Top 10 College coaches

[FADERPROOF]

This is just an opinions thread, but let's see what you got college football fan, here's mine:

1. Bob Stoops, OU - Yes, his team has been blown out 2 years in a row in the NC game, but 5 straight years of winning 11 games cannot be looked over.

2. Pete Carroll, USC - 2 straight NC's(one split NC though), most would say he's #1 but with the loads of talent on that team, it isn't hard to look good, plus USC didn't dominate much last year.

3. Jim Tressel, OSU - 33-6 record the past 3 seasons including a NC, along with solid recruiting that has geared Ohio State up for more NC runs.

4. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa - Is more like 3b instead of 4th, only thing missing is a NC, but has 2 split Big 10 titles in the last 3 years without the abundance of talent that OSU and Michigan have, and now Ferentz is proving to be a great recruiter as well

5. Frank Beamer, VT - Beamer works with what he has and makes it successful, along with being a special teams guru. No one outside of Blacksburg thought the Hokies would win the ACC last year, Beamer and the boys made it happen though.

6. Mack Brown, Texas - I know, he can't win the Red River shootout and his team is always overrated. But what Mack Brown has done is create a consistent success year in ad year out for the Longhorns and have brought impressive recruiting class after class in as well.

7. Dan Hawkins, Boise State - Hawkins has Boise State on the national scale now, the last 3 years his Broncos have dominated the WAC with no real first day NFL talent, and his success there looks to continue

8. Phil Fulmer, Tennessee - Rocky Top has underacheived the past few seasons, but the Vols reaching the SEC title as winners of the SEC East was a good accomplishment, and Fulmer has brought in a great recruiting class and has Tennessee geared up for a NC run this year(not to mention sticking it to the rival Crimson Tide in the process.)

9. Bobby Bowden, FSU - Some may say that Bowden and FSU has lsot some steam over the years, and while they may look to be, Bowden is still a great coach with the last 2 recruiting seasons being very good for the 'Noles. He needs a solid QB and FSU will be a top 10 team.

10. Mark Richt, Georgia - Richt has brought UGA consistent success, no matter who comes and goes. His recruiting classes are top notch and he always has the dawgs fighting for the SEC title, can't ask much more from him.

Just missed:Jeff Tedford, California; Pat Hill, Fresno State; Bobby Petrino, Louisville; Steve Spurrier, South Carolina(will make a big jump once his success starts showing, but as an unknown again, he has to wait his turn)

Thoughts?

[RhymesayersDU]

3. Jim Tressel, OSU - 33-6 record the past 3 seasons including a NC, along with solid recruiting (which includes giving cars away to top players) that has geared Ohio State up for more NC runs.

:)

[SouthStndJunkie]

I am surprised you did not try and sneak Jim Tressel in the top slot.

SSJ

[FADERPROOF]

I am surprised you did not try and sneak Jim Tressel in the top slot.

SSJ

I'm even not that much of a homer, I did seem to miss a certain coach from that school up north on my top 10 list though.

[FADERPROOF]

:)

Go start some Nuggets threads or something ;)

[SouthStndJunkie]

I'm even not that much of a homer, I did seem to miss a certain coach from that school up north on my top 10 list though.

Yep, you really screwed John L. Smith over.

SSJ

[SouthStndJunkie]

I would not have Carr on my Top 10 list either.

SSJ

[SouthStndJunkie]

John Cooper makes my top 10 all-time list though.

SSJ

[NFLBRONCO]

WTF no Barnett :)

[NFLBRONCO]

I would not have Carr on my Top 10 list either.

SSJ


As you know I'm a fan of Mich but, I agree Carr does not deserve on the list.

[SoCalBronco]

This is just an opinions thread, but let's see what you got college football fan, here's mine:

1. Bob Stoops, OU - Yes, his team has been blown out 2 years in a row in the NC game, but 5 straight years of winning 11 games cannot be looked over.

2. Pete Carroll, USC - 2 straight NC's(one split NC though), most would say he's #1 but with the loads of talent on that team, it isn't hard to look good, plus USC didn't dominate much last year.

3. Jim Tressel, OSU - 33-6 record the past 3 seasons including a NC, along with solid recruiting that has geared Ohio State up for more NC runs.

4. Kirk Ferentz, Iowa - Is more like 3b instead of 4th, only thing missing is a NC, but has 2 split Big 10 titles in the last 3 years without the abundance of talent that OSU and Michigan have, and now Ferentz is proving to be a great recruiter as well

5. Frank Beamer, VT - Beamer works with what he has and makes it successful, along with being a special teams guru. No one outside of Blacksburg thought the Hokies would win the ACC last year, Beamer and the boys made it happen though.

6. Mack Brown, Texas - I know, he can't win the Red River shootout and his team is always overrated. But what Mack Brown has done is create a consistent success year in ad year out for the Longhorns and have brought impressive recruiting class after class in as well.

7. Dan Hawkins, Boise State - Hawkins has Boise State on the national scale now, the last 3 years his Broncos have dominated the WAC with no real first day NFL talent, and his success there looks to continue

8. Phil Fulmer, Tennessee - Rocky Top has underacheived the past few seasons, but the Vols reaching the SEC title as winners of the SEC East was a good accomplishment, and Fulmer has brought in a great recruiting class and has Tennessee geared up for a NC run this year(not to mention sticking it to the rival Crimson Tide in the process.)

9. Bobby Bowden, FSU - Some may say that Bowden and FSU has lsot some steam over the years, and while they may look to be, Bowden is still a great coach with the last 2 recruiting seasons being very good for the 'Noles. He needs a solid QB and FSU will be a top 10 team.

10. Mark Richt, Georgia - Richt has brought UGA consistent success, no matter who comes and goes. His recruiting classes are top notch and he always has the dawgs fighting for the SEC title, can't ask much more from him.

Just missed:Jeff Tedford, California; Pat Hill, Fresno State; Bobby Petrino, Louisville; Steve Spurrier, South Carolina(will make a big jump once his success starts showing, but as an unknown again, he has to wait his turn)

Thoughts?

Its a disgrace to see Brown on that list. Stoops is overrated. Tedford and Petrino belong in the Top 5. Spurrier is a great coach and is worthy although this year he will struggle. Still, he is deserving. Pat Hill is a very good coach not quite Top 10 though. The list is pretty solid. Beamer is an excellent coach and his entire staff is top notch especially Bud Foster. Hawkins is overrated. I think more credit belongs to their offensive coordinator, Chris Petersen and former HC Dirk Koetter. Glad to see Ferentz getting recognition. I personally think June Jones should be on that list. He is almost always outmanned but the way he has adjusted the pass protection scheme that doomed the traditional Run and Shoot and incorporated the shotgun and many more screens really has helped Hawaii become one of the most feared passing offenses. I think Hal Mumme is deserving of very honorable mention and i think this year back in Division 1-A he will once again make headlines with his Air Raid Offense that he popularized at Valdosta State and Kentucky. Cant wait to see Mumme go up against Jones this year! Bobby Bowden is nothing more than a figurehead and his mention on this list is really just a testament to his past and his overall record. He is almost not involved at all in the football aspect of the program, he is just a figurehead now and sports one of the worst offensive coaching staffs in the country. His offense has been ruined by nepotism and incompetence. But he does have a good defensive staff, most notably with LB coach Kevin Steele (former Baylor coach) and DC Mickey Andrews.

Fulmer is a good solid coach as is Tressel, although i dont care for the character aspects of either of them. They are both very solid football men, no doubt. With very good staffs as well. Tressel has had a nice set of defensive coaches to go through his program to help him out in Mark Dantonio and Mark Snyder and Fulmer's coordinators, Randy Sanders and John Chavis are very good.

Pete Carroll has some great personal assets such as being a very fine defensive mind (Shanahan tried to hire him in 1995) with a great, outgoing personality and a hard worker. He has done well in recruiting and as a program head but i think in terms of pure coaching ability he is not at the level of a Tedford or a Petrino or Spurrier. He does deserve his ranking though because of how he turned the program around (much credit given to Norm Chow as well and former DL coach Ed Orgeron who was their point man in recruiting).

Other coaches, who deserve mention as being part of the cream of the crop of Division 1-A: Jim Grobe of Wake Forest, Tom O'Brien of Boston College, Mike Leach of Texas Tech (another Mumme disciple), Paul Johnson of Navy (a great, great coach at Div-1AA who is only now getting Div-1 looks), Chris Scelfo of Tulane (although he needs to win a little more), Ralph Friedgen of Maryland and Mike Price of UTEP.

I also think Coach Dick Tomey will begin to rebuild San Jose State this year and show Arizona how wrong they were to let go of him a few years ago.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Paul Johnson - the best coach no one knows.

[SoCalBronco]

Paul Johnson - the best coach no one knows.

Yep. He was legendary at Georgia Southern for his devastating triple option spread and now he finally got a Division 1a job that he so richly deserved.

[KillerBronco#76]

Mike stoops will be on that list in not too long even last season he had that arizona Defense stepping up their game id like to see what that team is like when he gets more talent and experience for them.

[SoCalBronco]

Mike stoops will be on that list in not too long even last season he had that arizona Defense stepping up their game id like to see what that team is like when he gets more talent and experience for them.

Your boy Zook, if he had half a brain would easily be on the list. Its a shame, he is the best recruiter in the country and one of the hardest workers, but just doesnt have it so far as actual coaching goes.

[KillerBronco#76]

Your boy Zook, if he had half a brain would easily be on the list. Its a shame, he is the best recruiter in the country and one of the hardest workers, but just doesnt have it so far as actual coaching goes.

This may be true but right now im just happy to get recruits that were fighting with oklahoma, usc, and other top schools for rather than losing recruits to Southern and ISU. I know Turner personaly so i cant say anything bad about the guy except for he's not a very good recruiter and ill leave it at that. Although he did get alot of good RB's.

[Bronco LB 59]

Where is the love for Joe Tiller? Since he's been in the Big Ten, Purdue has been the third best team in the conference. As much as I like John L. Smith, he has nothing on Tiller's resume.

[KillerBronco#76]

Purdue has been in 8 straight bowl games havnt they?

I remember the coach that was giving me a tour of the practice feilds and meeting rooms telling me somthing about that.

[Bronco LB 59]

Purdue has been in 8 straight bowl games havnt they?

I remember the coach that was giving me a tour of the practice feilds and meeting rooms telling me somthing about that.

Bingo! You're right. Purdue is a major threat for the Big Ten title this season. They return all 11 of their starters on defense and they don't have to play Michigan and Ohio State this season!

[Kaylore]

Hawkins is really good. His teams really know how to step up when they need too - and how can you not love an orange and blue team called the Broncos? :homer:

[SoCalBronco]

Hawkins is really good. His teams really know how to step up when they need too - and how can you not love an orange and blue team called the Broncos? :homer:

You guys had them on the ropes on the vaunted blue turf this year. Boise St. is a powerful program but Hawkins is more of a guy who communicates with his players and more of a motivator type of guy than an X and O kind of guy.

[Kaylore]

You guys had them on the ropes on the vaunted blue turf this year. Boise St. is a powerful program but Hawkins is more of a guy who communicates with his players and more of a motivator type of guy than an X and O kind of guy.
Man that game pissed me off. We came back from nothing...and Matt Payne misses the field goal. Would have broke their streak and everything.

I think I just realized why Matt Payne wasn't drafted. rofl

[illbroncsfn]

If I could hire one coach I would go for Kirk Ferentz. Excellent tactician, motivator, and recruiter- also runs a helluva coaching clinic.

[Saulbadguy]

No respect for Bill Snyder! Over the past 10 years, only Bobby Bowden has more wins than Snyder. Bill turned around the worst college football team in NCAA history to becoming a competitive team year in and year out. He is also the only coach in the Big XII that was around when the Big 8 was still a conference. I don't think i'd put him in the top 10, but he definately deserves some mention.

Plus, I don't know if i'd put Mack Brown or Beamer up that high. Also, WTF is Coker? heh.

[Mr. Trout]

No respect for Bill Snyder! Over the past 10 years, only Bobby Bowden has more wins than Snyder. Bill turned around the worst college football team in NCAA history to becoming a competitive team year in and year out. He is also the only coach in the Big XII that was around when the Big 8 was still a conference. I don't think i'd put him in the top 10, but he definately deserves some mention.

Plus, I don't know if i'd put Mack Brown or Beamer up that high. Also, WTF is Coker? heh.



Rep...Snyder should be in the top ten though. Man, K-State was horrible before he showed up.

[SoCalBronco]

No respect for Bill Snyder! Over the past 10 years, only Bobby Bowden has more wins than Snyder. Bill turned around the worst college football team in NCAA history to becoming a competitive team year in and year out. He is also the only coach in the Big XII that was around when the Big 8 was still a conference. I don't think i'd put him in the top 10, but he definately deserves some mention.

Plus, I don't know if i'd put Mack Brown or Beamer up that high. Also, WTF is Coker? heh.

Snyder probably would have made this column if it was a few years ago. I think writers have forgotten him since the team has fallen on hard times the last couple years. He is a pretty good coach but i dont think i would put him in the Top 10 though, thats a little high.

As for Coker, he isnt a Top 10 coach either. Prolly around Top 40 or so, though. And as a whole, the Miami staff isnt top notch although there are a few excellent position coaches like Art Kehoe, Curtis Johnson and Vernon Hargreaves and ofcourse a tremendous strength coach in Andreu Swasey.

Beamer is easily deserving of that Top 10 ranking. Last year he had crap for talent. Crap. And he won the ****ing conference including beating us at the Orange Bowl and having U$C on the ropes until the refs started throwing the game. He always gets the best out of his players. If Kevin Jones had stayed for his senior year, VT would have won the national title.

Now if only he could do something about that thing on his face.

[DBroncos4life]

In two years from now you will see a former Raiders HC on that list, as is him and his recruiting class should get some love for the great job they have done at NU.

[DBroncos4life]

As far as that goes I can live with that list. Mack Brown is a better coach then people let on.

[SoCalBronco]

In two years from now you will see a former Raiders HC on that list, as is him and his recruiting class should get some love for the great job they have done at NU.

I knew it was only a matter of time before you :homer: ed in, DB. Callahan has recruited really well. I gotta see if it pays off first before giving him props.

[DBroncos4life]

I knew it was only a matter of time before you :homer: ed in, DB. Callahan has recruited really well. I gotta see if it pays off first before giving him props.



Hey I didn't say he should be on there now :) Soon I hope. Best thing about this year is taking that WR coach from CU. Got to love that!!!

[DBroncos4life]

I could see 8 wins this year for NU but that would still be a big step as far as the recruiting class goes yeah they need to come together on the field and that isn't always a lock. I do have to say NU fans have to ride out the hard times and welcome in the new system. If all goes well I hope to see more and more NU players making an impact in the NFL...ala NFL U. My only hope as they don't act like players from the U. :laugh:

[SoCalBronco]

I could see 8 wins this year for NU but that would still be a big step as far as the recruiting class goes yeah they need to come together on the field and that isn't always a lock. I do have to say NU fans have to ride out the hard times and welcome in the new system. If all goes well I hope to see more and more NU players making an impact in the NFL...ala NFL U. My only hope as they don't act like players from the U. :laugh:

Oh DB, ordinarily id talk smack, but this works much better.

http://66.49.247.155/BB/showthread.php?t=25858&page=1
See Posts No. 18 and 19 for my response to you.

NFL http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/17/17437/pages/592961/neonu.gif

[DBroncos4life]

Oh DB, ordinarily id talk smack, but this works much better.

http://66.49.247.155/BB/showthread.php?t=25858&page=1
See Posts No. 18 and 19 for my response to you.

NFL http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/Groups/17/17437/pages/592961/neonu.gif



Well it might be NFL U right now but its working to be Cell block U real fast. Nnyah! Can't say that Miami hasn't beat NU because they have but sometime the U will have to buck up and come to Nebraska to play a game. That would be fun. Anyways I think that because NU is running a NFL style O we will see more players from there at the skill positions and that would be pretty cool.

[SoCalBronco]

Well it might be NFL U right now but its working to be Cell block U real fast. Nnyah! Can't say that Miami hasn't beat NU because they have but sometime the U will have to buck up and come to Nebraska to play a game. That would be fun. Anyways I think that because NU is running a NFL style O we will see more players from there at the skill positions and that would be pretty cool.

Yeah i think because they are playing a more modern brand of ball they will have more skill position guys that go on to the league. I actually very much enjoy watching WCO teams play so ill try and watch a little BugEater ball this year if its on. Mainly to see if youve been homering all these guys that you want us to draft or whether their actually legitimate. :) I actually dont hate you guys as much as I used to; but that was partly because Dr. Tom was injecting every guy with more stuff than they put in the East German women in the Olympics to compensate for how the Orange Bowls in Jan 1992 (Miami, 22-0) and Jan 1993 (Florida State, 27-14) exposed them as a team that got run off the field when facing world class team speed.

[DBroncos4life]

Yeah i think because they are playing a more modern brand of ball they will have more skill position guys that go on to the league. I actually very much enjoy watching WCO teams play so ill try and watch a little BugEater ball this year if its on. Mainly to see if youve been homering all these guys that you want us to draft or whether their actually legitimate. :) I actually dont hate you guys as much as I used to; but that was partly because Dr. Tom was injecting every guy with more stuff than they put in the East German women in the Olympics to compensate for how the Orange Bowls in Jan 1992 (Miami, 22-0) and Jan 1993 (Florida State, 27-14) exposed them as a team that got run off the field when facing world class team speed.


Any game against Florida State was fixed. I even heard some State fans admit that Edgar not only didn't cross the goal-line he didn't even have the football. I can't STAND FSU and all the crap they got away with playing us. I don't want to sound like a cry baby but man some of those games where just sick.

[SoCalBronco]

Any game against Florida State was fixed. I even heard some State fans admit that Edgar not only didn't cross the goal-line he didn't even have the football. I can't STAND FSU and all the crap they got away with playing us. I don't want to sound like a cry baby but man some of those games where just sick.

I was actually pretty surprised you guys hung with them in the Jan 94 game where they won by 2 points for the National Title. That was their best team ever with Ward at QB and Vanover and McCorvey at WR. Dont worry you dont have to convince me about "corruption and Florida State", im well versed in their long list of filthyness and fraudulence that "St. Bob" and his band of thugs have engaged in over the years.

[Crushaholic]

Snyder probably would have made this column if it was a few years ago. I think writers have forgotten him since the team has fallen on hard times the last couple years. He is a pretty good coach but i dont think i would put him in the Top 10 though, thats a little high.

Try "year"...singular. We were the Big 12 Champs of the 2003 season, INCLUDING a pasting of Oklahoma in the Big 12 Title Game. Last year was crap, but it was only the 2nd non-winning season in Snyder's 15 years. The other one was his first season, a 1 win season. Snyder is a miracle worker for being able to get semi-quality recruits to Nowhereville, KS and teaching them to be quality athletes.

[SoCalBronco]

Try "year"...singular. We were the Big 12 Champs of the 2003 season, INCLUDING a pasting of Oklahoma in the Big 12 Title Game. Last year was crap, but it was only the 2nd non-winning season in Snyder's 15 years. The other one was his first season, a 1 win season. Snyder is a miracle worker for being able to get semi-quality recruits to Nowhereville, KS and teaching them to be quality athletes.

My bad. Yeah i remember now, the year before you guys went to the Fiesta Bowl after beating OU (ofcourse you had to wait till 2003 to beat them, you couldnt do it in 2000 when I needed you guys to come through). Snyder is a good coach, good job of JUCO recruiting. Too many creampuffs though. I still dont think he is Top 10, but he is Top 20.

[DBroncos4life]

SoCal heres my short list of players to watch Daniel Bullocks he is said to be the better of the two brothers and I might add that Josh has just WOWED the Saints coaching staff and he is going to be a starter from day one. Zac Taylor..Ok size at 6'2" 210 but from what I hear he has a great arm and can throw very good deep ball. He is a junior now but with the QB's NU has a good year may push him out early. Le Kevin Smith if he has a good year may find himself sometime in the second round. Matt Herian if healthy he is very very good. Most thought he would come out this year and be the second TE drafted maybe even the first. 6'5" 240 and pretty good speed. He may end up missing this year though and that will just kill much hope for a future in the NFL. Other then that thats all I got. My bro told me that Greens brother moved to DB instead of RB which is a shocker to me but Lucky should be the real deal and Ross can ball for a short dude. If you get a chance look out for those guys. I want to work hard this year and find a way of making a tape of all top prospect and take a much more hands on approach to the draft. I like doing things like that. If you have time maybe we can work together on it, if you like.

[Rocket 7]

Where's Joe Pa?............... Wait this isn't an all-time list.

[SoCalBronco]

SoCal heres my short list of players to watch Daniel Bullocks he is said to be the better of the two brothers and I might add that Josh has just WOWED the Saints coaching staff and he is going to be a starter from day one.

We'll see. The other Bullocks had what 10 picks in 03, if he is better than that than he is a real baller.

Zac Taylor..Ok size at 6'2" 210 but from what I hear he has a great arm and can throw very good deep ball. He is a junior now but with the QB's NU has a good year may push him out early.

20-27 in spring game is impressive. I will try and watch this kid.

Le Kevin Smith if he has a good year may find himself sometime in the second round. Matt Herian if healthy he is very very good. Most thought he would come out this year and be the second TE drafted maybe even the first. 6'5" 240 and pretty good speed. He may end up missing this year though and that will just kill much hope for a future in the NFL.

Ive heard about him before but not in a detailed way. He wont be the first TE though, thats Marcedes Lewis and Greg Olsen from the U if he has a great year may come out early and he is the next great Miami TE. If we didnt resign Putz i really hope we could get Olsen but i still dont want him to come out this year, still needs work on his game but he is for real. Ill try and watch Herian though.

Other then that thats all I got. My bro told me that Greens brother moved to DB instead of RB which is a shocker to me but Lucky should be the real deal and Ross can ball for a short dude. If you get a chance look out for those guys. I want to work hard this year and find a way of making a tape of all top prospect and take a much more hands on approach to the draft. I like doing things like that. If you have time maybe we can work together on it, if you like.

That would be cool DB. I want to see if these Bug Eaters are legit. I think Miami will have 8-11 prospects picked in the first four rounds this year, i like the idea of making a highlight film for them as well, we can work on both teams.

[DBroncos4life]

That would be cool DB. I want to see if these Bug Eaters are legit. I think Miami will have 8-11 prospects picked in the first four rounds this year, i like the idea of making a highlight film for them as well, we can work on both teams.


That would be cool. Im not sure where to start on this project but it would be cool if others would like to help out as well with fans all over the country we could get a pretty good look at up and coming players if we can make this work.

Anyways like I said though many thought Matt was going to be in the draft this year but he was hurt some last year. Going into 04 though he had alot of hype.

Matt Herian
# 11
Tight End - TE

Height: 6-5 Weight: 240

Senior

Previous Affiliations
Pierce


Pierce, Neb.








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Courtesy: NU Sports Information
Release: 08/03/2004
2004 Preseason First-Team All-American (Street & Smith's)
2004 Preseason Second-Team All-American (Athlon Sports, Lindy's, Sporting News)
2004 Lombardi Award Watch List
2004 Preseason No. 2 TE in Nation (Lindy's, Sporting News)
2004 Preseason First-Team All-Big 12 (Athlon Sports, Lindy's, Blue Ribbon, Street & Smith's, The Sporting News)
2004 Preseason No. 1 TE in Big 12 (Sporting News)
2003 First-Team All-Big 12 (Big 12 Coaches, DMN)
2003 John Mackey Award Semifinalist
2003 Second-Team All-Big 12 (Associated Press)
2002 First-Team Freshman All-Big 12 (Sporting News)
NU Freshman Record for Season Receiving Yards (301, 2002)

2004 Outlook
Tight end Matt Herian has established himself as one of the nation's top tight ends entering his junior season. In his first two years at Nebraska, Herian has been one of the nation's top big-play threats at the tight end position. He figures to play an even more prominent role in the Husker offense this fall, as Coach Bill Callahan brings the West Coast Offense to the Nebraska program.

Herian has a unique combination of size (6-5, 240) and speed that makes him a difficult matchup for opposing defenses. He has utilized those mismatches to his advantage the past two seasons, averaging better than 27 yards on his 29 career receptions, including seven touchdown receptions.

Last season, the Pierce, Neb., native tied for the team lead in receptions with 22 catches and led Nebraska with 484 receiving yards. His 22 receptions were the most by a Husker tight end since Johnny Mitchell had a position-record 31 catches in 1991. Herians' 484 receiving yards were just 76 yards from the tight end position record of 560 yards set by Junior Miller in 1978. Herian's 22.0 yards per reception also led the team and gained him recognition on both the conference and national levels.

Herian was the only sophomore among eight semifinalists for the 2003 John Mackey Award, given annually to the nation’s top tight end. His standout play also earned him honors on the conference level, as Herian was a first-team All-Big 12 selection by the league's coaches and the Dallas Morning News and was a second-team all-league pick according to the Associated Press.

Through 25 games in his Nebraska career, Herian has caught 12 passes of 28 yards or longer, and averages a remarkable 27.1 yards on his 29 career catches. Herian needs 46 receptions to qualify for the NCAA record for average yards per reception by a tight end. The current record is 19.2 yards per catch by BYU's Clay Brown (1978 to 1980).

Herian first displayed his remarkable knack for big plays during a standout true freshman season in 2002. He caught a 33-yard touchdown pass against Utah State on his first career reception, and went on to set a Husker freshman receiving yardage record with 301 yards on seven catches for an unbelievable 43.0 yards per catch.

2003 (Sophomore)
Herian started all 13 games at tight end and caught 22 passes, tying fellow sophomore Ross Pilkington for the team lead. Herian's 22 catches went for a team-high 484 yards, an impressive average of 22.0 yards per reception. Seven of Herian's 22 receptions covered 30 yards or more. Herian also led the team in touchdown catches with three, including a 21-yarder against Troy State, a 48-yarder against Texas and a 58-yard catch in the regular-season finale at Colorado. Against Troy State, Herian hauled in three passes for 110 yards, including a Nebraska season-long 77-yard catch from Jammal Lord. The yardage total was the most by a Nebraska tight end in four seasons and the first 100-yard outing by any Husker in 20 games. The Troy State game was one of three contests in which Herian had three or more catches, including a season-high four receptions against Utah State.

2003 Game-by-Game:
Oklahoma State–Herian opened the season with three catches for 42 yards, including a 33-yard pass from Lord.

Utah State–Herian had a career-high four catches against the Aggies for 62 yards, including a 39-yard reception on the first drive of the third quarter. Herian’s effort helped NU to a 31-7 victory.

Penn State–Herian had one catch for 12 yards, as NU attempted just six passes.

Southern Miss–Herian caught one pass for 20 yards in NU’s 38-14 win.

Troy State–NU passed for a season-high 160 yards, including 110 yards on three Herian receptions. He caught a 77-yard pass in the third quarter to set up a touchdown that gave NU a 17-0 lead. He added a 21-yard touchdown catch from Joe Dailey in the fourth quarter. Herian’s yards were a career best and the most by a Nebraska tight end since 1999.

Missouri–Herian caught two passes for 31 yards, including a 21-yard reception.

Texas A&M–Herian was held without a catch, ending a streak of nine straight games with at least one reception.

Iowa State–Herian had one reception for 16 yards, helping set up a second-quarter touchdown that pushed NU’s lead to 28-0.

Texas–Herian was Nebraska’s top offensive threat with two catches for 90 yards, including a 48-yard fourth-quarter touchdown grab.

Kansas–Herian had a 16-yard reception in the first quarter of NU’s 24-3 victory.

Kansas State–Herian had two receptions for 21 yards against Kansas State.

Colorado–Herian scored his third touchdown of the year on a 58-yard catch from Lord to give NU a 7-0 first-quarter lead, and finished with 64 yards on two catches.

Michigan State–Herian went without a catch for just the second time in 2003.

2002 (Freshman)
Herian had seven catches for 301 yards in 2002 to tie fellow freshman Ross Pilkington for the second-most receiving yards on the team. The pair also shared the Nebraska freshman record for receiving yards. Herian was one of five true freshmen to see action for the Huskers, including four offensive skill-position players.

Herian did not play in the season opener, leaving open the possibility of a redshirt. However, he saw his first action against Troy State, then showed why Husker coaches were eager to get him on the field a week later. Herian made his first career reception vs. Utah State a memorable one, hauling in a 33-yard touchdown pass from Lord in the second quarter.

Herian was quiet for the next four games before a 44-yard catch set up a touchdown at Oklahoma State. Against Texas, he had a 60-yard touchdown early in the fourth quarter to pull NU to within 20-17. He had a 28-yard reception at Kansas State, then closed the regular season with two catches for 95 yards against Colorado, including an 80-yard scoring catch. The 80-yard grab tied the second-longest reception ever by a Husker tight end.

He capped his freshman season with a 41-yard touchdown catch against Ole Miss in the Independence Bowl.

Before Nebraska (Pierce HS)
A member of the Omaha World-Herald’s Super Six in 2001, Herian was a three-year starter at tight end for Coach Mark Brahmer at Pierce High School. Herian was ranked No. 32 on SuperPrep’s Midlands Team, was named to PrepStar’s Midlands Region Team and ranked 32nd nationally among tight ends by Rivals.com. Herian caught 38 passes for 786 yards and 10 touchdowns as a senior. He added 76 tackles and three interceptions as a linebacker.

He was a three-time Class C-1 all-state selection by both the World-Herald and Lincoln Journal Star. Herian finished with 24 career touchdown catches and 2,386 receiving yards to help the Bluejays to the Class C-1 state playoffs all four years.

Herian averaged 15 points and nine rebounds per game in basketball as a senior. He twice earned all-state honors from the Omaha World-Herald. He also excelled in track and field, finishing second in the shot put and third in the 100 meters in the Class B state meet as a senior. Herian attended Nebraska football camp and turned down scholarship offers from Iowa and Iowa State.

Personal
Matt is the son of James and Diane Herian. He was born on Oct. 7, 1983, in Norfolk, Neb. Herian is majoring in business administration.

Herian's Career Statistics

Year
G/S
No.
Yds.
Y/R
Y/G
Long
TDs

2002
12/0
7
301
43.0
25.1
80 vs. Colorado
4

2003
13/13
22
484
22.0
37.2
77 vs. Troy State
3

Totals
25/13
29
785
27.1
31.4
80 vs. Colorado
7

[SoCalBronco]

very solid DB. That YPC is off the charts.

[Saulbadguy]

My bad. Yeah i remember now, the year before you guys went to the Fiesta Bowl after beating OU (ofcourse you had to wait till 2003 to beat them, you couldnt do it in 2000 when I needed you guys to come through). Snyder is a good coach, good job of JUCO recruiting. Too many creampuffs though. I still dont think he is Top 10, but he is Top 20.
Fair enough. As for the creampuffs remarks..hey, we HAVE to play Nebraska every year! :pimp:

[Saulbadguy]

I still don't agree with Mack Brown. What has he accomplished at Texas that Bill Snyder hasn't done at KSU?

1. No Big XII Championships
2. 1 BCS bowl appearance/win
3. 2 South Division titles

Head to Head...Mack is 2-2 vs Snyder. 2002/2003 they were 2 close games, both decided by 4 points or less. 1998/1999...well, not so close (including KSU's total domination of Major Applewhite and Ricky Williams). As for his recruiting..yeah, he gets recruits. But its TEXAS. Huge athletic budget, traditional powerhouse. Not hard to recruit.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Bingo! You're right. Purdue is a major threat for the Big Ten title this season. They return all 11 of their starters on defense and they don't have to play Michigan and Ohio State this season!

Good catch on Tiller. Purdue returns 9 starters on offense too. Their QB did fine when Orton was hurt last year.

[mattleecrew]

How about a coach from another division, a DIII coach like Larry Kehres of Mount Union. Hes been coaching 19 years there, .914 winning percentage,
7 national champions -93, 96, 97, 98, 00, 01, 02 and the longest winning streak in college football history - 55 games.

Ive seen his teams maul opponents. I went to Rowan Univ in NJ and anyone that knows DIII football we were the Buffalo Bills of DIII in the 90's. We would make it to the final rounds and always fall apart. Always had a top ranked defense, decent offense and then get to the championship against Mount Union or Wisconsin-Lacrosse and get steamrolled.

[SoDak Bronco]

Kirk Ferentz has to be the top or 2nd behind Pete Carroll IMO. Given the talent that Iowa gets compared to the rest of the top coaches in the country he has lead them to 3 years of 10+ victories. Last year Iowa lost its top 4 running backs to some type of major injury. And this is for a team built on run first, pass second. The starting RB the last part of the season was a white-guy FB that hadn't been HB since high-school. I don't think Carroll, Stoops, Tressel, MEyer, or anyone on the list could do sooo much with sooo little. This year Iowa had a top 5 recruiting class for the first time ever. I will be willing to bet if Ferentz sticks around, he will have that NC in the next 3-4 years.

soDak

[Broncoman13]

If you want to talk about young and brilliant coaches you need to take guys like Bowden out of the mix and place his "down the road" rival in his place. While URBAN MYER hasn't been a HC that long, he already owns two NCOTY awards and has only improved each year as a HC. 4 Years of success doesn't put him in the same group as Stoops, Brown, or Tressell... or does it? IMO he is a top 5 coach and will likely make Florida worth watching again. It will be quite interesting to see Florida come alive with Urb as the leader!!! IMO, he is certainly top 10 right now and likely breaks top 5 within a few short years!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

DB - You have already opened yourself up as a target by being a Bugeater homer and now you use a urinal cake for an av? How much abuse do you need? :)

[Phantom]

Bingo! You're right. Purdue is a major threat for the Big Ten title this season. They return all 11 of their starters on defense and they don't have to play Michigan and Ohio State this season!

Big 10 needs a conference championship game.
Who wins the title if Purdue and Mich or Ohio St. are tied at the top?

Play the game :crazy: quit letting the sports writers decide.

[Nuggets4]

In a few years, you can add Joe Glenn, the next coach of the Colorado Golden Buffaloes to the list. :)

[DBroncos4life]

DB - You have already opened yourself up as a target by being a Bugeater homer and now you use a urinal cake for an av? How much abuse do you need? :)



I thought it would be funny :D

[Rock Chalk]

Its a disgrace to see Brown on that list. Stoops is overrated.
I didnt even bother to read the rest.

I dont even watch college football but I know that Brown and Stoops both have had yearly success in the NCAA, more so than most other coaches and absolutely deserve to be in the top 10. Like Pat said, Stoops has had tremendous success lately and while Texas cant beat OU ever, that team is yearly a tough team to beat.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I thought it would be funny :D


Guess you must be one of those guys who enjoys golden showers :)

[DBroncos4life]

Guess you must be one of those guys who enjoys golden showers :)



Not really I just have always thought they where funny. My friend worked for the state one summer and he had to clean the rest stop before we could go out and start drinking. I went with him and they had a crap load of them there. So I took one and used it in my car as an air freshiner. (I didn't pee on it) Well the damn thing melted everywhere. My car smelled like a urinal cake for about a year. It turns out that wasn't a good idea after all. :dummy:

[SoCalBronco]

Well Pete Carroll is really going to show his mettle this year. He keeps losing guys, now he just lost starting guard and former Colorado player of the year and national top recruit Jeff Byers. That's now one starting corner, one starting DT and a starting guard gone.

[Broncoman13]

I can't believe Urb Meyer isn't getting any love from you guys... especially those of you in the Mountains! EVERYBODY in college football has respect for Urb... not only b/c he is a great coach, but b/c he is the future. At 40 years old he is one of the youngest of the big time programs. Mark my words, 20 years from now he'll be regarded as one of the best of ALL TIME!

[Ballhawk]

John Cooper makes my top 10 all-time list though.

SSJ

Great recruiter, very average game coach.

[SoCalBronco]

I can't believe Urb Meyer isn't getting any love from you guys... especially those of you in the Mountains! EVERYBODY in college football has respect for Urb... not only b/c he is a great coach, but b/c he is the future. At 40 years old he is one of the youngest of the big time programs. Mark my words, 20 years from now he'll be regarded as one of the best of ALL TIME!

I think he will struggle against real opponents. Gimmickry wont be able to withstand the tough SEC week to week.

[Broncoman13]

I smell a bet coming on... That is the exact same thing they said about Spurrier back when he moved from Duke. Lots of folks saying his wide open attack couldn't work against the dominant DL's in the SEC... his QB's wouldn't have time to throw etc,etc. Time will tell, but right now I'll go on record and say he'll be one of the more successful HC's in all of college football and that will start this year as he inherits one of college footballs better QB's.

[SoCalBronco]

I smell a bet coming on... That is the exact same thing they said about Spurrier back when he moved from Duke. Lots of folks saying his wide open attack couldn't work against the dominant DL's in the SEC... his QB's wouldn't have time to throw etc,etc. Time will tell, but right now I'll go on record and say he'll be one of the more successful HC's in all of college football and that will start this year as he inherits one of college footballs better QB's.

Spurrier's offense is no gimmick. Its very sound. He does a great job of gameplanning and his deep option routes are very effective. Alot of people think Spurrier is a 4 and 5 WR offense guy but that isnt true. Most of the time he is in the I formation and runs draw fakes coupled with deep option routes. He is very innovative and truly great. He didnt quite have the support system in Washington to succeed though.

Urban Meyer will probably do well in the first two years because Ron Zook left him alot of young talent. He left him Chad Jackson and Andre Caldwell at WR and Chris Leak at QB. He left him with some good safeties and 2 really good LBs. But id be surprised if Urban consistently wins 9 or 10 games.

[Broncoman13]

Consider this... with inferior talent at Bowling Green and Utah his has a career 11-1 record vs. BCS teams as a HC.

He learned his trade from the likes of Sonny Lubbick and Lou Holtz.

Most importantly he is actively involved in the kids lives. There isn't a football player that he has coached that won't still call him for advice... not in terms of football, but life questions in general. You don't run a camp like that and not get both recruits and production.

He'll be great. I think you're afraid to admit it b/c of your ties. And, yes, he was left with a lot of great talent from Zook. But you have to consider that while at Bowling Green and Utah he didn't always have his pick of the litter and was still able to turn those guys into very productive players. Now he'll have better athletes that are more prepared.

[Broncoman13]

Spurrier's offense is no gimmick. Its very sound. He does a great job of gameplanning and his deep option routes are very effective. Alot of people think Spurrier is a 4 and 5 WR offense guy but that isnt true. Most of the time he is in the I formation and runs draw fakes coupled with deep option routes. He is very innovative and truly great. He didnt quite have the support system in Washington to succeed though.

Urban Meyer will probably do well in the first two years because Ron Zook left him alot of young talent. He left him Chad Jackson and Andre Caldwell at WR and Chris Leak at QB. He left him with some good safeties and 2 really good LBs. But id be surprised if Urban consistently wins 9 or 10 games.


To piggyback on that last post... the success he has the next couple of years at Florida will only help him gain momentum. This will allow him to continue to bring in big name recruits with the skills that will allow him to retain one of the most competitive programs in the country. Think about it, the next couple years will likely result in top 10 finishes...atleast. Recruits will see that, they will see the national spotlight being shined on UF, they will see that is their ticket to the NFL... Urb is walking into a great situation and you of all people have to realize that SoCal.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Well Pete Carroll is really going to show his mettle this year. He keeps losing guys, now he just lost starting guard and former Colorado player of the year and national top recruit Jeff Byers. That's now one starting corner, one starting DT and a starting guard gone.

What happened to Byers. He was a great player here. Saw him several times. A freakin monster for a high school team.

[SoCalBronco]

What happened to Byers. He was a great player here. Saw him several times. A freakin monster for a high school team.

His surgically repaired hip didnt "repair" properly apparently so he is out for the season.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

His surgically repaired hip didnt "repair" properly apparently so he is out for the season.

too bad - he was a class act too

[FADERPROOF]

Try "year"...singular. We were the Big 12 Champs of the 2003 season, INCLUDING a pasting of Oklahoma in the Big 12 Title Game. Last year was crap, but it was only the 2nd non-winning season in Snyder's 15 years. The other one was his first season, a 1 win season. Snyder is a miracle worker for being able to get semi-quality recruits to Nowhereville, KS and teaching them to be quality athletes.

How'd that bowl game turn out, Big 12 champs?

[FADERPROOF]

Its a disgrace to see Brown on that list. Stoops is overrated. Tedford and Petrino belong in the Top 5. Spurrier is a great coach and is worthy although this year he will struggle. Still, he is deserving. Pat Hill is a very good coach not quite Top 10 though. The list is pretty solid. Beamer is an excellent coach and his entire staff is top notch especially Bud Foster. Hawkins is overrated. I think more credit belongs to their offensive coordinator, Chris Petersen and former HC Dirk Koetter. Glad to see Ferentz getting recognition. I personally think June Jones should be on that list. He is almost always outmanned but the way he has adjusted the pass protection scheme that doomed the traditional Run and Shoot and incorporated the shotgun and many more screens really has helped Hawaii become one of the most feared passing offenses. I think Hal Mumme is deserving of very honorable mention and i think this year back in Division 1-A he will once again make headlines with his Air Raid Offense that he popularized at Valdosta State and Kentucky. Cant wait to see Mumme go up against Jones this year! Bobby Bowden is nothing more than a figurehead and his mention on this list is really just a testament to his past and his overall record. He is almost not involved at all in the football aspect of the program, he is just a figurehead now and sports one of the worst offensive coaching staffs in the country. His offense has been ruined by nepotism and incompetence. But he does have a good defensive staff, most notably with LB coach Kevin Steele (former Baylor coach) and DC Mickey Andrews.

Fulmer is a good solid coach as is Tressel, although i dont care for the character aspects of either of them. They are both very solid football men, no doubt. With very good staffs as well. Tressel has had a nice set of defensive coaches to go through his program to help him out in Mark Dantonio and Mark Snyder and Fulmer's coordinators, Randy Sanders and John Chavis are very good.

Pete Carroll has some great personal assets such as being a very fine defensive mind (Shanahan tried to hire him in 1995) with a great, outgoing personality and a hard worker. He has done well in recruiting and as a program head but i think in terms of pure coaching ability he is not at the level of a Tedford or a Petrino or Spurrier. He does deserve his ranking though because of how he turned the program around (much credit given to Norm Chow as well and former DL coach Ed Orgeron who was their point man in recruiting).

Other coaches, who deserve mention as being part of the cream of the crop of Division 1-A: Jim Grobe of Wake Forest, Tom O'Brien of Boston College, Mike Leach of Texas Tech (another Mumme disciple), Paul Johnson of Navy (a great, great coach at Div-1AA who is only now getting Div-1 looks), Chris Scelfo of Tulane (although he needs to win a little more), Ralph Friedgen of Maryland and Mike Price of UTEP.

I also think Coach Dick Tomey will begin to rebuild San Jose State this year and show Arizona how wrong they were to let go of him a few years ago.

Why is a Mack Brown a disgrace to put in the top 10? He loses one game a year, true it's the biggest damn game for UT, but he every year he has them at 10 wins.His recruiting is top notch as well, Texas has had a top 5 class just about every year in the past 5 years, plus he jsut got an extension so UT must think he's doing a pretty good job although he can't beat OU.

My problem with Petrino is his constant whoring out for the next job, makes me iffy to put a coach in the top 10 when you don't know what school he'll be at the next year.

I had a tough time leaving Tedford off the list, It was between him, Bowden, and Richt as the final 2 coaches on the list, he was the odd man out.

Ohio State and their defensive coordinators are a big reason for success, and it was Tressel that personally appointed them. I have faith that the D won't miss a beat even though Snyder is now HC of Marshall, Tressl went down to YSU to pick up his former DC.

As for Fulmer, he was also a bubble guy(no pun) on the list for me. Tenn has had high expectation since the NC in 1998(****ers stole it from OSU), and hasn't lived up to it, yet last year they weren't expected to do as much and they go and win the damn SEC east. As for Sanders, I think he's a good coach but a lot of Vols fans do not like his conservative type playcalling and they'll be really pissed if he doesn't open it up more for Erik Ainge this year. UT also had Cutcliffe as their OC before he went to HC at Ole Miss.

June Jones, the fridge, Mafia Amato, Johnson, among a slew of other were thought of but the lsit was only top 10, yet a lot of other coaches are deserving.

[FADERPROOF]

If you want to talk about young and brilliant coaches you need to take guys like Bowden out of the mix and place his "down the road" rival in his place. While URBAN MYER hasn't been a HC that long, he already owns two NCOTY awards and has only improved each year as a HC. 4 Years of success doesn't put him in the same group as Stoops, Brown, or Tressell... or does it? IMO he is a top 5 coach and will likely make Florida worth watching again. It will be quite interesting to see Florida come alive with Urb as the leader!!! IMO, he is certainly top 10 right now and likely breaks top 5 within a few short years!

Urban Meyer deserves to be in the top 10 because Florida is the only team with a win on July 1st!

http://www.gatorzone.com/sched.php?sport=footb

2005 Schedule

DATE OPPONENT SEC SITE TIME GVO* TV RADIO RESULT
Sat Apr 9 Spring Orange and Blue Game Gainesville, FL 1:00PM(ET) W(34-28)
Sat Sep 3 Wyoming Gainesville, FL 6:00PM(ET) (0-0)
Sat Sep 10 Louisiana Tech Gainesville, FL 6:00PM(ET) (0-0)
Sat Sep 17 Tennessee Gainesville, FL 8:00PM(ET) CBS (0-0)
Sat Sep 24 at Kentucky Lexington, KY TBA (0-0)
Sat Oct 1 at Alabama Tuscaloosa, AL TBA (0-0)
Sat Oct 8 Mississippi State (HC) Gainesville, FL TBA (0-0)
Sat Oct 15 at LSU Baton Rouge, LA TBA (0-0)
Sat Oct 29 vs Georgia Jacksonville, FL TBA (0-0)
Sat Nov 5 Vanderbilt Gainesville, FL TBA (0-0)
Sat Nov 12 at South Carolina Columbia, SC TBA (0-0)
Sat Nov 26 Florida State Gainesville, FL 3:30PM(ET) CBS (0-0)

[Florida_Bronco]

I was actually pretty surprised you guys hung with them in the Jan 94 game where they won by 2 points for the National Title. That was their best team ever with Ward at QB and Vanover and McCorvey at WR. Dont worry you dont have to convince me about "corruption and Florida State", im well versed in their long list of filthyness and fraudulence that "St. Bob" and his band of thugs have engaged in over the years.

I think we did better than just "hang with them." In that game we were clearly outplaying them, but a few bad calls like a punt return for a touchdown that was called back for a penalty that never happened (maybe we should have had the refs from the 03 KC game) and a touchdown by FSU that they didn't, just to name a few, make sunk us. Even then we would have won had Byron Bennett made his field goal.

If you watch that game though, you'll see we out-played them. I honestly believe we had the best college football team for 3 years in a row.

[FADERPROOF]

Big 10 needs a conference championship game.
Who wins the title if Purdue and Mich or Ohio St. are tied at the top?

Play the game :crazy: quit letting the sports writers decide.

Big 10 can't have a championship game until they add another team, a conference must have 12 teams in order to divide them up in divisions and play a Conference championship.

First tiebreaker is always head to head, which will eliminate either Michigan or OSU from the chance to be co-champions because they play each other every year. Then they'll have a split if both Purdue and Mich/OSU end up with the best conference record, then it goes down to what the BCS decides to do with the Big 10 champs in a bowl(gives it to the higher of ranked BCS team.)

In 2002, both OSU and Iowa went undefeated in the Big 10, Iowa had a loss in OOC which then put the undefeated Buckeyes in the Fiesta Bowl and Iowa got an at larage bid to go get their asses kicked by USC(congrats Iowa.)

Before the BCS, the Big 10 used to send the team with the longest Rose Bowl appearance drought to the Rose Bowl as representatives of the Big 10 champs. So say Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Purdue all are tied for the Big 10 title, OSU went in 1998, Wisconsin in 1999, and Purdue back in 1974(these are just random years).by that account, Purdue would go to the Rose Bowl as Big 10 champs because they've gone the longest out of the 3 without a Rose Bowl appearance.

Pretty ****ed up indeed.

[anthonypacino]

Big 10 can't have a championship game until they add another team, a conference must have 12 teams in order to divide them up in divisions and play a Conference championship.

First tiebreaker is always head to head, which will eliminate either Michigan or OSU from the chance to be co-champions because they play each other every year. Then they'll have a split if both Purdue and Mich/OSU end up with the best conference record, then it goes down to what the BCS decides to do with the Big 10 champs in a bowl(gives it to the higher of ranked BCS team.)

In 2002, both OSU and Iowa went undefeated in the Big 10, Iowa had a loss in OOC which then put the undefeated Buckeyes in the Fiesta Bowl and Iowa got an at larage bid to go get their asses kicked by USC(congrats Iowa.)

Before the BCS, the Big 10 used to send the team with the longest Rose Bowl appearance drought to the Rose Bowl as representatives of the Big 10 champs. So say Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Purdue all are tied for the Big 10 title, OSU went in 1998, Wisconsin in 1999, and Purdue back in 1974(these are just random years).by that account, Purdue would go to the Rose Bowl as Big 10 champs because they've gone the longest out of the 3 without a Rose Bowl appearance.

Pretty ****ed up indeed.Wasn't there a time in the 90's when OSU and Northwestern had the same record but Northwestern got to go to the Rose Bowl becaus eof the drought thing? Notre Dame should be made to join the Big Ten, every confernce should have 12 teams a championship game (first round of bowl games those winning teams get first round byes in the playoffs, the losing teams and a few others based on RPI rankings will begin playoffs, a second round of bowl games then you keep playing until one of the big bowls holds the championship game!)

[FADERPROOF]

Wasn't there a time in the 90's when OSU and Northwestern had the same record but Northwestern got to go to the Rose Bowl becaus eof the drought thing? Notre Dame should be made to join the Big Ten, every confernce should have 12 teams a championship game (first round of bowl games those winning teams get first round byes in the playoffs, the losing teams and a few others based on RPI rankings will begin playoffs, a second round of bowl games then you keep playing until one of the big bowls holds the championship game!)

Yep, Northwestern ****ed us in 1995-96, they hadn't gone since the 1940's so they got to represent. We went to the Citrus bowl and got handed a tough loss by Tennessee, Eddie George's(my fave Buckeye) last game in a OSU jersey ends up in 20-14 loss.

We've offered ND several times to join the Big 10, they've declined. the greedy Catholic boosters have all that revenue moeny flowing in and they don't want to share it with a conference, Notre Dame will never be in a conference.

2 most likely for the Big 10 would be West Virginia or Pitt, proximity and both decent football programs.

[Saulbadguy]

Notre Dame will never be in a conference because they get guaranteed BCS money, even when they don't make a BCS bowl!

**** Notre Dame.

[Saulbadguy]

Big 10 can't have a championship game until they add another team, a conference must have 12 teams in order to divide them up in divisions and play a Conference championship.

First tiebreaker is always head to head, which will eliminate either Michigan or OSU from the chance to be co-champions because they play each other every year. Then they'll have a split if both Purdue and Mich/OSU end up with the best conference record, then it goes down to what the BCS decides to do with the Big 10 champs in a bowl(gives it to the higher of ranked BCS team.)

In 2002, both OSU and Iowa went undefeated in the Big 10, Iowa had a loss in OOC which then put the undefeated Buckeyes in the Fiesta Bowl and Iowa got an at larage bid to go get their asses kicked by USC(congrats Iowa.)

Before the BCS, the Big 10 used to send the team with the longest Rose Bowl appearance drought to the Rose Bowl as representatives of the Big 10 champs. So say Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Purdue all are tied for the Big 10 title, OSU went in 1998, Wisconsin in 1999, and Purdue back in 1974(these are just random years).by that account, Purdue would go to the Rose Bowl as Big 10 champs because they've gone the longest out of the 3 without a Rose Bowl appearance.

Pretty ****ed up indeed.

I did not know that. Interesting. Add another team, and change your name. The Big 10 already sounds stupid when you have 11 teams. :)

[anthonypacino]

Notre Dame will never be in a conference because they get guaranteed BCS money, even when they don't make a BCS bowl!

**** Notre Dame.
Yeah I felt used when I heard that they changed the rules for them this year, I understand that ND is a storied program and all but why does the NCAA do everything to try and keep this school at the top, when it can't support itself? I hate that ND gets all that special treatment!

[FADERPROOF]

I did not know that. Interesting. Add another team, and change your name. The Big 10 already sounds stupid when you have 11 teams. :)

Yep, we add another team and change our name to the Bigger 12.

[anthonypacino]

Yep, Northwestern ****ed us in 1995-96, they hadn't gone since the 1940's so they got to represent. We went to the Citrus bowl and got handed a tough loss by Tennessee, Eddie George's(my fave Buckeye) last game in a OSU jersey ends up in 20-14 loss.

We've offered ND several times to join the Big 10, they've declined. the greedy Catholic boosters have all that revenue moeny flowing in and they don't want to share it with a conference, Notre Dame will never be in a conference.

2 most likely for the Big 10 would be West Virginia or Pitt, proximity and both decent football programs.
I would not mind seeing Pitt, heck why not get Iowa State to drop from the 12 or Cincy to jump up ? I think almost every state in the big 10 has almsot two teams in it except Minnesota, Ohio, Iowa?

[SoCalBronco]

Why is a Mack Brown a disgrace to put in the top 10? He loses one game a year, true it's the biggest damn game for UT, but he every year he has them at 10 wins.His recruiting is top notch as well, Texas has had a top 5 class just about every year in the past 5 years, plus he jsut got an extension so UT must think he's doing a pretty good job although he can't beat OU.

DF, How hard is it to recruit at Texas? They might be the one team (and LSU) that actually throw around more $ and hoes during their recruting visits than you guys. The Texas recruiting visit is legendary. And their facilities are the best. The guy has won 5 recruiting national titles and not a single apperance in a national title game. The one time they play teams with comparable talent they get raped. Its not just oklahoma. They rarely if have ever beaten a team with equal talent or just a little less than them.

My problem with Petrino is his constant whoring out for the next job, makes me iffy to put a coach in the top 10 when you don't know what school he'll be at the next year.

Yeah he is a whore and his fan base is sick of him for that. I read during their bowl week before the boise state game at some fan event when he spent 5 minutes telling the fans he wanted to stay, several fans came up to him after him after his speech and said good luck against boise state coach and we hope you have success in your future job. Even with that stuff i only care about coaching when we are making a poll like this. He has built an awesome program and they are going to be undefeated this year. Best offense in the nation.

I had a tough time leaving Tedford off the list, It was between him, Bowden, and Richt as the final 2 coaches on the list, he was the odd man out.

Bowden doesnt even coach anymore. Tedford belongs on the list and Richt does too.


Ohio State and their defensive coordinators are a big reason for success, and it was Tressel that personally appointed them. I have faith that the D won't miss a beat even though Snyder is now HC of Marshall, Tressl went down to YSU to pick up his former DC.

I agree, the defense wont suffer. The sheer amount of talent if nothing else will make them good but he does a good job selecting coaches.


As for Fulmer, he was also a bubble guy(no pun) on the list for me. Tenn has had high expectation since the NC in 1998(****ers stole it from OSU), and hasn't lived up to it, yet last year they weren't expected to do as much and they go and win the damn SEC east. As for Sanders, I think he's a good coach but a lot of Vols fans do not like his conservative type playcalling and they'll be really pissed if he doesn't open it up more for Erik Ainge this year. UT also had Cutcliffe as their OC before he went to HC at Ole Miss.

Cutcliffe was a great OC for them. UT should be a top 5 team this year. Go Kevin Simon!


June Jones, the fridge, Mafia Amato, Johnson, among a slew of other were thought of but the lsit was only top 10, yet a lot of other coaches are deserving. I ****ing hate Mafia Amato i wish someone would kick him in the head.

[FADERPROOF]

Yeah I felt used when I heard that they changed the rules for them this year, I understand that ND is a storied program and all but why does the NCAA do everything to try and keep this school at the top, when it can't support itself? I hate that ND gets all that special treatment!

It's also a stipulation that if ND has a 10 win season they auotmatically get one of the at large bids to a BCS bowl.

[anthonypacino]

It's also a stipulation that if ND has a 10 win season they auotmatically get one of the at large bids to a BCS bowl.
Yup and they only need six wins to make it to any Bowl game! a 6-5 year is not worthy of a bowl game! They don't play anyone anymore anyway, the only games that are tough are the USC and Purdue games, they have a hard time with the service academey's now. all that crap about it's tradition and they could not keep up the traditinally sechulde if the joined a conference is whack if they joined the big 10 they would get Purdue, Michigan automatically just like OSU gets Penn St. and Michigan every year, USC and Army or Navy are non conference games it would fit.

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Yup and they only need six wins to make it to any Bowl game! a 6-5 year is not worthy of a bowl game! They don't play anyone anymore anyway, the only games that are tough are the USC and Purdue games, they have a hard time with the service academey's now. all that crap about it's tradition and they could not keep up the traditinally sechulde if the joined a conference is whack if they joined the big 10 they would get Purdue, Michigan automatically just like OSU gets Penn St. and Michigan every year, USC and Army or Navy are non conference games it would fit.

Well, ND does play scUM and Michian State every year, so it's like they're already playing a quasi-Big 10 schedule.

I was so glad in the 95-96 home-home series against the Irish when Ohio State whooped their asses so bad, I really loathe those Golden Domers.

As for USC and Purdue as their only tough games, every game is a tough game for ND because they suck so bad now! I teared up in joy when BYU beat them last year, just classic!

Main thing I hate about ND, is every loss gets blamed on their "incredibly tough" schedule by their own fans. No ND fan has ever come out and said that they got beat, you ask them about their 7-4 season and they'll reply with"Look at our schedule man! Any team would go 7-4 with THAT kind of schedule!"

[FADERPROOF]

I would not mind seeing Pitt, heck why not get Iowa State to drop from the 12 or Cincy to jump up ? I think almost every state in the big 10 has almsot two teams in it except Minnesota, Ohio, Iowa?

Michigan - Michigan, MSU
Indiana - Indiana, Purdue
Ohio - Ohio State
Wisconsin - Wisconsin
Minnesota - Minnesota
Pennsylvania - Penn State
Illinois - Illinois, Northwestern
Iowa - Iowa

Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Iowa all have 1 team from the Big 10 conference in them. I wouldn't like Cincy only because they just wouldn't compete and will be a bottom dweller for the conference. As much as I like Mark Dantonio as their HC(former Buckeyes DC), I don't see that Cincy program with anything to gain by jumping to the Big 10. They should stay in Conference USA where they are more in their playing talent range.

ISU would make for an interesting candidate, but I doubt they'd leave the Big 12 and take away the Big 12's conference game just to be in the Big 10. They do play Iowa every year anyway, plus they have the talent to make a run at the weak Big 12 North division.

Pitt would make sense because they are close in proximity and could immediately have a rivalry with in-state Big 10 team Penn State. PSU has been looking for a rival ever sicne they joined the Big 10, but traditionally the rivalries have already been made(Michigan-OSU, Wisconsin-Minnesota), so Pitt-PSU would make for a great game.

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DF, How hard is it to recruit at Texas? They might be the one team (and LSU) that actually throw around more $ and hoes during their recruting visits than you guys. The Texas recruiting visit is legendary. And their facilities are the best. The guy has won 5 recruiting national titles and not a single apperance in a national title game. The one time they play teams with comparable talent they get raped. Its not just oklahoma. They rarely if have ever beaten a team with equal talent or just a little less than them.
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I do understand the Mack Brown criticism, but he still has kept Texas as a top tier school as he's drilled out recruit after recruit. I'm not only looking at record when judging my top 10, I'm looking at the voerall picture of how long he's been there, how ling he'll be there, how he does off the field, how his recruiting classes are etc.

Mack brown stays in my top 10 based on that criteria.

[Arkie]

Houston Nutt is often overlooked. He was I-AA coach of the year in 1995 with Murray State. Then he turned Boise State around from dead last in division I to nationally respected. He led Arkansas to 6 Bowls since '98, which is more than any other SEC West team. Arkansas also has the most SEC home wins during the Nutt era. He turned down a big contract from Nebraska before they gave the job to Callahan.


His biggest strengths are getting the most from his players and fans which seems more important at the college level.

[FADERPROOF]

Houston Nutt is often overlooked. He was I-AA coach of the year in 1995 with Murray State. Then he turned Boise State around from dead last in division I to nationally respected. He led Arkansas to 6 Bowls since '98, which is more than any other SEC West team. Arkansas also has the most SEC home wins during the Nutt era. He turned down a big contract from Nebraska before they gave the job to Callahan.

The one thing I'm glad about is that no one on this thread even brought up the name Tommy Tuberville in this top 10 discussion.

The SEC West thing just made me think about it, but Tubervill shouldn't e anywhere near anyone's top 10 list.

As for Nutt, I'm sure hes up there and has accomplished a lot, bringing in that Arkansas QB next year is a must though for him and his recruiting staff.

[anthonypacino]

Michigan - Michigan, MSU
Indiana - Indiana, Purdue
Ohio - Ohio State
Wisconsin - Wisconsin
Minnesota - Minnesota
Pennsylvania - Penn State
Illinois - Illinois, Northwestern
Iowa - Iowa

Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Iowa all have 1 team from the Big 10 conference in them. I wouldn't like Cincy only because they just wouldn't compete and will be a bottom dweller for the conference. As much as I like Mark Dantonio as their HC(former Buckeyes DC), I don't see that Cincy program with anything to gain by jumping to the Big 10. They should stay in Conference USA where they are more in their playing talent range.

ISU would make for an interesting candidate, but I doubt they'd leave the Big 12 and take away the Big 12's conference game just to be in the Big 10. They do play Iowa every year anyway, plus they have the talent to make a run at the weak Big 12 North division.

Pitt would make sense because they are close in proximity and could immediately have a rivalry with in-state Big 10 team Penn State. PSU has been looking for a rival ever sicne they joined the Big 10, but traditionally the rivalries have already been made(Michigan-OSU, Wisconsin-Minnesota), so Pitt-PSU would make for a great game.
I have heard rumblings from some staff (one of my friends is a faculty member) that CSU would like to try and join the Big 12 in the future if Baylor drops out.

[Nuggets4]

I have heard rumblings from some staff (one of my friends is a faculty member) that CSU would like to try and join the Big 12 in the future if Baylor drops out.

That'd be interesting, but I can't see it happening. First of all, we'd have to send a north team to the south. Second of all, I'm hearing too many rumors that UTerus and Oklahoma want to bring back the old SWC. In that scenario, CU would join the Pac-10. I remember Nebraska was likely to go "independent". Other than that, I can't remember what happened to the Big XII north teams.

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If you want to talk about young and brilliant coaches you need to take guys like Bowden out of the mix and place his "down the road" rival in his place. While URBAN MYER hasn't been a HC that long, he already owns two NCOTY awards and has only improved each year as a HC. 4 Years of success doesn't put him in the same group as Stoops, Brown, or Tressell... or does it? IMO he is a top 5 coach and will likely make Florida worth watching again. It will be quite interesting to see Florida come alive with Urb as the leader!!! IMO, he is certainly top 10 right now and likely breaks top 5 within a few short years!

Thanks BroncoMan13! Took the words right out of my fingers.

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I think he will struggle against real opponents. Gimmickry wont be able to withstand the tough SEC week to week.

He may not have had "real" opponents but he tore up the opponents he had.

[elsid13]

Not top ten but Fisher at AFA needs to get some love. Anytime that you take and keep service school competitive in 1-A football, that good coaching and recruiting. Amazes me that he actuals get AFA into the top 25 year and year out.

Also Al Groh, I hate to say it, out of UVA is building a very good program.

[Broncoman13]

I think he will struggle against real opponents. Gimmickry wont be able to withstand the tough SEC week to week.



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So can I get some love for Urb Meyer now or what???