Poll: Disapproval of Bush at high point

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/27/bush.poll/index.html

(CNN) -- The number of Americans disapproving of President Bush's job performance has risen to the highest level of his presidency, according to the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Monday.

According to the poll, 53 percent of respondents said they disapproved of Bush's performance, compared to 45 percent who approved.

The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The 53 percent figure was the highest disapproval rating recorded in the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll since Bush became president in January 2001.

The approval percentage -- 45 percent -- matches a low point set in late March. The 8-point gap between those who disapproved and approved was the largest recorded during Bush's tenure.

As Bush prepares to address the nation Tuesday to defend his Iraq policy, just 40 percent of those responding to the poll said they approved of his handling of the war; 58 percent said they disapproved.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

State by state Bush approval ratings:

http://surveyusa.com/Bush50StateApproval0605.htm

[DBruleU]

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/27/bush.poll/index.html

(CNN) -- The number of Americans disapproving of President Bush's job performance has risen to the highest level of his presidency, according to the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Monday.

According to the poll, 53 percent of respondents said they disapproved of Bush's performance, compared to 45 percent who approved.

The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The 53 percent figure was the highest disapproval rating recorded in the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll since Bush became president in January 2001.

The approval percentage -- 45 percent -- matches a low point set in late March. The 8-point gap between those who disapproved and approved was the largest recorded during Bush's tenure.

As Bush prepares to address the nation Tuesday to defend his Iraq policy, just 40 percent of those responding to the poll said they approved of his handling of the war; 58 percent said they disapproved.

Yet, he is still our President for the next 3 years. Either deal with it, or stop posting something you have posted countless times.

PS-Just to save your time, I'll post what you were gonna post in response to me.

"Lets see if he can finish his 2nd stolen term. Is that impeachement I smell?"

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Either deal with it, or stop posting something you have posted countless times.

I have a better idea:

If you can't handle uncomfortable reality or inconvenient facts about the chimp, then you might want to skip forums with names like "War, Religion, and Politics."

BTW, the poll is brand new, so how could it have been posted "countless times?"

[ClevelandBronco2]

"…Is that impeachement I smell?"

Nah. It's just an upwind stench from L.A.

[DBruleU]

I have a better idea:

If you can't handle uncomfortable reality or inconvenient facts about the chimp, then you might want to skip forums with names like "War, Religion, and Politics."

BTW, the poll is brand new, so how could it have been posted "countless times?"

Im not referring to this inparticular poll, but ones that are the exact same. You post polls all the time about his approval ratings. Im not denying that they are polls that represent a small fraction of americans. But these polls popped up all the time before elections, and it looked to be like a very close election between Kerry and Bush, and we all know how that turned out. Unfortunately for you. Point is, these polls dont represent all americans, and its the silent majority you never hear from. And its the silent majority that won the last election for Bush.

Again, I do not deny this poll's accuracy for the people that participated in it, I'm just saying, dont get your hopes up for your parties come back in 08, it doesnt represnet everyone.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Point is, these polls dont represent all americans, and its the silent majority you never hear from. And its the silent majority that won the last election for Bush.

You might have a point if the numbers in question came from just one poll taken on one occasion.

Unfortunately for you, they don't.

And its the silent majority that won the last election for Bush.

The "silent majority" of Diebold would be more accurate.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Nah. It's just an upwind stench from L.A.

Funny - I could have sworn it was coming from the Ohio Governor's office and the Ohio GOP.

:D

[Rigs11]

Yet, he is still our President for the next 3 years. Either deal with it, or stop posting something you have posted countless times.

PS-Just to save your time, I'll post what you were gonna post in response to me.

"Lets see if he can finish his 2nd stolen term. Is that impeachement I smell?"

Problem is that there isn't anything positive to post about the moron in the white house. And no we don't have to deal with it, this is a "democracy" after all isn't it? You know that word that Dubya throws around and yet undermines at every turn. If you don't like us tellin it how it is stay away fro the war forum.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Did you check out the state by state breakdown?

Man, I got a whole new appreciation of what Spider's up against. :D

[Meck77]

Ok LA. I felt sorry for you and deleted the thread. I discovered you might actually be human. It was evident to me you were starting to hit the panic button.

[Crushaholic]

State by state Bush approval ratings:

http://surveyusa.com/Bush50StateApproval0605.htm

Most of the changes are within 4% points either way...with one exception.

Rascal, Shack...what the hell is going on in your state? Approval is down 7% and disapproval is up 8%. You better set them Okies straight... Ha!

[Colorado4Life]

It will be tough for the Democrats to win the White House in 2008. The worse mistake they can make is to nominate Hillary Clinton. She will not play well in the Midwest and South for obvious reasons. If she is nominated, I predict the Dems will not only not pick up any of the aforementioned states, but they will either lose Michigan, Minnesota, or Wisconsin, as the last two of those states were surprisingly tight in 2004.

[Montaq]

It will be tough for the Democrats to win the White House in 2008. The worse mistake they can make is to nominate Hillary Clinton. She will not play well in the Midwest and South for obvious reasons. If she is nominated, I predict the Dems will not only not pick up any of the aforementioned states, but they will either lose Michigan, Minnesota, or Wisconsin, as the last two of those states were surprisingly tight in 2004.

I think you're right on the money about why Hillary would lose.

While I think Hillary would make a good president, I do not want her to get the nomination because I want to win. I think Biden is positioning himself to the middle for a run but.... I would much rather have a Governor whose voting record can't be turned against him like a Senator's can.

Richardson vs. Frist would be good for me. :) Maybe Biden as VP.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Point is, these polls dont represent all americans, and its the silent majority you never hear from. And its the silent majority that won the last election for Bush.

The silent majority? OK, if you say so. But it's apparent America has stomached just about all they can from this administration.

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Mood in Mid-America
By Mark Sappenfield | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
GOODLAND, KAN. – Around here, Ivan Parks and his wife are almost synonymous with summertime celebrations. Their Sno-Cones have been the salvation of overworked high-school football teams up in Nebraska and the guilty pleasure of fair-going teenagers in the tiny farm towns of western Kansas - who know the Parkses' electric-blue kiosk by sight.

Yet this Independence Day, along with the unfurled flags and thunderous fireworks, there comes a discordant note for the Parkses amid the brassy marching tunes. The gnarled brim of his green cap pulled low, Ivan worries about $60-a-barrel oil and the end of Social Security as he has known it for his whole life. Glenda wonders if the loss of life in Iraq is worth it.

Here in America's Heartland, the love of country is all but unquestioned, but concern over the nation's course spreads to every corner of the wide-open plains. Some of it is surprisingly candid - invectives against a president and his policies that would make a blue-stater blush. But more often, it is simply a fact to be accepted and overcome - like a poor harvest or a cold winter.

Indeed, on street corners from Rock Springs, Wyo., to Cambridge, Ohio, Middle America remains much as it ever was - straightforward, unfailingly polite, and above all resilient. It is in this resilience that these farmers and teachers and Sno-Cone salesmen put their hope. To them, America is its people and its laws, and these will endure policies, oil prices, and wars.

"That's the American dream," says Ivan. "Things get better."

For now, that remains just a hope for most Americans. Satisfaction with the direction of the country is dropping, according to Gallup polls, but at 42 percent it remains well above historic lows. Troubled but not panicked by the war in Iraq and a fitful economy, Americans have slipped into a lingering sense of unease.

American satisfaction levels are below average, "but it's not as catastrophic as we've seen at other times - like the early '90s and late '70s," says Frank Newport of Gallup.

It is an attitude that stretches to the Civic Center in Rock Springs, Wyo., where supervisor Laurie Barton watches children scurry past the front desk to the pool and basketball court. "I don't feel a lot of hope, but I also don't feel a lot of gloom and doom," she says. "We're at a stage where we have to be very careful."

Colleague Anne-Marie Orester is more blunt: "There are some bad things going on."

Squeezed between the barren crags of the Leucite Hills, Rock Springs is as close as this century comes to the Wild West of old. Beyond the Wal-Marts and McDonald's that crowd alongside Interstate 80 thrive modern-day prospectors and fortune-seekers, come to Rock Springs to ply the Jonah natural gas field north of town.

Ms. Orester eyes them with suspicion. A student and a lifelong resident, she says prostitution and violent crime are on the rise, and there aren't enough police to keep up. President Bush's overeagerness to throw open the door to energy exploration is part of the problem, she adds, and she doesn't stop there. Rattling off references to British MI-5 reports on weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, she begins a diatribe against the Iraq war that would have Michael Moore giving her a Palme d'Or.

To be sure, this is the heart of Bush Country, but these states are not as monolithic as they would appear on an electoral map.

There is a deep concern about whether America is on the right path - and there is a diversity of opinions.

At the Stein House Cafe in Boonville, Mo., waiter Seth Bailey is holding forth. The subject is the war and the economy - the two subjects that Gallup pollster Mr. Newport says most influence public opinion - and the exchange is an echo of others from Rock Springs to Goodland.

Standing behind the mahogany counter, Mr. Bailey insists: "I don't think we should be playing supercop. We should be focusing more on trade and the economy."

Dressed in a crisp red and white sports jersey that shines faintly, Tom Filbert retorts: "During World War II we all came together, and everybody stayed focused. It's only a few years after [the Sept. 11] attacks, and our focus seems to be going away."

Around the counter, there is just as much chatter about the plans for a new Wal-Mart and what that could do to business in downtown Boonville. The consensus is that America can overcome its troubles better than Boonville.

For her part, Orester has faith in the foundations laid by America's Founding Fathers. "We have survived other things in the past, and we will survive this," she says with a flourish fit for parchment and quill. "What makes us a strong nation is not changing: our fundamental freedoms."

Across middle America, however, faith in the future of the nation comes from a variety of sources. It comes from the very nature of the place - the rhythms of a land where storm clouds line up like battleships on the horizon, and the fortunes of many are bound in the hope of a seed and a good season. Difficult days bring hard labor and patience, and these times are no different. So people do what they can, and hope for better.

"I'm not much of a bookworm," says Ron Schumacher of Rawlins, Wyo. "But give me a shovel and a pitchfork and I'll get after it."

Yet Mr. Schumacher also hints at perhaps an even deeper thread in everyday life in the Heartland. Sitting in front of his church, his straw hat filtering the glare of the midday sun, Schumacher says Americans need to "get down on their knees more."

For some, religious faith only adds to the angst about the direction of modern America. "The spiritual level of the country is declining," says Lamar Lapp, who sells flowers at a farmers' market in Cambridge, Ohio, every Friday. Mr. Lapp has gone so far as to banish televisions and radios from his house to keep his six children from the "filth that comes over that stuff."

"I want them to grow up and see the good," he adds. "And there are plenty of other things to do."

As Iraq effort drags on, doubts mount at home
03/30/05
Bush faces decline in approval ratings

For others, though, religious faith is intertwined with their unfailing optimism for the nation. In Bush, they have a president whom they trust and understand. "The president is a man of deep conviction, and the decisions he makes are based on faith," says Tim Robertson, a teacher who has come to Salina, Kan., for a conference. His wife, Sharron, adds: "As a person of faith, I tend to look at life optimistically.... You have to go through the hard times before you build things up."

At the farmers' market in Cambridge, Violet Cummings is hovering over a collection of her homemade jams, trying to build up a better America one person at a time. At the moment, it's a gray-haired customer whom she greets with a broad smile and friendly chatter. Later this year, it will be all of Cambridge as she runs for a seat on the school board.

She's not happy about the way things are going in America right now, but she's already worked out the perfect solution: the people. "If politicians went to farmers' markets and talked to people, they'd realize that the people have good ideas," she says. "They flat out don't listen to the people."

So this fall, Ms. Cummings is going to try to make them listen. After all, she twinkles with the enthusiasm of an 8-year-old, "This country is awesome."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0701/csmimg/p11b.jpg

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0701/p01s04-ussc.html

[SoCalBronco]

I think you're right on the money about why Hillary would lose.

While I think Hillary would make a good president, I do not want her to get the nomination because I want to win. I think Biden is positioning himself to the middle for a run but.... I would much rather have a Governor whose voting record can't be turned against him like a Senator's can.

Richardson vs. Frist would be good for me. :) Maybe Biden as VP.

An excellent selection for the Democrats and a man i would strongly consider voting for as a Republican would be Indiana's Evan Bayh. He is far more moderate than his father and alot of his qualities are appealing to me. I would be very happy to have him as our President even though he is a Democrat.

[Montaq]

It will be tough for the Democrats to win the White House in 2008. The worse mistake they can make is to nominate Hillary Clinton. She will not play well in the Midwest and South for obvious reasons. If she is nominated, I predict the Dems will not only not pick up any of the aforementioned states, but they will either lose Michigan, Minnesota, or Wisconsin, as the last two of those states were surprisingly tight in 2004.


http://www.michaelhodges.com/stuff/funny/2008cc1.swf

[Spider]

http://www.michaelhodges.com/stuff/funny/2008cc1.swf
LOL . that was funny .Except , I think Hillary realy could kick Dubyas ass in a real fight though

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

USA Today Founder Neuharth Calls For U.S. Withdrawal from Iraq, Says Bush 'Lied'

Neuharth Calls For U.S. Withdrawal from Iraq, Says Bush 'Lied'

By E&P Staff

Published: July 01, 2005 10:50 AM ET

NEW YORK There he goes again. USA Today founder Al Neuharth, who caused a stir last year when -- a bit ahead of the curve -- he told E&P that he favored a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, re-iterated his position Friday, with even more force.

“I'm convinced the best way to support our troops in Iraq is to bring them home. Sooner rather than later,” Neuharth, a Bronze Star winner in World War II, declared. He also compared President Bush to President Lyndon B. Johnson, saying that both presidents “lied to us in wartime.”

Neuharth added, in his weekly column Friday in the newspaper he founded: “The crucial difference between Vietnam and Iraq is that there is no Cronkite to call Bush's bluff. Without a strong, trusted, non-political voice, too many of us remain Bush-blinded. Bush tried keeping the wool over our eyes again Tuesday on national TV by repeatedly tying Iraq to 9/11. That charge is as phony as his discredited prewar claim that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.”

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000972429

[Spider]

More and More people are starting to see ......... My 16 year old Nephew is kinda worried .... I told him Billy the internet is full of tough guys that say this Iraqi War is a good thing , they wont serve , they got some kind of excuse , but like I told Billy , you cant be a coward either like the guys on the Internet I call the 101st fighting Keybord squadren .... Billy wouldnt mind going to Afghanistan , like I told him thats where the threat was ....... Iraq is just a personal thing with Bush ......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Billy wouldnt mind going to Afghanistan , like I told him thats where the threat was ....... Iraq is just a personal thing with Bush ......

Afghanistan was/is a mixed bag.

On the one hand, OBL and his gang of fundamentalist asshats (and the Taliban punks who harbored them) were/are there, and you'd be hard pressed to find any American who doesn't want these c*ck smokers bagged and tagged.

On the other hand, before 9/11, the players in BushCo and their Unocal buddies were negotiating with the Taliban to build that pipeline...

And then there's the heroin issue...