious! .

BroncoBuff

02-19-2006, 02:21 AM

What happened here?
Bradshaw went public in 2000 or 2001 with his longtime battle with clinical depression. It came out that, although he was an on-field leader of the Steelers, he was never at any parties, and never socialized with a single teammate. Too busy crying at home. Seriously, depression is medical - the brain's synaptic clefts drain out the chemical SEROTONIN too fast, leaving the synapses dry, and leaving the person vulnerable to crushing sadness every waking hour, and in every aspect of life.

Bradshaw's gotta lotta balls to come out with that. It had even affected his FOX NFL work. Apparently, far from the friendly guy he seemed to be, actually nobody ever saw him off the set. Howie Long said he only saw Terry "when the camera went on." Things got so bad at a Super Bowl (might've been the Broncos/Green Bay SB) that Bradshaw missed part of the pregame show.

After 30 years, the poor bastard finally learned what his problem was and got medication in 98 or 99 ... went public in I think 2001.

Atwater

02-19-2006, 02:23 AM

Bradshwa went public in 2000 or 2001 with his longtime battle with clinical depression. It came out that, although he was an on-field leader of the Steelers, he was never at any parties, and never socialized with a single teammate. Too busy crying at home. Seriously, depression is medical - the brain's synaptic clefts drain out the chemical SEROTONIN too fast, leaving the synapses dry, and leaving the person vulnerable to crushing sadness every waking hour, and in every aspect of life.

Bradshaw's gotta lotta balls to come out with that. It had even affected his FOX NFL work. Apparently, far from the friendly guy he seemed to be, actually nobody ever saw him off the set. Howie Long said he only saw Terry "when the camera went on." Things got so bad at a Super Bowl (might've been the Broncos/Green Bay SB) that Bradshaw missed part of the pregame show.

After 30 years, the poor bastard finnally got medication in 98 or 99 ... went public in I think 2001.

Also sometimes players geting five or more concusions during there carer can get clinical depression later in life.

Rocket 7

02-19-2006, 02:31 AM

Aikman was better than Marino he won 3 Superbowls and Marino won well none Hilarious! .
I gotta go with Bob on this on. Aikman was on a better team but he was never a better quarterback than Marino.

ROYC75

02-19-2006, 09:25 AM

Only because KC has never had a QB that can make an all-time list outside of all-time great Chiefs. All-time great Chiefs? That's an oxymoron if there ever was one!

Ben

Yep, it was a homer question on a Bronco BB, take the same question to 31 other NFL BB and get your results.

BTW, check the sig, it has a telling story to your homerism.

clarker

02-19-2006, 09:32 AM

Yep, it was a homer question on a Bronco BB, take the same question to 31 other NFL BB and get your results.

BTW, check the sig, it has a telling story to your homerism.You could take the same question to 31 other message boards and you would see John Elway ranked in the top 5 about 95% of the time. You could take the same question to any teams message board except a Chiefs one and you wouldn't get one Chiefs QB in it at all about 99.999999% of the time.

And don't try to count Montana, no one remembers him in those clown uniforms. They remember him as a Niner.

ROYC75

02-20-2006, 03:27 PM

You could take the same question to 31 other message boards and you would see John Elway ranked in the top 5 about 95% of the time. You could take the same question to any teams message board except a Chiefs one and you wouldn't get one Chiefs QB in it at all about 99.999999% of the time.

And don't try to count Montana, no one remembers him in those clown uniforms. They remember him as a Niner.

Not at CP, that question was done asked and polled, yep horseface made top 5.

Yes, Elway was good, but not the greatest as DonkeyNation wants to believe.

FWIW, I would say top 3 if you had to put them all together in one group, but like I said, each should be graded on their own time frame, century.